| len_1304 | Haohmaru, do you have a colorimeter? | 00:02 |
|---|---|---|
| Haohmaru | a what? | 00:02 |
| len_1304 | a device that sticks to your monitor and measures the amount of rg and b | 00:03 |
| Haohmaru | ugh | 00:03 |
| Haohmaru | okay, so that's not what i thought it is | 00:03 |
| len_1304 | What are you looking for? | 00:04 |
| Haohmaru | i need to fix the colors by eye | 00:04 |
| Haohmaru | rgb curves or something | 00:04 |
| Haohmaru | (it's a CRT monitor) | 00:04 |
| len_1304 | That is beyond my knowledge ... | 00:04 |
| len_1304 | The type of monitor should not matter, a CRT changes faster, but the lcd ones change over time as well | 00:05 |
| len_1304 | I think you are looking for the gamma settings for x | 00:06 |
| Haohmaru | where's that? | 00:06 |
| len_1304 | Something like kgamma | 00:07 |
| len_1304 | I am sure there is a way of doing it from the commandline too... using xrandr or something like that | 00:07 |
| len_1304 | kgamma is the only one I can find off hand, just install it with synaptic | 00:09 |
| len_1304 | It may pull in lots of kde libs though. be warned. | 00:09 |
| Haohmaru | i'm so not familiar with anything, linux is too alient for me ;] | 00:10 |
| Haohmaru | * alien | 00:10 |
| len_1304 | if you open a terminal you can view the (somewhat complex) man page for xrandr. | 00:11 |
| len_1304 | It does adjust gamma settings. | 00:11 |
| len_1304 | something like xrandr --gamma red:green:blue | 00:12 |
| len_1304 | where red green and blue are a number. I think 1 is no change and a fraction is less of that colour and anyting over 1 is more. | 00:13 |
| Haohmaru | yeah i can imagin, i wish there was a more visual way to set this | 00:15 |
| len_1304 | There used to be... but I have not seen one for a long time | 00:15 |
| len_1304 | xgama might be easier | 00:20 |
| len_1304 | *xgamma | 00:20 |
| len_1304 | It is still a command line tool, but it just does gamma, not all the stuff xrandr does. | 00:20 |
| len_1304 | Strange, I installed kgamma... but I can't find it on the system | 00:25 |
| len_1304 | It is probably an applet that runs only from the kde settings dialogue | 00:27 |
| len_1304 | Yes kgamma can work :P the command line to get it to work is: | 00:33 |
| len_1304 | kcmshell4 kgamma | 00:33 |
| len_1304 | But you have to install it first. It does have a gui for adjustments | 00:34 |
| len_1304 | Haohmaru, ^^^ | 00:34 |
| Haohmaru | it said i need to install kde-runtime | 00:40 |
| Haohmaru | ..and i think i did | 00:42 |
| curtisjohn | Hey guys | 02:53 |
| SuperRoach | Good evening. I've just noticed my 12.10 ubuntu studio, apps has lost their menu with the min/close icons. http://i.imgur.com/SCFC43t.png What can I use to restore it? | 10:15 |
| Haohmaru | how do i configure the sound on Flash/Firefox.. got no sound on youtube videos | 15:15 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: tha same as main ubuntu, it should just work | 15:15 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: that is the only case in which you have no sounds? | 15:15 |
| holstein | otherswise sound is good? | 15:15 |
| Haohmaru | i managed to make Audacious play | 15:16 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: so, audacious works? stand alone? or are you using JACK? | 15:16 |
| Haohmaru | but i had to adjust some stuff, cuz i have a built-in soundcard (which is crap) and a PCI soundcard also (that's what i need) | 15:16 |
| Haohmaru | yes, i think i chose this JACK thing | 15:16 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: ? | 15:17 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: confirm if you are using JACK or not.. try stopping JACK, and test audio with just pulse alone | 15:17 |
| holstein | you can restart the machine and just dont start JACK if you need | 15:17 |
| Haohmaru | yes, in Audacious i've selected JACK | 15:17 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: so, you are likely running JACK then.. i'll just wait while you confirm that | 15:18 |
| Haohmaru | yup | 15:18 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: also, consider *not* using JACK, if you dont need it | 15:18 |
| Haohmaru | i changed Audiacious to PulseAudio - and it doesn't play at all | 15:18 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: that would be the case, if JACK is running, and you havnet stopped it, or have no idea *if* jack is running, or how it got started | 15:19 |
