[00:02] <len_1304> Haohmaru,  do you have a colorimeter?
[00:02] <Haohmaru> a what?
[00:03] <len_1304> a device that sticks to your monitor and measures the amount of rg and b
[00:03] <Haohmaru> ugh
[00:03] <Haohmaru> okay, so that's not what i thought it is
[00:04] <len_1304> What are you looking for?
[00:04] <Haohmaru> i need to fix the colors by eye
[00:04] <Haohmaru> rgb curves or something
[00:04] <Haohmaru> (it's a CRT monitor)
[00:04] <len_1304> That is beyond my knowledge ...
[00:05] <len_1304> The type of monitor should not matter, a CRT changes faster, but the lcd ones change over time as well
[00:06] <len_1304> I think you are looking for the gamma settings for x
[00:06] <Haohmaru> where's that?
[00:07] <len_1304> Something like kgamma
[00:07] <len_1304> I am sure there is a way of doing it from the commandline too... using xrandr or something like that
[00:09] <len_1304> kgamma is the only one I can find off hand, just install it with synaptic
[00:09] <len_1304> It may pull in lots of kde libs though. be warned.
[00:10] <Haohmaru> i'm so not familiar with anything, linux is too alient for me ;]
[00:10] <Haohmaru> * alien
[00:11] <len_1304> if you open a terminal you can view the (somewhat complex) man page for xrandr.
[00:11] <len_1304>  It does adjust gamma settings.
[00:12] <len_1304> something like xrandr --gamma red:green:blue
[00:13] <len_1304> where red green and blue are a number. I think 1 is no change and a fraction is less of that colour and anyting over 1 is more.
[00:15] <Haohmaru> yeah i can imagin, i wish there was a more visual way to set this
[00:15] <len_1304> There used to be... but I have not seen one for a long time
[00:20] <len_1304> xgama might be easier
[00:20] <len_1304> *xgamma
[00:20] <len_1304> It is still a command line tool, but it just does gamma, not all the stuff xrandr does.
[00:25] <len_1304> Strange, I installed kgamma... but I can't find it on the system
[00:27] <len_1304> It is probably an applet that runs only from the kde settings dialogue
[00:33] <len_1304> Yes kgamma can work :P  the command line to get it to work is:
[00:33] <len_1304> kcmshell4 kgamma
[00:34] <len_1304> But you have to install it first. It does have a gui for adjustments
[00:34] <len_1304> Haohmaru, ^^^
[00:40] <Haohmaru> it said i need to install kde-runtime
[00:42] <Haohmaru> ..and i think i did
[02:53] <curtisjohn> Hey guys
[10:15] <SuperRoach> Good evening. I've just noticed my 12.10 ubuntu studio, apps  has lost their menu with the min/close icons. http://i.imgur.com/SCFC43t.png What can I use to restore it?
[15:15] <Haohmaru> how do i configure the sound on Flash/Firefox.. got no sound on youtube videos
[15:15] <holstein> Haohmaru: tha same as main ubuntu, it should just work
[15:15] <holstein> Haohmaru: that is the only case in which you have no sounds?
[15:15] <holstein> otherswise sound is good?
[15:16] <Haohmaru> i managed to make Audacious play
[15:16] <holstein> Haohmaru: so, audacious works? stand alone? or are you using JACK?
[15:16] <Haohmaru> but i had to adjust some stuff, cuz i have a built-in soundcard (which is crap) and a PCI soundcard also (that's what i need)
[15:16] <Haohmaru> yes, i think i chose this JACK thing
[15:17] <holstein> Haohmaru: ?
