[00:09] <bkerensa> pleia2: you see this video where a Canonical guy says the "Vision of Ubuntu" is Photoshop https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CrFEWgwXdtk
[00:09] <bkerensa> :d
[00:09] <bkerensa> lawl
[00:09] <darthrobot> Title: [MWC 2013 Ubuntu For Tablets - Demo | Features | Explained. - YouTube]
[00:17] <akk> The vision of ubuntu is photoshop??
[00:17] <bkerensa> akk: no more gimp apparently
[00:17] <bkerensa> better yet
[00:18] <bkerensa> at CES a journalist asked whether a ubuntu phone feature was like windows 8 phone
[00:18] <bkerensa> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeVH1xAD3rM
[00:18] <darthrobot> Title: [Ubuntu Smart Phone Demo by Jono Bacon CES 2013 - YouTube]
[00:18] <bkerensa> at 5:26 and some guy ;) from Canonical said yes similar
[00:20] <akk> I'm falling asleep. Where in the video is the photoshop comment?
[00:20] <bkerensa> akk: 6:30
[00:20] <bkerensa> "using the HUD I can run photoshop on the phone and the tablet and basically this is the vision of Ubuntu"
[00:20] <akk> thanks
[00:20] <bkerensa> yep
[00:21] <bkerensa> I think I'm nearly sold on using Xubuntu after learning this
[00:21] <bkerensa> ;)
[00:22] <akk> I like how the whole thing is filmed from way off one edge so it's all rotated 90 degrees and hard to see.
[00:23] <akk> That phone does look cool, though. Do they have any price estimates?
[00:23] <akk> Or word on things like battery life?
[00:23] <bkerensa> thats a galaxy nexus
[00:23] <bkerensa> :D
[00:23] <akk> ah
[00:24] <akk> It looks thinner than my galaxy player, maybe just the perspective.
[00:25] <pleia2> it's still a developer preview so it crashes a lot and doesn't notify you when you get calls (will show missed calls! ;))
[00:25]  * akk gets spam, "Need to replace windows?  Start now"  Dude, I started on THAT more than a decade ago!
[00:25] <pleia2> also has essentially no memory management
[00:25] <akk> pleia2: I guess that could be seen as a downside in a phone, yeah. :)
[00:29] <kalenjohnson> I got to play with the phone for a few minutes this weekend. Needs some work, but I thought it worked pretty fluidly, I was impressed
[00:31] <bkerensa> I'm wondering when they are going to remove the brand logos for companies that have not endorse ubuntu phone as a platform they are making apps for
[00:31] <bkerensa> pintrest being an example... they said they didnt know why Ubuntu was using their logo
[00:31] <bkerensa> =/
[00:46] <nhaines> akk: the "vision of Ubuntu" is that you can run phone and tablet apps which have the feature-richness of a desktop app, and they're using an enhanced HUD to enable this.  bkerensa is just trolling because a marketing guy mentioned Photoshop to a non-Linux guy.
[00:46] <akk> Well, it was a pretty dumb thing to say in a promo video, you have to admit.
[00:47] <nhaines> I do not.  :)
[00:47] <bkerensa> nhaines: actually Im not trolling its been brought up by a few people https://plus.google.com/109175303602657131317/posts/g2dUjjQeo6t
[00:47] <akk> Explicitly saying that he was running photoshop on those two platforms? How does that make sense?
[00:47] <darthrobot> Title: [Alan Bell - Google+ - MWC 2013 Ubuntu For Tablets - Demo | Features | Explained.…]
[00:47] <nhaines> bkerensa: yes you are.  :P
[00:48] <akk> If he said it was *like* photoshop -- well, it would still be wrong, but not as egregiously so. (More like picasa or iphoto or something.)
[00:48] <bkerensa> nhaines: If its trolling why did someone from the community team have to e-mail that employee and tell them not to make such assertions anymore?
[00:48] <bkerensa> nhaines: and thats not the only time it was mentioned as being the vision
[00:50] <nhaines> bkerensa: because being more clear is always better?
[00:50] <nhaines> Anyway, I don't think it's useful to lie and say that the Sidecar feature isn't like the Windows 8 Snap feature.
