[07:22] <dholbach> good morning
[08:43] <dholbach> hola dpm
[10:14] <czajkowski> anyone else seeing spam on the ubuntu phone mailing list?
[10:15] <popey> nope
[10:15] <popey> can you link to it?
[10:17] <czajkowski> yeah it's just one guy posting the same reply
[10:17] <czajkowski> but seeing it about a dozen or more times
[10:17] <czajkowski> or is thunderbird acting up :/
[10:18] <popey> which thread?
[10:18] <czajkowski> Re: [Ubuntu-phone] [Twitter] List Delegate and Profile view
[10:19] <czajkowski> sent by fox_yrkmk
[10:19] <czajkowski> 25/02/13 @ 22:14
[10:19] <popey> ah yes
[10:19] <czajkowski> sent about 23 times
[10:19] <popey> yeah,i have them too, not sure its spam
[10:19] <popey> more a mess up his end I expect
[10:35] <dholbach> dpm, do you know what the state of the terminal client is? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109795858099658821877/posts/B2YPjy1vRxm
[10:48] <dholbach> dpm, when would you have time for a quick call?
[10:56] <dpm> hey dholbach, sorry. Let's say in 30?
[11:05] <dholbach> dpm, sure
[11:12] <dholbach> dpm, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/raring/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/0.1.36-0ubuntu1 :)
[11:13] <dpm> nice
[11:13] <popey> \o/
[12:37] <jokerdino> any idea why software-center and update-notifier bugs are filed against unity-tweak-tool?
[12:38] <jokerdino> https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-tweak-tool/+bug/1133145 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-tweak-tool/+bug/1133145
[12:38] <ubot2> jokerdino: Error: launchpad bug 1133145 not found
[12:38] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, the ubuntudev hangout today was moved back 30m - I'll update the page
[12:39] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, jetpack seems to be there too
[12:41] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, you might want to subscribe to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/Hangouts
[13:55] <jcastro> http://images1.friendseat.com/2013/02/grumpy-cat-hates-harlem-shake.jpg
[14:26] <dholbach> dpm: skype works? :)
[14:27] <dpm> dholbach, shall we do a quick test?
[14:27] <dholbach> sure
[14:50] <jcastro> hey cjohnston
[14:50] <jcastro> can you remove that google calendar Community team invite thing that just went out?
[15:05] <cjohnston> jcastro: ?
[15:05] <cjohnston> jcastro: the meeting itself?
[15:07] <jcastro> yeah
[15:07] <cjohnston> just today or all of them?
[15:07] <jcastro> we haven't had them in a while
[15:07] <jcastro> so just ditch them all I say
[15:08] <cjohnston> gone
[15:08] <jcastro> <3
[15:09] <cjohnston> :-)
[15:09] <cjohnston> when are you coming back to the south to hang out?
[15:10] <jcastro> it's cold enough up here
[15:10] <jcastro> so basically, at any time
[15:10] <cjohnston> lol
[16:12] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: wasn't here, my ISP is giving me a hard time these days; updating the calendar right now
[16:13] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: and about jetpack, we can't use it as it needs relations with jetpack.wordpress.com and IS doesn't want to open that up
[16:20] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: we'll be using google analytics from now on, want access to the panel?
[16:20] <dholbach> sure why not
[16:21] <JoseeAntonioR> can you pm me your google account?
[16:21] <JoseeAntonioR> the one you use with analytics, or sign up and give me the address
[16:21] <popey> I_LIKE_GOATS@GMAIL.COM
[16:21] <popey> oops
[16:23] <czajkowski> http://exastack.com/webcam/  two chickens block the door keeps the other two out
[16:23] <czajkowski> very friendly bunch
[16:23] <JoseeAntonioR> dholbach: let me know once you're done editing
[16:27] <SergioMeneses> hi all! morning
[16:27] <SergioMeneses> dpm, busy?
[16:28] <dpm> hi SergioMeneses, same as usual :)
[16:28] <dholbach> JoseeAntonioR, updated
[16:28] <SergioMeneses> dpm, pm
[16:29] <SergioMeneses> dholbach, \o
[16:38] <jono> jcastro, can you join a hangout now?
[16:39] <jcastro> sure
[16:40] <jcastro> link me up
[16:40] <jcastro> jono: ^^
[16:54] <jcastro> jono: It let me add uds-organizers as an org, msm, you, mhall haev access now if I get hit by a truck.
