[00:06] <rick_h_>  snap-l woot!
[00:37] <snap-l> Yeah, happy happy.
[01:49] <snap-l> Yay Ceph Talk for March MUG Meeting
[02:00] <rick_h_> woot
[03:43] <greg-g> cool, we're making use of Ceph here
[03:44] <greg-g> you know, it feels good to work for a legit tech company now ;)
[03:44] <snap-l> Heh
[03:44] <snap-l> AS opposed to "OMG, please don't screw things up or we'll be screwed"?
[03:45] <greg-g> basically, and more :)
[04:19] <jrwren> what you using ceph for?
[04:20]  * greg-g shrugs
[04:20] <greg-g> :)
[04:22] <greg-g> jrwren: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Media_storage
[04:45] <jrwren> ty
[04:45] <jrwren> so only media files.
[04:45] <jrwren> damn, was hoping for everything :)
[04:48] <snap-l> heh
[12:52] <rick_h_> morning
[12:54] <snap-l> mornng
[12:55] <rick_h_> got the shovels out and ready
[12:56] <rick_h_> come on snow!!!!
[12:56] <rick_h_> that radar looks pretty with all those colors :P
[13:01] <rick_h_> bah, sounds like it's moved to later in the day
[14:09] <snap-l> Again: I have a board meeting. The later the better. :)
[14:53] <jrwren> anyone have thoughts on how libvirt and ganeti fit together? or don't they? are they competing? complementary?
[14:54] <jrwren> nvm. ganeti is google's non-libvirt
[14:55] <rick_h_> yea, not really read much on ganeti but looking now it seems competing to an extent
[15:19] <jrwren> just saw it referenced in that how we use ceph post by jcastro
[15:21] <jcastro> do they use ganeti?
[15:22] <jcastro> jrwren: I am lunching with sellers this week yo
[15:23] <jrwren> they support it.
[15:23] <jrwren> ganeti can point directly to rados for storage.
[15:23] <jrwren> http://ceph.com/community/ceph-comes-to-synnefo-and-ganeti/  linked from your http://ceph.com/dev-notes/deploying-ceph-with-juju/
[15:23] <jrwren> !!! Have fun with Sellers.
[15:23] <jrwren> make him wine you and dine you :)
[15:25] <jcastro> oh, in the intro
[15:25] <jcastro> I totally missed that link
[15:27] <snap-l> jcastro: Did you see on G+ that we're having Patrick McGarry talk about Ceph in March?
[15:27] <snap-l> Apparently he'll be doing a demo using something called "Juju"
[15:27] <jrwren> lol
[15:28] <rick_h_> hah
[15:28] <snap-l> I swear, people must think we have verbal ticks whenever we have conversations
[15:28] <snap-l> "ceph comes to synneinfo an ganeti using juju deploy"
[15:29] <snap-l> berp de derp derp
[15:32] <jcastro> hah yeah
[15:33] <jrwren> ceph could be wonderful.
[15:34] <jrwren> a radosgw s3 bridge could be sweet which mirrors your radosgw content to s3.
[15:34] <jrwren> although I guess you could do that app level easily enough
[15:52] <rick_h_> very cool, pushing Go to the limits and cool to see A2 hosting on there as signed on to support it http://r.bmark.us/u/17752200544930
[15:54] <snap-l> Nice!
[15:56] <snap-l> x10Hosting <- Wonder if that's web over powerlines.
[15:56] <snap-l> hey turn a04 on
[15:56] <snap-l> heyu, rather
[16:08] <jcastro> rick_h_: man, railgun looks badass
[16:14] <jcastro> rick_h_: filed a bug on it for a charm
[16:21] <jrwren>  the CSP v. threaded C++ comment shows a fundamental lack of understanding by either the code author, or the article author
[16:39] <greg-g> man, bugzilla is annoying
[16:40] <greg-g> I can't believe I'm going to say it, but, LP spoiled me :)
[16:44] <snap-l> Bugzilla is when you care more about reporting than filing bugs
[16:45] <snap-l> And dare I say it: more than fixing bugs. *cough*
[16:45] <greg-g> or getting bugs backported to a specific release, apparently
[16:45] <greg-g> fucking tags and shit
[16:48] <snap-l> Yeah, Bugzilla reminded me of the IT forms from Ford under Remedy
[16:49] <snap-l> Lots of fields that may or may not apply, but supported one workflow that (god help you) you better follow or bad juju occurs.
[16:53] <greg-g> yeah
[16:53] <jrwren> zomg Remedy
[16:53] <greg-g> and you have to remember so much...
[16:53]  * jrwren has flashbackes
[16:54] <snap-l> jrwren: Supported some of the patches that Ford did to that system using Perl.
[16:57] <jrwren> i only had to use it.
