| len_1304 | zequence, it looks like we need something like kgamma... with out the k | 00:37 |
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| zequence | len_1304: When it comes to that, I really have no clue, so whatever you say :) | 00:38 |
| zequence | It's one of those things that would be good for someone to do some research on | 00:38 |
| zequence | Someone who had only, say, graphics to worry about | 00:38 |
| zequence | ..since it's also video related, is what I mean | 00:41 |
| len_1304 | Yes | 00:43 |
| len_1304 | I think there should be a setting for it in xfce settings. | 00:44 |
| len_1304 | I may whip up a python app that plays with xrandr | 00:44 |
| len_1304 | Maybe the xfce4 display settings is already in python. I should find out. | 00:45 |
| astraljava | Len-nb: You're absolutely right. No one's taken a look at settings for a couple of releases. I ran out of time last night (way too much work), I'll try again Wednesday evening. | 06:36 |
| holstein | i swear i could build a case for not including JACK by default | 15:21 |
| zequence | The problem is that people coming from Windows think that starting applications is enough, and the audio should just work | 15:23 |
| zequence | ..and I guess it would be good, if it did | 15:23 |
| holstein | right, and windows nor osx do what we do anyway | 15:24 |
| zequence | I'm considering trying to push for such a change in the whole LA world. But, it might not be that simple, as there are multiple jacks around | 15:24 |
| holstein | nothing ships with everything "out of the box" | 15:24 |
| holstein | zequence: we need that page as a bot popup | 15:34 |
| holstein | !proaudio | 15:34 |
| zequence | holstein: Can you program it? | 15:35 |
| holstein | !audio | 15:36 |
| ubottu | If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !players and !mp3. | 15:36 |
| holstein | zequence: no, but lemme check... | 15:36 |
| zequence | I don't have ops privileges, and don't know much about bots | 15:40 |
| holstein | i think i know who maintains it | 15:43 |
| holstein | i'll check.. | 15:43 |
| insomniaSalt | hi all! | 16:17 |
| insomniaSalt | finally, I managed to route flash audio trough jack (so I don't have to stop JACK when I need to youtube as part of my workflow) | 16:18 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: there is a module on by default, which does that for you. Did you try it? | 16:19 |
| insomniaSalt | not entirely sure | 16:20 |
| zequence | If you start jack with qjackctl, pulseaudio creates sink and source for jack | 16:20 |
| insomniaSalt | I'm in here because I was wondering if there's any better way | 16:20 |
| insomniaSalt | that, for some reason didnt work | 16:20 |
| zequence | Then, if you go into the PA mixer, you can set PA to use jack | 16:20 |
| insomniaSalt | I connected sink to system in qjackctl | 16:21 |
| insomniaSalt | but that PA mixer pref, where is it supposed to be? | 16:21 |
| zequence | in outputs | 16:21 |
| zequence | Just like if you would choose an audio device, you choose jack | 16:21 |
| insomniaSalt | Output Devices tab | 16:22 |
| zequence | It would be better if PA set itself to use jack by default, when you start jack. This is something I'd like to happen in the future | 16:22 |
| zequence | Yes | 16:22 |
| insomniaSalt | shows my two soundcards | 16:22 |
| zequence | Is jack running? | 16:22 |
| insomniaSalt | and I can select a "port" from a dropdown | 16:22 |
| insomniaSalt | running and playing sound currently | 16:22 |
| zequence | How are you starting jack. Is it jackdbus, or jackd? | 16:22 |
| insomniaSalt | lemme see messages window | 16:22 |
| zequence | Are you using qjackctl, with default settings? | 16:22 |
| insomniaSalt | 16:57:14.376 D-BUS: Service not available (org.jackaudio.service aka jackdbus). | 16:23 |
| insomniaSalt | 16:57:14.383 JACK is starting... | 16:23 |
| insomniaSalt | 16:57:14.383 /usr/bin/jackd -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 | 16:23 |
| zequence | That looks pretty default | 16:23 |
| insomniaSalt | qjackctl, yes | 16:23 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: Check in: Setup -> Misc, and look fot the dbus option | 16:23 |
| zequence | Is it enabled? | 16:23 |
| insomniaSalt | yes (also default I guess) | 16:24 |
| zequence | Yep | 16:24 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: So, I don't know how you're making the PA jack connection right now, but what I would like you to do is shut everything down, logout, and login again | 16:24 |