[16:55] <mhall119> or snow plow
[16:55] <jcastro> I could get snowed in tonight for real actually
[17:03] <mhall119> jcastro: they're talking about us getting snow down here
[17:03] <mhall119> snow!
[17:03] <mhall119> it's nearly 80F today
[17:03] <jcastro> It's 31 here
[17:22] <cprofitt> wonder if this will hit Rochester or not
[17:23]  * cprofitt wanders off to weather.com
[17:47] <dholbach> all right my friends - I call it a day - see you all tomorrow
[17:47] <popey> o/
[18:03] <jono> folks
[18:03] <jono> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/26/ubuntu-developer-summits-now-online-and-every-three-months/
[18:03] <AlanBell> gosh
[18:04] <AlanBell> next week gosh
[18:06] <czajkowski> very interesting disucssion happening on http://www.mobileworldlive.com/mobile-world-live-tv-live-stream
[18:06] <mhall119> AlanBell: can I get you to update the /topic in #ubuntu-uds, replacing the summit link from uds-s to http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/
[18:07] <mhall119> czajkowski: thanks for the reminder
[18:07] <SergioMeneses> jono, :O
[18:08] <AlanBell> done mhall119
[18:08] <czajkowski> mhall119: we're on Q&A now
[18:08] <czajkowski> although I've found Mitchell interrupting to then pause and then come up with some comment to be a bit annoying
[18:08] <mhall119> thanks AlanBell
[18:09] <mhall119> czajkowski: yeah, I missed most of it, hopefully I'll be able to watch it later
[18:10] <czajkowski> mhall119: missed a chunk also with being on a call, so will nee to rewatch also
[18:12] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: question, how are we going to deal with the 10 participants limit?
[18:13] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, Due to the limited number of available slots in a hangout (around 10), it will be at the session leader's discretion who joins the hangout. We actively recommend to all session leaders though that they invite active IRC members with good contributions to join the hangout if there are slots available.
[18:13] <AlanBell> I think that will work out fine
[18:13] <jono> I am going to follow up with a blog post with additional info
[18:13] <czajkowski> jono: ah good to hear, as sometimes it can be a bit of a 'old boys club being the same people on the on airs
[18:13] <jono> the cool thing about this is that *every* session will be recorded
[18:14] <jono> and everyone will be online so no one gets left out
[18:14] <AlanBell> I would suggest that you insist people set up and test camera/microphone/speakers in advance if they are applying to join a session hangout
[18:14] <jono> as I experience at the last UDS, remote participation is not all it cracked up to be
[18:14] <jono> AlanBell, agreed
[18:14] <jono> czajkowski, yeah, exactly
[18:14] <JoseeAntonioR> jono: if people are going to participate in the hangouts, I suggest you link to this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OnAir/BestPractices
[18:14] <czajkowski> jono: they can be good don't get me wrong, but when it's the same people each week it feels very cliquish
[18:14] <AlanBell> I am completely in approval of this change to UDS
[18:14] <JoseeAntonioR> it's got all the 'review your things' points
[18:15] <jbicha> I wonder if Canonical will still have a big company-wide physical meetup once or twice a year
[18:15] <jono> czajkowski, are there weekly hangouts?
[18:15] <jono> the only one I know of is my own one
[18:15] <jono> which is by definition a personal hangout as it is my own one
[18:16] <jono> jbicha, we will still have some sprints when we need them
[18:16] <mhall119> czajkowski: I don't think anybody was ever told they couldn't do a hangout, the limited variety is because of the limited number of people who are asking to do one
[18:16] <cprofitt> using hangouts will be a nice opportunity to help people who really want to remotely participate.
[18:16] <jono> JoseeAntonioR, ahhh, perfect!
[18:16] <jbicha> jono: right, but team sprints are different than getting the whole company together
[18:16] <jono> jbicha, we haven't done a full company meeting for years
[18:17] <jbicha> any way, this should save at least several hundred thousand dollars from the budget
[18:17] <jono> last one was in 2008 I think
[18:17] <jbicha> jono: UDS/Linaro Connect was close to company-wide, wasn't it?
