[00:05] <Klettbar> what's best distribution atm trendy
[00:06] <Klettbar> very fast boot with gnome and teh packages of debian ubuntu
[00:06] <Klettbar> i d like flashy boot
[00:06] <Klettbar> 1 2 3
[00:07] <tashs> sorry buys.....silly question
[00:07] <tashs> what kinda of channel is this?
[00:09] <Klettbar> i am silly not the cahnnel
[00:09] <Klettbar> silly/lazy
[00:09] <tashs> silly works
[00:09] <tashs> as long as silly is funny
[00:14] <Klettbar> never
[00:14] <tashs> oh thats tragic
[00:14] <Klettbar> only if you put it in tv
[00:14] <Klettbar> then it has authority
[00:15] <tashs> interesting take
[07:31] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:26] <jacobw> morning AlanBell and all
[08:38] <diplo> Morning all
[09:19] <brobostigon> good morning eveyrone.
[09:19] <diplo> Morning brobostigon
[09:20] <brobostigon> morning diplo
[09:21] <diplo> Guys, distro agnostic check. We're writing a script to do some checks on certain things with our servers/customer servers
[09:21] <diplo> One of things that my boss wants is install date of the distro
[09:22] <diplo> From what I've found on the web, there is no defined way to find out as different distros store it in different locations, anyone got any suggestions
[09:22] <diplo> atm I beleing we are doing something out of /etc against a file name and awk :)
[09:25] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[09:26] <brobostigon> morning JamesTait
[09:26] <JamesTait> brobostigon, o/
[09:26] <brobostigon> o/
[09:37] <popey> diplo: detect distro version and then have a distro-specific bit of code to detect install date
[09:38] <diplo> yeah, pretty much what I'm going for already
[09:38] <popey> and it depends how it was installed, if it was clean install, upgrade, or deployed with some other too like puppet
[09:38] <diplo> Just no defined way it seems :)
[09:38] <diplo> Be great if there was a defined way like there is in Windows/Mac :)
[10:46] <BigRedS> if you've installed by rsyncing off some other disk then you've no hope
[10:47] <BigRedS> Just redefine "install date of the distro" to "mtime of /" and you're away :)
[10:47] <Laney> Modify: 2013-02-21 11:04:31.786300000 +0000
[10:47] <Laney> not sure about that one
[10:51] <diplo> yeah that doesnt work either
[10:51] <diplo> install.log on centos seems to be the most common way
[10:56] <Laney> ext* store the filesystem creation date
[10:56] <Laney> dunno if that's reliable enough for you
[10:56] <Laney> you can get it with dumpe2fs
[10:57] <popey> if you install over the top you might not get a new fs tho
[10:57] <Laney> "dunno if that's reliable enough for you"
[10:57]  * popey shuts up
[10:57] <BigRedS> but you haven't said anything for a while!
[10:58] <BigRedS> Hm. I want an Intel NUC that's already complete (with ram and disk and everything). Anyone seen a place selling them?
[10:58] <diplo> Laney: yeah would work in most places, but I've extended and changed a few sites which would break that
[10:59] <Laney> just cram a bunch of grim tests together and take the earliest date you find
[10:59] <diplo> Wish the kernel or Distro would all write to /etc/install-date or something :)
[10:59] <Laney> like looking in /var/log/installer/syslog
[10:59] <diplo> yeah, currently what I'm doing
[10:59] <Laney> getting all of the mtimes in /etc and taking the earliest one
[10:59] <Laney> etc
[11:00] <diplo> Was hoping someone would say, nah just grep this and it's the same everywhere :)
[11:03] <BigRedS> hahahaha
[11:04] <popey> "I wish there was a single consistent way to do X" -- Everyone, ever, using Linux.
[11:05] <Laney> I bet systemd gives you a consistent way to get this :)
[11:06] <diplo> I understand that statement with applications etc, but more system based stuff I'd like to see it configured the same
[11:07] <popey> Developers in "I have a better way to do that" non-shocker
[11:08] <BigRedS> yeah, and so would many people. Each one with their own idea of which one should be standardised on
[11:12] <ali1234> check /proc/config.gz
[11:13] <ali1234> what do you mean you don't build kernels from source?