| insomniaSalt | anyways, what I did was use libflashsupport.c from Torben Hohn minus the V4L stuff | 16:24 |
| zequence | Ah, ok | 16:25 |
| insomniaSalt | weird thing is sometimes there is Sink and Source in connection window, sometimes not | 16:25 |
| insomniaSalt | but no matter, no flashsound | 16:25 |
| zequence | If you restart jack sometimes the thing fails | 16:25 |
| zequence | I'd use the module over the libflashsupport thing | 16:25 |
| zequence | The module is in its own package, called pulseaudio-module-jack. It's installed by efault | 16:26 |
| zequence | To try it, remove the libflash thing, logout, login, and then start jack | 16:26 |
| zequence | If you see the PA sink and source, set PA to use jack. Done | 16:26 |
| insomniaSalt | currently not there | 16:26 |
| zequence | could be the libflash thing is blocking it. | 16:26 |
| insomniaSalt | also, sometimes I've to log out and in again, or else jack won't even start | 16:27 |
| zequence | I don't really know | 16:27 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: Yes, that's a jack bug | 16:27 |
| insomniaSalt | nah, t'was the same before | 16:27 |
| insomniaSalt | trying again | 16:27 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: When that happens, you can kill jack in a terminal: killall -9 jackdbus | 16:27 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: There's a fix for jack, which I'm trying to get in for 12.04. Right now, it works fine on 13.04 | 16:28 |
| insomniaSalt | no sink, no source :( | 16:33 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: Well, they usually don't fail on a clean system, when starting jack for the first time in a session | 16:33 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: Did you remove the libflash thing? | 16:33 |
| insomniaSalt | doubt that's it but I do | 16:35 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: pulseaudio-module-jack is installed? You sure you get the sink and source at times? | 16:38 |
| insomniaSalt | used to, at least | 16:40 |
| insomniaSalt | quick reboot just to make sure | 16:41 |
| insomniaSalt | reboot, login, start Qjackctl: The playback device "hw:0" is already in use (...) pulseaudio | 16:50 |
| insomniaSalt | $ pulseaudio -k | 16:50 |
| insomniaSalt | only then jack starts | 16:50 |
| insomniaSalt | then automatically relaunching pulse as it seems | 16:51 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: PA is set to autospawn | 17:00 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: Try doing this. In a terminal, do: pasuspender -- && sleep 15 | 17:00 |
| zequence | Then, while PA is suspended, start jack | 17:00 |
| zequence | Wait, that doesn't work :P | 17:01 |
| zequence | pasuspender -- sleep 60, or whatever | 17:02 |
| zequence | You can do Ctl+C to end the sleep once jack is running | 17:02 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: Ah, first kill jack though | 17:02 |
| zequence | killall -0 jackdbus | 17:02 |
| zequence | killall -9 jackdbus* | 17:02 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: If PA is set to use the same device as jack, it might not let go of the device | 17:03 |
| zequence | It's a PA bug | 17:03 |
| zequence | Works best if you are not using PA to do anything | 17:03 |
| insomniaSalt | :-) | 17:03 |
| insomniaSalt | that's how I fixed audio an my gentoo box | 17:03 |
| insomniaSalt | uninstall pa, global useflag -pa | 17:04 |
| insomniaSalt | looking at my shell history, it seems somewhere along the process I had to install jack and jack-dev packages, how can that be | 17:04 |
| insomniaSalt | weird! | 17:04 |
| insomniaSalt | trying the sleep thing | 17:04 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: You probably needed the jack-dev to build the libflash thing | 17:05 |
| insomniaSalt | yes, idd. but what about the former? :-) | 17:05 |
| insomniaSalt | and qjackctl got autoremoved in between | 17:05 |
| insomniaSalt | then i reinstalled it, now it won't be autoremoved anymore | 17:06 |
| insomniaSalt | weird | 17:06 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: The dev libraries depend on jack1 libs. Why qjackctl got removed has to do with dependencies | 17:08 |
| insomniaSalt | $ pgrep jackdbus | 17:08 |
| zequence | It's not very slick | 17:08 |
| insomniaSalt | jackdbus ain't ever running | 17:09 |
| insomniaSalt | sleep is over, pulse seems running (pgrep returns a PID), and still no sink/source :( | 17:10 |
