[00:01] <IdleOne> bkerensa: does that client work on 12.10+ ?
[00:01] <jcastro> I've never seen BBB work
[00:01] <bkerensa> IdleOne: yes... and in fact jcastro could easily have someone make a juju charm and bam uds-button.ubuntu.com could be born
[00:01] <bkerensa> ;)
[00:01] <jcastro> and tbh, I don't think we want to be in the video hosting business
[00:02] <bkerensa> jcastro: its more of the summit business... you can offload video to youtube for storage
[00:02] <bkerensa> or any platform for that matter
[00:02] <jcastro> I don't like being in the summit business either. :)
[00:03] <IdleOne> bkerensa: thing is the repos is for lucid and that has me concerned a little
[00:03] <IdleOne> but will give it a shot
[00:05] <bkerensa> IdleOne: let me know if not... I know someone who works with the BigBlueButton people and we can ping them to make any needed changes
[00:05] <bkerensa> :D
[00:06] <JoseeAntonioR> imbrandon, jono: see bug 1130454
[00:06] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1130454 in Lernid "Support ubuntu-on-air" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1130454
[00:06] <imbrandon> JoseeAntonioR: cool
[00:21] <IdleOne> bkerensa: ruby1.92 depends on libffi5 which is not available in raring
[00:22] <bkerensa> IdleOne: ok Ill ping
[00:22] <IdleOne> what would be wonderful is if they could provide packages for each release
[00:23] <IdleOne> instead of making it this scary compiling and running .sh scripts.
[00:27] <bkerensa> IdleOne: ohhh now shell scripts are not scary :)
[00:28] <IdleOne> I always try to look at things from a new to linux user perspective
[00:28] <IdleOne> this method can be intimidating
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[04:06] <philipballew> jono, So I'm renting a van, bringing the LoCo over to your place next week for UDS lunch. Better be ready!
[04:06]  * philipballew runs and hides
[04:06] <pleia2> lol
[04:07] <bkerensa> ;)
[04:07] <bkerensa> His bbq does look good huh
[04:09] <philipballew> I'll take him hunting the weekend before.
[04:22] <jono> lol
[04:23] <jono> pleia2, do you think if I was to do a LoCo BBQ that the team might be interested?
[04:23] <jono> could be fun to smoke up some ribs for everyone
[04:23] <pleia2> jono: yep, I think they would!
[04:23] <jono> pleia2, cool
[04:23] <jono> just need to find a place to do it
[04:23] <jono> my place isnt really big enoughj
[04:24] <jono> will have a look into it
[04:24] <pleia2> (I don't actually eat ribs though, tend to be pork and ribs kinda creep me out)
[04:25] <pleia2> I like my meat to not remotely resemble the critter I am eating
[04:27] <jono> pleia2, yeah I could figure out what people enjoy eating
[04:28] <jono> maybe some chicken and some veggies too
[04:28] <jono> could be fun
[04:28] <pleia2> :)
[04:28] <jono> I am thinking doing it in a park could be cool
[04:28] <jono> I could bring out my smoker
[04:28] <pleia2> yeah, we had geeknics at heather farm park before
[04:28] <pleia2> nice place, can bring your own cook stuff
[04:28] <jono> cool
[04:29] <jono> oh thats cool
[04:29] <jono> I am good to go, all my BBQ stuff is transportable
[04:29] <pleia2> nice
[05:27] <jono> philipballew, was talking to pleia2, would be fun to do a BBQ
[05:27] <jono> philipballew, might try and organize one in a few weeks
[05:27] <jono> would be good practice for me as I want to do a competition this summer too :-)
[05:28] <philipballew> jono, that sounds like a pretty cool idea.   I like that.
[05:28] <jono> philipballew, sorry we didn't get a chance to talk LoCos at SCALE
[05:28] <jono> want to get on the phone later this week?
[05:29] <philipballew> jono, yes. I can do anytime after Thursday lunch. Working until then.
[05:29] <jono> can you do Fri?
[05:30] <jono> philipballew, Fri at 2pm?
[05:30] <philipballew> jono, yes. Friday at two works perfect.
[05:30] <jono> philipballew, cool
[05:30] <jono> speak then!
