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phunyguyhey folks, how do I get rid of the cloud icon in the systray? I have no need for Ubuntu One...00:22
IdleOneuninstall ubuntuone-client and ubuntuone-control-panel possibly00:46
jbichaphunyguy: you can uninstall indicator-sync00:55
phunyguyahh ok, thanks01:00
yownHi, may I please ask a basic wish of ubuntu that might make this release?04:25
yownor some future release?04:25
yownAnyone here though?04:25
bjsnideryown, don't ask to ask, just ask04:38
yownI know, but if there isn't anyone here...04:39
yownI want better support of browser links, including windows browser links04:40
yownI hear most linux users use bookmarks or what not, but addressing this issue shouldn't be too difficult either04:41
yownAnd it won't detract from those who just want to use bookmarks04:41
yownbjsnider: And don't make ask to ask statements, just to go silent when someone does  just ask :p04:42
yownDoes anyone know when this release might come out?04:44
IdleOneCongrats on alienating probably one of the fiew people who could help04:45
IdleOnefew*04:45
IdleOneyown: Ubuntu release numbers are year.month so 13.04 is 2013.April04:46
IdleOnewhat is a "windows browser link" ?04:47
yownthe icon next to a web addres in a browser that can be dragged and dropped to desktops or folders04:48
yownWhat would you call it?04:48
yownIdleOne: You seriously think that was enough to alienate someone? If so, that is scary sensative04:48
yownbeware strong breezes04:49
bjsniderwhat happens on your ubuntu system when you try to open those links?04:51
IdleOneyown: I think that in the Ubuntu community we have a code of conduct and a set of guidelines which in part state that you should always assume good faith on the part of other users. bjsnider was trying to point out that your question was perhaps not very specific and that you should expand.04:51
yownWell links from windows simply don't work, they do the about: thing, I forget exact details04:51
yownIdleOne: Yeah and I didn't do anything in bad faith, please some falsely criticizing me04:52
yown*stop falsely criticizing me04:52
bjsniderwhat about any other link?04:52
yownSome of us duel boot, you know04:52
bjsniderdual04:52
yownthanks04:53
IdleOnein some cases it is a duel :)04:53
bjsnideryes, that's an ironic way of spelling it04:53
yownAlso some links don't work when saved with ubuntu, it tries to save more of the website then the address, which means it doesn't load right04:53
bjsnideris that normally how you go about bookmarking something, dragging the favicon to the desktop?04:54
yownI mean when made from drag and drop shortcuts04:54
yownI have, it depends on my needs04:54
bjsniderIdleOne, can you test that? i'm on gnome-shell and nautilus isn't handling the desktop04:54
yownIts useful for getting the link for to open when I am in windows, or if I wish to save them for someone else to open04:55
yownSo will this version take both cinnamon and gnome 2.x DEs?04:56
bjsnidernot gnome 204:56
bjsniderthat's dead04:57
yownwell I want gnome 2s menus, and I can't find many alternatives04:57
yownso it will take cinnamon?04:57
IdleOnebjsnider: I just click on the star at the right end of the url bar when I need to bookmark a site04:58
IdleOneI don't like having 6000 icons on my desktop04:58
bjsnideryeah, so gnome 3.8 will have a built-in retro mode, i forget what they call it now, but it will have a lot of gnome 2 looking stuff including the menus.04:59
yownWell I just care about the menus, well and being able to disable that annoying unity bar thing if i wish04:59
bjsnidercinnamon is a mint thing, it's up to them04:59
yownI take it 13.4 has gnome 3.8?05:00
bjsniderclassic mode is what they call it. it's extensions that modify the stock gnome-shell to look and behave more like gnome 2.05:01
bjsnider3.6, not 3.805:01
bjsniderbut the extensions also work for 3.6, you just have to manually instlal them05:01
yownSo I can do that now with 12.10 for classic mode?05:04
yownThere is also the issue with bookmarks made with ubuntu that it does not mark or save icon information05:04
yownit presents them in boring doc form, which can be confused with actual text files05:05
yownThere is a way to give them a new icon, its rather a pain though, and something I did reverted it too, but even then, it uses the same for all of em05:05
