=== sagaci is now known as jpickett [00:17] i would like my computer when it boots up to automatically login and have the desktop sitting there waiting for me. i know this sounds like something to easily google how to do, but there are tons of pages with OBSOLETE info on how to do this. [00:17] i'm sure it's easy. but i'm sick of reading instructions on OLD ways to accomplish this. [00:18] also, i do not like screwing with system files just hoping they will do as i want them to. [00:18] mikathewoof: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Boot_Install_Login#How_to_enable_automatic_logon [00:27] ok... well, i have Peppermint. [00:27] that didn't work. [00:28] i told it to use Peppermint as the session... it doesn't care. [00:28] can i get off this peppermint and use lubuntu? aren't they very similar? [00:28] i just want a very light weight ubuntu based distro as the computer i'm putting it on is very old and slow. [00:34] how can i get rid of this peppermint and use lubuntu? [00:40] hello? [00:52] how do i edit a user using the command line? i tried to make this thing not ask for a password on startup, but now i can not login at all. i want to un-do this. [00:52] i did it with the gui, but now i can not boot into a gui [00:52] sorry mikathewoof worked called. [00:52] uuuh, forget this stupid peppermint... [00:52] i want just lubuntu. [00:52] sooooooooooo i don't really use peppermint so don't know what to tell you :) [00:52] but you can just go install lubuntu [00:52] i know... pepp sucks. there is no support for it. [00:53] yeah, i want to inst. lubuntu (not wipe the thing though) [00:53] that's kind of sad [00:53] can that be done? [00:53] it seemed like a good project [00:53] sure [00:53] i assume you want to just keep your home? [00:54] yeah, i have a ftp server and x11vnc and irc and daemons setup i want to keep set. [00:55] i'm getting screwy gfx on that system too... geez. [00:55] welllll if you have servers than that may not be in /home unless you explictly set it as such [00:55] maybe i should just wipe it. [00:55] harumph [00:55] uuugh. i just don't wnat to wipe it. [00:56] ssh smbd vnc ftp irc other daemons i'll have to re-do... [00:56] poop. [00:56] the computer is more of a server if ya know what i mean. [00:56] yeah [00:56] why you even running a gui if it's a server? [00:56] i take away the monitor and kboard and mouse after it's setup.. [00:56] cause i need a gui for somethings as i'm not a cli expert. [00:57] well then you shouldn't be running servers XD [00:57] that's why i call it 'more of a server' and not a server. [00:57] i'm not running a 'server' i'm running a normal distro that pretends it is one. [00:57] 1s [00:57] can i install lubuntu over top of this thing? [00:57] yeah the installer will let you install alongside [00:58] i.e. dualboot [00:58] i understand lubuntu is quite similar to peppermint. [00:58] you could migrate over your files [00:58] i wuld just need to save some config files. like all those things i have setup i guess. [00:58] you could figure out which files are needed by each server [00:59] man pages can help with that [00:59] and possibly lsof [00:59] heh. yeah... [00:59] i guess i'll just do it the long way. [00:59] that's probably shorter than figuring out how to make peppermint work [01:00] where does peppermint pull packages from? canonical? [01:00] peppermint is just fine, cept there is no support and that is no good for me. the chat room is deaad. [01:00] yeah. [01:00] oh [01:00] well there may be a kind of easy way [01:00] is it all canonical? no can't be [01:00] specific artwork [01:00] peppermint is some kind of variant of lubuntu i am pretty sure. [01:01] you could edit your software sources [01:01] get rid of the peppermint sources [01:01] and then install the lubuntu metapackages [01:01] and you'll be running lubuntu [01:01] when i apt-get update it hits ubuntu.com like crazy on the peppermint os. [01:01] on your otherwise existant system [01:01] although some of those packages won't disappear that you already have [01:02] that's what i mean, i iwant to inst. lubuntu ontop of this pepp. and when i login, just choose lubuntu always. THEN after that works, kill peppermint. [01:02] i can't imagine why that wouldn't work [01:02] since it doesn't REMOVE peppermint, which is just a session, it should work [01:03] but if it's using lxde and lubuntu uses lightdm who knows what the end result will be [01:03] or