[05:30] <jono> btrb
[07:29] <dholbach> good morning
[07:30] <JoseeAntonioR> hey, D!
[07:32] <dholbach> yo J!
[09:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[09:10] <philipballew> hello czajkowski
[09:11] <bkerensa> czajkowski: morning czajkowski
[09:21] <czajkowski> how is it only wednesday :/
[09:22] <bkerensa> czajkowski: I wish it was Friday
[09:25] <czajkowski> I've Friday off so I just need to get through tomorrow and the massive amout of work on my to do list
[09:25] <philipballew> I fly to Sacramento on Friday.
[09:25] <philipballew> Week off school and work
[09:26] <bkerensa> czajkowski: your doing two jobs now right?
[09:26] <czajkowski> it's two roles I guess
[09:27] <bkerensa> czajkowski: quite a lot of work then :s
[09:27] <czajkowski> I'm still the LP person for support in the community and also internally
[09:27] <bkerensa> czajkowski: hopefully you get a vacation this summer
[09:27] <czajkowski> and now I've moved to online services where I'm reviewing and testing commercial apps
[09:27] <bkerensa> +1
[09:27] <popey> i was watching the MWC video last night.. Sophie came over and looked at the screen... "Mark Shuttleworth? Is that the space guy?" - "Yes, yes it is."
[09:28] <philipballew> "Hi, I'm that guy who went to space."
[09:29] <czajkowski> popey: she's a smart one!
[09:29] <bkerensa> I wish people knew him more for his work with Thawte then Space
[09:29] <czajkowski> keep her!
[09:30] <popey> they love watching the ISS go over
[09:30] <bkerensa> Did any of you have a free thawte certificate way back when?
[09:30] <popey> digital certificates aren't interesting to 9 year olds
[09:30] <popey> space stations are
[09:30] <bkerensa> =o
[09:32]  * popey toasts a cinnamon bagel
[09:32] <czajkowski> hmmm tempted to have a bacon sandwich if there is bread there
[09:33] <bkerensa> czajkowski: BLT? :)
[09:33] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[09:33] <popey> cat in explorer mode today
[09:34] <czajkowski> bkerensa: nooooo no L or T just bacon, with some brown sauce and a bucket of tea
[09:34] <bkerensa> uhh brown sauce... dare I ask if you mean marmite?
[09:34] <bkerensa> :d
[09:34] <czajkowski> NO!
[09:34] <bkerensa> ;p
[09:34] <czajkowski> yuck
[09:34] <bkerensa> and damn... they make buckets of tea?
[09:34] <bkerensa> :D
[09:35] <czajkowski> popey: want some chickens to go with cats :D
[09:36] <popey> s/go with/get eaten by/
[09:36] <czajkowski> cat next door has already been and looked at the cage
[09:36] <czajkowski> chickens were unimpressed
[09:36] <czajkowski> http://exastack.com/webcam/ for context
[09:39] <bkerensa> popey: is it freezing outside? The plants look white
[09:41] <popey> yeah, the webcam messes with the colours
[09:41] <popey> its only a cheapo one
[09:41] <popey> those plants are green
[09:42] <popey> i need to find an imagemagic incantation to fix the colours somehow
[09:42] <czajkowski> popey: is it the tcl one that jon and AlanBell have ?
[09:44] <popey> simliar
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[10:43] <AlanBell> the webcam has a colour sensor and a black and white IR sensor, so when it is a bit dark the colours get washed out
[10:45] <AlanBell> you need to throw them some corn or grapes to tempt them outside
[10:47] <czajkowski> AlanBell: who does?
[11:02] <dholbach> dpm, do you think https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices/PortTemplate is what Sergio and Ricardo were looking for?
[11:04] <dpm> looking...
[11:04] <AlanBell> czajkowski: someone with grapes
[11:19] <dholbach> dpm, looks good? :-P
[11:20] <dpm> dholbach, sorry, I was being pinged somewhere else. Looks good to me, yes :) Just a small detail, perhaps we should name the template to TouchDeviceTemplate? What do you think?