[15:17] <holstein> Haohmaru: confirm if you are using JACK or not.. try stopping JACK, and test audio with just pulse alone
[15:17] <holstein> you can restart the machine and just dont start JACK if you need
[15:17] <Haohmaru> yes, in Audacious i've selected JACK
[15:18] <holstein> Haohmaru: so, you are likely running JACK then.. i'll just wait while you confirm that
[15:18] <Haohmaru> yup
[15:18] <holstein> Haohmaru: also, consider *not* using JACK, if you dont need it
[15:18] <Haohmaru> i changed Audiacious to PulseAudio - and it doesn't play at all
[15:19] <holstein> Haohmaru: that would be the case, if JACK is running, and you havnet stopped it, or have no idea *if* jack is running, or how it got started
[15:19] <Haohmaru> well, right after i installed ubuntustudio - didn't had any sound
[15:19] <holstein> Haohmaru: do me a favor
[15:19] <holstein> Haohmaru: reboot, and come *directly* here
[15:20] <Haohmaru> alright
[15:20] <holstein> Haohmaru: i can explain several scenarios where you wouldnt have sound, and specluate, and guess
[15:20] <Haohmaru> should i do something before rebooting?
[15:20] <holstein> Haohmaru: no
[15:20] <Haohmaru> okay
[15:20] <holstein> Haohmaru: you should specifically do *nothing* after rebooting
[15:20] <holstein> just come here
[15:20] <Haohmaru> k
[15:20] <holstein> dont start any application that might try and start JACK in the back ground
[15:23]  * Haohmaru is here
[15:23] <holstein> Haohmaru: ok.. open pavucontrol, and just leave that open
[15:23] <holstein> Haohmaru: open whatever browser and test audio
[15:24] <Haohmaru> pavucontrol - the sound icon or in a terminal?
[15:24] <holstein> !info pavucontrol
[15:25] <Haohmaru> i guess in terminal
[15:25] <holstein> Haohmaru: dont guess.. test and look and ask
[15:26] <Haohmaru> well is this "pavcontrol" a command or is it the speaker icon on the taskbar?
[15:26] <holstein> Haohmaru: "pulseaudio volume control" should be in your menu, assuming pavucontrol is installed.. pavucontrol from the terminal will start it
[15:26] <Haohmaru> i haven't installed anything additional
[15:26] <holstein> Haohmaru: open a terminal, and type "pavucontrol" and hit the enter key.
[15:27] <Haohmaru> okay, pretty much the same thing opens as when i click on the sound icon
[15:28] <holstein> Haohmaru: so, now you know
[15:28] <holstein> Haohmaru: leave that open, and also, its either *exactly* the same, or not.. not "pretty much"
[15:28] <Haohmaru> it's the same
[15:28] <holstein> flip through there and make sure all looks aw you would expect
[15:28] <holstein> open a web browser and test audio
[15:29] <Haohmaru> k
[15:29] <Haohmaru> ah, it works now
[15:30] <holstein> Haohmaru: ok.. so heres the issue.. fact: sounds works.. speculation: you are clicking something like ardour in the menu that launches JACK and that is breaking your current "working" audio
[15:30] <holstein> Haohmaru: also, you did some "tweaking" that i would need you to elaborate about
[15:30] <zequence> Haohmaru: you can choose which audio device is default, by clicking the green "v" icon in outputs. It says "fallback" or something like that
[15:31] <Haohmaru> yes, that's what i was tweaking
[15:31] <Haohmaru> tried to disable the built-in soundcard
[15:31] <holstein> Haohmaru: i do that in hardware... bios, or blacklist
[15:32] <zequence> Haohmaru: There's a bug in jack, that makes it crash sometimes, when trying to stop it. There's only one way to kill it, in a terminal: killall -9 jackdbus
[15:33] <zequence> Haohmaru: jack is a pro audio server, which is not on by default
[15:33] <zequence> Haohmaru: you can control jack with qjackctl
[15:33] <zequence> Haohmaru: You need jack to most of the pro audio applications.
[15:34] <zequence> Haohmaru: Here's a page I wrote about audio on Ubuntu Studio https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro/1204
[15:35] <Haohmaru> ahum
[15:35] <Haohmaru> btw, after the reboot, the gamma adjustments i did are lost
[15:35] <Haohmaru> xgamma iirc
[15:35] <Haohmaru> is there a way to make em permanent?