maybe i should just wipe it. [01:03] try the above and if it doesn't work, wipe it :) [01:03] you can certainly save your home, though [01:03] for sure [01:03] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1569675 [01:05] alrighty... thanks for your help mister wxl. [01:05] np [01:05] hey mikathewoof [01:05] quick question [01:05] yeah? [01:05] apt-cache policy lightdm — shows an installed version number or not? [01:06] lightdm: [01:06] Installed: 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 [01:06] Candidate: 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 [01:06] Version table: [01:06] *** 1.2.3-0ubuntu1 0 [01:06] 500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise-updates/main i386 Packages [01:06] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [01:06] 1.2.1-0ubuntu1 0 [01:06] oh don't get kicked [01:06] 500 http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ precise/main i386 Packages [01:06] why would it kick me? we are the only ones talking in here. [01:06] long story short it's installed [01:06] so that's a good sign [01:06] how can you flood a chan when it's only just us talking? [01:06] oh sometimes the network will kick you for flooding [01:07] i.e. automatic [01:07] no need for pastebin if it's just us. [01:07] besides it's highly likely others are lurking [01:07] we always are [01:07] anywho it's a good sign [01:07] you have the same setup as current lubuntu [01:07] i though can not login as my main user on that computer. (the pepp one) i tried to make it auto login, now it just will not login at all. [01:08] that being said my guess is that installing the lubuntu metapackages will result in extra sessions in your login [01:08] i created another user days ago, it's a 'user' not an 'admin' on it though. i can log in as that. [01:08] you can't login as the admin? [01:08] right. my user is broken somehow. [01:09] well you could undo what you did fairly easily [01:09] when you get to the login, hit ctrl-alt-f1 which will get you to a terminal [01:09] edit /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf and take out that section you added [01:09] then you can ctrl-alt-f7 to get back [01:10] i can ssh in.... [01:10] yeah do that! [01:10] even easier [01:10] and then boot the thing back up and it should be the way it was before [01:10] i wish it was like it was before... [01:11] i've commented out anything wierd in that lightdm.conf... rebooting it now... [01:12] still can't login... [01:12] i hate this thing. [01:12] ok now that's strange [01:12] does it give you a password error? [01:13] i select my user, type in the password. it goes to a blk scr, then just comes right back to the login screen. [01:13] no, i am not typing it wrong, it's only four chars. hard to get wrong. [01:13] so you can login via ssh with that user but not in the login screen? [01:13] right. [01:13] ssh no prob... [01:13] hm [01:13] it's like when i put in my password the stuipd thing doesn't know how to load the next thing. [01:14] i wonder what the lightdm.conf was before [01:14] cuz there is none in lubuntu initially afaik [01:14] it can't even login to openbox instead of peppermint. [01:14] hold on i'm going to look into peppermint a bit [01:14] hey they've got peppermint shirts if you want [01:15] [01:15] this: http://peppermintos.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=4798 [01:15] who would buy a shirt to a distro no one has ever heard of? [01:15] i've heard of it [01:15] first off, no one knows what linux is. second, it's a rare distro... heh. [01:15] do they have a tool to search for packages online like packages.ubuntu.com [01:15] ? [01:16] it would just be the same as ubuntu packages. [01:16] well i would expect not [01:16] could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list ? [01:16] i will try the apt-get install lubuntu or something after i can get this login thingy fixed. [01:16] kinda hard when i can only ssh into it. [01:16] not true [01:17] sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get -y install pastebinit && cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit [01:17] in fact if you're running irssi you can run that last command separately inside irssi as /exec -out cat /etc/apt/sources.list | pastebinit [01:18] i'm just using xchat. [01:18] it's gto a command for that too [01:18] don't remember it tho [01:18] i just changed the account to admin on the other pruter... [01:19] nope, that