[02:32] woot, that was a nice ride out and about. [02:32] snap-l: you get back from the meeting ok? [03:25] rick_h_: Didn't go [11:30] snap-l: bummer [11:43] Yeah, no worries. [12:29] phew, driveway clean. This is some heavy stuff. Will make a good snowman [12:44] Yeah, it's the perfect sibling snowball weather [12:47] hah, time to teach the boy some life lessons :P [12:47] Ut oh [12:50] Many people were stuck on my street. Those with balding tires or RWD vehicles [12:51] $73 for a shovel? [12:51] brousch: not a shovel, a snow pusher! [12:51] <3 this thing [12:52] much faster doing the driveway this year [12:52] I don't need to push. I need to lift and throw! [12:52] http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000A28780/ref=wms_ohs_product?ie=UTF8&psc=1 is my lift/thrower [12:52] push to the sides, then trim work with that [12:52] much nicer [12:52] Well, the cat has given me the best reason for keeping inbox zero [12:53] It's so flat [12:53] she just stole a receipt and ran off [12:53] snap-l: she delete something for you? [12:53] lol [12:54] I'm thinking about a big old scoop, but it seems like it'd be hard to throw http://www.amazon.com/Suncast-SF1850-22-Inch-Scoop-Shovel/dp/B000A1CENK/ [12:55] Have to shove the handle under my stomach and lift with both arms equally [12:55] yea, use that to clear it to the sides and then use a smaller shovel to actually edge [12:56] You and your darn right tool for the job :P [12:56] hah [12:56] What I really need to do is fix my snowblower [12:57] Although it would have clogged instantly today [12:57] heh, yea I don't have one of those so I spend $$ on the right shovels to use [12:57] My snow blower is literally older than I am [12:57] 1973 [12:58] brousch: Might be time to either let it go, or get it fixed. [12:59] Letting go might be an option [12:59] It's just a gas tank leak [12:59] It broke last year and with almost no snow I just let it sit [12:59] yea, last year I think I shoveled once or something [13:32] Django 1.5 is out! Are you guys pumped?! [13:32] Like a 1990s shoe [13:32] I had a pair of those [13:33] I'm sure you did [13:33] heh, it's out but py3 "is still considered beta" [13:34] Even better, experimental! [13:34] oh right [13:34] sorry, read it last night [13:34] That's the kind of thinking that inspires confidence [13:58] i'm pumped about django 1.6 [13:58] err... 1.5 [13:58] not much changed. [13:58] streaming response looks good [13:58] now just needs streaming request [14:01] rick_h_: I ran into a problem on your pastebin site https://dl.dropbox.com/u/101667/snapshot19.png [14:02] brousch: yea, too many links causes it to captcha and I'm missing some imagemagic lib or something [14:02] OK [14:02] just not bothered to get it working, end up using ubuntu pastebin or something [14:10] No problem [15:31] Geeker Django deprecated one of my favorite commands: reset [15:39] It would clear all data out of the database for that app. Now I have to clear the whole damn database or get the sql to flush one app and pipe it to a command line client for the DB (like psql) [15:39] what?! learn to use your db tools?! never! [15:40] :P [15:40] That's not the point [15:42] The command used the django settings, so it knew the database info (location, type, login, etc) and it knew which tables were in which app. It was simple. Now I have to manually specify all that crap [16:05] Apparently my rage is 2.5 years too late to matter http://python.6.n6.nabble.com/reset-and-sqlreset-PendingDeprecationWarning-td507875.html [16:06] brousch: Probably becaus eone too many people cleaered out their databases by accident [16:07] "WHY DO WE HAVE SOMETHING IN OUR APP THAT WILL DESTROY DATA" [16:07] Well it would only clear out single apps. The commands they recommend now clear the whole DB [16:07] Oh, that's even better. [16:07] Much less convenient [16:07] But tidier [16:08] Think of it like a roomba for your database, but instead of a roomba, it's a quantum black hole. [16:08] They say it didn't work well with DBs that have referential integrity. I can see that, but I