[04:27] <pitti> Good morning
[06:02] <RAOF> pitti: Yo!
[06:03] <pitti> hey RAOF, how are you?
[06:03] <RAOF> Tired!
[06:03] <RAOF> But otherwise well :)
[07:03] <didrocks> good morning
[07:09] <pitti> bonjour didrocks
[08:06] <tkamppeter> ogra_, you asked me yesterday which release I am running on my Pandaboard. It is Precise with http://ppa.launchpad.net/tiomap-dev/release/ubuntu PPA and priority given to PPA packages.
[08:07] <tkamppeter> ogra_, XBMC is 2:11.0+16+201207280746~precise1.
[08:36] <thumper> hi didrocks
[08:37] <didrocks> hey thumper
[08:39] <thumper> didrocks: do we have a new compiz/unity planned soon for raring?
[08:39] <didrocks> thumper: when the autopilot tests will pass and every components will build
[08:39] <didrocks> thumper: the daily will then copy it
[08:39] <didrocks> why?
[08:39] <thumper> didrocks: because I'd like to get off metacity :)
[08:39] <didrocks> thumper: well, go back to raring distro first
[08:39] <thumper> how?
[08:39] <didrocks> remove your ppa and downgrade the components
[08:40] <thumper> I have removed the ppas
[08:40] <thumper> and downgraded compiz
[08:40] <thumper> but not sure about the rest
[08:40] <thumper> compiz seems to get stuck initializeing core
[08:40] <didrocks> thumper: maybe try to remove your compiz config? if it spelled garbage?
[08:40] <thumper> didrocks: where is that?
[08:40] <didrocks> thumper: come on, you worked on that :/
[08:41] <didrocks> .config/compiz*
[08:41] <thumper> not really
[08:41] <didrocks> and .compiz*
[08:41] <thumper> kk
[08:41] <didrocks> thumper: also, you can ask upstream, you know, you used an upstream ppa :p
[08:41]  * thumper tries
[08:41] <thumper> :P
[08:41] <didrocks> thumper: now, jason believes that raring is broken because of the email
[08:41] <didrocks> despite me explaining :/
[08:41] <thumper> I replied ...
[08:41] <didrocks> tech people should always check first what they installed
[08:41] <thumper> sorry
[08:41] <thumper> my bad
[08:42] <didrocks> thumper: yeah, seems it wasn't clear enough after what I was told yesterday…
[08:46] <thumper> :(
[08:46] <thumper> removed all compiz config, and downgraded unity and 3 others to raring packages
[08:47] <thumper> and compiz still freezes on core
[08:47]  * thumper sighs
[08:48] <didrocks> smspillaz: ^
[08:48] <didrocks> thumper: you should still have a leftover somewhere
[08:48] <thumper> didrocks: probably...
[08:48] <didrocks> thumper: nobody reported it on the distro, so clearly linked to that
[08:48] <didrocks> I think sil2100 as well tracked that ^
[08:48] <thumper> good
[09:15] <Laney> morning ;-)
[09:17] <chrisccoulson> hi Laney
[09:18] <Laney> hey
[09:18]  * Laney is sniffling lots
[09:22] <seb128> hey Laney chrisccoulson, how are you?
[09:25] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128. i'm not too bad thanks, how are you?
[09:25]  * chrisccoulson is also sniffling lits
[09:25] <Laney> didn't have such a good nights sleep because of it, but not too bad
[09:26] <czajkowski> morning
[09:32] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks
[09:32] <seb128> czajkowski, good morning!
[09:32] <seb128> I managed to fight back the sneezing so far
[09:32] <seb128> but I had a start of a running nose and it was close
[09:32] <seb128> still not calling victory but I'm ok so far
[09:34] <BigWhale> Greetings everyone.
[09:34] <seb128> BigWhale, hey, how are you?
[09:34] <BigWhale> Finally better!
[09:34] <BigWhale> Thanks.
[09:36] <czajkowski> I've played with chickens so far this morning
[09:36] <czajkowski> still no eggs :(
[09:36] <czajkowski> noisey nosiey things though
[09:37] <seb128> czajkowski, you got chickens?
[09:38] <seb128> czajkowski, what kind of game is that? does it run on ubuntu? :p
[09:38] <BigWhale> :D
[09:38] <czajkowski> seb128: https://plus.google.com/photos/102921374554385564572/albums/5848623031635547409
[09:38] <BigWhale> I am more curious why does she has to play with them to get eggs... ;)
[09:39] <czajkowski> we also have  a cam hooked up so we can check on them
[09:39] <seb128> czajkowski, oh, you got the real thing
[09:39] <czajkowski> BigWhale: I really want a fried egg!
[09:39] <seb128> nice ;-)
[09:39] <BigWhale> Even chickens aren't what they used to be!
[09:39] <czajkowski> so we didnt buy any at the weekend, and so far the hens have not laid one
[09:39] <chrisccoulson> czajkowski, it would be awesome if they just laid a fried egg for you
[09:40] <BigWhale> Fried egg? Straight from chickens? That would be something. :))
[09:40] <czajkowski> chrisccoulson: still be needing the lee and perns though
[09:40] <chrisccoulson> hah
[09:41] <czajkowski> if chickens start laying fried eggs, I demand to be able to shave off strips of crispy bacon from pigs :)
[09:41] <BigWhale> Cat on a hot tin roof should really be chicken on a hot tin roof ...