| insomniaSalt | and jackdbus never even ran to begin with | 17:10 |
| insomniaSalt | only jackd | 17:11 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: is jackd2 installed? | 17:11 |
| zequence | If you didn't reinstall it, you might be running jackd1 | 17:12 |
| zequence | Which doesn't support dbus. jackdbus is a part of the jackd2 package | 17:12 |
| insomniaSalt | no d2 | 17:12 |
| insomniaSalt | yay! | 17:12 |
| insomniaSalt | removing d1 d1-firewire libjack-dev and libjack0 | 17:13 |
| insomniaSalt | in favour of d2 | 17:13 |
| insomniaSalt | welcome back sink/source | 17:14 |
| insomniaSalt | xD | 17:14 |
| insomniaSalt | oh dear | 17:15 |
| insomniaSalt | it works! | 17:15 |
| insomniaSalt | but the setting in PAmixer is "hidden" in the playback tab | 17:16 |
| insomniaSalt | there, I didn't look before | 17:16 |
| insomniaSalt | currently hearing sound from youtube -> PA -> Jack | 17:17 |
| * insomniaSalt starts Mixxx and prays | 17:17 | |
| insomniaSalt | which instantly killed the sound | 17:17 |
| zequence | Well, that's probably not related to the module, rather on Mixxx itself | 17:21 |
| insomniaSalt | it made entire firefox crash | 17:22 |
| zequence | flash is probably the crook there | 17:22 |
| zequence | When PA misbehaves, flash gets annoyed | 17:23 |
| insomniaSalt | educational experience, still | 17:23 |
| zequence | Trying to get ArdourXchange working. Have got it working in the past. Damn, I need it now | 17:24 |
| insomniaSalt | verdict: back to the libflashsupport-jack thingy (the main purpose of all this being to enable people other than me to work at this computer, lol) | 17:25 |
| insomniaSalt | minor thing: still no html5sound then | 17:27 |
| zequence | Anything that works with PA will go through the module | 17:29 |
| zequence | The module needs to be worked on, and is the best way to integrate jack with PA | 17:30 |
| zequence | The libflash thing only works on flash, no? | 17:30 |
| zequence | Not really an option | 17:30 |
| zequence | and, does it work with jackd2? | 17:30 |
| insomniaSalt | doubtful, I'll report | 17:32 |
| insomniaSalt | indeed, make fails because of "No package 'jack' found | 17:33 |
| zequence | WHen I say module, I'm talking about pulseaudio-module-jack, or module-jackdbus-detect, not the libflash thing | 17:34 |
| insomniaSalt | I'm aware :) | 17:34 |
| zequence | You can't compile libflash without jack dev packages, and those can't be installed when jackd2 is installed | 17:34 |
| zequence | it's weird | 17:35 |
| zequence | Hopefully jack devs come to resolution on those things at some point | 17:35 |
| insomniaSalt | I'm more than happy to go back to jackd1 + libflashsupport-jack till then, seems the only way to have "agressive" applications such as Mixxx running througgh jack while simoultaneously being able to route sound from flash-based sources | 17:37 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: It's Mixxx that is the problem in this case | 17:38 |
| zequence | insomniaSalt: Try disabling the PA module, and use only jack with Mixxx | 17:38 |
| zequence | Probably it has bad jack code in it | 17:38 |
| zequence | It has jack support, doesn't it? Or is it ALSA only | 17:39 |
| zequence | Mixxx is not agressive. Just poorly written | 17:39 |
| insomniaSalt | basically everything | 17:39 |
| insomniaSalt | yes, tend to notice that too at times | 17:39 |
| insomniaSalt | oss alsa jack pa | 17:40 |
| insomniaSalt | but being able to use Mixx is not really the point, it's just a good example of an application that behaves bad | 17:40 |
| insomniaSalt | (imho) | 17:41 |
| zequence | An application that behaves bad with jackdbus, not PA, if you're using the jack interface, that is | 17:41 |
| zequence | There are other examples of jack apps that work poorly on one jack, and better on the other | 17:42 |
| insomniaSalt | and mix is also an example of an application that people using this setup from hell expect to work (same as flash) | 17:42 |
| zequence | The PA interconnection is not a big deal | 17:43 |
| zequence | The module is quite stable | 17:43 |
| zequence | There are some bugs related to PA and jack, which do not really have to do with the module itself | 17:43 |
| zequence | In some situations audio might get blocked as a result of using jack with PA, adjusting settings, starting/stopping, etc. | 17:45 |