only ever used it on sqlite in development [16:08] I think I'm getting an itch [16:09] No, wait, that's me wondering why thing ship with ways to delete the whole database [16:09] Admin is hard. Let's just DROP DATABASE [16:10] It drops each table [16:10] for i in list_o_tables: DROP i [16:10] How very PHP [16:10] Grow a pair and just DROP DATABASE [16:10] ;) [16:11] You want referential integrity? Reference this. [16:11] It was really very nice. When you have a dozen apps in your project and you're working on one of them it saved a lot of time to just reset the tables for that one app [16:11] anyone know where I can get libvirt built with esxi support? preferably a ppa [16:12] http://www.gremwell.com/node/155 [16:12] brousch: its VERY easy to write a python script, load django settings and clear db for that app. [16:13] Now I'll have to create fixtures for each app so I can rebuild in dev in under 40mins [16:13] jrwren: But it already did that for me. now I have to do it myself! [16:13] brousch: which you should be doing anyway [16:13] re fixtures [16:13] jrwren: Google seems to have a lot of instructions on how, but not a lot of packages. [16:14] jrwren: VMWare doesn't ship with something? [16:14] snap-l: that's what I was thinking. vmware costs $$ so you get pretty tools. Enjoy [16:14] snap-l: vmware vsphere client is windows only :( [16:15] Well, I'd think they'd have at least something to interface with libvirt [16:15] libvirt does, but apparently ubuntu doesn't build it - idiots [16:15] though I believe Virtualbox routes around that by doing their own thing [16:15] i'll just rebuild the package. [16:15] *sigh* [16:15] jrwren: Yeah, that's unfortunate [16:16] Oh, apparently there is something for Virtualbox [16:16] well I'll be. [16:17] freedom is missing from virtualbox [16:17] It's there as long as you don't use USB [16:17] it is? [16:17] freedom from the tyrany that is oracle? [16:17] https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Editions [16:18] Well, no, unfortunately Oracle still comes bundled [16:21] jrwren: is https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/+archive/ppa without? [16:22] https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/raring/libvirt/raring/view/head:/debian/rules is :( [16:23] i think those are since they are built from the ubuntu-virt package [16:23] rick_h_: those are also all 1yr+ old [16:23] jrwren: yea, bummer [16:26] thank you for looking and finding [16:26] jrwren: figured someone must have one, but hard to tell of the tons of libvirt ppa and nothing that looks sane/official [16:27] right [16:29] love USPS...sure, we got that package in IN on the 26th...but it'll take a week to get it to MI [16:29] nothing like taking 7 days for a 3.5hr drive [16:30] rick_h_: I hate that [16:30] You paid for ground, we're damn well going to make sure you don't get it next day [16:30] Wait, that's not UPS. [16:31] Not sure why USPS woould take longer [16:31] Though if it's media rate, it takes a donkey-trail down some back roads to get anywhere. [16:32] Honestly, if you don't ship first class or priority, the USPS takes forever [16:32] yea, media mail it looks like [16:32] Whenever I ship things, I'll usually eat the difference between media and first class [16:32] Saves me hassle [16:33] unless it's something like a brick of a book [18:32] Reminder: Ubuntu Global Jam is this weekend [18:32] starting Friday and going through Sunday [18:32] snap-l: is there an IRL version for us-mi? [18:32] No, this is totally online [18:32] Trying an experiment. :) [18:33] Hopefully it'll get more people participating who might otherwise not participate because they can't make the venue [18:33] snap-l: cool, I assume this is yet another example were Canonical is follow Ubuntu Michigan's lead ;) [18:33] I'd like to think so. :) [18:34] I know that's probably BS, but... [18:35] i've not been following raring much. [18:35] Me either [18:35] timing wise, does this mean its a good time to try an alpha install? [18:36] Usually, though usual caveats apply [18:36] of course [18:36] i'm