[18:18] <jono> jbicha, not really
[18:18] <jono> jbicha, mostly engineering were there, not many bizdev, HR, sales etc
[18:18] <jbicha> hmm ok, maybe that's why I don't know hardly any of those people
[18:19] <czajkowski> jbicha: it's hard to know everyone :)
[18:19] <imbrandon> jono: so should i cancel my travel plans for May or … and btw even though its online one week notice for UDS is very short.
[18:19] <jono> yeah, as czajkowski says, its difficult to know everyone
[18:20] <jono> imbrandon, yep, there won't be an Oakland physical event, but an online event
[18:21] <pleia2> sad
[18:22] <imbrandon> jono: rocking, ok, other than the short notice i think i can make that work … that will let me change my funds to attend ODS instead
[18:22] <mhall119> pleia2: I will miss hanging out with everybody in-person
[18:22] <jcastro> ODS is pretty awesome
[18:22] <imbrandon> yea, i was torn anyhow on witch to attend
[18:22] <mhall119> but 3-month planning cycles will be a big help
[18:22] <pleia2> mhall119: yeah, I always found that to be the mose valuable part of UDS, make Ubuntu different from other projects I work on
[18:22] <czajkowski> what's ODS
[18:22] <czajkowski> ?
[18:22] <imbrandon> OpenStack Dev Summit
[18:23] <jcastro> but this change to UDS just strengthen the needs for local events, Ubucons around big OSS shows, etc. to make up for the physical part.
[18:23] <cprofitt> with the 4pm to 10pm UTC that will be 11am to 5pm
[18:23] <pleia2> I also specifically negotiated attending with work, so this will be interesting :\
[18:23] <mhall119> pleia2: it was, but it wouldn't be practical to do one every 3 months
[18:23] <cprofitt> I will likely not be able to make next week -- I would have to ask for time off from work
[18:23] <imbrandon> pleia2: same here
[18:23] <pleia2> (and I definiately can't do the one a week away, that's way too short notice)
[18:24] <czajkowski> cprofitt: earphones in your ears at work ?
[18:25] <pleia2> czajkowski: we actually need to work at work ;)
[18:25] <imbrandon> yea even online, i can't take the time off on such short notice to goto sessions , only thing i can hope is that they would be in a timeslot that i could already do, but then it begs to question on how much prep can be done in a week
[18:25] <cprofitt> czajkowski: its not the earphones issue, but the issue that when I am at work my company expects me to be working for them
[18:25] <cprofitt> I can take a lunch and cover a 1 hour meeting, but not such a large period of time
[18:25] <czajkowski> fair enough I suauly have some form of music or earphones on when ever I've ever had to work
[18:25] <jono> pleia2, I agree that the less face time bit is a downside
[18:26] <akgraner> jono, we use hangouts all the time for our events, and we've done a virtual Connect as well - with a lot of success.  If you need anything let me know happy to share our lessons learned if you want
[18:26] <jono> but I think the overall accessibility and quality of the event for planning Ubuntu will be enhanced
[18:26] <jono> thanks akgraner
[18:26] <jbicha> yeah I guess this will increase Canonical employee participation in other conferences like GUADEC or FOSDEM, just to have the chance to hang out with the wider community in person
[18:26] <cprofitt> listening to music is far different from active participation... I can listend to music and pay attention to work... I can not participate in a UDS session and do that.
[18:27] <pleia2> cprofitt: yeah, same
[18:28] <imbrandon> yea i have a feeling that next weeks UDS will primarily be Canonical participation mostly , since they will be all able to make time for certain … but i'm not as sure about the wider community … not until may
[18:28] <nigelb> I did UDS remotely before. You absolutely cannot multi-task :)
[18:28] <pleia2> imbrandon: yeah
[18:28] <czajkowski> jbicha: canonical folks were at FOSDEM and GUADEC
[18:28] <jcastro> imbrandon: I am willing to bet we'll get a bunch of new people though
[18:28] <nigelb> actually, making it fewer days helps, I think.
[18:28] <imbrandon> jcastro: for sure … in may, i dunno about in a week
[18:28] <cprofitt> jono: will the time (as in time of day be fixed) or will it rotate to cover diferent time zones?