| Haohmaru | well, right after i installed ubuntustudio - didn't had any sound | 15:19 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: do me a favor | 15:19 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: reboot, and come *directly* here | 15:19 |
| Haohmaru | alright | 15:20 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: i can explain several scenarios where you wouldnt have sound, and specluate, and guess | 15:20 |
| Haohmaru | should i do something before rebooting? | 15:20 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: no | 15:20 |
| Haohmaru | okay | 15:20 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: you should specifically do *nothing* after rebooting | 15:20 |
| holstein | just come here | 15:20 |
| Haohmaru | k | 15:20 |
| holstein | dont start any application that might try and start JACK in the back ground | 15:20 |
| * Haohmaru is here | 15:23 | |
| holstein | Haohmaru: ok.. open pavucontrol, and just leave that open | 15:23 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: open whatever browser and test audio | 15:23 |
| Haohmaru | pavucontrol - the sound icon or in a terminal? | 15:24 |
| holstein | !info pavucontrol | 15:24 |
| ubottu | pavucontrol (source: pavucontrol): PulseAudio Volume Control. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0-1 (quantal), package size 140 kB, installed size 953 kB | 15:24 |
| Haohmaru | i guess in terminal | 15:25 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: dont guess.. test and look and ask | 15:25 |
| Haohmaru | well is this "pavcontrol" a command or is it the speaker icon on the taskbar? | 15:26 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: "pulseaudio volume control" should be in your menu, assuming pavucontrol is installed.. pavucontrol from the terminal will start it | 15:26 |
| Haohmaru | i haven't installed anything additional | 15:26 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: open a terminal, and type "pavucontrol" and hit the enter key. | 15:26 |
| Haohmaru | okay, pretty much the same thing opens as when i click on the sound icon | 15:27 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: so, now you know | 15:28 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: leave that open, and also, its either *exactly* the same, or not.. not "pretty much" | 15:28 |
| Haohmaru | it's the same | 15:28 |
| holstein | flip through there and make sure all looks aw you would expect | 15:28 |
| holstein | open a web browser and test audio | 15:28 |
| Haohmaru | k | 15:29 |
| Haohmaru | ah, it works now | 15:29 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: ok.. so heres the issue.. fact: sounds works.. speculation: you are clicking something like ardour in the menu that launches JACK and that is breaking your current "working" audio | 15:30 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: also, you did some "tweaking" that i would need you to elaborate about | 15:30 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: you can choose which audio device is default, by clicking the green "v" icon in outputs. It says "fallback" or something like that | 15:30 |
| Haohmaru | yes, that's what i was tweaking | 15:31 |
| Haohmaru | tried to disable the built-in soundcard | 15:31 |
| holstein | Haohmaru: i do that in hardware... bios, or blacklist | 15:31 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: There's a bug in jack, that makes it crash sometimes, when trying to stop it. There's only one way to kill it, in a terminal: killall -9 jackdbus | 15:32 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: jack is a pro audio server, which is not on by default | 15:33 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: you can control jack with qjackctl | 15:33 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: You need jack to most of the pro audio applications. | 15:33 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Here's a page I wrote about audio on Ubuntu Studio https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204 | 15:34 |
| Haohmaru | ahum | 15:35 |
| Haohmaru | btw, after the reboot, the gamma adjustments i did are lost | 15:35 |
| Haohmaru | xgamma iirc | 15:35 |
| Haohmaru | is there a way to make em permanent? | 15:35 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Maybe they were not saved anywhere? You could create a startup script for it | 15:36 |