[00:52] <bkerensa> nhaines: not making dissertations that the vision of Ubuntu is to run proprietary software is better... I think plenty of us wants some apps that only come in the proprietary manner to be available on Ubuntu such as Steam but indicating without any clarification that it is the "Vision of Ubuntu to run Photoshop" thats a big mistake from a PR standpoint
[00:53] <bkerensa> nhaines: Well you know the Galaxy Nexus is much like the first Motorola phone that came out.... They both make calls :)
[00:53] <nhaines> And when someone says "you can run the [same app] on both the phone and the tablet, and that's the vision of Ubuntu--one stack of code will provide the same experience, everything you need, on any device" and blow it out of proportion to say "ZOMG HE SAID PHOTOSHOP" is really disingenuous.
[00:53] <nhaines> And if no one else wants to call you out for that kind of bullshit then that's fine, but you can save the smug attitude.
[00:54] <bkerensa> thanks for observing the code of conduct nhaines... I'm done talking with you
[00:55] <nhaines> bkerensa: when you decide you want to be honest instead of duplicitous, then that will be some kind of loss.
[00:56]  * bkerensa yawns
[01:09] <nhaines> 17:01 <bkerensa> You should probably review the Ubuntu Code of Conduct sometime... It may not mean anything to you but your conduct was inappropriate and I have heard this is not the first time you have made someone feel unwelcome to the point they leave
[01:09] <nhaines> 17:08 <nhaines> My comment was truthful and intentioned and I'm not interested in rumors.  I'm posting this back into #ubuntu-us-ca along with this response and the next time you're "done talking with [me]" feel free to be honest about that as well, or to do it in public.
[01:10] <nhaines> Frankly, if the things he's "heard" are as accurate as his reading and listening comprehension for Ubuntu Touch product announcements, I'm not particularly concerned.
[01:18] <kalenjohnson> I'm offended, I feel like leaving
[01:18] <kalenjohnson> but I won't. I love you guys too much
[01:43]  * Darkwing raises an eyebrow
[01:54] <nhaines> PROTIP: Any time somebody argues that quoting only part of a sentence cannot change the meaning of the sentence, it's safe to ignore what they have to say.
[01:54]  * Adran raises an eyebrow
[02:05] <kalenjohnson> nhaines "Any time somebody argues" - arguing is arguing, that's exactly what you meant
[02:08] <akk> I confess I wasn't clear what the "quoting only part" referred to or who was arguing that (reading scrollback, maybe I missed something).
[02:14] <nhaines> akk: bkerensa quotes the presenter as saying "using the HUD I can run photoshop on the phone and the tablet and basically this is the vision of Ubuntu", but leaves out the rest of the sentence which is "we're going to a world where one device with one stack of code will run everything you do and provide everything you need for personal computing."
[02:14] <nhaines> Then he talks about the interface being called Unity and how one device with docking could be a tablet, desktop, or TV interface.
[02:15] <akk> Ah -- I misunderstood the presenter too, if he meant that as "... which by the way has nothing to do with what I just showed you".
[02:16] <akk> And of course it's just plain untrue that he can run photoshop on either device (unless it works on tablets/phones under wine ... does it?)
[02:16] <kalenjohnson> if it's Ubuntu on Android, he can have Photoshop Android running!
[02:16] <nhaines> akk: that's because bkerensa pointed you to the middle of the demo, where he had been cropping and color balancing a photo on the tablet, then did the same thing on the phone and said, "See, you can run Photoshop on either device using the HUD".
[02:17] <nhaines> akk: he used "photoshop" the same way people use "google" (which is to say incorrectly).
[02:17] <akk> I did watch that part -- I went to a minute or so before the time he gave me, so I saw all the cropping and such
[02:17] <akk> which was not photoshop.
[02:17] <nhaines> He calls it the gallery application earlier.
[02:18] <nhaines> And refers to it as "photoshop" after he edits the photos.  To me it's obviously a slip of the tongue.
[02:18] <akk> I didn't actually hear it as a deliberate lie, I heard it as "Hello, I'm a marketing person who knows nothing about software, so I'm throwing around buzzwords."