[18:29] <imbrandon> there is ALOT of planning even for participation
[18:29] <czajkowski> hmm my indicator is gone a bit mental, I've just had about 20 updates from pleia2 come up in multiple bubbles
[18:29] <pleia2> czajkowski: I'm being retweeted a fair amount
[18:29] <jcastro> imbrandon: right, but it's every three months, one slightly rough start ain't so bad
[18:29] <jono> cprofitt, it will stick to UTC
[18:29] <imbrandon> jcastro: true
[18:29] <czajkowski> pleia2: not to do with uds
[18:29] <cprofitt> jono: with the 4pm start time?
[18:29] <jbicha> czajkowski: sure but maybe more will attend, I've heard people complain that Ubuntu doesn't participate enough in community-wide stuff like that
[18:29] <jcastro> remember when people cared about Firefox and Chrome versions? And then they went to three months and now it's just part of the routine
[18:30] <akgraner> nigelb, I found when I participated remotely that if there were sessions I had input to I could not multi-task, but if it was sessions I was just interested in I could listen and do other things
[18:30] <nigelb> akgraner: That's true :)
[18:30] <nigelb> But with only 2 days, more sessions are going to conflict.
[18:30] <imbrandon> jcastro: yea i don't think its a bad thing overall, my _only_ gripe is the spontaneous nature of the next week launch
[18:30] <pleia2> imbrandon: I will see you at ODS! \o/
[18:31] <imbrandon> pleia2: yup yup :)
[18:31] <jcastro> nigelb: right, which means 2 days of good discusions and goal setting
[18:31] <imbrandon> looks like it now :)
[18:31] <jono> cprofitt, yup
[18:31] <nigelb> jcastro: Yeah.
[18:31] <jcastro> instead of 2 days of good discussions and goal settings, and 2 days of padding.
[18:31] <nigelb> jcastro: I can actually take time off for things that are really interesting.
[18:31] <cprofitt> jono: cool... that will allow me to plan for May.
[18:31] <jcastro> not to say they're all like that, but like, by Tuesday at UDS, I am _full_ for 6 months
[18:31] <jono> cprofitt, :-)
[18:31] <nigelb> jcastro: You only have space remaining for more beer? ;)
[18:31] <jono> thing is, we will do the first event next week and we will no doubt find lots of things we want to fix
[18:32] <jono> I am gonna issue a survey after the event to help us refine the edges
[18:32] <jcastro> nigelb: no, I had to add a non_drinking day (tue), just to make it!
[18:33] <nigelb> Heh.
[18:33] <popey> Free webcams for all!
[18:33] <popey> Jono is paying!
[18:33] <pleia2> lol
[18:33] <jono> hang on...
[18:33] <jono> :-)
[18:34] <jcastro> The 24 hours of G+ was such an amazing experience, so now we want to make you all suffer.
[18:34] <nigelb> Only pay for shipping! (Note: Shipping 50 USD)
[18:34] <nigelb> hahaha
[18:35] <jcastro> Anyway, for me, G+ has changed the way I work to be massively productive, and I think using that to help make Ubuntu is awesome.
[18:35] <jono> jcastro, ditto
[18:35] <jono> as I say, I think this will be good for us
[18:35] <nigelb> I only have one worry.
[18:35] <nigelb> Bandwidth.
[18:35] <jcastro> like I didn't know until SCaLE, that I hadn't seen Bacon physicially for almost a year
[18:36] <jono> nigelb, agreed, that is the tradeoff
[18:36] <jcastro> and yet week in, week out, cranking out the work
[18:36] <jono> nigelb, but we faced that with remote participation anyway
[18:36] <nigelb> UDS audio was low bandwidth. Even in India, I had no trouble with audio. But g+ is a hit or miss because I can't not have video.
[18:36] <jono> jcastro, indeed
[18:36] <jcastro> nigelb: yeah but with G+ we never have visa problems again at least! \o/
[18:36] <jono> nigelb, have you tried low bandwidth G+
[18:36] <nigelb> jcastro: That's a *very* valid point :)
[18:37] <jono> that is basically audio
[18:37] <nigelb> jono: Oh. Ignore me then :)
[18:37] <nigelb> jcastro: Also, no more jetlag.
[18:37] <jono> nigelb, I could never ignore you :-)
[18:38] <nigelb> Heh :)
[18:38] <jcastro> pleia2: we'll be ok on the server side, since ODS is basically a UDS, but IMO this makes things like Ubucons even more important.