| Haohmaru | autoexec.bat ;] | 15:36 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567905/ | 15:37 |
| zequence | Make a file like that. Make it executable (right-click, properties..) | 15:38 |
| zequence | Not sure how auto start works for users in XFCE | 15:38 |
| zequence | You just place that file somehwere, and create a autostart for it, just like you would for any application | 15:38 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: I'm guessing you were using a command line argument to adjust gamma, right? | 15:39 |
| Haohmaru | yeah | 15:40 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: You could begin by making the script, then double click it, and choose run | 15:41 |
| zequence | it needs to be executable, of course | 15:41 |
| zequence | If that works, you find out how to create a auto run | 15:42 |
| zequence | If no one here knows, try #xubuntu, or #xfce | 15:42 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Oh, my point was that you try it first, to see if it works or not | 15:42 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: If you want help with the script, I can help you with it. Just let me know what kind of command you are passing | 15:43 |
| Haohmaru | okay, it works | 15:44 |
| Haohmaru | it's weird when files don't have extensions in their name ;] | 15:45 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: In Linux, everything is a file. | 15:46 |
| zequence | The extension doesn't really tell you what it is | 15:47 |
| holstein | the extensions can be incorrect, or malicous in some scenarios | 15:47 |
| zequence | But, if it's executable, and it's a text file, that usually means it's a script. The first line tells what script interpreter to use. In this case, bash | 15:47 |
| zequence | For python, you'd do: #!/usr/bin/python | 15:48 |
| zequence | It's telling where the location of the starter is | 15:48 |
| Haohmaru | hm, funky ;] | 15:48 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Is there a xfce4-autostart-editor? | 15:48 |
| zequence | Try in a terminal | 15:49 |
| Haohmaru | no such command | 15:49 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: How about: xfce4-session-settings | 15:49 |
| Haohmaru | yeah, got this one | 15:50 |
| zequence | Should be a tab called "Application Autostart" | 15:50 |
| zequence | Add your script there | 15:50 |
| Haohmaru | done | 15:51 |
| Haohmaru | thanks | 15:51 |
| zequence | np | 15:51 |
| Haohmaru | so this JACK is used for more funky stuff? | 15:52 |
| Haohmaru | cuz my soundcard is kinda funky | 15:52 |
| zequence | If you are doing any kind of recording, mixing or just playing soft synths, you'll need it | 15:53 |
| Haohmaru | it has MIDI and ASIO (at least on winXP with it's special drivers) | 15:53 |
| zequence | ASIO is Windows only. | 15:53 |
| Haohmaru | ahum | 15:53 |
| Haohmaru | i'm also gonna be interested in looking around thru those video editting apps, some day | 15:54 |
| zequence | ALSA is the core of PCI and USB audio. It doesn't support firewire | 15:54 |
| Haohmaru | my soundcard is PCI | 15:55 |
| zequence | You could run ALSA as an audio servers as well, but for the past years, Pulseaudio has been the desktop audio server on Ubuntu. | 15:55 |
| Haohmaru | m-audio audiophile 2496 | 15:55 |
| zequence | Pulseaudio uses ALSA drivers, and interfaces for devices | 15:55 |
| zequence | Jack also uses ALSA | 15:55 |
| zequence | But, jack can use other drivers too | 15:56 |
| zequence | For firewire devices, you'd use ffado drivers. In qjackctl you'd select "firewire" as the driver | 15:56 |
| zequence | It's the same thing | 15:56 |
| zequence | Since you are using PCI, the only thing you will ever use is ALSA | 15:57 |
| zequence | All of the alsa drivers come in one package, so you never install them separately | 15:57 |
| zequence | Pulseaudio is the desktop audio server, which is on by defaut | 15:57 |
| zequence | jack is a pro audio server, which on Ubuntu Studio, you need to start manually | 15:57 |
| zequence | What you do is, you start jack first. then any application that uses jack | 15:58 |
| zequence | qjackctl is a good tool for the jack beginner | 15:58 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Now, there may be a problem when you start jack. If pulseaudio is using the device you want jack to use, it may not let it go. This is a bug | 15:58 |