[09:42] <BigWhale> czajkowski, btw, Google+ is mocking me. I clicked on a picture of your chickens and it asked me if I want to find my face ... :D
[09:43] <czajkowski> LOL
[09:44] <BigWhale> Yeah, not to me! ;))
[09:44]  * hyperair +1's that.
[10:26] <dholbach> hiya
[10:27] <dholbach> did anyone hear of anything which would open "https://www.facebook.com/connect/login_success.html?........" in my web browser in a new tab every 10 minutes?
[10:27] <dholbach> could it be gwibber trying to authenticate to a FB account?
[10:27] <seb128> dholbach, hey, does it happen without action from your part? like if you go for lunch an hour do you have a bunch of tabs when coming back?
[10:27] <dholbach> yes
[10:28] <dholbach> like every 10-20 minutes - I don't know
[10:28] <dholbach> and the website I get on just says "Success"
[10:28] <seb128> weird
[10:28] <seb128> do you have the gwibber client open all the time?
[10:28] <seb128> like the ui on screen?
[10:29] <dholbach> hang on
[10:30] <dholbach> seb128, http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/screenshot.png
[10:30] <dholbach> that's what I get in g-o-a
[10:30] <dholbach> so something is broken
[10:30] <seb128> dholbach, u-o-a (that's the ubuntu one), seems so
[10:31] <dholbach> ah, u-o-a
[10:31] <seb128> dholbach, let's try asking the webapp guys
[10:44]  * Laney wonders if unity's edge resistance became more sticky in the past week
[10:44] <Laney> I have to hit the edge quite hard to get across monitors now
[10:46]  * ogra_ was always wondering why people use that feature ... i find it quite distrurbing in my workflow 
[10:47] <seb128> without it, it's almost impossible to hit the right edge of the left screen
[10:47] <seb128> e.g to use a scrollbar
[10:47] <seb128> same for using the launcher on the right screen
[10:47] <Laney> also raising the auto-hidden launcher is hard now
[10:47] <Laney> on the left screen
[10:47] <seb128> too easy  to overshot and end on the left one
[10:47] <marga> Heys... I'm trying to develop my own indicator, and I'm puzzled by the icon stuff.  I was planning on adding my own icons, is that possible?
[10:48] <seb128> marga, hey, you sure can
[10:48] <marga> but I need to add them to the themes, is that correct?
[10:48] <seb128> it's the usual/recommended way
[10:48] <seb128> well "the themes"
[10:49] <seb128> you can have a /usr/share/<yourapp>/icons/hicolor
[10:49] <seb128> which is a private "overlay" to the theme for your app
[10:50] <seb128> if the icons are only to be used there
[10:50] <seb128> lot of apps do that
[10:50] <seb128> e.g eog or notify-osd or gwibber
[10:51] <seb128> or you can manually load an image for somewhere as well
[10:52] <marga> ok.
[10:52] <seb128> marga, typically if you add a private hicolor dir you want to add that directory using http://developer.gnome.org/gtk3/stable/GtkIconTheme.html#gtk-icon-theme-append-search-path
[10:53] <marga> no, according to the docs you can't manually load images for the indicator
[10:53] <seb128> notify-osd does
[10:53] <seb128>         gtk_icon_theme_append_search_path(gtk_icon_theme_get_default(),
[10:53] <seb128>                                           ICONS_DIR);
[10:53] <marga> ah, right
[10:53] <marga> I was now searching through the available themes to see if I could find a set of icons that could fit
[10:53] <marga> but browsing the icons is really hard, there are tons
[10:56] <seb128> marga, wget https://launchpad.net/icon-library/trunk/lucid-release/+download/iconlibrary02052010.tar.gz; tar xf iconlibrary02052010.tar.gz; cd iconlibrary;   python icon-library.py
[10:56] <marga> lucid?
[10:57] <seb128> marga, that's a small python app , it didn't change since then but it's very handy and still works fine
[10:57] <marga> ok, thanks, I've downloaded it :)
[10:57] <seb128> marga, should help you to browse the installed icons
[10:57] <marga> yes, looks really nice
[10:57] <marga> why isn't it shipped with ubuntu?
[10:58] <seb128> nobody took the time to package it I guess
[10:58] <seb128> we should ;-)
[10:58] <marga> heh
[11:39] <chrisccoulson> seb128, did you upgrade firefox from the beta PPA yet?
[11:40] <seb128> ii  firefox                                                     20.0~b1+build2-0ubuntu0.13.04.1~mfn3       i386         Safe and easy web browser from Mozilla
[11:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, is what I'm running
[11:40] <seb128> chrisccoulson, anything special you want feedback on?
[11:41] <chrisccoulson> seb128, no, as long as it's working ok. it's got a fix for https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=844015 in, i just want to make sure it's not broken before i prepare new stable versions :)
[11:41] <ubot2> Mozilla bug 844015 in ImageLib "crash in imgRequestProxy::UnblockOnload" [Critical,New]
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> thanks!
[11:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, works fine so far, including french translations! ;-)
[11:42] <seb128> chrisccoulson, yw
[11:42] <chrisccoulson> heh, that's good
[11:46] <gema> seb128: have you had the chance to have a look at bug 1091708?