[18:39] <pleia2> jcastro: yeah, which reminds me, working with Richard (who ran Ubucon this year) to snag ubucon.org from nhaines for use beyond California ubucons \o/
[18:39] <jcastro> Richard basically nailed that Ubucon
[18:39] <popey> \o/
[18:39] <jcastro> everything about it was awesome
[18:39] <pleia2> yeah, he did a great job :)
[18:40] <jcastro> Like at first I was like "be there a bunch to support ubucon"
[18:40] <jcastro> but then it was like, I better leave so someone else can come inside
[18:40] <pleia2> hehe
[18:40] <jcastro> I think a bigger room next year and it'll be perfect
[18:41] <pleia2> yeah, we had space trouble for some of the talks last year too, this year there was standing room only for everything
[18:41] <akgraner> pleia2, josh and nick also had a bunch of ubucon.com/net etc addressed they were holding on to - you might want to see if they still have those or I can if you want
[18:42] <akgraner> addresses even
[18:43] <jbicha> if you want to have more community involvement, maybe Fri/Sat would be better than Tue/Wed
[18:44] <AlanBell> how come it isn't on London time?
[18:45] <czajkowski> AlanBell: hard to pick one specific timezone I'm sure
[18:45] <pleia2> akgraner: looks like they expired, .com is parked (and I just snagged .net, so thanks!)
[18:45] <czajkowski> given a large chunk are are in europe also
[18:45] <akgraner> pleia2, you're welcome
[18:45] <mhall119> AlanBell: it's in UTC
[18:45] <AlanBell> czajkowski: oh, sure, but it is surprisingly inconvenient for the London office staff
[18:45] <czajkowski> nods this is true
[18:45] <AlanBell> quite convenient for me, I like it
[18:46] <czajkowski> but it's gonna be inconvient for somebody also
[18:46] <czajkowski> timezones are pesky things
[18:46] <cprofitt> +1 czajkowski
[18:47] <popey> there are two easy fixes for timezone problems
[18:47] <popey> 1) Everyone switch to UTC
[18:47] <popey> 2) We all move to the ISS
[18:48] <czajkowski> I prefer #1 :)
[18:48] <jono> czajkowski, remote participation has always been inconvenient though too
[18:48] <AlanBell> both excellent options
[18:48] <jcastro> Shifting work hours for 2 days is way better than jetlag
[18:48] <popey> +1000
[18:48] <popey> if it also means I dont have to put up with those horrid community types...
[18:48] <jono> and we have few sessions in the online UDS and they have been specifically timed to make the TZ conversation as convenient as possible
[18:48] <popey> ..is what you expect people to say!
[18:48] <popey> :p
[18:49] <czajkowski> jono: I agree like I said timezones are pesky
[18:49] <jono> czajkowski, indeed
[18:49]  * AlanBell looks forward to the allstars hangout
[18:49] <jono> be thankful you are not UTC -8 :-)
[18:49] <jono> maybe we can do some karaoke as an allstars session
[18:50] <jono> or stand up comedy :-)
[18:50] <czajkowski> oh gods
[18:50] <jono> lol
[18:50] <czajkowski> how about we just get dholbach to dj that is good and we can work away to that
[18:50] <AlanBell> I would imagine there would be a little too much latency for any actual musical collaboration
[18:50] <czajkowski> :D
[18:50] <AlanBell> (might not affect severed fifth too much)
[18:51] <popey> Its okay, we can just mute jono and sing Barbie Girl instead
[18:51] <imbrandon> jono: if there is Karaoke just make sure that we invite that singer with two teeth to attend :)
[18:51] <jcastro> Does time shifting affect metal?
[18:51] <jono> imbrandon, what a legend :-)
[18:51] <jono> popey, I can do a mean Barbie Girl
[18:51] <imbrandon> :)
[18:51] <jono> just give me a chance :-)
[18:51] <popey> CoC!
[18:51] <jono> czajkowski, good idea about DJ Holbach :-)
[18:51] <jono> popey, oops
[18:51] <jono> :-)
[18:51] <czajkowski> it's what keeps me sane during the day
[18:52] <czajkowski> either his dj sets of hose choies
[18:52] <czajkowski> it's good working music
[18:52] <czajkowski> *his
[18:52] <czajkowski> damn pesky lag
[18:52] <jono> lol
[18:53] <czajkowski> oh also bonus for online UDS
[18:53] <czajkowski> no more memes can happen
[18:53] <czajkowski> :D
[18:53] <popey> oh i dont know
[18:54] <popey> remember the 24 hour hangout?
