[02:32] <rick_h_> woot, that was a nice ride out and about.
[02:32] <rick_h_> snap-l: you get back from the meeting ok?
[03:25] <snap-l> rick_h_: Didn't go
[11:30] <rick_h_> snap-l: bummer
[11:43] <snap-l> Yeah, no worries.
[12:29] <rick_h_> phew, driveway clean. This is some heavy stuff. Will make a good snowman
[12:44] <snap-l> Yeah, it's the perfect sibling snowball weather
[12:47] <rick_h_> hah, time to teach the boy some life lessons :P
[12:47] <brousch> Ut oh
[12:50] <brousch> Many people were stuck on my street. Those with balding tires or RWD vehicles
[12:51] <brousch> $73 for a shovel?
[12:51] <rick_h_> brousch: not a shovel, a snow pusher!
[12:51] <rick_h_> <3 this thing
[12:52] <rick_h_> much faster doing the driveway this year
[12:52] <brousch> I don't need to push. I need to lift and throw!
[12:52] <rick_h_> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A28780/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is my lift/thrower
[12:52] <rick_h_> push to the sides, then trim work with that
[12:52] <rick_h_> much nicer
[12:52] <snap-l> Well, the cat has given me the best reason for keeping inbox zero
[12:53] <brousch> It's so flat
[12:53] <snap-l> she just stole a receipt and ran off
[12:53] <rick_h_> snap-l: she delete something for you?
[12:53] <rick_h_> lol
[12:54] <brousch> I'm thinking about a big old scoop, but it seems like it'd be hard to throw http://www.amazon.com/Suncast-SF1850-22-Inch-Scoop-Shovel/dp/B000A1CENK/
[12:55] <brousch> Have to shove the handle under my stomach and lift with both arms equally
[12:55] <rick_h_> yea, use that to clear it to the sides and then use a smaller shovel to actually edge
[12:56] <brousch> You and your darn right tool for the job :P
[12:56] <rick_h_> hah
[12:56] <brousch> What I really need to do is fix my snowblower
[12:57] <brousch> Although it would have clogged instantly today
[12:57] <rick_h_> heh, yea I don't have one of those so I spend $$ on the right shovels to use
[12:57] <brousch> My snow blower is literally older than I am
[12:57] <brousch> 1973
[12:58] <snap-l> brousch: Might be time to either let it go, or get it fixed.
[12:59] <snap-l> Letting go might be an option
[12:59] <brousch> It's just a gas tank leak
[12:59] <brousch> It broke last year and with almost no snow I just let it sit
[12:59] <rick_h_> yea, last year I think I shoveled once or something
[13:32] <brousch> Django 1.5 is out! Are you guys pumped?!
[13:32] <snap-l> Like a 1990s shoe
[13:32] <brousch> I had a pair of those
[13:33] <snap-l> I'm sure you did
[13:33] <rick_h_> heh, it's out but py3 "is still considered beta"
[13:34] <brousch> Even better, experimental!
[13:34] <rick_h_> oh right
[13:34] <rick_h_> sorry, read it last night
[13:34] <snap-l> That's the kind of thinking that inspires confidence
[13:58] <jrwren> i'm pumped about django 1.6
[13:58] <jrwren> err... 1.5
[13:58] <jrwren> not much changed.
[13:58] <jrwren> streaming response looks good
[13:58] <jrwren> now just needs streaming request
[14:01] <brousch> rick_h_: I ran into a problem on your pastebin site https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot19.png
[14:02] <rick_h_> brousch: yea, too many links causes it to captcha and I'm missing some imagemagic lib or something
[14:02] <brousch> OK
[14:02] <rick_h_> just not bothered to get it working, end up using ubuntu pastebin or something
[14:10] <brousch> No problem
[15:31] <brousch> Geeker Django deprecated one of my favorite commands: reset <app>
[15:39] <brousch> It would clear all data out of the database for that app. Now I have to clear the whole damn database or get the sql to flush one app and pipe it to a command line client for the DB (like psql)
[15:39] <rick_h_> what?! learn to use your db tools?! never!
[15:40] <rick_h_> :P
[15:40] <brousch> That's not the point
[15:42] <brousch> The command used the django settings, so it knew the database info (location, type, login, etc) and it knew which tables were in which app. It was simple. Now I have to manually specify all that crap
[16:05] <brousch> Apparently my rage is 2.5 years too late to matter http://python.6.n6.nabble.com/reset-and-sqlreset-PendingDeprecationWarning-td507875.html
[16:06] <snap-l> brousch: Probably becaus eone too many people cleaered out their databases by accident
[16:07] <snap-l> "WHY DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR APP THAT WILL DESTROY DATA"
[16:07] <brousch> Well it would only clear out single apps. The commands they recommend now clear the whole DB
[16:07] <snap-l> Oh, that's even better.
[16:07] <brousch> Much less convenient
[16:07] <snap-l> But tidier
[16:08] <snap-l> Think of it like a roomba for your database, but instead of a roomba, it's a quantum black hole.