was useless. [01:19] installing lubuntu is not gonna help if i can't login to this thing... [01:19] well my guess is lightdm is messed up slightly [01:19] the config [01:19] or the session is [01:19] you should at least have a working lubuntu session [01:20] http://pastebin.com/0TbKu3HP [01:21] weird [01:21] not a single unique source [01:21] how do they deal with upgrades? [01:22] oh well you don't care XD [01:22] maybe they don't upgrade much... [01:22] long story short is that if you just go ahead and install the lubuntu metapackages i think you'll be good [01:22] so i can apt-get install lubuntu and that should do er? [01:22] too bad my login is screwed. [01:23] i need a place to change how it logs in or something... [01:23] well as i said i think the install will fix it [01:23] i know that doesn't seem like it makes sense but it does [01:24] so install lubuntu-desktop and then do a dist-upgrade and you should be good to go [01:24] ok, it's doing it... [01:25] though, in my login screen i see 'which session to log into' peppermint or openbox clicking either doesn't do me any good. so if another option is lubuntu, who knows if that is going to do any good either. [01:25] thanks for the help, i have to be off to work. i'll let yoiu know how things went sir. [01:25] if it doesn't work you can try to reinstall lightdm [01:25] good luck! [01:25] and if i'm really scrwed, i can just wipe it. heh. [01:26] ↑ see what i said about reinstalling lightdm, though [01:26] * mikathewoof curses peppermint and their obsolete 'help' [01:26] i think that would be a good fallback if lubuntu-desktop doesn't do the trick [01:26] yep. will do. [01:26] well mint sucks, too, in that regard [01:26] in fact, most of those little distros do [01:26] it's peppermint, not linuxmint [01:26] i know [01:26] big diff.... i like linuxmint. but it's a pig [01:26] but was statinmg that mint with its greater popularity has no better support really [01:27] and then there's bodhi [01:27] oh lord [01:27] yeah, and they are on some lil obsure spotchat server. that's just dumb. [01:27] :) [01:27] bodhi i tried, it is pathetic. [01:27] it's like bodhi is in beta or someeting. [01:28] totally [01:28] i like enlightment to some degree, though [01:28] i keep navigating back to lxde though [01:28] thus the reason i'm here :) [01:29] i spend most of my time in bash. if it weren't for a few gui programs i need it for, i'd run framebuffer :) [01:29] one quick question. is lubuntu the exact same thing as vanilla ubuntu -- just with a different way of showing you a desktop? [01:30] that's *almost* right [01:30] a diff DE [01:30] every distro (and let's think of every variant of ubuntu as a different distro) has not only different desktops, but different apps [01:30] i get DE and window manger and session mixed all up. [01:30] so there are many stock ubuntu apps that are not in lubuntu [01:30] lubuntu is meant to be a cohesive but universally lightweight os [01:31] it's soo dumb when i read a review of a distro and it talks about what it comes with... who gives a $I(# just install and remove what ever you don't / do want. [01:31] it's true [01:31] good. that what you just said is what i want. [01:31] you can actually build up ubuntu to be what you want [01:31] and in fact instead of installing lubuntu-desktop yo ucould only install the component pieces [01:31] i do not need gimp for example. that thing sucks. i'd rather run photoshop in a vm. [01:31] or you could install lubuntu-core and have even less [01:32] OR if you want the absolute almost nothing to it, you could install lubuntu-core without recommends [01:32] more than one way to skin a cat [01:32] what would lubuntu-desktop give me that lubunt-core wouldn't? [01:32] all of the apps basically [01:32] i don't want the apps. i just want the packages that normally come with it. if that makes sense. [01:33] this should help yo uunderstand that https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall [01:33] though how can i use the lubuntu live cd to install just --core [01:33] so you can install lubuntu-core package and you won't get abiword for example [01:33] oh. ok. i'll read. [01:33] if you click on the elements in the table if gives you a list of the installed packages [01:34] and if i find there are a ton of things i need that aren't there in --core, then i can just apt-get install lubuntu-desktop right? [01:34] or install only the ones you want, a