[11:20] <dholbach> dpm, Touch/Devices/PortTemplate
[11:21] <dholbach> dpm, so people would use Touch/Devices/SonyXperiaS for example
[11:21] <dpm> yeah, I know that's the name. I meant TouchDeviceTemplate instead of PortTemplate
[11:21] <dholbach> Touch/Devices/TouchDeviceTemplate?
[11:22] <dpm> anyway, just an idea. I haven't been working with templates - do they need to be on the top level at w.u.c or can they be in subpages?
[11:22] <dpm> I meant I haven't been working with templates _for a while_
[11:22] <dholbach> they can be subpages as well
[11:23] <dholbach> ie https://wiki.ubuntu.com/abccc
[11:25] <dpm> dholbach, ok cool. As I said, just an idea, you're the one implementing it, so you've got the last word :)
[11:25] <dholbach> I'm not too fussed about the name - I'm happy for it to be whatever as long as people use it ;-)
[11:25] <dholbach> I'll mail Sergio and Ricardo
[11:26] <dpm> cool
[11:27] <dholbach> thanks!
[13:23] <smartboyhw> Anyone from the Ubuntu Community Council?
[13:24]  * popey points at czajkowski and pleia2 
[13:24] <czajkowski> ello
[13:24]  * czajkowski is mid way through lunch but am semi here 
[13:24] <smartboyhw> czajkowski, private message?
[13:24] <czajkowski> sure
[13:24] <czajkowski> disregard the away message :)
[13:25] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:26] <smartboyhw> Guys, I would be working on a Android + Ubuntu Phone app for Planet Ubuntu!
[13:26] <dpm> nice!
[13:26] <smartboyhw> dpm, :)
[13:26] <dpm> keep us posted on updates!
[13:27] <smartboyhw> dpm, OK:)
[13:30] <smartboyhw> dpm, what do you think about the Android versions that I should support? At least 2.2 or even lower?
[13:31] <dpm> smartboyhw, I'm by no means an expert in Android, but as general advice, if this is your first mobile app, I'd recommend keeping a scope that's not too broad, so perhaps just ICS and Jellybean?
[13:32] <smartboyhw> dpm, I think it should also work for 2.3 at least
[13:32] <smartboyhw> It has more market share than others till real late 2012.
[13:32]  * smartboyhw decides to go for Android 2.3
[13:33] <dpm> sounds good, then :)
[13:34] <smartboyhw> dpm, actually another reason for that: My Android device is only a Android 2.3.6 and cannot be upgraded to 4.0 because it is ARMv6:P
[13:36] <dpm> :)
[13:36] <dpm> indeed, you should make sure you support at least your own phone :)
[13:36] <smartboyhw> dpm, :)
[13:55] <paultag> no jorge :'(
[13:57] <smartboyhw> dpm, BTW is there a RSS feed link for Planet Ubuntu?
[13:58]  * smartboyhw can't find it
[14:00] <czajkowski> paultag: jcastro
[14:00] <paultag> Oh he is here
[14:00] <paultag> thanks czajkowski
[14:00] <paultag> hey jcastro, around?
[14:01] <popey> smartboyhw: http://planet.ubuntu.com/rss20.xml
[14:01] <smartboyhw> popey, thanks
[14:02] <jcastro> paultag: yeah
[14:02] <paultag> jcastro: I was wondering if you still had that RAID device that you could hot-swap drives on, I remember you raving about it a few OLFs ago
[14:03] <paultag> jcastro: and if you do, do you like it (and what's it's name?) -- also hi!
[14:03] <jcastro> huh, me?
[14:03] <paultag> yeah
[14:03] <jcastro> oh, the Drobo, yeah, but they suck
[14:03] <popey> lolbo
[14:03] <paultag> Ah, yeah, that was it
[14:03] <jcastro> theoretically they are awesome
[14:03] <popey> I had one. Got rid and now love btrfs
[14:04] <paultag> ah, word
[14:04] <popey> drobo is ideal for techical numpties who own a mac, iphone, ipad and apple tv
[14:05] <paultag> hahaha, I was thinking a device that could be sitting around and let me rsync data to
[14:05] <paultag> and just swap in and out drives as I need more space
[14:05] <popey> oh, for _you_?
[14:05] <paultag> yes please
[14:05] <popey> yeah, thats what i wanted to do
[14:05] <popey> there's a number of issues with it..
