| rick_h_ | woot, that was a nice ride out and about. | 02:32 |
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| rick_h_ | snap-l: you get back from the meeting ok? | 02:32 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Didn't go | 03:25 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: bummer | 11:30 |
| snap-l | Yeah, no worries. | 11:43 |
| rick_h_ | phew, driveway clean. This is some heavy stuff. Will make a good snowman | 12:29 |
| snap-l | Yeah, it's the perfect sibling snowball weather | 12:44 |
| rick_h_ | hah, time to teach the boy some life lessons :P | 12:47 |
| brousch | Ut oh | 12:47 |
| brousch | Many people were stuck on my street. Those with balding tires or RWD vehicles | 12:50 |
| brousch | $73 for a shovel? | 12:51 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: not a shovel, a snow pusher! | 12:51 |
| rick_h_ | <3 this thing | 12:51 |
| rick_h_ | much faster doing the driveway this year | 12:52 |
| brousch | I don't need to push. I need to lift and throw! | 12:52 |
| rick_h_ | http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A28780/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is my lift/thrower | 12:52 |
| rick_h_ | push to the sides, then trim work with that | 12:52 |
| rick_h_ | much nicer | 12:52 |
| snap-l | Well, the cat has given me the best reason for keeping inbox zero | 12:52 |
| brousch | It's so flat | 12:53 |
| snap-l | she just stole a receipt and ran off | 12:53 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: she delete something for you? | 12:53 |
| rick_h_ | lol | 12:53 |
| brousch | I'm thinking about a big old scoop, but it seems like it'd be hard to throw http://www.amazon.com/Suncast-SF1850-22-Inch-Scoop-Shovel/dp/B000A1CENK/ | 12:54 |
| brousch | Have to shove the handle under my stomach and lift with both arms equally | 12:55 |
| rick_h_ | yea, use that to clear it to the sides and then use a smaller shovel to actually edge | 12:55 |
| brousch | You and your darn right tool for the job :P | 12:56 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 12:56 |
| brousch | What I really need to do is fix my snowblower | 12:56 |
| brousch | Although it would have clogged instantly today | 12:57 |
| rick_h_ | heh, yea I don't have one of those so I spend $$ on the right shovels to use | 12:57 |
| brousch | My snow blower is literally older than I am | 12:57 |
| brousch | 1973 | 12:57 |
| snap-l | brousch: Might be time to either let it go, or get it fixed. | 12:58 |
| snap-l | Letting go might be an option | 12:59 |
| brousch | It's just a gas tank leak | 12:59 |
| brousch | It broke last year and with almost no snow I just let it sit | 12:59 |
| rick_h_ | yea, last year I think I shoveled once or something | 12:59 |
| brousch | Django 1.5 is out! Are you guys pumped?! | 13:32 |
| snap-l | Like a 1990s shoe | 13:32 |
| brousch | I had a pair of those | 13:32 |
| snap-l | I'm sure you did | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | heh, it's out but py3 "is still considered beta" | 13:33 |
| brousch | Even better, experimental! | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | oh right | 13:34 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, read it last night | 13:34 |
| snap-l | That's the kind of thinking that inspires confidence | 13:34 |
| jrwren | i'm pumped about django 1.6 | 13:58 |
| jrwren | err... 1.5 | 13:58 |
| jrwren | not much changed. | 13:58 |
| jrwren | streaming response looks good | 13:58 |
| jrwren | now just needs streaming request | 13:58 |
| brousch | rick_h_: I ran into a problem on your pastebin site https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot19.png | 14:01 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: yea, too many links causes it to captcha and I'm missing some imagemagic lib or something | 14:02 |
| brousch | OK | 14:02 |
| rick_h_ | just not bothered to get it working, end up using ubuntu pastebin or something | 14:02 |
| brousch | No problem | 14:10 |
