/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/02/27/#lubuntu.txt

=== sagaci is now known as jpickett
mikathewoofi would like my computer when it boots up to automatically login and have the desktop sitting there waiting for me.  i know this sounds like something to easily google how to do, but there are tons of pages with OBSOLETE info on how to do this.00:17
mikathewoofi'm sure it's easy. but i'm sick of reading instructions on OLD ways to accomplish this.00:17
mikathewoofalso, i do not like screwing with system files just hoping they will do as i want them to.00:18
wxlmikathewoof: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#How_to_enable_automatic_logon00:18
mikathewoofok... well, i have Peppermint.00:27
mikathewoofthat didn't work.00:27
mikathewoofi told it to use Peppermint as the session... it doesn't care.00:28
mikathewoofcan i get off this peppermint and use lubuntu? aren't they very similar?00:28
mikathewoofi just want a very light weight ubuntu based distro as the computer i'm putting it on is very old and slow.00:28
mikathewoofhow can i get rid of this peppermint and use lubuntu?00:34
mikathewoofhello?00:40
mikathewoofhow do i edit a user using the command line? i tried to make this thing not ask for a password on startup, but now i can not login at all.   i want to un-do this.00:52
mikathewoofi did it with the gui, but now i can not boot into a gui00:52
wxlsorry mikathewoof worked called.00:52
mikathewoofuuuh, forget this stupid peppermint...00:52
mikathewoofi want just lubuntu.00:52
wxlsooooooooooo i don't really use peppermint so don't know what to tell you :)00:52
wxlbut you can just go install lubuntu00:52
mikathewoofi know... pepp sucks. there is no support for it.00:52
mikathewoofyeah, i want to inst. lubuntu (not wipe the thing though)00:53
wxlthat's kind of sad00:53
mikathewoofcan that be done?00:53
wxlit seemed like a good project00:53
wxlsure00:53
wxli assume you want to just keep your home?00:53
mikathewoofyeah, i have a ftp server and x11vnc and irc and daemons setup i want to keep set.00:54
mikathewoofi'm getting screwy gfx on that system too... geez.00:55
wxlwelllll if you have servers than that may not be in /home unless you explictly set it as such00:55
mikathewoofmaybe i should just wipe it.00:55
wxlharumph00:55
mikathewoofuuugh. i just don't wnat to wipe it.00:55
mikathewoofssh smbd vnc ftp irc other daemons i'll have to re-do...00:56
mikathewoofpoop.00:56
mikathewoofthe computer is more of a server if ya know what i mean.00:56
wxlyeah00:56
wxlwhy you even running a gui if it's a server?00:56
mikathewoofi take away the monitor and kboard and mouse after it's setup..00:56
mikathewoofcause i need a gui for somethings as i'm not a cli expert.00:56
wxlwell then you shouldn't be running servers XD00:57
mikathewoofthat's why i call it 'more of a server' and not a server.00:57
mikathewoofi'm not running a 'server' i'm running a normal distro that pretends it is one.00:57
wxl1s00:57
mikathewoofcan i install lubuntu over top of this thing?00:57
wxlyeah the installer will let you install alongside00:57
wxli.e. dualboot00:58
mikathewoofi understand lubuntu is quite similar to peppermint.00:58
wxlyou could migrate over your files00:58
mikathewoofi wuld just need to save some config files. like all those things i have setup i guess.00:58
wxlyou could figure out which files are needed by each server00:58
wxlman pages can help with that00:59
wxland possibly lsof00:59
mikathewoofheh. yeah...00:59
mikathewoofi guess i'll just do it the long way.00:59
wxlthat's probably shorter than figuring out how to make peppermint work00:59
wxlwhere does peppermint pull packages from? canonical?01:00
mikathewoofpeppermint is just fine, cept there is no support and that is no good for me. the chat room is deaad.01:00
mikathewoofyeah.01:00
wxloh01:00
wxlwell there may be a kind of easy way01:00
wxlis it all canonical? no can't be01:00
wxlspecific artwork01:00
mikathewoofpeppermint is some kind of variant of lubuntu i am pretty sure.01:00