[14:05] <paultag> I'm not going to go drobo if both of y'all are hating on it
[14:05] <popey> 1) proprietary on-disk format, so if the device goes bang, you have to buy another device, disks are unreadble in anything else
[14:05] <paultag> I didn't even remember the name :)
[14:05] <paultag> oh snap.
[14:06] <popey> 2) NTFS and HFS+ are first class supported, ext3 is in beta and has been forever
[14:06] <paultag> yikes
[14:06] <popey> 3) firmware updates are only supplied to people who pay for maintenance, stop paying, stop getting firmware updates
[14:06] <popey> that'll do I think, but there are other issues :D
[14:06] <paultag> that sounds absurd!
[14:06] <paultag> thanks for warning me off, guys
[14:06] <popey> np
[14:07] <popey> fwiw, I bought an HP Microserver to replace it
[14:07] <paultag> how do you like that?
[14:07] <popey> chucked in some disks and when i ran out of space, chucked in more
[14:07] <popey> I _love_ it
[14:07] <popey> using btrfs with a modern kernel it's freaking awesome
[14:07] <paultag> that's actually a brilliant idea.
[14:07] <popey> and almost as hot-swap capable as drobo
[14:07] <paultag> almost? this interests me
[14:07] <popey> i.e. you can mix and match drive sizes with btrfs (like drobo)
[14:07] <paultag> Ah! right
[14:08] <popey> you can add or remove drives easily with one command
[14:08] <popey> it "only" does RAID1, but RAID5 is "coming" (hah)
[14:08] <popey> I have 12x2TB disks in my btrfs array
[14:08] <popey> come, join our club :D
[14:08] <paultag> whaaaaat
[14:09]  * popey high fives jcastro 
[14:09] <popey> /dev/sdc         22T   14T  7.3T  66% /srv
[14:09] <jcastro> heh
[14:09] <popey> (df lies)
[14:09] <paultag> that's a lot of pr0n
[14:09] <popey> hard as it is to believe, there's no pr0n on it!
[14:09] <paultag> where's the one with 12 bays? I see one with 4 on the HP site
[14:09] <jcastro> Data: total=7.49TB, used=6.56TB
[14:09] <paultag> (and I can't google)
[14:10] <jcastro> popey is bigger than me
[14:10] <popey> yes, 4 internal, and I have an external 8 way bay
[14:10] <popey> eSATA
[14:10] <paultag> oh oh oh, gotcha
[14:11] <popey> 0 1 8 * * /sbin/btrfs scrub start /srv
[14:11] <paultag> thanks, jcastro, popey!
[14:11] <popey> ^^ jcastro added that to my root crontab
[14:11] <paultag> that helps a ton
[14:11] <popey> np
[14:13] <jcastro> popey: yeah I added that to my monthly
[15:14] <sergiomenesesmov> Hi all
[15:52]  * dholbach hugs rrnwexec
[15:55] <jcastro> rrnwexec: I got your shirt!!!
[15:56] <jcastro> Please give my love to the Vancouver loco!
[15:56] <rrnwexec> jcastro: wow, that was a long delivery ;) you're welcome
[15:57] <jcastro> heh
[17:55] <jono> mhall119, change in plan a little for UDS
[17:55] <jono> mhall119, going to move it two hours earlier to start at 2pm UTC
[17:55] <jono> this should make it easier for Europeans to participate\
[17:56] <jono> mhall119, can you update summit?
[17:56] <jono> brb
[18:01] <mhall119> jono: summit doesn't have any slots yet, so there's nothing to change there
[18:01] <mhall119> I'll set those up after cjohnston and I get the changed deployed
[18:02] <dholbach> all right - calling it a day - see you around my friends!
[18:03] <daker> mhall119: http://i.imgur.com/R5jOCo1.png
[18:04] <mhall119> daker: that looks nice, can we get that landed before we deploy?
[18:04] <daker> mhall119: when ?
[18:05] <mhall119> daker: today
[18:05] <daker> mhall119: sure
[18:06] <mhall119> jono: 2pm to 8pm UTC?