| brousch | Geeker Django deprecated one of my favorite commands: reset <app> | 15:31 |
| brousch | It would clear all data out of the database for that app. Now I have to clear the whole damn database or get the sql to flush one app and pipe it to a command line client for the DB (like psql) | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | what?! learn to use your db tools?! never! | 15:39 |
| rick_h_ | :P | 15:40 |
| brousch | That's not the point | 15:40 |
| brousch | The command used the django settings, so it knew the database info (location, type, login, etc) and it knew which tables were in which app. It was simple. Now I have to manually specify all that crap | 15:42 |
| brousch | Apparently my rage is 2.5 years too late to matter http://python.6.n6.nabble.com/reset-and-sqlreset-PendingDeprecationWarning-td507875.html | 16:05 |
| snap-l | brousch: Probably becaus eone too many people cleaered out their databases by accident | 16:06 |
| snap-l | "WHY DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR APP THAT WILL DESTROY DATA" | 16:07 |
| brousch | Well it would only clear out single apps. The commands they recommend now clear the whole DB | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Oh, that's even better. | 16:07 |
| brousch | Much less convenient | 16:07 |
| snap-l | But tidier | 16:07 |
| snap-l | Think of it like a roomba for your database, but instead of a roomba, it's a quantum black hole. | 16:08 |
| brousch | They say it didn't work well with DBs that have referential integrity. I can see that, but I only ever used it on sqlite in development | 16:08 |
| snap-l | I think I'm getting an itch | 16:08 |
| snap-l | No, wait, that's me wondering why thing ship with ways to delete the whole database | 16:09 |
| snap-l | Admin is hard. Let's just DROP DATABASE | 16:09 |
| brousch | It drops each table | 16:10 |
| snap-l | for i in list_o_tables: DROP i | 16:10 |
| snap-l | How very PHP | 16:10 |
| snap-l | Grow a pair and just DROP DATABASE | 16:10 |
| snap-l | ;) | 16:10 |
| snap-l | You want referential integrity? Reference this. | 16:11 |
| brousch | It was really very nice. When you have a dozen apps in your project and you're working on one of them it saved a lot of time to just reset the tables for that one app | 16:11 |
| jrwren | anyone know where I can get libvirt built with esxi support? preferably a ppa | 16:11 |
| snap-l | http://www.gremwell.com/node/155 | 16:12 |
| jrwren | brousch: its VERY easy to write a python script, load django settings and clear db for that app. | 16:12 |
| brousch | Now I'll have to create fixtures for each app so I can rebuild in dev in under 40mins | 16:13 |
| brousch | jrwren: But it already did that for me. now I have to do it myself! | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | brousch: which you should be doing anyway | 16:13 |
| rick_h_ | re fixtures | 16:13 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Google seems to have a lot of instructions on how, but not a lot of packages. | 16:13 |
| snap-l | jrwren: VMWare doesn't ship with something? | 16:14 |
| rick_h_ | snap-l: that's what I was thinking. vmware costs $$ so you get pretty tools. Enjoy | 16:14 |
| jrwren | snap-l: vmware vsphere client is windows only :( | 16:14 |
| snap-l | Well, I'd think they'd have at least something to interface with libvirt | 16:15 |
| jrwren | libvirt does, but apparently ubuntu doesn't build it - idiots | 16:15 |
| snap-l | though I believe Virtualbox routes around that by doing their own thing | 16:15 |
| jrwren | i'll just rebuild the package. | 16:15 |
| jrwren | *sigh* | 16:15 |
| snap-l | jrwren: Yeah, that's unfortunate | 16:15 |
| snap-l | Oh, apparently there is something for Virtualbox | 16:16 |
| snap-l | well I'll be. | 16:16 |
| jrwren | freedom is missing from virtualbox | 16:17 |
| snap-l | It's there as long as you don't use USB | 16:17 |
| jrwren | it is? | 16:17 |