[11:24] <diplo> :)
[11:27] <mungbean> how do i set a channel as sticky/unstick a channel>
[11:33] <directhex> i was watching tron the night before last
[11:33] <directhex> you know how the master control program keeps eating the small, single-task programs to absorb their funvtionality, and rule the system unopposed?
[11:33] <directhex> all i could think was "systemd"
[11:35] <davmor2> popey: "I wish there was a single consistent way to do audio" -- Everyone, ever, using Linux. I think is right behind it :)
[11:37] <davmor2> directhex: maybe that is where he got the idea
[11:37] <directhex> there *is* a standard way to do audio.
[11:37] <directhex> http://xkcd.com/927/
[11:39] <davmor2> directhex: I'm awaiting the announcement of linux being rebranded systemd to be honest :D
[11:39] <directhex> systemdinux!
[11:40] <popey> we're nearly there... "The GNU/Linux System" Just needs a "D" added
[11:45] <Azelphur> http://www.speedtest.net/result/2538015025.png whee \o/
[11:48] <dwatkins> directhex: that XKCD is kinda relevant to the most recent one, in a sense
[11:49] <popey> \o/ Azelphur
[11:49] <Azelphur> pretty cool, I get ~30ms less latency to my server, too
[11:50] <Azelphur> been waiting since november \o/
[11:51] <directhex> to infinity and beyond!
[11:51] <Azelphur> hehe
[11:52] <mungbean> is http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/bladecenter/hardware/servers/hs23/index.html down for everyone or just me?
[11:52] <Azelphur> the infinity modem just acts as a bridge too, so worked straight away with my existing router
[11:53] <aptanet> bah, Infinity has slipped again for my exchange :(
[11:53] <popey> Error 137 (net::ERR_NAME_RESOLUTION_FAILED): Unknown error.
[11:53] <popey> mungbean: ^
[11:53] <mungbean> ibm fail
[11:53] <aptanet> sept 2012. Jan 2013, March 2013 no end of June 2013 :(
[11:53] <popey> Host www-03.ahe.boulder.ibm.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
[11:54] <mungbean> must be running on ibm servers too then
[11:54] <AlanBell> token ring fail
[11:54] <mungbean> their blades crash on us ALL the time
[11:55] <popey> Inserting into ring!
[11:55] <mungbean> :-Z
[11:56] <davmor2> popey: you should be ashamed of yourself :D
[11:57] <popey> ☹  it's what they say when they boot
[12:01] <mungbean> maybe in the 90s
[12:37] <Oli``> Azelphur: So jealous. No cable, not even an ETA for Infinity.
[12:53] <Laney> sun! sky!
[12:53] <Laney> SUNSKYSUNSKYSUN
[12:53] <diplo> Clouds!!
[12:53] <Laney> only wispy ones
[12:53] <Laney> they are acceptable
[12:54] <diplo> Totally covered here :( still very windy as well :/
[13:03] <Azelphur> do you still need filters with BT infinity?
[13:05] <AlanBell> no
[13:05] <Azelphur> talktalk can have their filters back then xD
[13:05] <AlanBell> you get an extra box
[13:32] <mungbean> does anyone use the zinio app for reading magazines?
[13:32] <mungbean> it appears to save the magazines as pdfs locally but passwrod encrypted
[13:33] <mungbean> i wanted to discover how to unlock them for future use when zinio doesn't exist anymore
[14:03] <redtape-renegade> Hi there .. I'm talking to you today, from the magical World of Xubuntu ..
[14:04] <redtape-renegade> .. I'm trying it out for the first time today ..
[14:04] <redtape-renegade> .. much better than Lubuntu :)
[14:05] <redtape-renegade> .. I wonder if they do dropbox .. lets have a look .. :)
[14:06] <redtape-renegade> yep .. ooooh today is a *good* day :D
[14:27] <davmor2> beeping beeping beep beeping virgin why can't they improve the network at night
[14:28] <Dave2> are you a vehicle that's reverseing?