[16:08] <brousch> They say it didn't work well with DBs that have referential integrity. I can see that, but I only ever used it on sqlite in development
[16:08] <snap-l> I think I'm getting an itch
[16:09] <snap-l> No, wait, that's me wondering why thing ship with ways to delete the whole database
[16:09] <snap-l> Admin is hard. Let's just DROP DATABASE
[16:10] <brousch> It drops each table
[16:10] <snap-l> for i in list_o_tables: DROP i
[16:10] <snap-l> How very PHP
[16:10] <snap-l> Grow a pair and just DROP DATABASE
[16:10] <snap-l> ;)
[16:11] <snap-l> You want referential integrity? Reference this.
[16:11] <brousch> It was really very nice. When you have a dozen apps in your project and you're working on one of them it saved a lot of time to just reset the tables for that one app
[16:11] <jrwren> anyone know where I can get libvirt built with esxi support? preferably a ppa
[16:12] <snap-l> http://www.gremwell.com/node/155
[16:12] <jrwren> brousch: its VERY easy to write a python script, load django settings and clear db for that app.
[16:13] <brousch> Now I'll have to create fixtures for each app so I can rebuild in dev in under 40mins
[16:13] <brousch> jrwren: But it already did that for me. now I have to do it myself!
[16:13] <rick_h_> brousch: which you should be doing anyway
[16:13] <rick_h_> re fixtures
[16:13] <snap-l> jrwren: Google seems to have a lot of instructions on how, but not a lot of packages.
[16:14] <snap-l> jrwren: VMWare doesn't ship with something?
[16:14] <rick_h_> snap-l: that's what I was thinking. vmware costs $$ so you get pretty tools. Enjoy
[16:14] <jrwren> snap-l: vmware vsphere client is windows only :(
[16:15] <snap-l> Well, I'd think they'd have at least something to interface with libvirt
[16:15] <jrwren> libvirt does, but apparently ubuntu doesn't build it - idiots
[16:15] <snap-l> though I believe Virtualbox routes around that by doing their own thing
[16:15] <jrwren> i'll just rebuild the package.
[16:15] <jrwren> *sigh*
[16:15] <snap-l> jrwren: Yeah, that's unfortunate
[16:16] <snap-l> Oh, apparently there is something for Virtualbox
[16:16] <snap-l> well I'll be.
[16:17] <jrwren> freedom is missing from virtualbox
[16:17] <snap-l> It's there as long as you don't use USB
[16:17] <jrwren> it is?
[16:17] <jrwren> freedom from the tyrany that is oracle?
[16:17] <snap-l> https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions
[16:18] <snap-l> Well, no, unfortunately Oracle still comes bundled
[16:21] <rick_h_> jrwren: is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/ppa without?
[16:22] <jrwren> https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/libvirt/raring/view/head:/debian/rules  is :(
[16:23] <jrwren> i think those are since they are built from the ubuntu-virt package
[16:23] <jrwren> rick_h_: those are also all 1yr+ old
[16:23] <rick_h_> jrwren: yea, bummer
[16:26] <jrwren> thank you for looking and finding
[16:26] <rick_h_> jrwren: figured someone must have one, but hard to tell of the tons of libvirt ppa and nothing that looks sane/official
[16:27] <jrwren> right
[16:29] <rick_h_> love USPS...sure, we got that package in IN on the 26th...but it'll take a week to get it to MI
[16:29] <rick_h_> nothing like taking 7 days for a 3.5hr drive
[16:30] <snap-l> rick_h_: I hate that
[16:30] <snap-l> You paid for ground, we're damn well going to make sure you don't get it next day
[16:30] <snap-l> Wait, that's not UPS.
[16:31] <snap-l> Not sure why USPS woould take longer
[16:31] <snap-l> Though if it's media rate, it takes a donkey-trail down some back roads to get anywhere.
[16:32] <snap-l> Honestly, if you don't ship first class or priority, the USPS takes forever
[16:32] <rick_h_> yea, media mail it looks like
[16:32] <snap-l> Whenever I ship things, I'll usually eat the difference between media and first class
[16:32] <snap-l> Saves me hassle
[16:33] <snap-l> unless it's something like a brick of a book
[18:32] <snap-l> Reminder: Ubuntu Global Jam is this weekend
[18:32] <snap-l> starting Friday and going through Sunday
[18:32] <greg-g> snap-l: is there an IRL version for us-mi?
[18:32] <snap-l> No, this is totally online
[18:32] <snap-l> Trying an experiment. :)
[18:33] <snap-l> Hopefully it'll get more people participating who might otherwise not participate because they can't make the venue
[18:33] <greg-g> snap-l: cool, I assume this is yet another example were Canonical is follow Ubuntu Michigan's lead ;)
[18:33] <snap-l> I'd like to think so. :)
[18:34] <snap-l> I know that's probably BS, but...
[18:35] <jrwren> i've not been following raring much.
[18:35] <snap-l> Me either
[18:35] <jrwren> timing wise, does this mean its a good time to try an alpha install?
[18:36] <snap-l> Usually, though usual caveats apply
[18:36] <jrwren> of course
[18:36] <jrwren> i'm thinking alpha must be soon
[18:38] <jrwren> hrm, nope https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring
[18:38] <jrwren> is global bug jam earlier than in years past?