package at a time, yes [01:34] cool. imma do that then. [01:34] and this is why linux rules: package management [01:34] i'm gonna wipe the crap out of this stupid peppermint sys. [01:34] high five for gparted! [01:35] heh [01:35] too bad the old computer can't boot off of usb key though. [01:35] it's probably easier to start that way if you're going to build bit by bit [01:35] i have to use one of those old dvd-rom thingys. [01:35] and you want have stuff like kde libs (which i see peppermint uses for a couple apps) [01:35] remember those? they are discs that spin! [01:35] :) [01:36] kde!? nooo! [01:36] you're speaking to someone who grew up using 5.25" floppies [01:36] not quite old enough to have said i used 8.5" but i saw them :) [01:36] i bet we are close in age. [01:36] "back in my day we rolled our own kernels" :) [01:36] back in my day we used windows. [01:36] heh [01:36] bah [01:37] err, well dos i shoudl say. [01:37] back in my day we used cp/m or dos :) [01:37] took me a bit to find freebsd and thus began a love affair with the unix-like os… [01:37] i remember when i had to type 'win' to get into windows. [01:37] * wxl shares off into the distance wistfully [01:38] i didn't find linux till i was like 20 or something like that. and i've gone back and forth... === mikathewoof is now known as xwl [01:38] now i'm cool. [01:38] i remember getting xp and typing some command in dos and it said wrong version, so i ran ver and it said "windows 95 dos" === xwl is now known as lxw [01:38] (that one was regg'd) [01:38] that was game over for windows === wxl is now known as foowehtakim [01:39] no, i'm the cool one now. [01:39] i need a smoke. i must prepare my brain for wiping this peppermint.. === foowehtakim is now known as wxl [01:39] :) [01:39] mika is my puppy's name. [01:39] cute [01:40] he be cute.... http://dogoftheday.com/archive/2013/January/22.html (i did not write the lame lil description thingy about him though) [01:43] lxw: pretty darn cute. well good luck not being distracted by him while you wipe the peppermint away. i'm headed home. ta! [01:56] thanks again wxl.... [05:06] Lubuntu 12.04, update problem: after I click 'install updates' I get an error http://paste.kde.org/682712/61941486/ What is the problem? [05:07] tortik: i would just wait a bit... could be a bad mirror [05:21] tortik: sudo apt-get update first. [05:21] And that censored IP isn't yours. [05:21] IP was replaced by me [05:24] Unit193: thanks after 'sudo aptitude update' updation was complete well. [17:42] Hello. [18:42] Can anyone help me? [18:46] AnalogConspiracy: depends on your problem... [18:46] Do you know anything about USB tethering? Or USB WiFi adapters? Either or. [18:47] no really, but what is the problem? [18:47] I'll start with the WiFi adapter. Here's the lsusb. [18:47] Bus 001 Device 009: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device (Multicard Reader) Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub [18:48] This WiFi adapter randomly decides to stop working. I have an app, Barnacle, that allows me to use wireless tethering. Coupled with this, is actually how I'm on here at this moment. [18:48] But it randomly stops working, and I can't seem to figure out why or what may be causing it. [18:49] It worked on Windows just fine. Flawlessly even. [18:49] If I can get the adapter working as well as it did with Windows, then I won't have a need for the USB tethering. [18:49] hey, any idea how to change brightness? [18:53] AnalogConspiracy: don't know, sorry :-( [18:54] what version of lubuntu do you have? [19:00] c-ab: "xbacklight --set 100" ? [19:00] i don't have an adjustable backlight display here, so can't tell you for sure [19:01] inductiveload: thx I'm searhing through ~/.config/openbox/lubuntu-rc.xml to set a key binding but don't find anything linked with LCD broghtness [19:02] inductiveload: I need to install xbacklight [19:04] sudo apt-get install backlight [19:11] -display or -d [19:12] I need to tell the display [19:14] sudo xbacklight -10 [19:14] No outputs have backlight property [19:14] -d :0 [19:15] then idon't knopw [19:16] might be worth reading https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight [19:17] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Backlight [19:18] ^ will try this [19:18] lol didn't see you posted it [19:19] got to go, sorry. hope you get it working [22:31] hello, my computer with lubuntu 12.04 just froze up, and