yownbjsnider:  So I can do that now with 12.10 for classic mode with the menus and stuff?05:06
bjsniderah, hold on a sec05:07
bjsniderwhich de are you running?05:07
bjsnideri'm talking about gnome-shell. the default on ubuntu is unity05:07
yownI am currently running ubuntu 11.4, I want to update though, but I am concerned over lack of DE I would want to use05:08
yownwhich I am running in classic mode05:08
bjsnideri see, so you have the gnome menus and whatnot05:08
yownyes05:08
bjsniderok, hold on a sec05:08
yownand I was wondering if I can get that in 12.1005:08
yownI like the discove ability of it all, that I don't need to know the names of all these programs to do searches for them, I can just look through the menues and see whats there05:09
yownAnd I dislike having lots of menus crammed into one like a windows start menu05:09
yownEspecially as it requires you to be so careful with the mouse as you pull out these menus within menues, and scroll down menu lists05:10
yownone slip and you start all over again05:10
yownActually, I could see it expanding even past the 3 listed in classic, but 3 is still better then 105:12
bjsnideri can't find the exact list of extensions right now, but it is possible to do that05:15
bjsniderthere's probably a blog post about it somewhere05:15
yownCool05:15
yownWell if you can link me, I am terrible at finding things through search engines, especially with my limited understanding of linux05:16
bjsnideralso, the extensions can be tricky because they have to be compatible with your version of gnome-shell05:16
bjsniderif you have a limited understanding of linux it will be very hard to get done05:16
yownWhich means having to redo it ever so often with updates?05:16
yownWell with 13.4, this will be present as a option in default, newbie friendly?05:17
bjsniderit would have to be redone every 6 months05:17
bjsniderno05:17
bjsniderbecause gnome 3.8 won't be there05:17
bjsnider13.1005:17
yownThere is a gnome 3.8, but it isn't in ubuntu, or compatible with it?05:17
yownI mean 13.405:18
bjsniderno, 13.4 will have gnome 3.605:18
bjsniderthere are problems integrating 3.805:18
yownand how long do I have to wait for 13.10?05:18
bjsnideroctober05:18
bjsnider10=october05:18
yownoye05:18
yownOK, so what can I do for DE, so I can update but have things like something akin to that gnome 2.x menu? it doesn't have to be the same, just that principle05:19
yownwithout something really complicated05:19
bjsniderif you use mint i guess they'll have cinnamon05:19
yownBut some have told me that mint is less reliable then ubuntu05:19
bjsniderxubuntu has a simple old-style setup05:20
bjsnidermint is ubuntu05:20
bjsnider99% of it anyway05:20
bjsniderjust a different paint job05:20
yownBut not something I can ask about in the ubuntu channel I am told, and less reliable in some way? Does it keep up perfectly with updates?05:21
bjsnidernot supported here05:21
yownwhich means...05:21
yown?05:21
bjsnideri'm not sure how closely it tracks updates05:21
bjsniderwhy don't you try xubuntu for awhile?05:22
yownhmmm, maybe05:22
bjsniderjust install the xubuntu-desktop package and switch sessions at the login screen05:22
yownI have already downloaded the 12.10 ubuntu though, would it be less time for me to install that and switch to XFCE?05:22
bjsniderno, not less time i don't think05:23
yownbjsnider, are you a developer?05:23
bjsniderno, i do a lot of packaging and whatnot05:23
bjsniderand badmouthing fedora05:24
bjsnideras one naturally does05:24
yownSo you are positive of all you said bjsnider? Because someone in another channel said that you can put cinnamon on  13.405:26
bjsnideryou mean without mint?05:27
bjsnidersomeone might have packaged it in a ppa05:27
bjsniderso it might be possible05:27
yownand is saying there is a fall back to gnome 2 style bjsnider  (in 13.4)05:30
yownI mean without complicated setup05:32
bjsniderhttp://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/gnome-session-fallback05:34
bjsniderthat?05:34
bjsnideri thought you were still using gnome 205:34
bjsniderthat package was intended as disaster planning, not a permanent desktop environment, although some people unfortunately use it as such05:35
bjsniderit's like windows safe mode05:35