[18:54] <popey> some nice pics came out of that
[18:54] <czajkowski> bah
[18:54]  * czajkowski puts popey in the cat box 
[18:54] <akgraner> I looked forward to seeing what memes turned up as a result of UDS - they always made me laugh
[18:56] <cprofitt> there will be no more jono getting music cds of old 80s boy bands
[18:56] <jono> cprofitt, LOL
[18:57] <jcastro> pleia2: speaking of ... any idea where the pig is?
[18:57] <pleia2> jcastro: it was passed along in copenhagen
[18:57] <pleia2> so, nope :)
[18:58] <jcastro> OHRLY
[18:58] <jcastro> so it really is going on adventures
[19:01] <imbrandon> cprofitt: now we just have to post jono WHAM cd's or gift him the MP3's on the U1 music store :)
[19:01] <popey> yes!
[19:01] <cprofitt> I guess I could alway put that on as background music in one of his hangouts
[19:02] <cprofitt> +1 imbrandon
[19:02] <imbrandon> lil Jack will have quite a nice collection once he comes of age :)
[19:02] <cprofitt> jono: just for you...
[19:02] <cprofitt> You put the boom-boom into my heart
[19:02] <cprofitt> :-)
[19:02] <imbrandon> :)
[19:03] <jono> damn all of you
[19:03] <jono> :-)
[19:04]  * popey hugs jono 
[19:05]  * jono hugs popey
[19:05] <jono> group hug!~
[19:05]  * jono hugs imbrandon
[19:05]  * jono hugs cprofitt
[19:05]  * popey hugs akgraner 
[19:05]  * jono hugs czajkowski
[19:05]  * jono hugs akgraner
[19:06]  * popey manly shakes the hand of jcastro 
[19:06] <jcastro> Jolly good show sir!
[19:06]  * jono uncomfortably slides away from jcastro
[19:06] <pleia2> haha
[19:06] <jono> its the breath
[19:06] <jono> just horrible
[19:06] <jono> lol
[19:06] <jcastro> oh, I suppose I should have put pants on!
[19:06] <jono> jcastro, btw, I think Erica wants to marry you
[19:06] <jcastro> Adobo?
[19:06] <jono> she loves the rub
[19:06] <jono> indeed
[19:07] <jcastro> successkid.png
[19:07] <imbrandon>  
[19:07] <jono> haha
[19:07]  * imbrandon hugs everyone
[19:07]  * popey makes Quesadillas
[19:08] <jcastro> jono: next time I think I'm going to handcrush the peppercorns instead of using normal black pepper, that should add a nice texture too
[19:09] <jono> jcastro, yeah, maintains the spice better
[19:09] <jono> jcastro, looking forward to trying it on chicken
[19:09] <jono> think I will do it this weekend
[19:09] <jono> just got my cupcake chicken tray :-)
[19:10] <jcastro> pork chops is where it shines
[19:10] <jcastro> I mean, it's great on everything, but pork chops is like the master of puppets of adobo
[19:10] <jcastro> Phil was so awesome, I want to hang out with that guy every day
[19:11] <jcastro> and he's like, super high end data center guy, I hate not knowing him before
[19:13] <jono> jcastro, yeah he is a dude
[19:13] <jono> jcastro, man, my hotel room was a pig sty after Sat night
[19:14] <jcastro> I had nothing to do with that, heh, I drank my 2 beers and then racked out.
[19:15] <jono> jcastro, well, I guess that is what happens when I invite everyone in the bar to my hotel room
[19:15] <jcastro> "Let's make it so the entire bar doesn't end up in my room." = Entire bar ends up in your room.
