[00:06] snap-l woot! [00:37] Yeah, happy happy. [01:49] Yay Ceph Talk for March MUG Meeting [02:00] woot [03:43] cool, we're making use of Ceph here [03:44] you know, it feels good to work for a legit tech company now ;) [03:44] Heh [03:44] AS opposed to "OMG, please don't screw things up or we'll be screwed"? [03:45] basically, and more :) [04:19] what you using ceph for? [04:20] * greg-g shrugs [04:20] :) [04:22] jrwren: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Media_storage [04:45] ty [04:45] so only media files. [04:45] damn, was hoping for everything :) [04:48] heh [12:52] morning [12:54] mornng [12:55] got the shovels out and ready [12:56] come on snow!!!! [12:56] that radar looks pretty with all those colors :P [13:01] bah, sounds like it's moved to later in the day [14:09] Again: I have a board meeting. The later the better. :) [14:53] anyone have thoughts on how libvirt and ganeti fit together? or don't they? are they competing? complementary? [14:54] nvm. ganeti is google's non-libvirt [14:55] yea, not really read much on ganeti but looking now it seems competing to an extent [15:19] just saw it referenced in that how we use ceph post by jcastro [15:21] do they use ganeti? [15:22] jrwren: I am lunching with sellers this week yo [15:23] they support it. [15:23] ganeti can point directly to rados for storage. [15:23] http://ceph.com/community/ceph-comes-to-synnefo-and-ganeti/ linked from your http://ceph.com/dev-notes/deploying-ceph-with-juju/ [15:23] !!! Have fun with Sellers. [15:23] make him wine you and dine you :) [15:25] oh, in the intro [15:25] I totally missed that link [15:27] jcastro: Did you see on G+ that we're having Patrick McGarry talk about Ceph in March? [15:27] Apparently he'll be doing a demo using something called "Juju" [15:27] lol [15:28] hah [15:28] I swear, people must think we have verbal ticks whenever we have conversations [15:28] "ceph comes to synneinfo an ganeti using juju deploy" [15:29] berp de derp derp [15:32] hah yeah [15:33] ceph could be wonderful. [15:34] a radosgw s3 bridge could be sweet which mirrors your radosgw content to s3. [15:34] although I guess you could do that app level easily enough [15:52] very cool, pushing Go to the limits and cool to see A2 hosting on there as signed on to support it http://r.bmark.us/u/17752200544930 [15:54] Nice! [15:56] x10Hosting <- Wonder if that's web over powerlines. [15:56] hey turn a04 on [15:56] heyu, rather [16:08] rick_h_: man, railgun looks badass [16:14] rick_h_: filed a bug on it for a charm [16:21] the CSP v. threaded C++ comment shows a fundamental lack of understanding by either the code author, or the article author [16:39] man, bugzilla is annoying [16:40] I can't believe I'm going to say it, but, LP spoiled me :) [16:44] Bugzilla is when you care more about reporting than filing bugs [16:45] And dare I say it: more than fixing bugs. *cough* [16:45] or getting bugs backported to a specific release, apparently [16:45] fucking tags and shit [16:48] Yeah, Bugzilla reminded me of the IT forms from Ford under Remedy [16:49] Lots of fields that may or may not apply, but supported one workflow that (god help you) you better follow or bad juju occurs. [16:53] yeah [16:53] zomg Remedy [16:53] and you have to remember so much... [16:53] * jrwren has flashbackes [16:54] jrwren: Supported some of the patches that Ford did to that system using Perl. [16:57] i only had to use it. [16:57] that was bad enough [16:57] 50% off http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920027072.do [17:25] shuttleworth on stage http://www.mobileworldlive.com/mobile-world-live-tv-live-stream [17:30] I want this guys hair [17:31] http://www.weather.com/weather/map/interactive/48346:4?interactiveMapLayer=radar&baseMap=r&zoom=7 lol, ever feel like a wave is coming at you? [17:31] Not looking forward to this. [17:32] hah yeah [17:32] it's raining here right now [17:32] yea, it's showing 33 here, hoping we get just full snow [17:32] but sounds like rain for a couple of hours until it turns to snow :( [17:32] Yeah, that's how it's supposed to start [17:33] so it'll be a nice wet sheet to freeze under a pile of snow [17:33] yea, nothing like a solid ice base layer to help out the shoveling later [17:33] hah yeah [17:34] any reprepro users? [17:34] jrwren: No. What's that? [17:34] very nice repo mirror tool [17:34] but i can't figure quite how to get it to filter the way I want. [17:34] no, when I did a deb mirror I just did full deb mirror [17:35] I want an ubuntu mirror minus x11,games,video,kde,gnome Sections [17:35] and then I'd also like to filter some packages out too [17:35] have you seen ubumirror in the archive? [17:35] no [17:36] https://launchpad.net/ubumirror [17:36] I don't know the specifics, but I would start there [17:36] or just set up a proxy