[16:57] <jrwren> that was bad enough
[16:57] <rick_h_> 50% off http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920027072.do
[17:25] <rick_h_> shuttleworth on stage http://www.mobileworldlive.com/mobile-world-live-tv-live-stream
[17:30] <snap-l> I want this guys hair
[17:31] <rick_h_> http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/48346:4?interactiveMapLayer=radar&baseMap=r&zoom=7 lol, ever feel like a wave is coming at you?
[17:31] <snap-l> Not looking forward to this.
[17:32] <jcastro> hah yeah
[17:32] <jcastro> it's raining here right now
[17:32] <rick_h_> yea, it's showing 33 here, hoping we get just full snow
[17:32] <rick_h_> but sounds like rain for a couple of hours until it turns to snow :(
[17:32] <snap-l> Yeah, that's how it's supposed to start
[17:33] <snap-l> so it'll be a nice wet sheet to freeze under a pile of snow
[17:33] <rick_h_> yea, nothing like a solid ice base layer to help out the shoveling later
[17:33] <jcastro> hah yeah
[17:34] <jrwren> any reprepro users?
[17:34] <snap-l> jrwren: No. What's that?
[17:34] <jrwren> very nice repo mirror tool
[17:34] <jrwren> but i can't figure quite how to get it to filter the way I want.
[17:34] <rick_h_> no, when I did a deb mirror I just did full deb mirror
[17:35] <jrwren> I want an ubuntu mirror minus x11,games,video,kde,gnome Sections
[17:35] <jrwren> and then I'd also like to filter some packages out too
[17:35] <jcastro> have you seen ubumirror in the archive?
[17:35] <jrwren> no
[17:36] <jcastro> https://launchpad.net/ubumirror
[17:36] <jcastro> I don't know the specifics, but I would start there
[17:36] <jcastro> or just set up a proxy and you'd only ever mirror on demand
[17:36] <jrwren> thanks.
[17:36] <snap-l> jcastro: BTW: Oakland's mirror is behind
[17:36] <snap-l> severely.
[17:37] <jrwren> in the proxy case, I'm worried about stale things getting deleted that I actually want to keep around
[17:37] <jrwren> yeah, ubumirror is not what I want.
[17:37] <jrwren> no partial support
[17:38] <rick_h_> what's the use case? I tried the 'mirror what I use' but then it's basically always slow when I use it since i'm not loading 100 machines with the same package sets
[17:39] <jrwren> use case is datacenter with lots of ubuntu servers.
[17:39] <jrwren> and I don't want to waste space
[17:39] <rick_h_> meh, in a DC, how much space are you talking?
[17:39] <jrwren> i mean really, I don't want terabytes of gnome/kde stuff when I'll always be server only
[17:39] <snap-l> jrwren: What's the climate for creating an official mirror?
[17:40] <jrwren> we don't have bandwidth to spare
[17:40] <rick_h_> jrwren: all 64bit?
[17:40] <jrwren> yes, all 64bit
[17:40] <jrwren> only amd64/main
[17:41] <rick_h_> I wonder how big it is. I just find something saying full mirror was around 248GB, but I bet that's both 32/64bit
[17:41] <jrwren> even if I only save 1/4 of that, it is worth it IMO. for moving the VM around, backup, etc.
[17:42] <rick_h_> yea, gotcha. I'm just the guy that mirrors all of pypi so wrong guy to talk to.
[17:43] <jrwren> rofl.
[17:43] <jrwren> that shit is NUTS
[17:43] <rick_h_> it's 30GB, who cares. pip install anything on the airplane ftw :)
[17:43] <snap-l> jrwren: Let me introduce you to rick_h_, who never does anything by halves.
[17:44] <jrwren> pypi mirror is that small?
[17:44] <rick_h_> hmm, up to 45gb right now
[17:44] <jrwren> still, that is small enough, we should really have one here.
[17:44] <rick_h_> on my disk
[17:44] <rick_h_> yea, <3 it
[17:44] <rick_h_> plus when someone does something stupid like remove an old .tar.gz I pull it out of my repo anyway bwuhahahahaha
[17:44] <snap-l> jrwren: yeah, all of the real code is on github. They just put stubs in there to do curl.
[17:45] <snap-l> Oh wait, that's Ruby.
[17:45] <rick_h_> yea, those packages need to diaf
[17:45] <jrwren> mirror github
[17:45] <rick_h_> now you're talking
[17:45] <snap-l> git clone github
[17:46] <rick_h_> tar czf github.tar.gz git://
[17:46] <jcastro> jrwren: a full mirror isn't as big as you'd think
[17:46] <jcastro> it's like, way under a TB
[17:47] <jcastro> iirc at OU it was like 300GB and we were carrying i386 and a bunch of other crap
[17:47] <rick_h_> right, that's what I mean. set aside 500GB and just always have everythign you need and pull the internet plug without worry
[17:47] <jcastro> though, I prefer to just run squid-deb-proxy and set an apt config (though probably without zeroconf in a server setting)
[17:47] <rick_h_> nothing worse than needing one thing that's not in the bucket when you need it
[17:48] <jcastro> yeah, but in a server setting you have the machines cronning the updates
[17:48] <jcastro> you only need one machine to go before yours.