[11:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1091708 in The Ubuntu Boot Speed Project "bootchart sometimes doesn't generate all times when annotating" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1091708
[11:46] <gema> seb128: it is making bootspeed testing unstable
[11:47] <seb128> gema, looking to the xsession-errors it seems like xorg is hitting a bug/segfault/something
[11:47] <gema> seb128: ok, so what do you suggest we do?
[11:48] <seb128> gema, I've commented on the bug, would be useful to get the xorg logs when running into the issue
[11:48] <gema> seb128: if it is an xorg bug, what would be the next step?
[11:49] <seb128> gema, getting a log when it happens (that's what I asked for on the bug) and then give it to our xorg team when we have enough infos so they can have a look at fixing it
[11:49] <gema> seb128: ack
[11:54] <Laney> do we have to manually set Depends for QML stuff currently?
[11:55] <seb128> Mirv, didrocks: ^ do you know?
[11:55] <seb128> Laney, I don't know of any :Depends magic for it
[11:55] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, you do need
[11:55] <didrocks> there is not helper
[11:55] <didrocks> no*
[11:55] <Laney> hmm
[11:55] <Laney> do you have a good way of doing it?
[11:56] <didrocks> Laney: grep the imports :p
[11:56] <Laney> I suppose "g.. yeah that
[11:56] <didrocks> ;)
[11:56] <Laney> what's the search directory to look in?
[11:56] <Laney> to map those back to packages
[11:58] <didrocks> Laney: I think it's /usr/lib/*/qt4/imports/
[11:58] <didrocks> and subdirs (qmldir/)
[11:58] <didrocks> sorry, same with qt5 ;)
[11:58] <Laney> heh
[11:58] <didrocks> but with that, you won't catch the false qml import, binding to C++ code
[11:58] <Laney> this is (currently) still qt4
[11:58] <Laney> import QtQuick 1.1
[12:00] <Mirv> libqt4-declarative in Qt4
[12:00] <didrocks> Mirv: that doesn't fix if you import modules not in the base package
[12:01] <Mirv> in qt4 the special packages are libqt4-declarative-folderlistmodel/gestures/particles/shaders
[12:02] <Mirv> didrocks: yes, I guess there is no simple way
[12:32] <chrisccoulson> i'm getting used to chromiums build system now
[12:32] <Laney> is it a thing of beauty?
[12:33] <chrisccoulson> Laney, it's ok. it's hard to describe any build system as a thing of beauty though
[12:33] <chrisccoulson> more like, "it doesn't completely suck" ;)
[12:33] <czajkowski> or break
[12:34] <czajkowski> in your case don't take a mallet to it
[12:34] <Laney> autotools and i have come to some kind of violent understanding
[12:34] <czajkowski> Laney: in your books is that a tight hug of some sort
[12:34] <czajkowski> I cant imagine you ever being violent
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> autotools is designed from the ground up to make your life as miserable as possible
[12:35] <mlankhorst> chrisccoulson: yes but the important part is it does it in a consistent way across all packages
[12:35] <mlankhorst> and people forget that about autotools
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> hah
[12:35] <chrisccoulson> that's true
[12:35] <mlankhorst> and as a packager it's rather a nice property to have
[12:35] <Laney> dh_weep
[12:36] <chrisccoulson> lol
[13:35] <BigWhale> chrisccoulson, please be nice to autotools, they help drive business of many pharmaceutical companies. That's gotta count for something. :>
[13:35] <BigWhale> autotools and sendmail ...
[13:37] <qengho> chrisccoulson: yeah, GYP is not terrible.
[13:38] <qengho> AFK for drive to cafe.  brb.
[13:44] <chrisccoulson> le sigh
[13:44] <chrisccoulson> so, i've got chromium starting on my pandaboard now with the linker fix, and a couple of other fixes
[13:45] <chrisccoulson> but the renderer crashes on startup!
[13:45] <chrisccoulson> yippee!
[13:45] <seb128> :-(
[13:45] <chrisccoulson> this is so much fun ;)
[13:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, fsvof
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> i blame mdeslaur :P
[13:52] <chrisccoulson> it's all because we make it relocatable ;)
[13:52] <seb128> hehe
[13:53] <mdeslaur> chrisccoulson: welcome to 2008!
[13:54] <chrisccoulson> lol
[14:03] <smspillaz> thumper: virtualbox ?
[14:03] <smspillaz> thumper: I've given up on that tbh
[14:03] <smspillaz> the driver situation is just such a bloody disaster
[14:05] <smspillaz> didrocks: :(
[14:05] <smspillaz> didrocks: the situation in a nutshell: the steps required to fix it on one commonly used driver will basically break another commonly used driver
[14:05] <smspillaz> and vice versa
[14:06] <smspillaz> its madness
[14:07] <smspillaz> thumper: didrocks: our best bet really is to just get it fixed inside virtualbox https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/11503
[14:17] <attente> ls
[14:26] <czajkowski> davmor2: any ideas on how to get my precise 32 VM working have done more updates but still being a large pita
[14:28] <davmor2> czajkowski: read above I believe the comments above cover it
[14:29] <czajkowski> ah same issue they are referring to
[14:29] <czajkowski> bugger
[14:29] <davmor2> czajkowski: language
[14:47] <ritz_> seb128 thank you :)
[14:51] <dobey> xnox: ping
[14:51] <xnox> dobey: hola =)
[14:52] <dobey> xnox: hi! it seems that the tomboy changes i proposed weren't uploaded to precise-proposed, though the MP was set to merged?