and you'd only ever mirror on demand [17:36] thanks. [17:36] jcastro: BTW: Oakland's mirror is behind [17:36] severely. [17:37] in the proxy case, I'm worried about stale things getting deleted that I actually want to keep around [17:37] yeah, ubumirror is not what I want. [17:37] no partial support [17:38] what's the use case? I tried the 'mirror what I use' but then it's basically always slow when I use it since i'm not loading 100 machines with the same package sets [17:39] use case is datacenter with lots of ubuntu servers. [17:39] and I don't want to waste space [17:39] meh, in a DC, how much space are you talking? [17:39] i mean really, I don't want terabytes of gnome/kde stuff when I'll always be server only [17:39] jrwren: What's the climate for creating an official mirror? [17:40] we don't have bandwidth to spare [17:40] jrwren: all 64bit? [17:40] yes, all 64bit [17:40] only amd64/main [17:41] I wonder how big it is. I just find something saying full mirror was around 248GB, but I bet that's both 32/64bit [17:41] even if I only save 1/4 of that, it is worth it IMO. for moving the VM around, backup, etc. [17:42] yea, gotcha. I'm just the guy that mirrors all of pypi so wrong guy to talk to. [17:43] rofl. [17:43] that shit is NUTS [17:43] it's 30GB, who cares. pip install anything on the airplane ftw :) [17:43] jrwren: Let me introduce you to rick_h_, who never does anything by halves. [17:44] pypi mirror is that small? [17:44] hmm, up to 45gb right now [17:44] still, that is small enough, we should really have one here. [17:44] on my disk [17:44] yea, <3 it [17:44] plus when someone does something stupid like remove an old .tar.gz I pull it out of my repo anyway bwuhahahahaha [17:44] jrwren: yeah, all of the real code is on github. They just put stubs in there to do curl. [17:45] Oh wait, that's Ruby. [17:45] yea, those packages need to diaf [17:45] mirror github [17:45] now you're talking [17:45] git clone github [17:46] tar czf github.tar.gz git:// [17:46] jrwren: a full mirror isn't as big as you'd think [17:46] it's like, way under a TB [17:47] iirc at OU it was like 300GB and we were carrying i386 and a bunch of other crap [17:47] right, that's what I mean. set aside 500GB and just always have everythign you need and pull the internet plug without worry [17:47] though, I prefer to just run squid-deb-proxy and set an apt config (though probably without zeroconf in a server setting) [17:47] nothing worse than needing one thing that's not in the bucket when you need it [17:48] yeah, but in a server setting you have the machines cronning the updates [17:48] you only need one machine to go before yours. [17:48] though that doesn't help when you want like 34503984GB of eclipse and no one else has done that yet [17:49] but IME, the machine after the first kickstart sucks, after that, it's mostly good [17:49] we have a list of concerns a mile long when it comes to this. [17:49] we know what we want. we aren't sure best way to get it. [17:49] are you coming to lunch? [17:49] wait, you work with sellers right? [17:50] yes. [17:50] he didn't invite me, so I guess not. [17:50] lol [18:02] man, this is actually kind of interestnig to listen to these three discuss the phone platforms [18:02] err, interesting [18:02] I keep thinking I'll just turn it off...but nope [18:06] yeah [18:06] I know [18:22] for the record, reprepro is awesome. I needed to learn that , is the and operator in the stupid deb selection language [18:22] | and , instead of | and &. strange at first, but i'll admit it isn't bad [18:25] coolio [18:25] love it when taking 20min to tinker pays off [18:26] jcastro: gotta say Mark wins the keyword wars. Afterwards everyone is using his phrasing "lustful experiences..." lol [18:26] hah [18:26] the commenters are right though [18:26] a bunch of things left unanswered, etc. [18:27] yep, but I think some of that comes to the platforms 'secret sauce' [18:27] why does open source need secret sauce? [18:27] but I love how Mark is like "our research shows..." and the firefox lady is "well our research shows" [18:27] jrwren: because they're products in the process of defining, not everythign is set/done yet [18:27] i'm just really glad we are finally getting some good alternatives. [18:27] my research shows I am sick of shitty phones [18:27] ios and android are too closed and suck. [18:27] and I want a good alternative [18:27] lol [18:46] lol weather rss ftw: Current Conditions : ..., Light Ice Pellets [18:49] Ugh [18:57] me at work: "is that a 10Gig switch" :) got a cool answer. [18:57] and damn if we won't be going fast as hell with that thing [18:59] very cool [19:23] No more in-person UDSs? wow [19:24] oh? [19:24] greg-g: nope, hangouts ftw [19:24] snap-l: you on community-announce list? if so, plz forward to -us-mi list [19:24] rick_h_: or ftl, to be determined :) [19:25] rick_h_: will there still be Canonical "all hands" (for some definition of "all") in the future? [19:25] greg-g: yea, definitely. Meant more cool that hangouts have come along [19:25] greg-g: there will be team sprints still [19:25] greg-g: I'm not sure. I know there are still sprints, but not sure about a real all hands like that. [19:25] yeah, we use em here a lot for meetings, but hose are mostly 2-5 people [19:25] but we haven't had a full all hands since Spain [19:25] gotcha [19:25] oh, really? huh [19:25] good to know [19:25] G+ every 3 months instead [19:26] so we'll be more agile too [19:26] cool [19:26] bbiab, lunch meeting [19:27] greg-g: Oh nuts... I think I deleted that. :) [19:29] Just forwarded. [19:29] This is awesome [19:30] ALthough there go my dreams of ever being a part of the Ubuntu all-stars [19:30] Les Sob [19:33] heh, well at least I made 3 days of a UDS before they were killed off [19:35] It makes more sense, honestly [19:35] It'll be interesting to see how the Global Jam works out this weekend [19:41] nice way to get google in there are essential infrastructure [19:42] s/are/as/ [19:44] Would you prefer Skype? :) [19:44] heh [19:45] no multi user video on skype for linux :( [19:47] rick_h_: Snark begets snark. :) [19:47] :P [19:47] snap-l: no snow yet :( [19:48] lovely freezing rain here :-/ [19:48] assuming the output of this command is correct, I'll have an 8.5GB mirror :) [19:48] reprepro -V --noskipold checkupdate | grep ^Size | awk '{sum+=$2}END{print sum}' [19:49] no java, no kde, no gnome, no qt, no gtk, no games, no sound, no tex, no video, no x11 makes for a small ubunt u:) [19:50] hell, I could fit it on a DL DVD [19:50] tempting :) [19:50] I remember when I would install debian from their little 50mb cd [19:50] used to love that [19:50] yup [19:51] or netinst from 2 floppy boot [19:51] LLOVED that [19:51] rootboot, huzzah [19:51] kernel on 1 floppy, root/inst on second floppy - and the rest from net :) [19:51] which is not much diffent from todays pxe & minimal boot insts [19:52] oh yeah, no libreoffice or openoffice, those are large. [19:54] I remember when it was all Slackware diskettes as far as the eye could see [19:54] network installs and upgrades were for weenies. [19:57] that was never true [20:20] pixel reviews...man if my wife's EMR worked on Chrome I'd have gotten this vs the thinkpad for her I think http://r.bmark.us/u/26761b11b86272 [20:24] kind of cool, can read with the 'publisher font' on the kindle night light' so reading python cookbook with oreilly font choice. [20:40] so not happy with this Dell XPS 13 [20:41] what? you went non thinkpad? [20:42] yeah, not happy (work laptop) [20:42] I didn't really have a choice [20:43] nod [20:43] I mean, theoretically you'd think it'd be awesome [20:43] blegh, if I wanted to have a Macbook Air but couldn't afford it, or something [20:45] greg-g: :( [21:51] the trifecta is complete. rain to ice to snow [21:52] yum [21:59] hey greg-g what's your tldr on this thing? https://gitorious.org/copyleft-next/copyleft-next/blobs/raw/master/Releases/copyleft-next-0.2.0 [21:59] ever hear of it? [22:13] hahaha [22:14] so, fontana (red hat lawyer, persistent instigator of bkuhn) is drafting an updated copyleft license for reasons that are opaque. [22:14] theories: [22:14] 1) license as art, especially the repurcussions/discussions around it with especially bkuhn [22:15] 2) legitamately address nagging legal issues with copyleft licesnses (esp GPL) [22:15] 3) something else [22:15] jcastro: ^ [22:16] I follow him on identi.ca, and the discussions are hilarious [22:16] he's always trolling bkuhn, and tagging his posts #notatroll or #trulynotatroll [22:16] so good, comedy gold [22:16] he trolls bkuhn so well because they, I believe, are actually pretty good friends in real life [22:30] sweet, fun drive to go pick up the wife from work. I'll be back out later. Nice and slick. [22:58] greg-g: ok so they want a session @ UDS to discuss this license for ubuntu developers [22:58] I'm thinking this is a waste of time [23:36] jcastro: lol, saw that on identi.ca [23:36] jcastro: license development that are strictly OSI approved/approvable shouldn't be a concern of Ubuntu, right [23:37] this doesn't even look real [23:38] jcastro: real as in? [23:38] this whole thing [23:38] looks like satire to me [23:38] jcastro: right, option 1 [23:38] :) [23:51] I think it's just trolling, personally [23:52] Anytime I've ever engaged with Fontana, I have a hard time figuring out if he's trolling me, or if he's being serious [23:53] well then, he can go through the normal submission process, shrug [23:55] Speaking of performance as art: http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/199fuq/falcon_pro_developer_increases_app_price_to_13213/