wxlyou could edit your software sources01:01
wxlget rid of the peppermint sources01:01
wxland then install the lubuntu metapackages01:01
wxland you'll be running lubuntu01:01
mikathewoofwhen i apt-get update it hits ubuntu.com like crazy on the peppermint os.01:01
wxlon your otherwise existant system01:01
wxlalthough some of those packages won't disappear that you already have01:01
mikathewoofthat's what i mean, i iwant to inst. lubuntu ontop of this pepp. and when i login, just choose lubuntu always. THEN after that works, kill peppermint.01:02
wxli can't imagine why that wouldn't work01:02
wxlsince it doesn't REMOVE peppermint, which is just a session, it should work01:02
wxlbut if it's using lxde and lubuntu uses lightdm who knows what the end result will be01:03
mikathewoofor maybe i should just wipe it.01:03
wxltry the above and if it doesn't work, wipe it :)01:03
wxlyou can certainly save your home, though01:03
wxlfor sure01:03
wxlhttp://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=156967501:03
mikathewoofalrighty... thanks for your help mister wxl.01:05
wxlnp01:05
wxlhey mikathewoof01:05
wxlquick question01:05
mikathewoofyeah?01:05
wxlapt-cache policy lightdm — shows an installed version number or not?01:05
mikathewooflightdm:01:06
mikathewoof  Installed: 1.2.3-0ubuntu101:06
mikathewoof  Candidate: 1.2.3-0ubuntu101:06
mikathewoof  Version table:01:06
mikathewoof *** 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 001:06
mikathewoof        500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main i386 Packages01:06
mikathewoof        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status01:06
mikathewoof     1.2.1-0ubuntu1 001:06
wxloh don't get kicked01:06
mikathewoof        500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages01:06
mikathewoofwhy would it kick me? we are the only ones talking in here.01:06
wxllong story short it's installed01:06
wxlso that's a good sign01:06
mikathewoofhow can you flood a chan when it's only just us talking?01:06
wxloh sometimes the network will kick you for flooding01:06
wxli.e. automatic01:07
mikathewoofno need for pastebin if it's just us.01:07
wxlbesides it's highly likely others are lurking01:07
wxlwe always are01:07
wxlanywho it's a good sign01:07
wxlyou have the same setup as current lubuntu01:07
mikathewoofi though can not login as my main user on that computer. (the pepp one)  i tried to make it auto login, now it just will not login at all.01:07
wxlthat being said my guess is that installing the lubuntu metapackages will result in extra sessions in your login01:08
mikathewoofi created another user days ago, it's a 'user' not an 'admin'  on it though. i can log in as that.01:08
wxlyou can't login as the admin?01:08
mikathewoofright. my user is broken somehow.01:08
wxlwell you could undo what you did fairly easily01:09
wxlwhen you get to the login, hit ctrl-alt-f1 which will get you to a terminal01:09
wxledit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and take out that section you added01:09
wxlthen you can  ctrl-alt-f7 to get back01:09
mikathewoofi can ssh in....01:10
wxlyeah do that!01:10
wxleven easier01:10
wxland then boot the thing back up and it should be the way it was before01:10
mikathewoofi wish it was like it was before...01:10
mikathewoofi've commented out anything wierd in that lightdm.conf... rebooting it now...01:11
mikathewoofstill can't login...01:12
mikathewoofi hate this thing.01:12
wxlok now that's strange01:12
wxldoes it give you a password error?01:12
mikathewoofi select my user, type in the password. it goes to a blk scr, then just comes right back to the login screen.01:13
mikathewoofno, i am not typing it wrong, it's only four chars. hard to get wrong.01:13
wxlso you can login via ssh with that user but not in the login screen?01:13
mikathewoofright.01:13
mikathewoofssh no prob...01:13
wxlhm01:13
mikathewoofit's like when i put in my password the stuipd thing doesn't know how to load the next thing.01:13