[14:52] <dobey> oh
[14:52] <Laney> sure they were https://launchpadlibrarian.net/130509506/tomboy_1.10.1-0ubuntu2_source.changes
[14:52] <dobey> maybe i should ping didrocks and/or pitti about that.
[14:52] <Laney> #ubuntu-release is good
[14:53] <dobey> Laney: huh. why is it not listed on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy then?
[14:53] <Laney> it's in the upload queue
[14:53] <Laney> you won't see it there until it's accepted
[14:53] <dobey> oh
[14:53] <xnox> Laney: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=tomboy
[14:53] <dobey> Laney: can you accept it?
[14:53] <xnox> dobey: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/precise/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text=tomboy
[14:53] <Laney> nope
[14:54] <Laney> ask in the aforementioned channel
[14:54] <xnox> dobey: you can get to the queues on launchpad.net/ubuntu/$series somewhere on the right column.
[15:17] <Sweetshark> seb128: hmm, so my little mspub build now passes this to the compiles: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567844/ -- still I get a fortify lintian warning. Can I safely assume it to be a false positive then and override it?
[15:38] <Laney> dobey: did you see that didrocks asked you to look at bug #926763?
[15:38] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 926763 in software-center (Ubuntu) "Cannot install local packages (.deb files) without network connection (offline)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/926763
[15:39] <didrocks> there was a ping on IRC as well :)
[15:39] <Laney> oho
[15:39] <dobey> Laney: no i didn't see that
[15:39] <Laney> :-)
[15:39] <Laney> there's proposed patches in there
[15:40] <seb128> Sweetshark, I hate that lintian warning
[15:40] <dobey> ++++ softwarecenter/ui/gtk3/views/appdetailsview.py.new2013-01-18 13:55:46.016390022 +0530
[15:40] <dobey> looks like a broken patch :)
[15:41] <seb128> Sweetshark, blame it on the security guys for having buggy warnings :p
[15:41] <seb128> jdstrand, mdeslaur: do we have a list somewhere of the functions covered by fortify? how do you determine false positives?
[15:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: I have to have a leg to stand on for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libmspub/+bug/1124082/comments/11 but I guess the compiler line is that.
[15:42] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1124082 in libmspub "[MIR] libmspub" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[15:42] <seb128> Sweetshark, when I checked harfbuzz I used the list in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673112#40 and verified than none of the function flagged there as "protected" were being used
[15:42] <ubot2> Debian bug 673112 in lintian "lintian: hardening-no-stackprotector check has many false positives" [Normal,Fixed]
[15:45] <dobey> Laney, didrocks: commented on the bug
[15:45] <mdeslaur> seb128: I have no idea...sbeattie would know more once he gets online
[15:45] <seb128> ok
[15:45] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks
[15:45] <Laney> dobey: ok thanks, I'll remove sponsors and let you handle it from here ;-)
[15:46] <Laney> I think your comment about the CLA is bogus though as he is one... of... us...
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> it's totally awesome that the chromium renderer crashes with the program counter pointing to zero
[15:48] <chrisccoulson> another linker bug?
[15:48] <qengho> chrisccoulson, ain't technology grand?
[15:49] <chrisccoulson> qengho, heh :)
[15:49] <dobey> Laney: i didn't check to see if he was an employee or what. i was just making a general statement about contributions. too many employees to keep track of who is and isn't an employee any more.
[15:49] <Laney> I clicked on his page and saw the little purple circle
[15:49] <Laney> but yeah, sure
[15:51] <Sweetshark> seb128: that perl thingie find memcpy, memmove and memset and I only find memcpy in the source from some libtool voodoo
[15:52] <qengho> chrisccoulson: Could be a broken function pointer deref, but considering other arches are fine, more likely a linker bug.
[15:54] <Laney> jbicha: you ready for the cogl transition then?
[15:54] <Laney> . o O (what in the world is a stealth FTBFS?)
[16:00] <jbicha> Laney: yes, it FTBFS but no one had noticed yet
[16:01] <Laney> ok, looking
[16:03] <jbicha> maybe that's just a normal FTBFS but what I meant is that it wasn't cogl's fault
[16:04] <Laney> bah, watchfile not tracking unstable series
[16:04] <Laney> I assume you've been running your package for a bit without any problems
[16:09] <rickspencer3> hey didrocks
[16:17] <Laney> jbicha: you forgot to rename .install and .symbols
[16:18] <jbicha> Laney: I ran the raring+newcogl stack for a few hours on Saturday but then I upgraded back to the GNOME 3.7 PPAs
[16:19] <Laney> oh no you didn't, I screwed that up somehow
[16:19] <Laney> or patch didn't understand that, or whatever
[16:28] <didrocks> hey rickspencer3, sorry, was in a hangout
[16:28] <rickspencer3> no worries didrocks
[16:28] <didrocks> ok ;)
[16:28] <rickspencer3> I assigned you a bug, you can unassign it, reassign it
[16:29] <rickspencer3> I thought you might want to see it
[16:30] <seb128> hey
[16:30] <seb128> it's meeting time
[16:30] <didrocks> rickspencer3: thanks! I'll have a quick look. Most of the python3 port was done by barry, I'll probably just give him over to him :)
[16:30] <rickspencer3> didrocks, ack
[16:31] <rickspencer3> fwiw, it happens every day when I upgrade with update-manager
[16:31] <seb128> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2013-02-26
[16:31] <seb128> we all saw each others last week
[16:31] <seb128> so I don't think we need to go around the team this week
[16:31]  * rickspencer3 backs away quietly
[16:31] <seb128> does anyone has a topic/something to discuss?