[15:36] <zequence> Haohmaru: Maybe they were not saved anywhere? You could create a startup script for it
[15:36] <Haohmaru> autoexec.bat ;]
[15:37] <zequence> Haohmaru: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5567905/
[15:38] <zequence> Make a file like that. Make it executable (right-click, properties..)
[15:38] <zequence> Not sure how auto start works for users in XFCE
[15:38] <zequence> You just place that file somehwere, and create a autostart for it, just like you would for any application
[15:39] <zequence> Haohmaru: I'm guessing you were using a command line argument to adjust gamma, right?
[15:40] <Haohmaru> yeah
[15:41] <zequence> Haohmaru: You could begin by making the script, then double click it, and choose run
[15:41] <zequence> it needs to be executable, of course
[15:42] <zequence> If that works, you find out how to create a auto run
[15:42] <zequence> If no one here knows, try #xubuntu, or #xfce
[15:42] <zequence> Haohmaru: Oh, my point was that you try it first, to see if it works or not
[15:43] <zequence> Haohmaru: If you want help with the script, I can help you with it. Just let me know what kind of command you are passing
[15:44] <Haohmaru> okay, it works
[15:45] <Haohmaru> it's weird when files don't have extensions in their name ;]
[15:46] <zequence> Haohmaru: In Linux, everything is a file.
[15:47] <zequence> The extension doesn't really tell you what it is
[15:47] <holstein> the extensions can be incorrect, or malicous in some scenarios
[15:47] <zequence> But, if it's executable, and it's a text file, that usually means it's a script. The first line tells what script interpreter to use. In this case, bash
[15:48] <zequence> For python, you'd do: #!/usr/bin/python
[15:48] <zequence> It's telling where the location of the starter is
[15:48] <Haohmaru> hm, funky ;]
[15:48] <zequence> Haohmaru: Is there a xfce4-autostart-editor?
[15:49] <zequence> Try in a terminal
[15:49] <Haohmaru> no such command
[15:49] <zequence> Haohmaru: How about: xfce4-session-settings
[15:50] <Haohmaru> yeah, got this one
[15:50] <zequence> Should be a tab called "Application Autostart"
[15:50] <zequence> Add your script there
[15:51] <Haohmaru> done
[15:51] <Haohmaru> thanks
[15:51] <zequence> np
[15:52] <Haohmaru> so this JACK is used for more funky stuff?
[15:52] <Haohmaru> cuz my soundcard is kinda funky
[15:53] <zequence> If you are doing any kind of recording, mixing or just playing soft synths, you'll need it
[15:53] <Haohmaru> it has MIDI and ASIO (at least on winXP with it's special drivers)
[15:53] <zequence> ASIO is Windows only.
[15:53] <Haohmaru> ahum
[15:54] <Haohmaru> i'm also gonna be interested in looking around thru those video editting apps, some day
[15:54] <zequence> ALSA is the core of PCI and USB audio. It doesn't support firewire
[15:55] <Haohmaru> my soundcard is PCI
[15:55] <zequence> You could run ALSA as an audio servers as well, but for the past years, Pulseaudio has been the desktop audio server on Ubuntu.