wxli wonder what the lightdm.conf was before01:14
wxlcuz there is none in lubuntu initially afaik01:14
mikathewoofit can't even login to openbox instead of peppermint.01:14
wxlhold on i'm going to look into peppermint a bit01:14
wxlhey they've got peppermint shirts if you want01:14
wxl</joke>01:15
mikathewoofthis:    http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=479801:15
mikathewoofwho would buy a shirt to a distro no one has ever heard of?01:15
wxli've heard of it01:15
mikathewooffirst off, no one knows what linux is. second, it's a rare distro... heh.01:15
wxldo they have a tool to search for packages online like packages.ubuntu.com01:15
wxl?01:15
mikathewoofit would just be the same as ubuntu packages.01:16
wxlwell i would expect not01:16
wxlcould you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ?01:16
mikathewoofi will try the apt-get install lubuntu or something after i can get this login thingy fixed.01:16
mikathewoofkinda hard when i can only ssh into it.01:16
wxlnot true01:16
wxlsudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit && cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit01:17
wxlin fact if you're running irssi you can run that last command separately inside irssi as /exec -out cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit01:17
mikathewoofi'm just using xchat.01:18
wxlit's gto a command for that too01:18
wxldon't remember it tho01:18
mikathewoofi just changed the account to admin on the other pruter...01:18
mikathewoofnope, that was useless.01:19
mikathewoofinstalling lubuntu is not gonna help if i can't login to this thing...01:19
wxlwell my guess is lightdm is messed up slightly01:19
wxlthe config01:19
wxlor the session is01:19
wxlyou should at least have a working lubuntu session01:19
mikathewoofhttp://pastebin.com/0TbKu3HP01:20
wxlweird01:21
wxlnot a single unique source01:21
wxlhow do they deal with upgrades?01:21
wxloh well you don't care XD01:22
mikathewoofmaybe they don't upgrade much...01:22
wxllong story short is that if you just go ahead and install the lubuntu metapackages i think you'll be good01:22
mikathewoofso i can apt-get install lubuntu and that should do er?01:22
mikathewooftoo bad my login is screwed.01:22
mikathewoofi need a place to change how it logs in or something...01:23
wxlwell as i said i think the install will fix it01:23
wxli know that doesn't seem like it makes sense but it does01:23
wxlso install lubuntu-desktop and then do a dist-upgrade and you should be good to go01:24
mikathewoofok, it's doing it...01:24
mikathewoofthough, in my login screen i see 'which session to log into' peppermint or openbox   clicking either doesn't do me any good.  so if another option is lubuntu, who knows if that is going to do any good either.01:25
mikathewoofthanks for the help, i have to be off to work. i'll let yoiu know how things went sir.01:25
wxlif it doesn't work you can try to reinstall lightdm01:25
wxlgood luck!01:25
mikathewoofand if i'm really scrwed, i can just wipe it. heh.01:25
wxl↑ see what i said about reinstalling lightdm, though01:26
* mikathewoof curses peppermint and their obsolete 'help'01:26
wxli think that would be a good fallback if lubuntu-desktop doesn't do the trick01:26
mikathewoofyep. will do.01:26
wxlwell mint sucks, too, in that regard01:26
wxlin fact, most of those little distros do01:26
mikathewoofit's peppermint, not linuxmint01:26
wxli know01:26
mikathewoofbig diff.... i like linuxmint. but it's a pig01:26
wxlbut was statinmg that mint with its greater popularity has no better support really01:26
wxland then there's bodhi01:27
wxloh lord01:27
mikathewoofyeah, and they are on some lil obsure spotchat server. that's just dumb.01:27
wxl:)01:27
mikathewoofbodhi i tried, it is pathetic.01:27
mikathewoofit's like bodhi is in beta or someeting.01:27
wxltotally01:28
wxli like enlightment to some degree, though01:28
wxli keep navigating back to lxde though01:28