[16:32] <Laney> yeah I think I should postpone my WIs on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-deprecate-language-selector until we move on with gsd etc - do you agree?
[16:33] <seb128> Laney, +1, I let them in case you wanted to look at bit more into it, but I don't see that happening any time soon
[16:33] <seb128> especially not until we resolve the new ibus situation
[16:33] <Laney> exactly
[16:34] <seb128> Laney, thanks ;-)
[16:34] <seb128> other topics?
[16:34] <seb128> ok, seems not, end of meeting
[16:34] <didrocks> nothing from me, reported everything on the notes
[16:34] <seb128> thanks everyone ;-)
[16:34] <didrocks> thanks everyone :)
[16:34] <cyphermox> thanks
[16:35] <jbicha> seb128: apparently ibus integration is nicer with g-s-d 3.7.90 but of course the new version has its own issues...
[16:36] <seb128> jbicha, well, base of the issue is ibus 1.5, not GNOME
[16:36] <seb128> jbicha, no GNOME update is going to magically fix ibus, especially not for !GNOME desktops
[16:37] <Sweetshark> seb128, the master of the three minute meeting!
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> oh, i missed the team meeting?
[16:37] <seb128> Sweetshark, german efficiency! ;-)
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> sorry, glued to pandaboard again today
[16:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, we had a week long meeting so we made that one short
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> hi random_nickname
[16:37] <seb128> chrisccoulson, btw did you send your summary for last week? ;-)
[16:37] <jbicha> well per-window mode is back I believe
[16:37] <chrisccoulson> seb128, oh, i'll send it in a bit. sorry ;)
[16:37] <seb128> jbicha, btw please stop uploading GNOME 3.7 packages
[16:38] <seb128> chrisccoulson, thanks
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> who's mdeslaur trolling? ;)
[16:38] <seb128> jbicha, we decided to not go for unstable versions this cycle
[16:39] <jbicha> seb128: I was done; everything else is riskier
[16:39] <seb128> jbicha, we can decide on a case by case but 1- when 3.8 is released, e.g when those are stable and not beta, 2- with a team discussion first
[16:40] <seb128> jbicha, ok, I started seeing stuff like vinagre gnome-calculator etc, I was wondering how far you were planning to go
[16:40] <jbicha> seb128: I thought after GNOME freeze but before Ubuntu Feature Freeze was a good time
[16:41] <Laney> maybe we should wait with cogl then ...
[16:41] <jbicha> bug 1132119
[16:41] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1132119 in cogl (Ubuntu) "Upgrade to cogl 1.13.4" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1132119
[16:42] <seb128> Laney, cogl is fine
[16:42] <seb128> Laney, it's a stack part and mostly not impacting Unity
[16:43] <ricotz> seb128, hi, please grab this is you have time https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging/+sourcepub/3000802/+listing-archive-extra
[16:43] <Laney> hmm ok
[16:43] <seb128> ricotz, thanks
[16:43] <seb128> Laney, well, my feeling, I prefer to have that transition out of the way early rather than late
[16:43] <Laney> yeah I don't mind taking it
[16:43] <Laney> especially if jbicha will do the work :-)
[16:43] <ricotz> +1 for cogl
[16:43] <seb128> Laney, it's fine to take a few hits, I just don't want to stack a tons of unstable versions and having no time to deal with the mess then
[16:44] <Laney> luckily I just finished looking at it
[16:44] <Laney> so ... uploaded
[16:44] <Laney> happy NEWing!
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> man, this is a pain
[16:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, back to binutils?
[16:47] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, hi
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> seb128, not yet. this one crashes after main, and so i'm now battling with a lack of debug symbols (for some reason, the resulting chromium binary is missing some sections that are useful to gdb)
[16:48] <chrisccoulson> i need to figure out that first ;)
[16:48] <ricotz> chrisccoulson, please keep mozjs17 in mind which is suppose to get a release soon -- https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing/+sourcepub/2994775/+listing-archive-extra
[16:53] <qengho> Mine:
[16:53] <qengho> * sprinty things. Chromium cross-compiling with multiarch! Tiny android app work.
[16:53] <qengho> * Looked into a Python sys.executable bug yesterday that broke my PPA build scripts.
[16:53] <qengho> * Releasing new stable of chromium today. The beta PPA came in handy! No delay.
[16:53] <qengho> EOF
[16:55] <seb128> qengho, thanks ;-) we skipped the summaries since we worked together last week
[16:55] <qengho> seb128: Yep.  Still, that misses yesterday.