| jrwren | freedom from the tyrany that is oracle? | 16:17 |
| snap-l | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions | 16:17 |
| snap-l | Well, no, unfortunately Oracle still comes bundled | 16:18 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/ppa without? | 16:21 |
| jrwren | https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/libvirt/raring/view/head:/debian/rules is :( | 16:22 |
| jrwren | i think those are since they are built from the ubuntu-virt package | 16:23 |
| jrwren | rick_h_: those are also all 1yr+ old | 16:23 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: yea, bummer | 16:23 |
| jrwren | thank you for looking and finding | 16:26 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: figured someone must have one, but hard to tell of the tons of libvirt ppa and nothing that looks sane/official | 16:26 |
| jrwren | right | 16:27 |
| rick_h_ | love USPS...sure, we got that package in IN on the 26th...but it'll take a week to get it to MI | 16:29 |
| rick_h_ | nothing like taking 7 days for a 3.5hr drive | 16:29 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: I hate that | 16:30 |
| snap-l | You paid for ground, we're damn well going to make sure you don't get it next day | 16:30 |
| snap-l | Wait, that's not UPS. | 16:30 |
| snap-l | Not sure why USPS woould take longer | 16:31 |
| snap-l | Though if it's media rate, it takes a donkey-trail down some back roads to get anywhere. | 16:31 |
| snap-l | Honestly, if you don't ship first class or priority, the USPS takes forever | 16:32 |
| rick_h_ | yea, media mail it looks like | 16:32 |
| snap-l | Whenever I ship things, I'll usually eat the difference between media and first class | 16:32 |
| snap-l | Saves me hassle | 16:32 |
| snap-l | unless it's something like a brick of a book | 16:33 |
| snap-l | Reminder: Ubuntu Global Jam is this weekend | 18:32 |
| snap-l | starting Friday and going through Sunday | 18:32 |
| greg-g | snap-l: is there an IRL version for us-mi? | 18:32 |
| snap-l | No, this is totally online | 18:32 |
| snap-l | Trying an experiment. :) | 18:32 |
| snap-l | Hopefully it'll get more people participating who might otherwise not participate because they can't make the venue | 18:33 |
| greg-g | snap-l: cool, I assume this is yet another example were Canonical is follow Ubuntu Michigan's lead ;) | 18:33 |
| snap-l | I'd like to think so. :) | 18:33 |
| snap-l | I know that's probably BS, but... | 18:34 |
| jrwren | i've not been following raring much. | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Me either | 18:35 |
| jrwren | timing wise, does this mean its a good time to try an alpha install? | 18:35 |
| snap-l | Usually, though usual caveats apply | 18:36 |
| jrwren | of course | 18:36 |
| jrwren | i'm thinking alpha must be soon | 18:36 |
| jrwren | hrm, nope https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring | 18:38 |
| jrwren | is global bug jam earlier than in years past? | 18:38 |
| snap-l | Actually, I'm remembering something about not doing alpha releases | 18:39 |
| snap-l | http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/14/13-04-raring-ringtail-alpha-2-released/ | 18:39 |
| snap-l | Nope, I'm remembering wrong | 18:39 |
| jrwren | ah, ty. | 18:39 |
| jrwren | http://www.ubuntu.com/testing linked from there is not up to date :( | 18:41 |
| jrwren | seems like ubuntu is really falling apart these days. | 18:41 |
| snap-l | I'm finding links mentioning the "no alpha releases" | 18:41 |
| snap-l | but they're from places like PCWorld and Webupd8, so I question accuracy. | 18:42 |
| snap-l | I think there's no blessed alpha release | 18:42 |
| greg-g | :/ | 18:43 |
| brousch | http://lwn.net/Articles/522232/ | 18:43 |
| rick_h_ | rolling baby | 18:47 |
| snap-l | I thought it was just Canonical being evil. ;) | 18:48 |
| snap-l | (That whole line of thinking drives me nuts) | 18:48 |
| rick_h_ | yea, that too. I think they must hate all users | 18:48 |