wxlthus the reason i'm here :)01:28
wxli spend most of my time in bash. if it weren't for a few gui programs i need it for, i'd run framebuffer :)01:29
mikathewoofone quick question. is lubuntu the exact same thing as vanilla ubuntu -- just with a different way of showing you a desktop?01:29
wxlthat's *almost* right01:30
mikathewoofa diff DE01:30
wxlevery distro (and let's think of every variant of ubuntu as a different distro) has not only different desktops, but different apps01:30
mikathewoofi get DE and window manger and session mixed all up.01:30
wxlso there are many stock ubuntu apps that are not in lubuntu01:30
wxllubuntu is meant to be a cohesive but universally lightweight os01:30
mikathewoofit's soo dumb when i read a review of a distro and it talks about what it comes with... who gives a $I(#  just install and remove what ever you don't / do want.01:31
wxlit's true01:31
mikathewoofgood. that what you just said is what i want.01:31
wxlyou can actually build up ubuntu to be what you want01:31
wxland in fact instead of installing lubuntu-desktop yo ucould only install the component pieces01:31
mikathewoofi do not need gimp for example. that thing sucks.  i'd rather run photoshop in a vm.01:31
wxlor you could install lubuntu-core and have even less01:31
wxlOR if you want the absolute almost nothing to it, you could install lubuntu-core without recommends01:32
wxlmore than one way to skin a cat01:32
mikathewoofwhat would lubuntu-desktop give me that lubunt-core wouldn't?01:32
wxlall of the apps basically01:32
mikathewoofi don't want the apps. i just want the packages that normally come with it. if that makes sense.01:32
wxlthis should help yo uunderstand that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall01:33
mikathewoofthough how can i use the lubuntu live cd to install just --core01:33
wxlso you can install lubuntu-core package and you won't get abiword for example01:33
mikathewoofoh. ok. i'll read.01:33
wxlif you click on the elements in the table if gives you a list of the installed packages01:33
mikathewoofand if i find there are a ton of things i need that aren't there in --core, then i can just apt-get install lubuntu-desktop right?01:34
wxlor install only the ones you want, a package at a time, yes01:34
mikathewoofcool. imma do that then.01:34
wxland this is why linux rules: package management01:34
mikathewoofi'm gonna wipe the crap out of this stupid peppermint sys.01:34
mikathewoofhigh five for gparted!01:34
wxlheh01:35
mikathewooftoo bad the old computer can't boot off of usb key though.01:35
wxlit's probably easier to start that way if you're going to build bit by bit01:35
mikathewoofi have to use one of those old dvd-rom thingys.01:35
wxland you want have stuff like kde libs (which i see peppermint uses for a couple apps)01:35
mikathewoofremember those? they are discs that spin!01:35
wxl:)01:35
mikathewoofkde!?   nooo!01:36
wxlyou're speaking to someone who grew up using 5.25" floppies01:36
wxlnot quite old enough to have said i used 8.5" but i saw them :)01:36
mikathewoofi bet we are close in age.01:36
wxl"back in my day we rolled our own kernels" :)01:36
mikathewoofback in my day we used windows.01:36
mikathewoofheh01:36
wxlbah01:36
mikathewooferr, well dos i shoudl say.01:37
wxlback in my day we used cp/m or dos :)01:37
wxltook me a bit to find freebsd and thus began a love affair with the unix-like os…01:37
mikathewoofi remember when i had to type 'win' to get into windows.01:37
* wxl shares off into the distance wistfully01:37
mikathewoofi didn't find linux till i was like 20 or something like that. and i've gone back and forth...01:38
=== mikathewoof is now known as xwl
xwlnow i'm cool.01:38
wxli remember getting xp and typing some command in dos and it said wrong version, so i ran ver and it said "windows 95 dos"01:38
=== xwl is now known as lxw
lxw(that one was regg'd)01:38
wxlthat was game over for windows01:38
=== wxl is now known as foowehtakim
foowehtakimno, i'm the cool one now.01:39