[16:55] <seb128> qengho, but nice to see the chromium stable coming
[16:56] <seb128> yeah
[16:56] <chrisccoulson> qengho, i got chromium to build on my pandaboard btw, but i needed these extra fixes: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5568114/ and http://paste.ubuntu.com/5568116/
[16:56] <Laney> jbicha: you don't fancy sponsoring the SRUs for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1128804 ?
[16:56] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1128804 in mutter "Update mutter/gnome-shell to 3.6.3" [Medium,Confirmed]
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> (although the second one actually fixes a runtime failure)
[16:57] <chrisccoulson> and i did this with the arm-neon patch too: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5568110/ ;)
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> it's a shame it still doesn't run though ;)
[16:58] <chrisccoulson> (well, the main browser process runs fine. but no renderers)
[17:00] <jbicha> Laney: I could but as far as uploader endorsements go, I was thinking it might be good to have someone else do it
[17:00] <qengho> chrisccoulson: It won't help your lack of symbols, but this may come in handy: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxDebugging
[17:00] <chrisccoulson> qengho, thanks
[17:01] <Laney> well as you already reviewed the same packages for raring it seems like a slight waste to have someone else do it
[17:01] <jbicha> Laney: ok I can do it then
[17:02] <Laney> if you want this chap to have a range of sponsors then leave his next fix in the queue for someone else :-)
[17:02] <jbicha> ok
[17:03] <Laney> cheers
[17:17] <chrisccoulson> qengho, oh, i've not added you to https://launchpad.net/~chromium-team yet?
[17:18] <chrisccoulson> just done that now :)
[17:21] <Sweetshark> shouldnt this work: bzr branch debianlp:experimental/mspub mspub ?
[17:22] <Sweetshark> disregard that.
[17:22]  * Sweetshark is being stupid.
[17:32] <rickspencer3> seb128, I was looking in my xsessions-errors file and saw this:
[17:32] <rickspencer3> compiz (core) - Info: Unity is not supported by your hardware. Enabling software rendering instead (slow).
[17:32] <rickspencer3> compiz (core) - Info: Unity is fully supported by your hardware.
[17:35] <seb128> rickspencer3, don't worry about it, seems a buggy debug output
[17:39] <seb128> yeah, unity stack landing!
[17:39] <didrocks> \o/
[17:40] <didrocks> *finally* :)
[17:43] <chrisccoulson> will it break things?
[17:44] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: why would it? we are below the threshold for our integration tests :)
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, never heard the saying "if it ain't broke, break it!"?
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> oh, wait......
[17:45] <chrisccoulson> i got that wrong ;)
[17:46] <seb128> chrisccoulson, there is compiz in there, of course it will break something
[17:46] <seb128> ;-)
[17:46] <chrisccoulson> lol
[17:47] <didrocks> still will work better than closing and reopening thunderbird here :p
[17:49]  * seb128 sits in the middle with popcorn
[17:49] <chrisccoulson> heh
[18:04] <Sweetshark> seb128, bdrung, mterry: could one of you review http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bjoern-michaelsen/+junk/libmspub-hardening-no-fortify/revision/4 ?
[18:04] <Sweetshark> (for bug 1124082) ?
[18:04] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1124082 in libmspub (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmspub" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124082
[18:04] <chrisccoulson> hey, nice screenshot in http://dbaron.org/log/20130225-removing-prefixes ;)
[18:05] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it's a little bit like "do you want to test if the site only support webkit? :p"
[18:05] <seb128> Sweetshark, do you want to multiarch the lib? in which case you need a multi-arch: foreign as well no?
[18:06] <seb128> chrisccoulson, ;-)
[18:07]  * didrocks waves good evening
[18:09] <chrisccoulson> i bet the lack of debug symbols in chromium is another gold bug :P
[18:10] <jbicha> uh, UDS is the weekend after next? http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/26/ubuntu-developer-summits-now-online-and-every-three-months/
[18:12] <seb128> jbicha, seems like it is ;-)
[18:23] <Sweetshark> seb128: I dont want to multiarch the lib, I want to fortify it -- the easy way to do that is to go to dh 9 -- which unfortunately brings multiarch with it. but yeah, will add the multiarch-foo to debian/control
[18:24] <seb128> Sweetshark, oh ok, I misunderstood your "* adds multiarch support" changelog comment
[18:30] <tkamppeter> As we have switched now to rolling release and online-UDS every three months, does this mean that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule is invalid now and no FF on March 7?
[18:32] <Sweetshark> seb128: hmm, given that I would need to test 'should be allowed to satisfy the dependencies of a package of a different arch from itself', I would like to even leave that out as the only client of mspub AFAIK currently is LibreOffice (where I really dont bother for multiarch). Once there are actually other clients of the lib, one could test for it and then add the Multi-Arch field proper ...
[18:32] <jbicha> tkamppeter: rolling release isn't official yet, is it?
[18:33] <seb128> Sweetshark, works for me, maybe change the .install to keep installing to /usr/lib then?
[18:33] <seb128> Sweetshark, e.g usr/lib/*/lib*.so.* /usr/lib
[18:33] <seb128> same for the -dev
[18:34] <seb128> tkamppeter, what rolling release?
