[19:17] <pleia2> knome: where are we with getting those screenshots on the site? :)
[19:18] <knome> pleia2, don't push it! :P
[19:18] <pleia2> <3 <3
[19:19] <knome> getting there some day
[19:19] <pleia2> so I'll definitely be around for our sprint on Sunday, double-booke it with some online work stuffs I'll need to be paying attention to my computer for
[19:21] <knome> great!
[19:22] <bluesabre_> cool, so we'll have some updated 12.10 screenshots on the site in May?  :D
[19:22] <pleia2> lol
[19:22] <knome> bluesabre_, that's the optimal estimate
[19:22] <bluesabre_> lol
[22:40] <pleia2> oh right, this is the part where I forget to tell people I'm speaking on the Ubuntu UK podcast tomorrow about Xubuntu
[22:40] <ochosi> cool
[22:41] <pleia2> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
[22:41] <pleia2> at 19:30 UTC tomorrow
[22:42] <pleia2> hm, actually, looks like 20:30 UTC
[22:42] <knome> :)
[22:42] <pleia2> but I'm recording at 19:30 ;)
[22:52] <GridCube> pleia2, :D can i pm you?
[22:52] <pleia2> GridCube: sure
[22:52] <GridCube> :) 
[23:10] <bluesabre> pleia2: congrats!
[23:11] <pleia2> thanks, I hope to not embarrass us too much :)
[23:12] <pleia2> expanding the iso, bringing back some dropped apps and language packs, doing lots of bug fixes, that's pretty much it for this cycle right? should I mention new catfish?
[23:12] <ochosi> pleia2: why would you do that? don't you like us anymore?
[23:12] <pleia2> haha
[23:12] <ochosi> ;)
[23:13] <ochosi> nothing all-too exciting in the artwork department
[23:13] <ochosi> apart from tons of work on the icon-theme
[23:13] <ochosi> but ppl prolly won't notice that too much, not sure
[23:14] <knome> pleia2, as we discussed in uds, it's probably a maintaining release now, getting stuff ready for the next LTS
[23:14] <pleia2> knome: yeah, that's what I figured
[23:17] <bluesabre> knome: about abiword and gnumeric...
[23:17] <knome> bluesabre, yes?
[23:18] <bluesabre> we've got a development version of abiword in the raring repos (2.9.2), so theoretically this is not stable.  It's also not the latest development version (2.9.4)
[23:18] <knome> yes?
[23:18] <bluesabre> gnumeric in the repos is v1.10, but 1.12 came out in december
[23:19] <ochosi> meh, i hate the whole abiword random snapshot policy...
[23:19] <bluesabre> why old packages (particularly for abiword's devel version)
[23:19] <knome> :P
[23:19] <ochosi> we should really talk to ppl about that
[23:19] <knome> bluesabre, i've no problem if we upgrade to latest
[23:19] <bluesabre> I haven't tested them, just noticed version numbers
[23:20] <bluesabre> of particular interest, gnumeric 1.12 is actually using gtk3
[23:20] <ochosi> i've been wondering recently whether we want something like plank (a very simplistic dock) instead of the xfce launcher panel at the bottom...
[23:23] <GridCube> i like the panel myself
[23:24] <ochosi> i've somehow started to like the mix of launcher/window-buttons
[23:25] <knome> hmm, i found a G+ community for Xubuntu, seems like it's not the one we're running
[23:26] <pleia2> we run a page, not a community
[23:26] <knome> aha
[23:26] <pleia2> communities are a new thing, I dunno anything about them :)
[23:26] <knome> should we take control of the community as well?
[23:26] <GridCube> i was thinking the other day that it would be nice if we had a sort of "prettifier configuration section" or a better name for it, some configuration program that asks you what kind of panel configuration you would like, if you want to add desktop widgets, like screenlets or what not, if you want to add or remove items from the defaults panels, dunno, for some reason doesnt sound so far fetched to me
[23:26] <knome> if they are a new thing, why does the community have our old logo?
[23:26] <pleia2> knome: our old logo is older than all of G+ :P
[23:27] <pleia2> people just do that
[23:27] <GridCube> because people use the old logo all the time, the one that looks like a mouse on a wheel... the one from xubuntu 7.10...
[23:27] <knome> GridCube, no, that's not it
[23:27] <knome> i seriously don't get G+
[23:28] <GridCube> i rarely use it, even more rarely that fb, and i use gmail all the time
[23:28] <bluesabre> https://plus.google.com/communities/108369189560969273265
[23:28] <bluesabre> I use g+ primarily
[23:28] <bluesabre> mainly because my real life friends are boring
[23:28] <knome> boo for them
[23:28] <bluesabre> and the g+ discussions and posts are interesting
[23:28] <pleia2> there, I gone told them to use the right one
[23:30] <GridCube> hehehe
[23:30] <knome> can you also tell them to give you admin rights?
[23:30] <knome> :P
[23:30] <pleia2> maybe
[23:30] <pleia2> sometimes they just give it to me because "omg pleia2!"