lxwi need a smoke. i must prepare my brain for wiping this peppermint..01:39
=== foowehtakim is now known as wxl
wxl:)01:39
lxwmika is my puppy's name.01:39
wxlcute01:39
lxwhe be cute....   http://dogoftheday.com/archive/2013/January/22.html          (i did not write the lame lil description thingy about him though)01:40
wxllxw: pretty darn cute. well good luck not being distracted by him while you wipe the peppermint away. i'm headed home. ta!01:43
lxwthanks again wxl....01:56
tortikLubuntu 12.04, update problem: after I click 'install updates' I get an error http://paste.kde.org/682712/61941486/ What is the problem?05:06
holsteintortik: i would just wait a bit... could be a bad mirror05:07
Unit193tortik: sudo apt-get update first.05:21
Unit193And that censored IP isn't yours.05:21
tortikIP was replaced by me05:21
tortikUnit193: thanks after 'sudo aptitude update' updation was complete well.05:24
AnalogConspiracyHello.17:42
AnalogConspiracyCan anyone help me?18:42
inductiveloadAnalogConspiracy: depends on your problem...18:46
AnalogConspiracyDo you know anything about USB tethering? Or USB WiFi adapters? Either or.18:46
inductiveloadno really, but what is the problem?18:47
AnalogConspiracyI'll start with the WiFi adapter. Here's the lsusb.18:47
AnalogConspiracyBus 001 Device 009: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device (Multicard Reader) Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub18:47
AnalogConspiracyThis WiFi adapter randomly decides to stop working. I have an app, Barnacle, that allows me to use wireless tethering. Coupled with this, is actually how I'm on here at this moment.18:48
AnalogConspiracyBut it randomly stops working, and I can't seem to figure out why or what may be causing it.18:48
AnalogConspiracyIt worked on Windows just fine. Flawlessly even.18:49
AnalogConspiracyIf I can get the adapter working as well as it did with Windows, then I won't have a need for the USB tethering.18:49
c-abhey, any idea how to change brightness?18:49
inductiveloadAnalogConspiracy: don't know, sorry :-(18:53
inductiveloadwhat version of lubuntu do you have?18:54
inductiveloadc-ab: "xbacklight --set 100" ?19:00
inductiveloadi don't have an adjustable backlight display here, so can't tell you for sure19:00
c-abinductiveload: thx I'm searhing through ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml to set a key binding but don't find anything linked with LCD broghtness19:01
c-abinductiveload: I need to install xbacklight19:02
inductiveloadsudo apt-get install backlight19:04
c-ab-display <display> or -d <display>19:11
c-abI need to tell the display19:12
c-absudo xbacklight -1019:14
c-abNo outputs have backlight property19:14
inductiveload-d :019:14
inductiveloadthen idon't knopw19:15
inductiveloadmight be worth reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight19:16
c-abhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight19:17
c-ab^ will try this19:18
c-ablol didn't see you posted it19:18
inductiveloadgot to go, sorry. hope you get it working19:19
sacthello, my computer with lubuntu 12.04 just froze up, and i had to do reboot, but after that i have been unable to login with my account, because after typing my password, i end up swiftly back to login screen, also i had encrypted my homefolder, could that be the related?22:31
AnalogConspiracyCan anyone assist me with the location of a certain module with Synaptic?22:31
AnalogConspiracyParticularly, linux-backport-modules-wireless-*22:31
AnalogConspiracyI can't really find what I'm supposed to be looking for in Synaptic.22:31
cerebratedo you know about repos22:32
cerebraterepositories22:33
Unit193It would appear it isn't in quantal, AnalogConspiracy.22:33
cerebratei guess you could enable some more and then do a general search22:33
cerebrateoh22:33
AnalogConspiracyAhhh.22:33
AnalogConspiracyI was afraid of that answer, Unit193. :(22:33
Unit193What are you looking for?22:33
AnalogConspiracyIt's for my NetGear 1100 WNA 150N type modem. One second, I'll post lsusb22:33