| zequence | If PA is using a different device, there will be no problem | 15:59 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: There's also a PA(pulseaudio) module that can interface with jack. On Ubuntu Studio this is on by default. So, when you start jack using qjackctl, all desktop audio is routed to jack | 15:59 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: You'll see this in qjackctl -> connect | 15:59 |
| zequence | That's about it | 16:00 |
| Haohmaru | so the main thing is ALSA | 16:00 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Yes, but you usually don't select ALSA in applications you use. Only if they don't support either jack, or pulseaudio | 16:01 |
| Haohmaru | ahum | 16:01 |
| Haohmaru | kinda got it now | 16:01 |
| zequence | It is possible to use ALSA as an audio server too | 16:01 |
| zequence | But, that is not done in Ubuntu Studio | 16:01 |
| zequence | Pulseaudio has overtaken that role | 16:02 |
| Haohmaru | i guess for midi i'd need to put the special drivers for the soundcard | 16:02 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: No. midi is always on. you can see your midi devices in qjackctl -> connect -> alsa | 16:02 |
| Haohmaru | ah, kewl | 16:02 |
| Haohmaru | cuz the soundcard is no longer supported ;] | 16:02 |
| zequence | There are two types of midi. ALSA and JACK. ALSA is the most common, and it's always on | 16:02 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: In Linux, there's no such thing as no longer supported | 16:03 |
| zequence | It's not the vendors who make the drivers, usually | 16:03 |
| zequence | And even if they do, there is usually a free alternative | 16:03 |
| Haohmaru | i mean that the company was bought by another company and they aren't gonna be supporting their old products/drivers anymore | 16:03 |
| zequence | Well, in this case, they have nothing to do with the ALSA drivers anyway :) | 16:04 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: qjackctl -> connect has three tabs. The first is for jack audio, the second is jack midi, and the third, alsa midi | 16:04 |
| zequence | jack audio and midi will only show devices when jack is running, while alsa midi is always on | 16:05 |
| zequence | It's a bit complicated, but that's what you get when you need so many different tools to do one thing | 16:05 |
| GridCube | :/ im trying to use idjc but its failing to launch the jackd service | 22:41 |
| holstein | GridCube: i woud start JACK first, and get it running stable | 22:41 |
| GridCube | trying to manually launch it results on an error, Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : Method "RequestRelease" with signature "i" on interface "org.freedesktop.ReserveDevice1" doesn't exist | 22:41 |
| GridCube | it used to autolaunch it by itself | 22:42 |
| holstein | GridCube: i *never* trust that | 22:42 |
| GridCube | it worked before, after i upgraded to 12.10 | 22:42 |
| holstein | GridCube: you'll want to get JACK running stable and then go from there | 22:42 |
| GridCube | but how | 22:42 |
| holstein | GridCube: qjackctl is the GUI | 22:43 |
| GridCube | i tried that too | 22:43 |
| holstein | GridCube: could be as simple as not being in the audio group | 22:43 |
| GridCube | D-BUS: El servidor JACK no puede iniciarse. Disculpa | 22:43 |
| holstein | what would i do? close everything and run "ps aux | grep jack" in a terminal and kill any jack running | 22:43 |
| holstein | then, i would run "gksudo qjackctl" and select my audio device and hit "start",.. see that it starts with no errrs | 22:44 |
| holstein | errors* | 22:44 |
| holstein | then, i would run as normal user... troubleshoot from there | 22:44 |
| GridCube | kay | 22:44 |
| holstein | also, check this ou | 22:44 |
| holstein | !proaudio | 22:44 |
| holstein | :/ | 22:44 |
| holstein | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro | 22:45 |
| ubottu | For information on professional audio tools in Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro | 22:45 |
| holstein | !help | 22:45 |
| Unit193 | !lag | 22:45 |
| holstein | ah.. there it is :) | 22:45 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 22:45 |
| ubottu | You have lag, I don't have lag | 22:45 |
| GridCube | gridcube 17892 0.1 0.2 168992 10880 ? Ss 19:36 0:00 /usr/bin/jackdbus auto | 22:45 |