jbichabjsnider: I haven't tried it but there's now https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cinnamon05:36
bjsniderjbicha, cool, so not a ppa05:36
yownbjsnider: Switch sessions?05:36
bjsniderthat makes it easier on people05:36
bjsnideryown, can you expand on that question?05:37
yownbjsnider: "just install the xubuntu-desktop package and switch sessions at the login screen" What do you mean about the switching of sessions? And why is it unfortunate for someone to use that gnome fallback as a permanent desktop?05:38
bjsniderwell, you don;t have to because cinnamon is in 13.405:39
yownWell is it in 12.10?05:39
bjsniderno05:39
yownstable 13.4 isn't out yet, and I don't want to experiment right now05:39
bjsnideryou came to the wrong place05:39
bjsniderat the login screen look for the sessions button05:40
yownwell I mean for main system anyway05:40
bjsniderit wil give you the list05:40
bjsniderit's unfortunate because it's abandoned code that's not supported or maintained and hasn't been for years and so forth and so on05:42
raymondI am trying to make my radeon card's power_mode automatically be set to use dynpm at boot.  So I tried writing a UDEV rule, but UDEV seems to be ignoring the rule (or the rule doesn't work and requires debugging):  http://pastebin.com/maxH2DCs09:32
edakiriHow can one see which X Org server is running? --not which version, but for which chipset.10:23
edakirithe /var/log/Xorg.* shows modules for various 'servers' being loaded, and I see indications which suggest which is being used, but I look for something clear and conclusive.10:24
humanoidshigh10:27
humanoidswhy dmesg shows my ssd as connected udma 133?10:28
humanoidsata4.00: ATA-8: MKNSSDCR120GB, 504ABBF0, max UDMA/13310:28
humanoidsits drawring10:28
edakirihumanoids: maybe hdparm can help you examine or test UDMA setting.10:29
humanoidsits udma 133 current active mode10:29
edakiriYou think it should be faster UDMA setting?10:30
humanoidsit should be connected with 6gbps10:30
humanoidsits a sandfnord ssd10:30
edakiriCan hdparm probe the available UDMA settings?10:30
humanoidsyes10:30
edakiriDoes it show other ones than 133?10:31
humanoidsyes it shows lower ones10:31
edakiriI guess that is what the device is showing. To establish otherwise, you could snoop the traffic. I don't know what tools for that.10:32
humanoidssnoop the traffic?10:33
edakiriIn other words, the device can do it faster, but is reporting it can not.10:33
humanoidsnow i do a sequential benchmark to show the controller speed, the disk is capable of 500mb/s write10:33
edakiriIf it is 133MB/s bus, it should be able to do 500Mb/s.10:34
humanoids133 MB/s should do 500MB/s10:39
humanoidslol10:39
humanoids133 Megabytes are 133MB not 50010:40
humanoidsudma uses megabytes /s not gigabits10:40
edakirihumanoids: MB is MegaBytes. Mb is Megabits10:49
edakiriso 500Mb is less than 133MB10:51
BluesKajHey all12:46
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ts^^Hey16:02
ts^^quickie question - there used to be 'startup applications' in top menu / system preferences, but it's missing in raring. how on earth i'm supposed to set and edit startup applications nowadays?16:02
mandoguittry system settings > administration > startup and shutdown > autostart16:05
ts^^.. where is that supposed to be, exactly16:06
ts^^i don't have 'administration' item in system settings, and searching for 'start' or 'auto' bring nothing16:07
mandoguitwell all I can tell you is that is exactly where it is on my system    Kernel: 3.8.0-7-generic x86_64 (64 bit)16:08
mandoguit           Desktop: KDE 4.10.00 Distro: Ubuntu Raring Ringtail (development branch)16:08
mandoguitare you upto date with your updates?16:09
ts^^i don't run kde16:10
mandoguitahh... ok.   have to ask someone else then.16:10
ts^^kinda stupid assume non-default desktop for questions unless otherwise mentioned btw16:12
bazhangts^^, all versions are supported here, its not stupid at all16:13
genii-aroundts^^: #kubuntu+1 forwards here16:13
mandoguitts^^:  try learning some manners16:14
ts^^mandoguit: i have manners, and i find giving kde answers for ubuntu questions being bad manners instead.16:17
bazhangts^^, lose the attitude16:17
ts^^well, back to the original problem, i assume it's just yet another removed feature, it's just not.. anywhere in any system settings panel :/16:18