[15:55] <Haohmaru> m-audio audiophile 2496
[15:55] <zequence> Pulseaudio uses ALSA drivers, and interfaces for devices
[15:55] <zequence> Jack also uses ALSA
[15:56] <zequence> But, jack can use other drivers too
[15:56] <zequence> For firewire devices, you'd use ffado drivers. In qjackctl you'd select "firewire" as the driver
[15:56] <zequence> It's the same thing
[15:57] <zequence> Since you are using PCI, the only thing you will ever use is ALSA
[15:57] <zequence> All of the alsa drivers come in one package, so you never install them separately
[15:57] <zequence> Pulseaudio is the desktop audio server, which is on by defaut
[15:57] <zequence> jack is a pro audio server, which on Ubuntu Studio, you need to start manually
[15:58] <zequence> What you do is, you start jack first. then any application that uses jack
[15:58] <zequence> qjackctl is a good tool for the jack beginner
[15:58] <zequence> Haohmaru: Now, there may be a problem when you start jack. If pulseaudio is using the device you want jack to use, it may not let it go. This is a bug
[15:59] <zequence> If PA is using a different device, there will be no problem
[15:59] <zequence> Haohmaru: There's also a PA(pulseaudio) module that can interface with jack. On Ubuntu Studio this is on by default. So, when you start jack using qjackctl, all desktop audio is routed to jack
[15:59] <zequence> Haohmaru: You'll see this in qjackctl -> connect
[16:00] <zequence> That's about it
[16:00] <Haohmaru> so the main thing is ALSA
[16:01] <zequence> Haohmaru: Yes, but you usually don't select ALSA in applications you use. Only if they don't support either jack, or pulseaudio
[16:01] <Haohmaru> ahum
[16:01] <Haohmaru> kinda got it now
[16:01] <zequence> It is possible to use ALSA as an audio server too
[16:01] <zequence> But, that is not done in Ubuntu Studio
[16:02] <zequence> Pulseaudio has overtaken that role
[16:02] <Haohmaru> i guess for midi i'd need to put the special drivers for the soundcard
[16:02] <zequence> Haohmaru: No. midi is always on. you can see your midi devices in qjackctl -> connect -> alsa
[16:02] <Haohmaru> ah, kewl
[16:02] <Haohmaru> cuz the soundcard is no longer supported ;]
[16:02] <zequence> There are two types of midi. ALSA and JACK. ALSA is the most common, and it's always on
[16:03] <zequence> Haohmaru: In Linux, there's no such thing as no longer supported
[16:03] <zequence> It's not the vendors who make the drivers, usually
[16:03] <zequence> And even if they do, there is usually a free alternative
[16:03] <Haohmaru> i mean that the company was bought by another company and they aren't gonna be supporting their old products/drivers anymore
[16:04] <zequence> Well, in this case, they have nothing to do with the ALSA drivers anyway :)
[16:04] <zequence> Haohmaru: qjackctl -> connect has three tabs. The first is for jack audio, the second is jack midi, and the third, alsa midi
[16:05] <zequence> jack audio and midi will only show devices when jack is running, while alsa midi is always on
[16:05] <zequence> It's a bit complicated, but that's what you get when you need so many different tools to do one thing
[22:41] <GridCube> :/ im trying to use idjc but its failing to launch the jackd service
[22:41] <holstein> GridCube: i woud start JACK first, and get it running stable
[22:41] <GridCube> trying to manually launch it results on an error, Failed to acquire device name : Audio0 error : Method "RequestRelease" with signature "i" on interface "org.freedesktop.ReserveDevice1" doesn't exist
[22:42] <GridCube> it used to autolaunch it by itself
[22:42] <holstein> GridCube: i *never* trust that
[22:42] <GridCube> it worked before, after i upgraded to 12.10
[22:42] <holstein> GridCube: you'll want to get JACK running stable and then go from there
[22:42] <GridCube> but how
[22:43] <holstein> GridCube: qjackctl is the GUI
[22:43] <GridCube> i tried that too
[22:43] <holstein> GridCube: could be as simple as not being in the audio group
[22:43] <GridCube> D-BUS: El servidor JACK no puede iniciarse. Disculpa
[22:43] <holstein> what would i do? close everything and run "ps aux | grep jack" in a terminal and kill any jack running
[22:44] <holstein> then, i would run "gksudo qjackctl" and select my audio device and hit "start",.. see that it starts with no errrs
[22:44] <holstein> errors*
[22:44] <holstein> then, i would run as normal user... troubleshoot from there
[22:44] <GridCube> kay
[22:44] <holstein> also, check this ou
[22:44] <holstein> !proaudio
[22:44] <holstein> :/
[22:45] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/ProAudioIntro
[22:45] <holstein> !help
[22:45] <Unit193> !lag
[22:45] <holstein> ah.. there it is :)
[22:45] <GridCube> gridcube  17892  0.1  0.2 168992 10880 ?        Ss   19:36   0:00 /usr/bin/jackdbus auto
[22:45] <GridCube> thats what its suppose to be there?