[18:16] <daker> mhall119: https://code.launchpad.net/~daker/summit/fix.virtual-meetings/+merge/150874
[18:31] <mhall119> cjohnston: ^^ it works for me, if you like his layout better then I'll approve it
[18:31] <mhall119> so we can get this deployed
[18:39] <daker> mhall119: does meeting has get_absolute_url ?
[18:44] <mhall119> daker: it has get_meeting_page_url
[18:44] <mhall119> which is the path,not including host/domain
[18:44] <jono> popey, jcastro do you have access to Ubuntu On Air?
[18:45] <daker> mhall119: thanks
[18:45] <mhall119> jcastro: 415 minutes is a long presentation
[18:45] <paultag> mhall119: afraid of hearing yourself talk? :>
[18:46] <jcastro> jono: I don't know what you mean by access, I don't think I do?
[18:46] <JoseeAntonioR> jcastro: you do
[18:46] <jono> jcastro, its ok, got it sorted
[18:46] <mhall119> paultag: always ;)
[20:16] <akgraner> JoseeAntonioR, ping
[20:19] <mhall119> jono: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21292/summit-discussions/
[20:28] <jono> mhall119, woo!
[20:30] <jcastro> man that looks sexy
[20:33] <mhall119> jono: jcastro: all credit goes to cjohnston and daker
[20:34] <akgraner> when I grow up I wanna be like cjohnston  - man that is awesome
[20:34] <mhall119> bald?
[20:34] <akgraner> yeah - bald :-P
[20:34] <mhall119> :)
[20:34] <daker> :)
[20:35] <akgraner> you guys rock!  I'm jealous...
[21:05] <jono> mhall119, ping?
[21:07] <mhall119> jono: pong
[21:08] <jono> mhall119, just mailed you
[21:08] <jono> re. UDS docs
[21:08] <jono> mhall119, can you look into that now so I can mail the track leads
[21:08] <mhall119> sure
[21:11] <jono> thanks mhall119
[21:12] <JoseeAntonioR> akgraner: pong
[21:19] <mhall119> jono: you need all of the process, or just what I sent you today?
[21:32] <jono> mhall119, everything I asked you for in the mail from yesterday
[21:39] <mhall119> jono: ok, I've got it started here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-1303/
[21:40] <mhall119> creating sessions is from existing docs, manual scheduling is new
[21:40] <mhall119> jcastro: can you write something for the plenaries submissions?
[21:40] <mhall119> jcastro: you might be able to just re-use most of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-R/Plenaries
[21:45] <jcastro> where do
[21:45] <jcastro> i put it?
[21:50] <mhall119> jcastro: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-1303/Plenaries
[21:51] <jcastro> ok
[21:51] <jcastro> I kind of told people just to mail me
[21:51] <jcastro> but whatever. :)
[21:58] <jono> thanks mhall119
[21:59] <jono> mhall119, is that complete now?
[22:00] <mhall119> jono: the scheduling parts are, I still need to fill in the Participating sections
[22:07] <jono> mhall119, just an idea, why not have UDS-XXX redirect to UDS instead
[22:08] <jono> and then we can collate tips and tricks for running and joining the event at /UDS
[22:08] <mhall119> jono: we could do that
[22:09] <mhall119> right now /UDS/ redirects to /UDS-1303, since it previously redirected to /UDS-R
[22:09] <jono> mhall119, I think it would be cool for /UDS to become a hotbed of docs
[22:09] <jono> cool
[22:09] <jono> so can you put the core docs at /UDS and redirect UDS-XXXX to /uds?
[22:09] <mhall119> yeah
[22:10] <jono> mhall119, thanks
[22:12] <jono> mhall119, also, schedule link on summit goes to uds-r
[22:13] <jono> mhall119, also, can you add the tracks:
[22:13] <jono>  * Community
[22:13] <jono> * Client
[22:13] <jono>  * Cloud & Server
[22:13] <jono>  * App Developers
[22:13] <jono>  * Plenary
[22:26] <mhall119> jono: fixed the menu, looks like someone already added tracks
[22:26]  * mhall119 suspects cjohnston 
[22:26] <jono> thanks mhall119
[22:26] <jono> and thanks cjohnston
[22:27] <jono> mhall119, I am writing up the instructions for the track leads can you give it a sanity check when I am done in a few mins?