[23:30] <knome> boo, i hate this thing already
[23:30] <GridCube> the oldest post is by a "bill carson"
[23:30] <knome> social networking-- :<
[23:31] <GridCube> this is the new era of human relationships mr k
[23:31] <knome> i don't like it
[23:31] <knome> besides i created a g+ account once already ;)
[23:31] <knome> didn't like it then either
[23:31] <pleia2> too high bandwidth for me, and locked into their stupid app
[23:32] <GridCube> app¿
[23:32] <pleia2> twitter is light and I can run it in their app, or with their api on bitlbee for irssi, on a dead badger
[23:32] <knome> seriously, then only thing i can see G+ offering for me is the hangouts
[23:32] <knome> and even they have the stupid 10-person limit
[23:33] <ochosi> we're not going to need much more atm
[23:33] <pleia2> we don't even have 10 project members :P
[23:33] <knome> that's not my target of criticism :P
[23:33] <knome> i can see it being a problem with the UDS hangouts
[23:34] <pleia2> yeah
[23:34] <pleia2> I am thinking the 10 will be like the "fishbowl" and the rest are just misc audience
[23:34] <GridCube> you can stream a hangout and let people join and leave
[23:35] <knome> and there's a possibility that the 10 slots go to the same people all over again and people who "think differently" are probably not going to get slots
[23:35] <GridCube> its done all the times in the youtubes
[23:35] <pleia2> knome: I do worry about that
[23:35] <knome> Unit193, tell us more about mumble
[23:35] <knome> i can also see why people who think differently wouldn't *want* the slots
[23:35] <pleia2> bleh, the only thing I hate more than video is phone
[23:36] <pleia2> that has even fewer social cues, I don't know how to talk on the phone
[23:36] <pleia2> or mumble
[23:36] <knome> if i don't have IRC, i'd really want to go straight to IRL
[23:37] <knome> so i'm getting these "justin bieber has a new tattoo" messages on G+, is this why you all are in there?
[23:37] <pleia2> lol
[23:37] <bluesabre> knome, yes
[23:37] <bluesabre> thats exactly why
[23:37] <knome> bluesabre, ah, i get it...
[23:37] <pleia2> you can follow pleia2 to see me grumping at jono about uds
[23:37] <pleia2> fun times
[23:37] <knome> lol
[23:37] <Unit193> knome: Audio only as far as I know, and you can technically stream it with icecast.
[23:39] <knome> aha, right
[23:39] <knome> skype with video conference needs one of the participants to have skype premium
[23:39] <knome> ...or skype linux
[23:39] <Unit193> I have skype for linux.
[23:39] <knome> REALLY?
[23:39] <knome> woot
[23:40] <GridCube> i do too
[23:40] <pleia2> I am using skype tomorrow for the ubuntu-uk podcast
[23:41] <knome> ochosi, i'm probably deactivating my account before we get to test the hangout.
[23:41] <pleia2> haha
[23:41] <ochosi> knome: aren't you on fb too?
[23:41] <knome> ochosi, i ain't
[23:41] <ochosi> ah
[23:41] <ochosi> my bad
[23:41] <knome> ochosi, if there's somebody by my name, let's kick him in the nuts.
[23:41] <knome> or her in the... non-nuts
[23:42] <knome> there's no other person by my name in the whole world, so if there is one by name in fb, it's an impersonator
[23:42] <bluesabre> says he owns digitoucan
[23:42] <bluesabre> :P
[23:42] <knome> :P
[23:43] <knome> ffuu
[23:43] <knome> i'm off G+
[23:44] <knome> i left it enabled for sp.org if somebody else on the domain *cough* ochosi *cough* wants to use it
[23:44] <ochosi> i'm on g+ anyway
[23:44] <knome> i know
[23:45] <knome> but if you want to create another account
[23:45] <knome> or something
[23:46] <Unit193> If you can't use the Ubuntu icecast server and want to, I have a setup that can be used.
[23:46] <knome> is there some -cast for video?
[23:46] <Unit193> Icecast can do it, if the source supports it.
[23:46] <bluesabre> pretty sure parole is the only gtk application that does not have make warnings
[23:46] <Unit193> G+ has it built in with youtube, no?
[23:47] <knome> bluesabre, it probably does when i start poking at it ;)
[23:47] <Unit193> bluesabre: Try building with clang. :D
[23:47] <bluesabre> clang?
[23:47] <knome> Unit193, how would the server go with streaming several video streams?
[23:48] <Unit193> knome: Shouldn't have issues, never tested it.
[23:48] <knome> Unit193, i mean, would all participants need to open several streams or can it glue them together?
[23:49] <knome> or handle them otherwise
[23:49] <Unit193> It doesn't process, it just streams.
[23:49] <bluesabre> sounds iffy
[23:50] <knome> bluesabre, can parole even handle single streams atm?
[23:50] <bluesabre> technically
[23:51] <bluesabre> I think
[23:51] <bluesabre> maybe
[23:53] <bluesabre> oh, looks like gnumeric 1.12 is in raring, just the ubuntu packages page is wrong http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/allpackages