| GridCube | thats what its suppose to be there? | 22:45 |
| holstein | GridCube: well, i would kill it and start over. that could be there if idjc tried to start it and its just sitting there broken | 22:46 |
| GridCube | i can sudo it | 22:47 |
| holstein | GridCube: ok.. but it fails as normal user? | 22:47 |
| GridCube | yes | 22:47 |
| holstein | sudo adduser you audio | 22:47 |
| holstein | ^ try that.. i forget if you have to logout to take effect | 22:47 |
| GridCube | :D apparently it works without reloging | 22:48 |
| holstein | sounds right. anyways... thats probably all there is to it | 22:49 |
| GridCube | ja :D HAHA :D AHAHAHAHAHA PERFECT | 22:49 |
| holstein | i would start and stop JACK from the gui.. the qjackctl... jack control | 22:49 |
| holstein | otherwise, it can be running in the background | 22:49 |
| GridCube | :) okay will do that holstein | 22:50 |
| GridCube | thank you verymuch | 22:50 |
| holstein | GridCube: cheers! | 22:50 |
| Haohmaru | excuse my dumb question.. what do you normally do when you need to get a new app on linux? | 23:28 |
| Haohmaru | you download it in some .zip or similar package, then manually install it or unzip it somewhere, or do you always use some kind of funky h4x0r commands? | 23:29 |
| GridCube | Haohmaru, you go to the software center and look for it | 23:32 |
| GridCube | if you know how its called you can also >> sudo apt-get <<it | 23:33 |
| Haohmaru | i currently need to install my IDE - Code::Blocks | 23:33 |
| Haohmaru | i've been using it on windows | 23:33 |
| GridCube | if its in the repos then its easy | 23:33 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Most applications live in something we call a repository | 23:33 |
| zequence | holstein: Ubuntu Studio is an official flavor of Ubuntu, and that means, we share the same repository | 23:34 |
| Haohmaru | source code? | 23:34 |
| zequence | holstein: It's pretty much like an app store, except everything is for free | 23:34 |
| zequence | Sorry holstein | 23:34 |
| zequence | holstein: ^ | 23:34 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: ^ | 23:34 |
| zequence | Damn! | 23:34 |
| Haohmaru | appstore - i'm not into these things ;] | 23:34 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Use the software center to look for apps | 23:35 |
| Haohmaru | okay then | 23:35 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Not everything shows there, but that's the easiest way | 23:35 |
| Haohmaru | that's weird, but if that's how it's done.. *shrug* | 23:35 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: It's kind of simpler to find all your apps in one location, don't you think? | 23:35 |
| zequence | Instead of googling for them | 23:36 |
| zequence | And downloading | 23:36 |
| zequence | And installing | 23:36 |
| Haohmaru | well i'm an old-fashioned win9x user | 23:36 |
| Haohmaru | and this is too alien for me still ;] | 23:36 |
| GridCube | :D this is so much better | 23:36 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: If you want to have access to everything, you'll either use synaptic, or the command line | 23:37 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: When you get used to the command line, you rather not mess with slow gui apps | 23:37 |
| GridCube | you dont need to get cracked software or unknown zips from weird places | 23:37 |
| GridCube | all its in the same place | 23:37 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Try this in the command line: apt-cache search vlc | 23:37 |
| Haohmaru | basically i'd like to compile my app for linux | 23:37 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Then, if you want to install: sudo apt-get install vlc | 23:37 |
| GridCube | Haohmaru, ha, you will have to learn quite a few before you get there :) | 23:38 |
| Haohmaru | uhm | 23:38 |
| GridCube | its not so hard, but you need to know the basics first | 23:38 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Let me give you a tip of things you might want to have right away: sudo apt-get install vlc ubuntu-restricted-extras | 23:38 |
| Haohmaru | the project is in codeblocks format | 23:38 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: You can get the source to any application by doing: apt-get source <application> | 23:38 |