| rick_h_ | everyone, stop using the software...except it's cool and works so carry on | 18:48 |
| greg-g | unless you want real GNOME :/ | 18:49 |
| rick_h_ | but no one wants that :P | 18:49 |
| brousch | Indeed | 18:51 |
| jcastro | greg-g: UGR is well on its way to being official | 18:51 |
| jcastro | maybe even this cycle | 18:51 |
| rick_h_ | ok, I can get a N10, but have to go to a walmart? hmmm...that's tough | 18:53 |
| greg-g | jcastro: thank god, this multimonitor support is killing me | 18:55 |
| snap-l | rick_h_: Are you shitting me? | 19:00 |
| snap-l | One more reason to hate Walmart. :) | 19:00 |
| snap-l | I'd pay for it in pennies soaked in dog piss | 19:00 |
| snap-l | actually, it's not their employees fault | 19:01 |
| jrwren | yes it is. | 19:12 |
| jrwren | but not the employees we see there. | 19:12 |
| jrwren | its execs and employees that set and practice corp policy | 19:12 |
| jrwren | what is the difference between quantal-security adn quantal-updates repos? | 19:33 |
| jrwren | nevermind https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Updates_Tab | 19:35 |
| jcastro | you only need need security | 19:46 |
| jcastro | you can get by without -updates | 19:46 |
| jrwren | *nod* | 19:50 |
| jrwren | hrm, the esx support in libvirt deps libcurl, but I cannot imagine that is a good enough reason to exclude. | 20:55 |
| jcastro | greg-g: hypothetically speaking ... | 21:02 |
| jcastro | greg-g: what are the chances you can help me find someone willing to help us with the conversion of the content? | 21:02 |
| jcastro | I have the script OpenStack used ... | 21:02 |
| rick_h_ | jcastro: coming out to CHC? | 21:04 |
| jcastro | I can't even get out of the driveway dude | 21:04 |
| rick_h_ | what?! | 21:04 |
| jcastro | dead serious | 21:04 |
| jcastro | I've been going out every hour and shovelling | 21:04 |
| rick_h_ | come on, that AWD volvo won't get out? | 21:04 |
| jcastro | jill's car isn't moving | 21:04 |
| rick_h_ | it's all warm and melting | 21:04 |
| jcastro | and she couldn't make it into the garage last night | 21:04 |
| jcastro | so I have a VW sized mountain I need to dig out | 21:05 |
| rick_h_ | hah | 21:05 |
| jcastro | before the Volvo can rock | 21:05 |
| snap-l | jcastro: Dude, what the hell? | 21:06 |
| jcastro | dude, why am I being flamed? I'm the one being buried! | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | we've all dug out! | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | shoot, I dug out last night and went for a 45min joy ride while it almost done coming down :P | 21:06 |
| rick_h_ | and did a final round of clean up this morning before the wife left | 21:07 |
| rick_h_ | roads are clear around here. though going to need another car wash | 21:07 |
| jrwren | first time through dpkg-buildpackage did stuff. | 21:45 |
| jrwren | now i fixed something | 21:45 |
| jrwren | and it complains that a file changed. | 21:45 |
| jrwren | specifically dpkg-source complains | 21:45 |
| jrwren | dpkg-source has a --commit | 21:45 |
| jrwren | but I want oposite of that, can anyone tell me? | 21:45 |
| jrwren | also, #thisiswhydebianishard | 21:47 |
| jrwren | nevermind, just delete it :) | 21:50 |
| greg-g | jcastro: hypothetically, maybe Ryan Lane, other than that not sure, honestly | 21:50 |
| greg-g | gah, effing project sputnik laptop is a piece of shit, gimme my thinkpad back! | 22:32 |
| jrwren | yay! i has esx vm list from virsh | 22:48 |
| jrwren | boo: error: this function is not supported by the connection driver: virDomainOpenConsole | 22:48 |
| rick_h_ | jrwren: so close... | 23:00 |
| rick_h_ | greg-g: yea, byol is the only way to roll | 23:00 |
| greg-g | fucking eh, install the project sputnik special kernel from PPA to fix brightness issue, break touchpad scrolling, Thanks. | 23:05 |
| jrwren | its ok, i don't really need console. | 23:16 |
| jrwren | just up/down should suffice | 23:17 |
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