[17:48] <jcastro> though that doesn't help when you want like 34503984GB of eclipse and no one else has done that yet
[17:49] <jcastro> but IME, the machine after the first kickstart sucks, after that, it's mostly good
[17:49] <jrwren> we have a list of concerns a mile long when it comes to this.
[17:49] <jrwren> we know what we want. we aren't sure best way to get it.
[17:49] <jcastro> are you coming to lunch?
[17:49] <jcastro> wait, you work with sellers right?
[17:50] <jrwren> yes.
[17:50] <jrwren> he didn't invite me, so I guess not.
[17:50] <jcastro> lol
[18:02] <rick_h_> man, this is actually kind of interestnig to listen to these three discuss the phone platforms
[18:02] <rick_h_> err, interesting
[18:02] <rick_h_> I keep thinking I'll just turn it off...but nope
[18:06] <jcastro> yeah
[18:06] <jcastro> I know
[18:22] <jrwren> for the record, reprepro is awesome. I needed to learn that , is the and operator in the stupid deb selection language
[18:22] <jrwren> | and , instead of | and &. strange at first, but i'll admit it isn't bad
[18:25] <rick_h_> coolio
[18:25] <rick_h_> love it when taking 20min to tinker pays off
[18:26] <rick_h_> jcastro: gotta say Mark wins the keyword wars. Afterwards everyone is using his phrasing "lustful experiences..." lol
[18:26] <jcastro> hah
[18:26] <jcastro> the commenters are right though
[18:26] <jcastro> a bunch of things left unanswered, etc.
[18:27] <rick_h_> yep, but I think some of that comes to the platforms 'secret sauce'
[18:27] <jrwren> why does open source need secret sauce?
[18:27] <rick_h_> but I love how Mark is like "our research shows..." and the firefox lady is "well our research shows"
[18:27] <rick_h_> jrwren: because they're products in the process of defining, not everythign is set/done yet
[18:27] <jrwren> i'm just really glad we are finally getting some good alternatives.
[18:27] <jcastro> my research shows I am sick of shitty phones
[18:27] <jrwren> ios and android are too closed and suck.
[18:27] <jcastro> and I want a good alternative
[18:27] <rick_h_> lol
[18:46] <rick_h_> lol weather rss ftw: Current Conditions : ..., Light Ice Pellets
[18:49] <snap-l> Ugh
[18:57] <jrwren> me at work: "is that a 10Gig switch"   :)   got a cool answer.
[18:57] <jrwren> and damn if we won't be going fast as hell with that thing
[18:59] <rick_h_> very cool
[19:23] <greg-g> No more in-person UDSs? wow
[19:24] <dzho> oh?
[19:24] <rick_h_> greg-g: nope, hangouts ftw
[19:24] <greg-g> snap-l: you on community-announce list? if so, plz forward to -us-mi list
[19:24] <greg-g> rick_h_: or ftl, to be determined :)
[19:25] <greg-g> rick_h_: will there still be Canonical "all hands" (for some definition of "all") in the future?
[19:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, definitely. Meant more cool that hangouts have come along
[19:25] <jcastro> greg-g: there will be team sprints still
[19:25] <rick_h_> greg-g: I'm not sure. I know there are still sprints, but not sure about a real all hands like that.
[19:25] <greg-g> yeah, we use em here a lot for meetings, but hose are mostly 2-5 people
[19:25] <jcastro> but we haven't had a full all hands since Spain
[19:25] <greg-g> gotcha
[19:25] <greg-g> oh, really? huh
[19:25] <greg-g> good to know
[19:25] <jcastro> G+ every 3 months instead
[19:26] <jcastro> so we'll be more agile too
[19:26] <greg-g> cool
[19:26] <greg-g> bbiab, lunch meeting
[19:27] <snap-l> greg-g: Oh nuts... I think I deleted that. :)
[19:29] <snap-l> Just forwarded.