[18:40] <dobey> jbicha: actually, it would be next tuesday/wednesday (exactly 1 week from today)
[18:42] <Sweetshark> seb128: hum. is there a policy for that? If I get this right, it doesnt hurt to have the lib in the new (arch-specific) location, it makes testing for actual multi-arch usecases easier, but without the declaration of Multi-Arch in control, dpkg/apt will not try some funny multiarch dep resolution with it that was never tested.
[18:42] <jbicha> oops looked at April, well that's difficult timing for community participation
[18:44] <seb128> Sweetshark, good point, I don't know
[18:48] <dobey> jbicha: lol, it's difficult timing for employee participation too :)
[18:52] <dobey> guess i'll have to go hang out at kenvandine's house, and drink all his beer instead
[18:53] <dobey> he's probably one of the closest people to me
[18:59] <czajkowski> dobey: hard life!
[18:59] <czajkowski> :)
[19:00] <Sweetshark> dobey: good point.
[19:00] <czajkowski> jbicha: like we said in the other channel, timezones are pesky and it's never gonna suit everyone, but having it online does mean more people can get involved, or watch the videos afterwards
[19:01]  * Sweetshark will then invade asac home as UDS-replacement, before he finds out where I live.
[19:09] <BigWhale> I like popey's idea. About moving around the house with your laptop after each session.
[19:11]  * Laney needs to find that fix didrocks posted for the G+ hangout pluging thingy
[19:11] <jbicha> dobey: yeah, it like should we focus on finalizing last-minute features because of the impending freeze or participate in the scrambled-together-at-the-last-minute online UDS thing?
[19:14] <Sweetshark> BigWhale: I wonder how to simulate the "too much food, too little sleep and finish it off with a Ubuflu" conditions that make UDSes so unique ...
[19:17] <jbicha> Sweetshark: do like the Community Team and have a 24-hour G+ hangout complete with a big bbq?
[19:19] <Sweetshark> jbicha: that might work
[19:19] <jcastro> jbicha: the entire plan all along was to make the entire project suffer like we did!
[19:20] <BigWhale> A constant video stream of Jono's bbq. I wonder if we can simulate the smell ...
[19:23] <bdrung> Sweetshark: i have much to complain about your proposed libmspub changes.
[19:23] <bdrung> first, we have 0.0.4-1ubuntu2 in the archive, which should have hardening enabled
[19:24] <bdrung> second, adding an hardening-no-fortify-functions override makes no sense if you want to build the package with hardening
[19:26] <Laney> I think he found that the lintian tag was a false positive
[19:27] <sarnold> bdrung: hrm, I think in 1ubuntu2 fortify wasn't turned on for the library and stack protection wasn't turned on for one of the executables.
[19:27] <Laney> there was some scrollback about this
[19:30] <cyphermox> Laney: did you find didrock's post after all?
[19:30] <Laney> I didn't look, but it was on his block IIRC
[19:30] <cyphermox> yeah
[19:30] <cyphermox> http://blog.didrocks.fr/post/Getting-sound-working-during-a-hangout-in-raring
[19:31] <Laney> cheers
[19:31]  * Laney is playing borderland atm ;-)
[19:31] <cyphermox> lucky you
[19:31]  * cyphermox looking forward to playing some more minecraft tonight
[19:31] <BigWhale> Last time our LoCo had a hangout my ISP's modem was freezing after 1 minute into Hangout session. It was driving me crazy.
[19:32] <BigWhale> I hope this is fixed now. :/
[19:32] <cyphermox> I signed up for trying to fix something in NM I thought would take 5 minutes, turns out to not being that easy after all ;)
[19:32] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, chromium actually builds surprisingly fast on my laptop
[19:33] <Sweetshark> bdrung: hah, indeed I missed that update. please consider to link to the relevant bug 1124082 next time when updating ...
[19:33] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1124082 in libmspub (Ubuntu) "[MIR] libmspub" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1124082
[19:34] <Sweetshark> bdrung: I was discussing this with mterry in London for the MIR while you sneaked by the update ;)
[19:34] <qengho> chrisccoulson: yeah, it's not so bad with decent IO/
[19:34] <Sweetshark> bdrung: anyway dh9 should solve the fortify issue, so the MIR is unblocked -- deleting my branch then.
[19:36] <mterry> Sweetshark, we don't need your branch?
[19:37] <Sweetshark> mterry: no
[19:37] <mterry> Sweetshark, is latest packaging using dh9 and hardening?
[19:38] <bdrung> mterry: yes
[19:38] <Sweetshark> bdrung: actually you _did_ write that in the bug, sorry.
[19:38] <mterry> bdrung, awesome.  let me confirm and comment in MIR then
[19:39] <Sweetshark> bdrung: mterry and me sat in the same room and discussed why this was still on incomplete. We probably missed out the comment because we could discuss f2f and thus had less of a look on the bug itself.
[19:40] <Sweetshark> bdrung: sorry again for that one.
[19:40] <bdrung> Sweetshark: no problem :)
[19:41] <sarnold> mterry: while discussing this, thanks for the explanation re: MIR and test suites. :)
[19:42] <seb128> dobey, going to kenvandine's house to drink beer for UDS seems like a plan
[19:42] <mterry> sarnold, 'course  :)
[19:43] <mterry> I'll road-trip to kenvandine's
[19:43] <jbicha> seb128: +1 :)
[19:47] <BigWhale> mterry, for some of us it would be a voyage not a road trip :>
[19:48] <mterry> BigWhale, kenvandine's beer is worth it!