[14:28] <Dave2> revsrseing
[14:28] <Dave2> ...reversing
[14:29] <davmor2> Dave2: no I was making the blue air here less blue for the channel
[14:32] <redtape-renegade> I was just wondering ...
[14:33] <redtape-renegade> Do you think that the economic crisis will mean that FSF gets more money because people are trying out their software for free or do you think more money in people's pocket usually means more donations ?
[14:34] <redtape-renegade>               Do FSF even publish accounts ?
[14:38] <popey> http://www.fsf.org/about/financial
[14:39] <jacobw> redtape-renegade: i think very few people use GNU software contribute to the FSF
[14:40] <jacobw> redtape-renegade: they make things like binutils and gdb and octave, nobody ever thinks "this /bin/cp is useful, i'll donate to it's creator!"
[14:41] <popey> no financials for 2012
[14:42] <mungbean> gnu was useful when i used solaris
[14:43] <mungbean> the gnu tools were obviously better than solaris ones
[14:45] <jacobw> mungbean: did you donate to GNU?
[14:45] <mungbean> no
[14:45] <mungbean> that kind of decision was above my pay grade
[15:29] <redtape-renegade> What happened there   ??
[16:02] <BigRedS> What's "light themes"? Specifically, I'd really like to work around bug 1058073 'cause my new work PC's going to have to run Ubuntu
[16:03] <popey> BigRedS: the default ubuntu themes ambiance and radiance
[16:04] <BigRedS> I'm not near a Ubuntu right now, but is that something I'd work out how to change by clicking around ccsm or something?
[16:04] <popey> not really
[16:04] <BigRedS> oh
[16:05] <BigRedS> gnome-tweak-tool? :)
[16:05] <directhex> it's a bug in the theme files
[16:05] <popey> they're gtk-3 themes
[16:05] <directhex> where the colours assigned to different window decorations haven't been through out fully
[16:05] <popey> dunno if there's a tool for fiddling them
[16:05] <directhex> popey, yes: nano
[16:05] <popey> heh
[16:13] <BigRedS> should it be safe to copy stuff from /usr/share/themes on a Debian machine and just use a different theme?  I've a suspsicion that I'd need to tell something about this new theme, though...
[17:36] <Azelphur> Every time I start steam now, http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/35484478.jpg
[17:37] <popey> i like that the indicator is fixed now
[17:37] <Azelphur> as someone who doesn't have indicator applet, I didn't realise it was broken :P
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> The fonts got nicer too
[18:13] <MartijnVdS> in steam
[18:14] <davmor2> steam got removed for me which reminds me I need to go chase that up :)
[18:18] <ahayzen> Hi, my webcam has stopped working in Google Hangouts, Skype, Cheese and gstreamer-properties but still works in guvcview, anyone know wht the cause of this could be? Thanks in advance.
[19:49] <davmor2> bigcalm: thursday the 7th I will be in London picking on czajkowski so no coworking unless you and moreati want to get together
[19:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: thanks for the info
[19:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: my boss is getting an office and it looks like he expects me to work at it
[19:54] <bigcalm> davmor2: not sure when that will start though
[19:54] <davmor2> bigcalm: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
[19:54] <bigcalm> I know :)
[19:54] <bigcalm> Erm
[19:54] <bigcalm> :(
[19:55] <bigcalm> I'd rather continue to work from home
[19:55] <MartijnVdS> evening!
[19:55] <davmor2> man just think you'll have to start 1, getting up early 2, driving in a morning 3, getting dressed ;)
[20:20] <redtape-renegade> Is the pocast on in10 minutes ??? 'cos the stream isn't doing anything ...
[21:01] <czajkowski> davmor2: boo
[21:28] <bigcalm> davmor2: not in that order
[21:46] <redtape-renegade> popey, Good podcast .. Let me know if the young one wants to sell her Unicorn .. ☻
[21:47] <bigcalm> SPOILERS!
[21:47] <bigcalm> I won't be listening until it's available for download
[21:49] <SuperEngineer> bigcalm: so you don't want to know about the bloke from RedHat stripping live on air for Oracle smartphone?///
[22:01] <redtape-renegade> SuperEngineer : Yes that was hilarious  !!
[22:29] <angryziber> #sourceforge