[19:15] <jono> lol
[19:19] <cprofitt> jcastro: I have a chance, likely slim, of becoming a super high end data center guy
[19:19] <jcastro> \o/
[19:19] <cprofitt> I had a phone interview with Iberdrola
[19:20] <cprofitt> we will have to see what that goes, but at least there is potential
[19:20] <cprofitt> they do Linux, Windows on VMWare
[19:20] <cprofitt> supposedly 4K physical servers
[19:21] <cprofitt> that defeats my current gig of 16 physical servers and 34 virtualized quite easily
[19:23] <jbicha> jono has a baby and now doesn't want to have to travel any more? ;)
[19:23] <jono> jbicha, lol
[19:24] <jono> quite the opposite, a few days away from dirty diapers helps my sanity :-)
[19:35]  * imbrandon hints no so subtly to jono about a LugRadio Live! 2013 to get away from the diapers with no physical UDS :)
[19:36] <imbrandon> s/no/not/
[19:36] <jono> imbrandon, you organize it my friend, and we will do it :-)
[19:36] <imbrandon> :P
[19:38] <mhall119> jcastro: you have an adobo recipe?
[19:40] <jcastro> :)
[19:45] <mhall119> jcastro: share
[19:45]  * mhall119 is trying to learn more central/south american cooking
[19:45] <jcastro> It's my grandmas secret recipe, so not likely. But you can google for tons of homemade ones on the interwebs
[19:45] <mhall119> :P
[19:46] <mhall119> jcastro: open the source!
[19:46] <jcastro> or just snag a bunch at the grocery store, they actually have them down there, up here not so much
[19:46] <mhall119> grocery store stuff generally sucks
[19:46] <mhall119> like BBQ rubs
[19:46] <jcastro> I'll get you a bottle next time we meet up
[19:46] <mhall119> everything it 90% salt
[19:47] <jcastro> not mine. :)
[19:47] <mhall119> because it's not store bought, that's what I'm saying
[19:48] <jcastro> http://latinfood.about.com/od/seasoningmarinade/r/adobodry.htm
[19:49] <mhall119> thanks :)
[20:18] <mhall119> jono: are we having a call today?
[20:33] <jono> mhall119, yup
[20:33] <jono> mhall119, just got back from lunch
[20:33] <jono> mhall119, lets use the hangout in the invite
[20:36] <mhall119> ok
[20:36] <jono> mhall119, I am there
[20:36] <mhall119> joinin
[22:31] <cjohnston> AlanBell: ping
[22:33] <jono> jcastro, around?
[22:37] <jcastro> one sec, phone
[22:42] <AlanBell> hi cjohnston
[22:42] <cjohnston> AlanBell: is it possible to (force) hide the chat in etherpad
[22:43] <AlanBell> etherpad lite or etherpad?
[22:43] <cjohnston> etherpad
[22:43] <cjohnston> I can't find any docs
[22:43] <AlanBell> I did a theme for it without the chat
[22:44] <cjohnston> with lite you can do it in the url
[22:49] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-etherpad-theme.tar.gz
[22:50] <cjohnston> AlanBell: I assume it isn't possible to do like etherpad-lite by the url?
[22:50] <AlanBell> I have no idea
[22:50] <cjohnston> ok
[22:50] <AlanBell> I don't have a running etherpad
[22:50] <AlanBell> but that is the theme directory
[22:51] <AlanBell> /usr/share/etherpad/etherpad/src/themes/ubuntu is where that was
[22:53] <AlanBell> #padchat{ display:none;
[22:53] <AlanBell> }
[22:53] <AlanBell> that is how I turned off the chat
[22:54] <AlanBell> http://mumble.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu.css that might be sufficient, if you can just get it to load that css
[22:58] <cjohnston> okok, thanks
[23:06] <bkerensa> jono: has Canonical considered using a open source platform to do the virtual UDS? Kaltura (Does video streaming etc) it seems like the limitations on hangouts for participants would actually limit the amount of people who can participate versus expand participation and make it more open? Some of the community sessions alone have 10-15 people which would not be possible on hangout
[23:11] <AlanBell> not many have 10 people talking
[23:15] <jcastro> and if they do they just move into the fishbowl
[23:16] <jcastro> with G+ we can move people in and out of the new "fishbowl"
[23:25] <bkerensa> jcastro: how do you get around the limitation of one hangout occuring per account? Are you going to create a mass amount of accounts? I believe Google+ only allows one account per entity or person which must use a real name.
[23:26] <bkerensa> AlanBell: perhaps not in the community sessions but in the motu or foundations sessions there is much more discussion going on then 10 people
[23:27] <cjohnston> bkerensa: every employee has a google account
[23:28] <bkerensa> cjohnston: so employees will be holding the sessions and ultimately will be controlling any recorded video?