thinking alpha must be soon [18:38] hrm, nope https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Cadence/Raring [18:38] is global bug jam earlier than in years past? [18:39] Actually, I'm remembering something about not doing alpha releases [18:39] http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/14/13-04-raring-ringtail-alpha-2-released/ [18:39] Nope, I'm remembering wrong [18:39] ah, ty. [18:41] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing linked from there is not up to date :( [18:41] seems like ubuntu is really falling apart these days. [18:41] I'm finding links mentioning the "no alpha releases" [18:42] but they're from places like PCWorld and Webupd8, so I question accuracy. [18:42] I think there's no blessed alpha release [18:43] :/ [18:43] http://lwn.net/Articles/522232/ [18:47] rolling baby [18:48] I thought it was just Canonical being evil. ;) [18:48] (That whole line of thinking drives me nuts) [18:48] yea, that too. I think they must hate all users [18:48] everyone, stop using the software...except it's cool and works so carry on [18:49] unless you want real GNOME :/ [18:49] but no one wants that :P [18:51] Indeed [18:51] greg-g: UGR is well on its way to being official [18:51] maybe even this cycle [18:53] ok, I can get a N10, but have to go to a walmart? hmmm...that's tough [18:55] jcastro: thank god, this multimonitor support is killing me [19:00] rick_h_: Are you shitting me? [19:00] One more reason to hate Walmart. :) [19:00] I'd pay for it in pennies soaked in dog piss [19:01] actually, it's not their employees fault [19:12] yes it is. [19:12] but not the employees we see there. [19:12] its execs and employees that set and practice corp policy [19:33] what is the difference between quantal-security adn quantal-updates repos? [19:35] nevermind https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Ubuntu#Updates_Tab [19:46] you only need need security [19:46] you can get by without -updates [19:50] *nod* [20:55] hrm, the esx support in libvirt deps libcurl, but I cannot imagine that is a good enough reason to exclude. [21:02] greg-g: hypothetically speaking ... [21:02] greg-g: what are the chances you can help me find someone willing to help us with the conversion of the content? [21:02] I have the script OpenStack used ... [21:04] jcastro: coming out to CHC? [21:04] I can't even get out of the driveway dude [21:04] what?! [21:04] dead serious [21:04] I've been going out every hour and shovelling [21:04] come on, that AWD volvo won't get out? [21:04] jill's car isn't moving [21:04] it's all warm and melting [21:04] and she couldn't make it into the garage last night [21:05] so I have a VW sized mountain I need to dig out [21:05] hah [21:05] before the Volvo can rock [21:06] jcastro: Dude, what the hell? [21:06] dude, why am I being flamed? I'm the one being buried! [21:06] we've all dug out! [21:06] shoot, I dug out last night and went for a 45min joy ride while it almost done coming down :P [21:07] and did a final round of clean up this morning before the wife left [21:07] roads are clear around here. though going to need another car wash [21:45] first time through dpkg-buildpackage did stuff. [21:45] now i fixed something [21:45] and it complains that a file changed. [21:45] specifically dpkg-source complains [21:45] dpkg-source has a --commit [21:45] but I want oposite of that, can anyone tell me? [21:47] also, #thisiswhydebianishard [21:50] nevermind, just delete it :) [21:50] jcastro: hypothetically, maybe Ryan Lane, other than that not sure, honestly [22:32] gah, effing project sputnik laptop is a piece of shit, gimme my thinkpad back! [22:48] yay! i has esx vm list from virsh [22:48] boo: error: this function is not supported by the connection driver: virDomainOpenConsole [23:00] jrwren: so close... [23:00] greg-g: yea, byol is the only way to roll [23:05] fucking eh, install the project sputnik special kernel from PPA to fix brightness issue, break touchpad scrolling, Thanks. [23:16] its ok, i don't really need console. [23:17] just up/down should suffice