| Haohmaru | it uses a crossplatform lib for almost everything | 23:39 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Do this: sudo apt-get install codeblocks | 23:39 |
| Haohmaru | so i just need CodeBlocks cuz i can't compile from commandline ;] | 23:39 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: You can find codeblocks in the software center | 23:40 |
| Haohmaru | hm | 23:40 |
| GridCube | !find codeblocks | 23:41 |
| ubottu | Found: codeblocks, codeblocks-common, codeblocks-contrib, codeblocks-contrib-dbg, codeblocks-dbg | 23:41 |
| Haohmaru | hah, it runs now | 23:41 |
| GridCube | !info codeblocks | 23:41 |
| ubottu | codeblocks (source: codeblocks): Code::Blocks integrated development environment (IDE). In component universe, is optional. Version 10.05-2.1 (quantal), package size 1583 kB, installed size 4499 kB | 23:41 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Either use "software center"(easy), "synaptic"(medium hard - not preinstalled), or "apt"(command line tools) | 23:41 |
| Haohmaru | yey, my project is here, now i gotta linuxify the missing bits ;P~ | 23:42 |
| Haohmaru | thanks ;] | 23:43 |
| zequence | http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=5726 | 23:45 |
| zequence | In fact, what Windows and Mac are doing now with their app stores, that's how package management has been done on Linux for ever | 23:46 |
| zequence | Ubuntu is creating a commercial repo now, but it's not really related to the repo where you get the free software | 23:47 |
| zequence | Most of the applications that are in Ubuntu, come directly from Debian | 23:47 |
| zequence | Debian being a volunteer project, there isn't much commercial interest in how that is organized, so that means Ubuntu is pretty free and open too | 23:48 |
| Haohmaru | i'm not following microsoft/apple | 23:48 |
| Haohmaru | my phone doesn't have a camera even ;] | 23:49 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: I'm surprised the battery is still working. Or are you able to buy phones without cameras these days? | 23:49 |
| zequence | Mine at least has a camera | 23:49 |
| zequence | But, it doesn't have touch screen, or IQ | 23:50 |
| Haohmaru | zequence, i think i used my nokia 3310 till 2008 | 23:50 |
| Haohmaru | that's when i got this "newer" nokia which i still use today | 23:51 |
| Haohmaru | so that's my 2nd mobile phone | 23:51 |
| Haohmaru | i don't even know the model ;] | 23:51 |
| zequence | Mine is a Nokia too. Nokia really used to rule, before they got overrun by modern times, and then by MS infiltrators | 23:52 |
| Haohmaru | i don't like touchscreen, touchpads.. | 23:52 |
| Haohmaru | don't like rubbing a screen ;] | 23:52 |
| zequence | If I had the money right now, i'd get a Nokia N9, just cause it's one of a kind | 23:53 |
| Haohmaru | i don't want a smart(ass)phone ;] | 23:53 |
| Haohmaru | all of them are the same, a huge screen, no buttons, uber expensive | 23:53 |
| zequence | Meego OS. Nokia wouldn't have even released it, hadn't they had a contract with companies like Intel. It's a good phone | 23:53 |
| zequence | Haohmaru: Probably the Firefox phone won't be as expensive | 23:54 |
| zequence | I mean, it won't | 23:54 |
| Haohmaru | i don't need multi-megapixel camera(s) on a phone | 23:54 |
| Haohmaru | or games | 23:54 |
| Haohmaru | sure, kids LOVE that | 23:55 |
| zequence | Ubuntu phone will be a portable PC. Maybe not the first releases, but further down the line | 23:55 |
| Haohmaru | i recently read somewhere about some phone with a 40MP camera <- wtf | 23:55 |
| Haohmaru | that's plain stupid | 23:55 |
| zequence | Not really | 23:56 |
| zequence | You just put it in a dock, and it becomes a PC | 23:56 |
| Haohmaru | i meant about the camera ;] | 23:56 |
| zequence | If you plug a hdmi cord in it, it become your Ubuntu TV | 23:56 |
| zequence | Ah, yeah | 23:56 |
| zequence | :) | 23:56 |
| Haohmaru | it can't take pictures like those i can take with my 16MP DSLR ;] | 23:57 |
| zequence | I'm not much of a photographer myself | 23:57 |
| Haohmaru | those who don't understand only compare the numbers | 23:57 |
| GridCube | zequence, i use a nokia 1100 :3 | 23:58 |
| zequence | GridCube: I have one of those | 23:58 |
| GridCube | :D i use that one regularly, but i do have an E5 | 23:59 |
| Haohmaru | http://i.imgur.com/ZivRW.jpg ;P~ | 23:59 |
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