[23:29] <cjohnston> no matter how it was done employees would control the recorded video.
[23:30] <jcastro> bkerensa: I don't know the specifics
[23:33] <AlanBell> so in a hangout on air you can have more than 10 people speaking though the course of the hangout, if some leave and others join?, just 10 at any one time?
[23:33] <cjohnston> 10 at a time
[23:37] <bkerensa> AlanBell: so the rest will have to observe or be on irc and then its pick and choose and queuing for everyone else who wants to be on the discussion
[23:39] <AlanBell> yeah, I think that is workable. It isn't the same, but it is workable
[23:40] <AlanBell> what puzzles me is doing it all at once
[23:40] <bkerensa> It turns a discussion from very open to moderated
[23:40] <imbrandon> creates a need for a moderator in each session
[23:40] <bkerensa> exactly
[23:40] <bkerensa> someone who gets to decided who is next and who there is time to listen to
[23:40] <cjohnston> its not a whole lot different than remote participation
[23:40] <AlanBell> it could be much more spread out in time so we don't have any conflicts, you just turn up to the ones you want to attend
[23:40] <cjohnston> anyone can talk at any time on IRC, just like a real UDS
[23:41] <bkerensa> cjohnston: and most people did not like remotely participating as much as actually going because it feels like your disconnected from the convo
[23:41] <AlanBell> really this is going to make remote participation much less of a waste of time
[23:41] <bkerensa> during last UDS we had a hangout the whole time and rarely could we get involved in the discussion
[23:41] <cjohnston> what AlanBell said
[23:41] <imbrandon> cjohnston: but lets face it,current remote participation suck pretty bad … and if its "just like irc" why even have UDS at all, why not just the current team weekly standups
[23:41] <bkerensa> imbrandon: +10
[23:42] <bkerensa> imbrandon: you coming to openstack summit? :)
[23:42] <imbrandon> bkerensa: yup :)
[23:42] <bkerensa> you are?
[23:42] <bkerensa> niiice
[23:42] <bkerensa> let me know when you land I will buy you a drink :)
[23:43] <imbrandon> bkerensa: sure thing , i'll likely be  somewhere near the tripleo team :P
[23:44] <imbrandon> jono: what do you think about adding video/hangout support to lernid ?
[23:44] <jono> imbrandon, well, we do everything in the browser for UDS
[23:44] <jono> but if someone wants to add this to Lernid, then go ahead :-)
[23:45] <imbrandon> true, i was just thinking that a format like the classroom sessions with slides etc /might/ work well
[23:45] <jono> imbrandon, you can deliver slides via the hangout
[23:45] <imbrandon> for UDS, and even if not, it would be cool for #userdays too
[23:45] <jono> by sharing your screen
[23:46] <imbrandon> true, there is a lot of overlap there, mostly was a brain puke :) will have to think on it a bit more , heh
[23:48] <bkerensa> even if Kaltura is not concerned as a open source platform to use instead of Google+ perhaps BigBlueButton which is also opensource and allows more then 10 people?
[23:48] <bkerensa> Mozilla uses BigBlueButton for its large virtual get togethers :)
[23:49] <bkerensa> it also supports dial in :)
[23:49] <bkerensa> it seems like the open source options are much better than the google+ proprietary binary route
[23:50] <AlanBell> bigbluebutton demo meeting has just gone wrong for me
[23:50] <AlanBell> and it is flash
[23:51] <bkerensa> AlanBell: there is a html5 client for entry into meetings
[23:51] <AlanBell> doesn't work in firefox or chromium
[23:52] <bkerensa> AlanBell: have you specifically tried the html5 client because thats what I use in Firefox
[23:53] <bkerensa> and I imagine thats what a good majority of Mozillians use for their meetings is the html5 client instead of flash
[23:53] <AlanBell> I have specifically gone here http://demo.bigbluebutton.org/ put in my name clicked join, loaded something can't click the button to let it use camera/microphone
[23:54] <bkerensa> thats because thats the flash version
[23:54] <bkerensa> ;)
[23:54] <bkerensa> AlanBell: http://code.google.com/p/bigbluebutton/wiki/HTML5DevEnvironmentSetup