[05:55] <pabs3> infinity: lets discuss here. the 12.04.2 alternate installer seems to have dropped the ability to preseed base-installer/kernel/image to something that is release-agnostic, the only options (this is for precise) now are linux-generic-lts-quantal linux-image-generic-lts-quantal and linux-image-3.5.0-23-generic
[05:55] <pabs3> we were preseeding linux-server before, which works with 12.04 and 12.04.1
[05:55] <infinity> pabs3: linux-server should still work...
[05:56] <infinity> pabs3: Oh, do you mean the ISO?
[05:56] <pabs3> yeah, we remaster the iso
[05:56] <infinity> pabs3: If you're remastering the ISO, remaster it with the right d-i bits.
[05:57] <infinity> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/precise-updates/main/installer-amd64/current/images/
[05:57] <infinity> pabs3: ^-- Note /cdrom/ and /quantal-cdrom/
[05:58] <infinity> pabs3: The first uses the 3.2.0 kernel (what you'd get with linux-server or linux-generic), the second uses the HWE kernel (linux-generic-lts-quantal)
[05:59] <pabs3> sounds a lot more complicated than what we are currently doing (preseed file plus adjusting some names)
[05:59] <infinity> Well, you could keep using the 12.04.1 media, if you don't want to actually remaster completely.
[06:00] <pabs3> yeah, thats the current solution
[06:00] <infinity> Honestly, I'm shocked to find anyone uses ISOs instead of PXE for this sort of thing. :P
[06:00]  * pabs3 too :)
[06:00] <infinity> The world never ceases to amaze me.
[06:02] <pabs3> that said, we rely on non-techs to do installs at customer sites, a CD works better than having to add install infra at every install site
[06:02] <infinity> Yeah, that's fair for one-offs.
[06:02] <infinity> I was picturing a more datacetery sort of thing.
[06:02] <infinity> Where I still hear some people put CDs into CD drives.
[06:02] <infinity> And then I die a little inside.
[06:03] <pabs3> :)
[06:04] <infinity> Anyhow, remastering with different d-i bits and different packages isn't enormously difficult, but it's also not entirely trivial.  So, using the old media is certainly the simpler way to go, and it's not like upgrading at the end of the install is a huge deal.
[06:04] <infinity> Gets lost in the noise in 3 months anyway, when there've been a bunch of SRUs past .2
[06:04] <pabs3> its a bit slow on ADSL connections but yeah, not a huge deal
[06:05] <infinity> Oh, right.  Australia.
[06:05] <infinity> Maybe I can ship you some CDs with SRUs on them.
[06:05] <infinity> Or possibly some DAT tapes.
[06:05] <pabs3> :)
[06:06] <pabs3> will stick with 12.04.1 media until the next release upgrade
[06:09] <infinity> pabs3: The "what did I do now?" comment was that you said something about our kernel practices, just as I'd been in the process of urgent kernel security releases for the second time in a week.
[06:10] <infinity> pabs3: So, I was somewhat curious if I'd just broken your computer or something. :P
[06:10] <pabs3> I see :)
[06:11] <pabs3> I got a bit confused at a precise iso talking about quantal kernel images, its understandable now
[06:15] <infinity> It gets so much scarier.  There's also a full backport of the X/mesa/dri stack from quantal in 12.04.2
[06:15] <infinity> Because this was the only sane(?) way to support new hardware.
[06:16] <infinity> So, yeah, people who want the old kernel and the old X stack should just stick with 12.04.1 forever, or master their own media.
[06:16] <infinity> Or netboot.
[07:40] <hychen> Does iso-scan of ubuntu-installer  support NTFS filesystem?
[10:21] <psivaa> cjwatson: Reported bug 1133199 for tomcat server installation failures, due to unmet dependencies. Would be helpful if you could reassign it to the server team if appropriate
[10:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1133199 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "Unmet dependancies fail to install raring tomcat server " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1133199
[10:36] <cjwatson> psivaa: sure, fixing
[10:36] <psivaa> cjwatson: thanks
[10:38] <xnox> cjwatson: i see.
[10:38] <xnox> thanks.
[10:38] <cjwatson> psivaa: in general various things are broken today - I suggest not bothering to report bugs about individual image weirdnesses
[10:38] <cjwatson> (for today)
[10:39] <psivaa> cjwatson: ack, thanks
[10:39] <cjwatson> looks like I'm going to be spending my morning auditing differences and respinning
[10:40] <cjwatson> (I ported another chunk of cdimage to unit-tested Python; this should improve things in the future but there are some temporary teething troubles)
[10:41] <cjwatson> in particular the bridge between the bits of cdimage that are still in shell and the bits that are now in Python is a bit wonky
[10:42] <cjwatson> converting it all at once would have been easier in that sense but would also have been logistically impossible to land :)