[02:18] <nhaines> Pretty much.
[02:18] <akk> Which is why I said dumb (if it was a deliberate lie, I'd be less kind than that).
[02:19] <kalenjohnson> Is he using a Nexus 10?
[02:19] <akk> I do understand people can accidentally say dumb things under pressure of a demo/video.
[02:20] <akk> Lord knows I've done that (though hopefully not quite that dumb).
[02:21] <nhaines> Of course Jono emailed Oren and said 'stop saying Photoshop'.
[02:25] <nhaines> This rather tends to discredit the idea that Ubuntu's vision is running Photoshop.
[02:29] <akk> I doubt anyone truly believed that. :)
[02:32] <nhaines> bkerensa certainly insisted it enough.
[02:33] <akk> I thought he was joking.
[02:33] <akk> Like, ha ha, Ubuntu's vision is photoshop, giggle snerk.
[02:34] <nhaines> He's been trolling social sites all weekend, was harassing me about demoing the phone at SCALE, and dug in his heels about the assertion in PM.
[02:35] <akk> Huh. Okay. I was just going on what I saw here.
[02:35] <akk> Harrassing you about demoing the phone? Surely that's a way cool thing to get to do.
[02:35] <akk> (at least for a clueful person not making photoshop comments :)
[02:36] <nhaines> Yeah, it was something like 'Ubuntu phone? ha ha, what are you going to tell people about apps? giggle snerk'
[02:36] <akk> I wish I could've been there and seen your demos.
[02:36] <akk> I have to admit I'm dubious about the app story too. But hoping it's easy to develop for and the list grows fast.
[02:36] <nhaines> Well, everyone was angry that Canonical announced a phone and had no code.
[02:37] <akk> I would so love to have a phone/tablet where I could just write python apps, scripts, etc., test them locally, not need the huge framework I need for Android.
[02:37] <nhaines> Then they released a really early developer preview with full code and now everyone's angry that it's not a functional phone.
[02:37] <nhaines> I totally want to run python apps on my Ubuntu phone.  But you can't yet.  :)
[02:38] <akk> That would be the killer app (killer platform?) for me.
[02:38] <akk> It's so weird google discouraged that (and all other easy ways of developing) on android.
[02:38] <nhaines> My demo at SCALE was basically the one you keep seeing.  Show the interface, preview the Dash lenses, edit photos in the gallery, show off the indicator menus, and then hand the phone over and answer questions.
[02:47] <kalenjohnson> philipballew, Hey Phil, I tweeted you, but when's the next Ubuntu Hour? I know you told me this weekend, but.... I don't remember when it is, other than it's at a Starbucks
[02:49] <philipballew> Im gonna have it the 14th march probably
[02:49] <philipballew> kalenjohnson, i should be in town that day.
[02:49] <philipballew> I live have my life in Northern California as well.
[02:49] <kalenjohnson> sounds hectic
[02:51] <philipballew> kalenjohnson, little. Did you enjoy SCALE?
[02:51] <philipballew> pleia2, PM?
[02:52] <kalenjohnson> heck yes! Had a lot of fun, met a lot of cool people, and finally understand what the "Cloud" actually means, haha
[02:52] <kalenjohnson> JuJu looks awesome, I'm looking forward to using that
[02:55] <pleia2> philipballew: sure
[02:55] <philipballew> kalenjohnson, the gui is nice
[02:55] <kalenjohnson> philipballew, did you get your free coffee??
[02:56] <philipballew> kalenjohnson, heck yes I did
[02:57] <kalenjohnson> philipballew, was it with the woman working on the GUI? She wanted some input during the workshop, but nobody wanted to miss anything in the workshop to talk to her
[02:58] <kalenjohnson> i snickered
[02:58] <philipballew> yes
[02:58] <philipballew> thats exactly who it was
[03:01] <kalenjohnson> philipballew, do you usually post the ubuntu hours on the california page closer to the date?
[03:02] <philipballew> kalenjohnson, yeah, like a week before
[03:02] <kalenjohnson> alright cool