i had to do reboot, but after that i have been unable to login with my account, because after typing my password, i end up swiftly back to login screen, also i had encrypted my homefolder, could that be the related? [22:31] Can anyone assist me with the location of a certain module with Synaptic? [22:31] Particularly, linux-backport-modules-wireless-* [22:31] I can't really find what I'm supposed to be looking for in Synaptic. [22:32] do you know about repos [22:33] repositories [22:33] It would appear it isn't in quantal, AnalogConspiracy. [22:33] i guess you could enable some more and then do a general search [22:33] oh [22:33] Ahhh. [22:33] I was afraid of that answer, Unit193. :( [22:33] What are you looking for? [22:33] It's for my NetGear 1100 WNA 150N type modem. One second, I'll post lsusb [22:34] sact: I'd say to remove .Xauthority and .ICEauthority, but with encrypted home... [22:34] analogconspiracy@analogconspiracy-EL1331G:~$ lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0846:9030 NetGear, Inc. WNA1100 Wireless-N 150 [Atheros AR9271] Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0bda:0151 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. Mass Storage Device (Multicard Reader) Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub [22:34] I don't have an encrypted home folder. Should I have one? [22:34] AnalogConspiracy: No, shouldn't need one. [22:35] This driver should be native, anyway... but I have ndiswrapper, if I need it. [22:35] Do you know where I may find .Xauthority and .ICEauthority? What would removing them do? [22:35] AnalogConspiracy: That wasn't to you. [22:36] Ahh. Oops. [22:36] :) [22:36] What would you recommend I do, if I may ask? [22:38] AnalogConspiracy: Did you try firmware-atheros ? [22:38] !info firmware-atheros [22:38] Package firmware-atheros does not exist in quantal [22:39] Oh. [22:39] I hadn't tried that, but thank you for at least throwing the idea out there. I've looked everywhere, and I can't seem to find much working support. So, hopefully, if we can find a solution, I wouldn't mind writing an article and trying to throw it up on the 'net [22:40] (It's in another repo I have, thus I thought it was in main, sorry.) [22:40] Hehe. :) [22:44] Hmmm. Well, I don't really know a way to update my wireless modules, then. [22:45] Like I said, this chipset should be native, so things like WINE (which would just get in the way, but not in my case, as I'd need to install it and then extract the .inf and whatever else I need) and ndiswrapper aren't really needed. [22:45] booyah [22:45] Unit193, thank you very very much [22:46] Hmmm... [22:46] sudo modprobe -m --> adding "alias wlan0 ndiswrapper" to /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper.conf ... [22:47] Another question. From here, should I disable and then enable Wireless? Or maybe restart the udev service? Or just reboot the computer? [22:49] AnalogConspiracy: i have an atheros 9271 based card, the firmware is in linux-firmware package [22:50] I have one with that chipset. I've done a multitude of things, but this is my first time working with ndiswrapper. [22:50] This should probably make it work. [22:50] But the problem is, it just shuts off. There's no "off" button, per se, but that's pretty much how it reacts. [22:50] I'd have to take it out, wait about ten seconds or so, and then plug it in again to make it active. [22:51] Oh, wait. I had to read what you said again. Sorry, I'm stupid. :P [22:51] I'll be able to find that firmware package in Synaptic, right? [22:52] yes, linux-firmware is the name [22:52] Ahhh. I see I already have it installed. [22:53] There is a nonfree package that I have not installed. [22:53] then it should be here: /lib/firmware/htc_9271.fw [22:53] Alright, will check now. [22:54] I do have that file. Just curious if it would work with Leafpad, but nothing's there. === sact1 is now known as sact [23:38] Hello is anyone here? [23:40] I found a solution to all of the installation problems on powerpc lubuntu. I don't know how to go about contacting the development team. [23:44] I'd probably post a note in the forums. [23:47] try the mailing list also [23:47] Mark__: ^^ [23:48] Alright I will. [23:49] Mark__: lxde-list@lists.sourceforge.net [23:49] I will reply on the forums also [23:53] Posted under "hardware" [23:54] already replied :) [23:55] Awesome. Have a good one [23:55] * nothingspecial has his finger on the pulse