[19:49] <BigWhale> :))
[19:50] <kenvandine> sounds good to me!
[19:55] <bdrung> sarnold: looking at the build log, fortify was passed to every command. therefore i assume that the missing fortify is a false positive.
[19:56] <bdrung> sarnold: -fstack-protector is used for the executables
[19:56] <seb128> bdrung, Sweetshark you mean?
[19:56] <sarnold> bdrung: thank you
[19:56] <sarnold> seb128: no, I had questions/complaints :)
[19:56] <seb128> oh, ok
[20:01] <bdrung> sarnold: i have commented the bug. please note the reviewed version in the future, please.
[20:04] <sarnold> bdrung: ack, thanks :)
[20:04] <dupondje> After booting, 50% of the time gui fails to start :( lightdm stop && lightdm start fixes it ... any idea's? Known bug?
[20:05] <mterry> Sweetshark, bdrung: compiling the latest libmspub (-1ubuntu2), I still get "libmspub-0.0-0: hardening-no-fortify-functions usr/lib/libmspub-0.0.so.0.0.4"
[20:05] <seb128> dupondje, bug #873495 I guess
[20:05] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 873495 in lightdm (Ubuntu Precise) "LightDM fails to start after nvidia-current or nvidia-current-updates are installed (upstart job issue)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/873495
[20:05] <seb128> or similar
[20:05] <seb128> mterry, ok, update-manager is still misbehaving for me
[20:06] <bdrung> mterry: which lintian version do you use?
[20:06] <mterry> bdrung, 2.5.11ubuntu1
[20:06] <mterry> seb128, which way this time?
[20:06]  * didrocks really waves good evening
[20:06] <seb128> mterry, I get the "you have sources not auth" stuff, I do "ok", then I get the list, click "upgrade", then it gives me a "can't upgrade, needs unverified package"
[20:07] <mterry> seb128, hrm.  Can you file a new bug?
[20:07] <seb128> mterry, can do
[20:07] <mterry> seb128, though I'm not sure what the right behavior is there.  Just asking the user if it's OK is one of those 'train-the-user-to-click-OK' issues
[20:08] <seb128> mterry, yeah, I don't even know why I'm getting those, I added the sources through software-properties
[20:08] <bdrung> mterry: as commented in the bug: it's a false positive. lintian 2.5.12~git20130218 won't complain about it any more.
[20:08] <seb128> it feels like something should suggest you to try to fetch the keys from the ppa again or something
[20:08] <mterry> bdrung, OK, cool
[20:10] <Sweetshark> mterry, bdrung: I a/ looked at the compile commands issued by that autotools mess and the had the fortify switches b/ used http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=673112#40 as advised by seb128 c/ found memcpy, memset and one other call with that d/ grepped for those in the source, but only found memcpy -- exclusively inside libtool
[20:10] <ubot2> Debian bug 673112 in lintian "lintian: hardening-no-stackprotector check has many false positives" [Normal,Fixed]
[20:11] <mterry> Sweetshark, cool
[20:11] <mterry> Sweetshark, I approved the MIR
[20:11] <dupondje> seb128: no nvidia installed. And running Raring :)
[20:12] <Sweetshark> mterry: AFAIK thats reasonably save, if the security guys have a better way to get about with it, Im all ears.
[20:13] <seb128> dupondje, it seems like more a timing/upstart job issue, the title is misleading
[21:37] <chrisccoulson> oh, man, we actually compile chromium without "-g". that will be why there's no symbols. we don't pass CFLAGS to the build environment, and the build system only gives you symbols if it's a debug build or if you build with breakpad enabled
[21:37] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[22:01] <asac> Sweetshark: :)
[22:04] <RAOF> chrisccoulson: Funky!
[22:17] <chrisccoulson> bah, build is much slower with debug symbols. i take my earlier comments back now :P
[22:18] <RAOF> *Much* slower? I thought it was already multi-hour!
[22:21] <TheMuso> Hey RAOF, hope you've recovered and had an uneventful flight.
[22:21] <RAOF> TheMuso: You too!
[22:21] <RAOF> I'm mostly recovered; Zoë makes it a little bit difficult to tell :)
[22:21] <RAOF> The flight back was a tiny bit bumpier than usual, but otherwise uneventful.
[22:22] <TheMuso> Thanks, after 2 early nights, I'm feeling recovered. Both my flights were quite turbulent.
[22:23] <TheMuso> And we literally hit a bad patch right in the middle of the first meal service on the second flight from Singapore.
[22:23] <TheMuso> It was quite literally a roller coaster ride for a couple of minutes there.
[22:24] <TheMuso> Quite fun if you are properly strapped in...
[22:25] <RAOF> Not my cup of tea :)
[22:27] <TheMuso> Well it wasn't really that bad, but yeah certainly not smooth.
[22:27] <bcurtiswx> hmm, i wonder what package hates empathy
[23:04] <jbicha> Laney: could you rebuild clutter-gtk, clutter-gst & clutter-gst-2.0 for me?
[23:16] <TheMuso> jbicha_: At the rate I'm going with the pilot queue here, I may not have anything to do in a while... So I'll take care of those rebuilds for you if I get a chance.
[23:23] <jbicha_> TheMuso: thanks