[22:46] <holstein> GridCube: well, i would kill it and start over. that could be there if idjc tried to start it and its just sitting there broken
[22:47] <GridCube> i can sudo it
[22:47] <holstein> GridCube: ok.. but it fails as normal user?
[22:47] <GridCube> yes
[22:47] <holstein> sudo adduser you audio
[22:47] <holstein> ^ try that.. i forget if you have to logout to take effect
[22:48] <GridCube> :D apparently it works without reloging
[22:49] <holstein> sounds right. anyways... thats probably all there is to it
[22:49] <GridCube> ja :D HAHA :D AHAHAHAHAHA PERFECT
[22:49] <holstein> i would start and stop JACK from the gui.. the qjackctl... jack control
[22:49] <holstein> otherwise, it can be running in the background
[22:50] <GridCube> :) okay will do that holstein
[22:50] <GridCube> thank you verymuch
[22:50] <holstein> GridCube: cheers!
[23:28] <Haohmaru> excuse my dumb question.. what do you normally do when you need to get a new app on linux?
[23:29] <Haohmaru> you download it in some .zip or similar package, then manually install it or unzip it somewhere, or do you always use some kind of funky h4x0r commands?
[23:32] <GridCube> Haohmaru, you go to the software center and look for it
[23:33] <GridCube> if you know how its called you can also >> sudo apt-get <<it
[23:33] <Haohmaru> i currently need to install my IDE - Code::Blocks
[23:33] <Haohmaru> i've been using it on windows
[23:33] <GridCube> if its in the repos then its easy
[23:33] <zequence> Haohmaru: Most applications live in something we call a repository
[23:34] <zequence> holstein: Ubuntu Studio is an official flavor of Ubuntu, and that means, we share the same repository
[23:34] <Haohmaru> source code?
[23:34] <zequence> holstein: It's pretty much like an app store, except everything is for free
[23:34] <zequence> Sorry holstein
[23:34] <zequence> holstein: ^
[23:34] <zequence> Haohmaru: ^
[23:34] <zequence> Damn!
[23:34] <Haohmaru> appstore - i'm not into these things ;]
[23:35] <zequence> Haohmaru: Use the software center to look for apps
[23:35] <Haohmaru> okay then
[23:35] <zequence> Haohmaru: Not everything shows there, but that's the easiest way
[23:35] <Haohmaru> that's weird, but if that's how it's done.. *shrug*
[23:35] <zequence> Haohmaru: It's kind of simpler to find all your apps in one location, don't you think?
[23:36] <zequence> Instead of googling for them
[23:36] <zequence> And downloading
[23:36] <zequence> And installing
[23:36] <Haohmaru> well i'm an old-fashioned win9x user
[23:36] <Haohmaru> and this is too alien for me still ;]
[23:36] <GridCube> :D this is so much better
[23:37] <zequence> Haohmaru: If you want to have access to everything, you'll either use synaptic, or the command line
[23:37] <zequence> Haohmaru: When you get used to the command line, you rather not mess with slow gui apps
[23:37] <GridCube> you dont need to get cracked software or unknown zips from weird places
[23:37] <GridCube> all its in the same place
[23:37] <zequence> Haohmaru: Try this in the command line: apt-cache search vlc
[23:37] <Haohmaru> basically i'd like to compile my app for linux
[23:37] <zequence> Haohmaru: Then, if you want to install: sudo apt-get install vlc
[23:38] <GridCube> Haohmaru, ha, you will have to learn quite a few before you get there :)
[23:38] <Haohmaru> uhm
[23:38] <GridCube> its not so hard, but you need to know the basics first
[23:38] <zequence> Haohmaru: Let me give you a tip of things you might want to have right away: sudo apt-get install vlc ubuntu-restricted-extras
[23:38] <Haohmaru> the project is in codeblocks format
[23:38] <zequence> Haohmaru: You can get the source to any application by doing: apt-get source <application>