[18:39] <snap-l> Actually, I'm remembering something about not doing alpha releases
[18:39] <snap-l> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/14/13-04-raring-ringtail-alpha-2-released/
[18:39] <snap-l> Nope, I'm remembering wrong
[18:39] <jrwren> ah, ty.
[18:41] <jrwren> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing linked from there is not up to date :(
[18:41] <jrwren> seems like ubuntu is really falling apart these days.
[18:41] <snap-l> I'm finding links mentioning the "no alpha releases"
[18:42] <snap-l> but they're from places like PCWorld and Webupd8, so I question accuracy.
[18:42] <snap-l> I think there's no blessed alpha release
[18:43] <greg-g> :/
[18:43] <brousch> http://lwn.net/Articles/522232/
[18:47] <rick_h_> rolling baby
[18:48] <snap-l> I thought it was just Canonical being evil. ;)
[18:48] <snap-l> (That whole line of thinking drives me nuts)
[18:48] <rick_h_> yea, that too. I think they must hate all users
[18:48] <rick_h_> everyone, stop using the software...except it's cool and works so carry on
[18:49] <greg-g> unless you want real GNOME :/
[18:49] <rick_h_> but no one wants that :P
[18:51] <brousch> Indeed
[18:51] <jcastro> greg-g: UGR is well on its way to being official
[18:51] <jcastro> maybe even this cycle
[18:53] <rick_h_> ok, I can get a N10, but have to go to a walmart? hmmm...that's tough
[18:55] <greg-g> jcastro: thank god, this multimonitor support is killing me
[19:00] <snap-l> rick_h_: Are you shitting me?
[19:00] <snap-l> One more reason to hate Walmart. :)
[19:00] <snap-l> I'd pay for it in pennies soaked in dog piss
[19:01] <snap-l> actually, it's not their employees fault
[19:12] <jrwren> yes it is.
[19:12] <jrwren> but not the employees we see there.
[19:12] <jrwren> its execs and employees that set and practice corp policy
[19:33] <jrwren> what is the difference between quantal-security adn quantal-updates repos?
[19:35] <jrwren> nevermind https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Updates_Tab
[19:46] <jcastro> you only need need security
[19:46] <jcastro> you can get by without -updates
[19:50] <jrwren> *nod*
[20:55] <jrwren> hrm, the esx support in libvirt deps libcurl, but I cannot imagine that is a good enough reason to exclude.
[21:02] <jcastro> greg-g: hypothetically speaking ...
[21:02] <jcastro> greg-g: what are the chances you can help me find someone willing to help us with the conversion of the content?
[21:02] <jcastro> I have the script OpenStack used ...
[21:04] <rick_h_> jcastro: coming out to CHC?
[21:04] <jcastro> I can't even get out of the driveway dude
[21:04] <rick_h_> what?!
[21:04] <jcastro> dead serious
[21:04] <jcastro> I've been going out every hour and shovelling
[21:04] <rick_h_> come on, that AWD volvo won't get out?
[21:04] <jcastro> jill's car isn't moving
[21:04] <rick_h_> it's all warm and melting
[21:04] <jcastro> and she couldn't make it into the garage last night
[21:05] <jcastro> so I have a VW sized mountain I need to dig out
[21:05] <rick_h_> hah
[21:05] <jcastro> before the Volvo can rock
[21:06] <snap-l> jcastro: Dude, what the hell?
[21:06] <jcastro> dude, why am I being flamed? I'm the one being buried!
[21:06] <rick_h_> we've all dug out!
[21:06] <rick_h_> shoot, I dug out last night and went for a 45min joy ride while it almost done coming down :P
[21:07] <rick_h_> and did a final round of clean up this morning before the wife left
[21:07] <rick_h_> roads are clear around here. though going to need another car wash
[21:45] <jrwren> first time through dpkg-buildpackage did stuff.
[21:45] <jrwren> now i fixed something
[21:45] <jrwren> and it complains that a file changed.
[21:45] <jrwren> specifically dpkg-source complains
[21:45] <jrwren> dpkg-source has a --commit
[21:45] <jrwren> but I want oposite of that, can anyone tell me?
[21:47] <jrwren> also, #thisiswhydebianishard
[21:50] <jrwren> nevermind, just delete it :)
[21:50] <greg-g> jcastro: hypothetically, maybe Ryan Lane, other than that not sure, honestly
[22:32] <greg-g> gah, effing project sputnik laptop is a piece of shit, gimme my thinkpad back!
[22:48] <jrwren> yay! i has esx vm list from virsh
[22:48] <jrwren> boo: error: this function is not supported by the connection driver: virDomainOpenConsole
[23:00] <rick_h_> jrwren: so close...
[23:00] <rick_h_> greg-g: yea, byol is the only way to roll
[23:05] <greg-g> fucking eh, install the project sputnik special kernel from PPA to fix brightness issue, break touchpad scrolling, Thanks.
[23:16] <jrwren> its ok, i don't really need console.
[23:17] <jrwren> just up/down should suffice