Unit193sact: I'd say to remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority, but with encrypted home...22:34
AnalogConspiracyanalogconspiracy@analogconspiracy-EL1331G:~$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device (Multicard Reader) Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub22:34
AnalogConspiracyI don't have an encrypted home folder. Should I have one?22:34
Unit193AnalogConspiracy: No, shouldn't need one.22:34
AnalogConspiracyThis driver should be native, anyway... but I have ndiswrapper, if I need it.22:35
AnalogConspiracyDo you know where I may find .Xauthority and .ICEauthority? What would removing them do?22:35
Unit193AnalogConspiracy: That wasn't to you.22:35
AnalogConspiracyAhh. Oops.22:36
AnalogConspiracy:)22:36
AnalogConspiracyWhat would you recommend I do, if I may ask?22:36
Unit193AnalogConspiracy: Did you try firmware-atheros ?22:38
Unit193!info firmware-atheros22:38
ubottuPackage firmware-atheros does not exist in quantal22:38
Unit193Oh.22:39
AnalogConspiracyI hadn't tried that, but thank you for at least throwing the idea out there. I've looked everywhere, and I can't seem to find much working support. So, hopefully, if we can find a solution, I wouldn't mind writing an article and trying to throw it up on the 'net22:39
Unit193(It's in another repo I have, thus I thought it was in main, sorry.)22:40
AnalogConspiracyHehe. :)22:40
AnalogConspiracy Hmmm. Well, I don't really know a way to update my wireless modules, then.22:44
AnalogConspiracyLike I said, this chipset should be native, so things like WINE (which would just get in the way, but not in my case, as I'd need to install it and then extract the .inf and whatever else I need) and ndiswrapper aren't really needed.22:45
sactbooyah22:45
sactUnit193, thank you very very much22:45
AnalogConspiracyHmmm...22:46
AnalogConspiracysudo modprobe -m --> adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper.conf ...22:46
AnalogConspiracyAnother question. From here, should I disable and then enable Wireless? Or maybe restart the udev service? Or just reboot the computer?22:47
gomiboyAnalogConspiracy: i have an atheros 9271 based card, the firmware is in linux-firmware package22:49
AnalogConspiracyI have one with that chipset. I've done a multitude of things, but this is my first time working with ndiswrapper.22:50
AnalogConspiracyThis should probably make it work.22:50
AnalogConspiracyBut the problem is, it just shuts off. There's no "off" button, per se, but that's pretty much how it reacts.22:50
AnalogConspiracyI'd have to take it out, wait about ten seconds or so, and then plug it in again to make it active.22:50
AnalogConspiracyOh, wait. I had to read what you said again. Sorry, I'm stupid. :P22:51
AnalogConspiracyI'll be able to find that firmware package in Synaptic, right?22:51
gomiboyyes, linux-firmware is the name22:52
AnalogConspiracyAhhh. I see I already have it installed.22:52
AnalogConspiracyThere is a nonfree package that I have not installed.22:53
gomiboythen it should be here: /lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw22:53
AnalogConspiracyAlright, will check now.22:53
AnalogConspiracyI do have that file. Just curious if it would work with Leafpad, but nothing's there.22:54
=== sact1 is now known as sact
Mark__Hello is anyone here?23:38
Mark__I found a solution to all of the installation problems on powerpc lubuntu. I don't know how to go about contacting the development team.23:40
AnalogConspiracyI'd probably post a note in the forums.23:44
nothingspecialtry the mailing list also23:47
nothingspecialMark__: ^^23:47
Mark__Alright I will.23:48
nothingspecialMark__: lxde-list@lists.sourceforge.net23:49
nothingspecialI will reply on the forums also23:49
Mark__Posted under "hardware"23:53
nothingspecialalready replied :)23:54
Mark__Awesome. Have a good one23:55
* nothingspecial has his finger on the pulse23:55

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