[23:39] <Haohmaru> it uses a crossplatform lib for almost everything
[23:39] <zequence> Haohmaru: Do this: sudo apt-get install codeblocks
[23:39] <Haohmaru> so i just need CodeBlocks cuz i can't compile from commandline ;]
[23:40] <zequence> Haohmaru: You can find codeblocks in the software center
[23:40] <Haohmaru> hm
[23:41] <GridCube> !find codeblocks
[23:41] <Haohmaru> hah, it runs now
[23:41] <GridCube> !info codeblocks
[23:41] <zequence> Haohmaru: Either use "software center"(easy), "synaptic"(medium hard - not preinstalled), or "apt"(command line tools)
[23:42] <Haohmaru> yey, my project is here, now i gotta linuxify the missing bits ;P~
[23:43] <Haohmaru> thanks ;]
[23:45] <zequence> http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=5726
[23:46] <zequence> In fact, what Windows and Mac are doing now with their app stores, that's how package management has been done on Linux for ever
[23:47] <zequence> Ubuntu is creating a commercial repo now, but it's not really related to the repo where you get the free software
[23:47] <zequence> Most of the applications that are in Ubuntu, come directly from Debian
[23:48] <zequence> Debian being a volunteer project, there isn't much commercial interest in how that is organized, so that means Ubuntu is pretty free and open too
[23:48] <Haohmaru> i'm not following microsoft/apple
[23:49] <Haohmaru> my phone doesn't have a camera even ;]
[23:49] <zequence> Haohmaru: I'm surprised the battery is still working. Or are you able to buy phones without cameras these days?
[23:49] <zequence> Mine at least has a camera
[23:50] <zequence> But, it doesn't have touch screen, or IQ
[23:50] <Haohmaru> zequence, i think i used my nokia 3310 till 2008
[23:51] <Haohmaru> that's when i got this "newer" nokia which i still use today
[23:51] <Haohmaru> so that's my 2nd mobile phone
[23:51] <Haohmaru> i don't even know the model ;]
[23:52] <zequence> Mine is a Nokia too. Nokia really used to rule, before they got overrun by modern times, and then by MS infiltrators
[23:52] <Haohmaru> i don't like touchscreen, touchpads..
[23:52] <Haohmaru> don't like rubbing a screen ;]
[23:53] <zequence> If I had the money right now, i'd get a Nokia N9, just cause it's one of a kind
[23:53] <Haohmaru> i don't want a smart(ass)phone ;]
[23:53] <Haohmaru> all of them are the same, a huge screen, no buttons, uber expensive
[23:53] <zequence> Meego OS. Nokia wouldn't have even released it, hadn't they had a contract with companies like Intel. It's a good phone
[23:54] <zequence> Haohmaru: Probably the Firefox phone won't be as expensive
[23:54] <zequence> I mean, it won't
[23:54] <Haohmaru> i don't need multi-megapixel camera(s) on a phone
[23:54] <Haohmaru> or games
[23:55] <Haohmaru> sure, kids LOVE that
[23:55] <zequence> Ubuntu phone will be a portable PC. Maybe not the first releases, but further down the line
[23:55] <Haohmaru> i recently read somewhere about some phone with a 40MP camera <- wtf
[23:55] <Haohmaru> that's plain stupid
[23:56] <zequence> Not really
[23:56] <zequence> You just put it in a dock, and it becomes a PC
[23:56] <Haohmaru> i meant about the camera ;]
[23:56] <zequence> If you plug a hdmi cord in it, it become your Ubuntu TV
[23:56] <zequence> Ah, yeah
[23:56] <zequence> :)
[23:57] <Haohmaru> it can't take pictures like those i can take with my 16MP DSLR ;]
[23:57] <zequence> I'm not much of a photographer myself
[23:57] <Haohmaru> those who don't understand only compare the numbers
[23:58] <GridCube> zequence, i use a nokia 1100 :3
[23:58] <zequence> GridCube: I have one of those
[23:59] <GridCube> :D i use that one regularly, but i do have an E5
[23:59] <Haohmaru> http://i.imgur.com/ZivRW.jpg ;P~