| zequence | There could of course be something in the module that causes some weirdness, but in most cases, I would say the bugs are either in PA itself, or jack itself, not in the module | 17:45 |
| insomniaSalt | with that jackd2/module setup I'd be happier if stuff wasnt crashing all the time :-) | 17:46 |
| zequence | Badly written jack apps can make jack crash. In that case, it's the app that is bad | 17:46 |
| insomniaSalt | yes! | 17:46 |
| zequence | I don't experience any crashing with jack2 and PA | 17:47 |
| zequence | But, I'm not using Mixxx | 17:47 |
| insomniaSalt | crashing the client software that is, not pa or jackd | 17:47 |
| zequence | ..aside from the jack bug, when trying to stop jack (on 12.04, and 12.10) | 17:48 |
| zequence | Right now, I'd like to write emails to every programmer in the world, and tell them: please, please, please - use standards!!!! | 17:49 |
| zequence | I want to export a session from Cubase to Ardour | 17:49 |
| zequence | There's a tool for it, but I can't get it working | 17:49 |
| insomniaSalt | there is an xkcd about that | 17:49 |
| insomniaSalt | where it says, now because of you we have n+1 standards | 17:50 |
| insomniaSalt | :-) | 17:50 |
| insomniaSalt | meh cubase :( | 17:51 |
| zequence | creating custom formats should lead to jail sentences | 17:51 |
| * insomniaSalt is a freetard somehow | 17:51 | |
| zequence | Maybe what I should do is write a OMF to ardour converter | 17:52 |
| zequence | omf is actually an open standard | 17:53 |
| zequence | ardour just needs to have it implemented | 17:54 |
| insomniaSalt | people will always try an be evil | 17:54 |
| insomniaSalt | like that tetra pak machine patent that forbade people other than the proprietor to produce paks that could be filled with these machines | 17:54 |
| insomniaSalt | until they were sued for trust | 17:55 |
| insomniaSalt | abuse of dominant market position is what that's called | 17:56 |
| zequence | In this case, the proprietary application does support the open format, while the free one does not | 17:57 |
| insomniaSalt | go, implement! | 17:58 |
| insomniaSalt | :) | 17:58 |
| insomniaSalt | but then, how often does the open format specification and reference implementation by steinberg change? | 17:58 |
| insomniaSalt | if you're unlucky twice a week | 17:58 |
| insomniaSalt | have fun trying to keep up | 17:58 |
| insomniaSalt | (not sure about that, but possible in theory, 'pseudo-open' standards existed before) | 17:59 |
| zequence | It's not a Steinberg format | 18:02 |
| zequence | It's an open format that many DAWs support | 18:02 |
| zequence | Includign Steinbergs various DAWs, Pro Tools, It think pretty much all the big ones | 18:03 |
| insomniaSalt | avid, ic. | 18:04 |
| zequence | As long as you can get the files into their right places, with tempos, etc. | 18:04 |
| insomniaSalt | there seem to be different 'flavours' of OMF, too :-) | 18:07 |
| zequence | Yeaaah!!. Now I get to do export one track at the time! | 18:11 |
| insomniaSalt | >tool for it | 18:11 |
| insomniaSalt | aatranslator? | 18:11 |
| zequence | I already have a tool, that doesn't work | 18:14 |
| zequence | ArdourXchange | 18:14 |
| zequence | I got it to work last year, but not now | 18:14 |
| insomniaSalt | learned a lot more, but now my headache got much worse, time to stop and find something to eat | 18:30 |
| holstein | !proaudio | 19:00 |
| ubottu | For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204 | 19:00 |
| zequence | holstein: Alright | 19:00 |
| holstein | right! :) | 19:00 |
| holstein | zequence: knome hooked us up | 19:00 |
| zequence | Great | 19:00 |
| zequence | Damn, I nearly had it working | 19:23 |
| === jta is now known as jta_afk | ||
| zequence | holstein: For now, I just included the 1204 page into the page that !proaudio links to | 20:28 |
| zequence | !proaudio | 20:28 |
| ubottu | For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro | 20:28 |
| zequence | So, same as before now | 20:28 |
| zequence | You need to refresh, to see the change | 20:28 |
| holstein | zequence: i like it | 20:29 |
| zequence | Been updating the kernel for a while now. Every 3 weeks, or, a little more often. Sometimes there's a sudden critical update. | 21:41 |
| zequence | A run a script, and then, I try not mess up the manual bit, where I edit the changelog | 21:42 |
| zequence | Messed it up three times already :P | 21:42 |
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