[19:29] <snap-l> This is awesome
[19:30] <snap-l> ALthough there go my dreams of ever being a part of the Ubuntu all-stars
[19:30] <snap-l> Les Sob
[19:33] <rick_h_> heh, well at least I made 3 days of a UDS before they were killed off
[19:35] <snap-l> It makes more sense, honestly
[19:35] <snap-l> It'll be interesting to see how the Global Jam works out this weekend
[19:41] <dzho> nice way to get google in there are essential infrastructure
[19:42] <dzho> s/are/as/
[19:44] <snap-l> Would you prefer Skype? :)
[19:44] <dzho> heh
[19:45] <rick_h_> no multi user video on skype for linux :(
[19:47] <snap-l> rick_h_: Snark begets snark. :)
[19:47] <rick_h_> :P
[19:47] <rick_h_> snap-l: no snow yet :(
[19:48] <widox> lovely freezing rain here :-/
[19:48] <jrwren> assuming the output of this command is correct, I'll have an 8.5GB mirror :)
[19:48] <jrwren> reprepro -V --noskipold checkupdate | grep ^Size | awk '{sum+=$2}END{print sum}'
[19:49] <jrwren> no java, no kde, no gnome, no qt, no gtk, no games, no sound, no tex, no video, no x11 makes for a small ubunt u:)
[19:50] <jrwren> hell, I could fit it on a DL DVD
[19:50] <jrwren> tempting :)
[19:50] <rick_h_> I remember when I would install debian from their little 50mb cd
[19:50] <rick_h_> used to love that
[19:50] <jrwren> yup
[19:51] <jrwren> or netinst from 2 floppy boot
[19:51] <jrwren> LLOVED that
[19:51] <dzho> rootboot, huzzah
[19:51] <jrwren> kernel on 1 floppy, root/inst on second floppy - and the rest from net :)
[19:51] <jrwren> which is not much diffent from todays pxe & minimal boot insts
[19:52] <jrwren> oh yeah, no libreoffice or openoffice, those are large.
[19:54] <snap-l> I remember when it was all Slackware diskettes as far as the eye could see
[19:54] <snap-l> network installs and upgrades were for weenies.
[19:57] <jrwren> that was never true
[20:20] <rick_h_> pixel reviews...man if my wife's EMR worked on Chrome I'd have gotten this vs the thinkpad for her I think http://r.bmark.us/u/26761b11b86272
[20:24] <rick_h_> kind of cool, can read with the 'publisher font' on the kindle night light' so reading python cookbook with oreilly font choice.
[20:40] <greg-g> so not happy with this Dell XPS 13
[20:41] <jcastro> what? you went non thinkpad?
[20:42] <greg-g> yeah, not happy (work laptop)
[20:42] <greg-g> I didn't really have a choice
[20:43] <jcastro> nod
[20:43] <jcastro> I mean, theoretically you'd think it'd be awesome
[20:43] <greg-g> blegh, if I wanted to have a Macbook Air but couldn't afford it, or something
[20:45] <rick_h_> greg-g: :(
[21:51] <rick_h_> the trifecta is complete. rain to ice to snow
[21:52] <greg-g> yum
[21:59] <jcastro> hey greg-g what's your tldr on this thing? https://gitorious.org/copyleft-next/copyleft-next/blobs/raw/master/Releases/copyleft-next-0.2.0
[21:59] <jcastro> ever hear of it?
[22:13] <greg-g> hahaha
[22:14] <greg-g> so, fontana (red hat lawyer, persistent instigator of bkuhn) is drafting an updated copyleft license for reasons that are opaque.
[22:14] <greg-g> theories:
[22:14] <greg-g> 1) license as art, especially the repurcussions/discussions around it with especially bkuhn
[22:15] <greg-g> 2) legitamately address nagging legal issues with copyleft licesnses (esp GPL)
[22:15] <greg-g> 3) something else
[22:15] <greg-g> jcastro: ^
[22:16] <greg-g> I follow him on identi.ca, and the discussions are hilarious
[22:16] <greg-g> he's always trolling bkuhn, and tagging his posts #notatroll or #trulynotatroll
[22:16] <greg-g> so good, comedy gold
[22:16] <greg-g> he trolls bkuhn so well because they, I believe, are actually pretty good friends in real life
[22:30] <rick_h_> sweet, fun drive to go pick up the wife from work. I'll be back out later. Nice and slick.
[22:58] <jcastro> greg-g: ok so they want a session @ UDS to discuss this license for ubuntu developers
[22:58] <jcastro> I'm thinking this is a waste of time
[23:36] <greg-g> jcastro: lol, saw that on identi.ca
[23:36] <greg-g> jcastro: license development that are strictly OSI approved/approvable shouldn't be a concern of Ubuntu, right
[23:37] <jcastro> this doesn't even look real
[23:38] <greg-g> jcastro: real as in?
[23:38] <jcastro> this whole thing
[23:38] <jcastro> looks like satire to me
[23:38] <greg-g> jcastro: right, option 1
[23:38] <greg-g> :)
[23:51] <snap-l> I think it's just trolling, personally
[23:52] <snap-l> Anytime I've ever engaged with Fontana, I have a hard time figuring out if he's trolling me, or if he's being serious
[23:53] <jcastro> well then, he can go through the normal submission process, shrug
[23:55] <snap-l> Speaking of performance as art: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/199fuq/falcon_pro_developer_increases_app_price_to_13213/