humanoidswhats a banhang?16:18
voozeCommand to remove unity and all gnome from 13.04 ? :)20:13
voozeor just list all packages to need to remove20:13
BluesKaj http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde , vooze20:15
BluesKajin 13.04 it may not be so easy tho20:15
voozehmm20:18
voozeIs there a big diffrence? It seems its only 10 packages that it cant find, if i have these 10 packages "too much" aka. they have gotten a new name its no problem20:19
voozeis that what you mean BluesKaj?20:19
BluesKajvooze, if you want to delete gnome/unity the commands on the purekde site need to be edited to replace 12.10 with 13.04 and I'm not sure even that will work successfully due to libs etc not being replaced20:25
voozeyeah okay, I will just wait :D20:29
BluesKajyou could install kubuntu-desktop and choose either desktop in the login menu ..I did it for a while til I went pure kde '20:33
Bauer1I discovered there are issues with video display on RR: in VLC player, video is "choppy" (I hope its the right word, where chunks of the picture show up as huge unprocessed pixels)21:19
Bauer1then installed compizconfig-settings-manager, but all I see are checkboxes, not the text near them21:20
BluesKajRR?21:22
bjsniderraring ringtail21:22
Bauer1Raring Ringtail - 13.0421:22
bjsniderright?21:22
Bauer1yup :) any idea what to do/try?21:23
BluesKajok , never seen it referred to as RR before ,  graphics driver , maybe21:24
bjsniderdoes totem work alright?21:26
Bauer1bjsnider, same issue, testing using H264 codec file in Matroska container btw21:28
bjsniderwas it encoded using x264 or is it h264?21:29
Bauer1I didnt encode it, unfortunately missing NFO file on this one, sec will try another file.. but it did work properly on windows before21:30
bjsnideryou can use mediainfo to determine that21:30
BluesKajBauer1, I assume all videos are acting up ?21:34
Bauer1bjsnider, Totem says code is H264, but actually only the first file I tried is "choppy" and it is in Totem, not VLC21:36
Bauer1my bad I confused it because Totem is default player, not VLC atm21:36
Bauer1in VLC both files I tested look fine21:36
Bauer1both are H264 in codec21:36
Bauer1BluesKaj, that answers your question - not all video.. and I see still only chcekboxes in Compig Config Settings Manager21:37
bjsnideri have trouble playing h264 files in totem here on quantal21:37
Bauer1quantal is which version?21:37
bjsnider12.1021:38
bjsnideryour issue is no different than mine21:38
bjsniderif you try a file encoded by x264 i think you'll see it plays fine21:38
bjsniderh264 means it probably came from apple or something like that21:38
Bauer1hmmm, well I meant to use VLC anyway, question is how to change the filetype default... its not so obvious in linux :)21:39
Bauer1found it :)21:40
Bauer1do you have the issue I mentioned in CompizConfig SEttings Manager in 13.04?21:41
bjsnideri don't use unity, so no need for anything to do with compiz21:42
BluesKajyeah VLC is my default video player , it's so reliable , plays practically everything21:43
BluesKajyeah , KDE here, no compiz issues to worry about21:44
Bauer1well, overall I am pleased with GTK..  my last 2 major problems are that I cant get Evolution to work with our Exchange 2010 emails, and I cant start Juniper's VPN for some reason even though I followed all the special installation instructions for 64bit Ubuntu21:46
Bauer1we tested at work on 12.04, same issue.. cant start the VPN - the window either wont launch, or will open for a split sec and disappear21:47
Bauer1while java -version looks good, but java test on Chrome crashes the test tab21:48
Bauer1and works on Firefox - but the VPN window disappears so fast I cant tell what happend21:50
bjsnideri think thunderbird works with exchange21:52
Bauer1you sure? I actually read a comparison, buttom line was that Evolution supports Exchange, while Thunderbird was better at overall integration or something else which didnt matter to me21:54
bjsniderhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqU7ZZPo9Og21:55
bjsniderthere's a video on connecting exchange and evolution21:55
Bauer1thanks bjsnider , hmm that Exchange MAPI Server Type is not showing up for me even though the second package is installed, closest I have is Exchange Web Services...22:05
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