[22:27] <mhall119> sure
[22:27] <cjohnston> tracks are added
[22:27] <jono> mhall119, you are a legend, as ever :-)
[22:27] <jono> thanks cjohnston
[22:27] <cjohnston> I need a better description for client please
[22:28] <mhall119> "stuff that isn't server"
[22:28] <cjohnston> ack
[22:29] <mhall119> jcastro: let me know when you're done with the plenaries page, I need to move it to /UDS/Plenaries
[22:30] <jono> mhall119, seems https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS is broken
[22:31] <jcastro> I am done
[22:31] <jcastro> go!
[22:31] <cjohnston> jono: whats broken?
[22:32] <jono> cjohnston, it keeps redirecting to the 1303 which shows nothing
[22:34] <jono> mhall119,  have you written instructions for starting/stopping the video streams
[22:38] <mhall119> jono: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Sessions
[22:39] <jono> thanks mhall119
[22:45] <jono> jcastro, can you schedule the keynote on the Tues next week in summit
[22:45] <jono> 2pm UTC
[22:46] <jono> like this:
[22:46] <jono> 2pm - 2.15pm - Jono Bacon - Introduction
[22:46] <jono> 2.15 - 2.45 - Rick Spencer
[22:46] <jcastro> I'm on a call right now
[22:46] <jono> 2.45 - 3.00pm - Track Lead Introductions
[22:46] <jono> jcastro, np
[22:46] <jono> when you are done
[22:47] <jcastro> how do I schedule things?
[22:47] <jcastro> summit.u.c seems to be generic still?
[22:48] <jcastro> http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/
[22:48] <jcastro> oh
[22:48] <jcastro> seems the redirect is busted
[22:50] <jcastro> hmm, seems like the submit a session form isn't turned on?
[22:51] <jcastro> mhall119: is scheduling turned on?
[22:56] <jono> jcastro, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS/Plenaries seems broken
[22:56] <czajkowski> jono: think you need to go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-1303/Plenaries
[22:57] <jono> czajkowski, ahh yeah, that is event specific
[22:57] <jcastro> the redirect is busted
[22:57] <czajkowski> jono: ah sorry.
[22:57] <jcastro> anyone know the edit url fragment?
[22:57] <jono> czajkowski, np :-)
[22:58] <jono> jcastro, also your intro needs updating for an online event :-)
[23:00] <jcastro> well
[23:00] <jcastro> I sent out the thing to -devel
[23:00] <jcastro> I don't know why we are even using a wiki page for this
[23:01] <jono> jcastro, I don't care how to organize it, I just care that you organize it
[23:02] <jcastro> I sent out the mail this morning
[23:02] <jono> but given that you are using the wiki, the text on it says lunch, which doesn't apply to the online event
[23:02] <jcastro> and the wiki is currently unresponsive to me
[23:02] <jcastro> I didn't know there wasn't a lunch break for the virtual one
[23:03] <jono> jcastro, there isnt
[23:03] <jono> this is my point
[23:03] <jcastro> right
[23:03] <jono> the intro on the wiki page for the plenaries says there is a lunch break
[23:03] <jcastro> but I didn't know that at the time
[23:03] <jono> oh gotcha
[23:03] <jcastro> The rest is correct
[23:03] <jono> cool
[23:03] <jcastro> and as soon as it lets me I will fix it
[23:04] <jono> jcastro, cool
[23:04] <jono> maybe ping #is about it
[23:06] <jcastro> fixed
[23:11] <jcastro> I think session submission is shut off, so I'll do the keynotes first thing tomorrow
[23:11] <jcastro> <-- EOD, snow shovelling time!
[23:12] <bkerensa> jcastro: I guess a beering track is going to be proposed
[23:12] <bkerensa> :D
[23:14] <jono> thanks jcastro
[23:21] <bkerensa> jono: do you have time for a call on Friday?
[23:38] <jono> bkerensa, sure
[23:38] <bkerensa> jono: what time works best for you that day?
[23:39] <mhall119> jcastro: there won't be auto-scheduling this UDS, and slots haven't been made yet, nor are we importing BPs yet
[23:39] <jono> bkerensa, 2.30?
[23:39] <bkerensa> jono: sounds good