[04:50] <skellat> Here's a copy of today's big announcement about UDS March: gopher://sdf.org/0/users/skellat/2013-02-26.md
[04:50] <skellat> And yes, it is in Gopher.  The appropriate tools are in fact available in the repos to get to that.
[04:50] <Cheri703> or perhaps just link to the *actual* posts about it?
[04:50] <Cheri703> for those who hadn't heard
[04:50] <skellat> I only got two e-mails
[04:51] <skellat> That gopher bit is what I dumped from Alpine in my shell account on SDF
[04:52] <Cheri703> http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2013/02/26/ubuntu-developer-summits-now-online-and-every-three-months/ The official announcement on fridge.ubuntu.com
[04:52] <skellat> I got it on community-announce and ubuntu-devel-announce
[04:53] <skellat> Though apparently I forgot I did do this earlier: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-us-ohio@lists.launchpad.net/msg01234.html
[04:54] <Cheri703> I suppose canonical doesn't share the reservations about G+ hangouts
[04:54] <skellat> I guess not
[04:54] <skellat> I sent an e-mail to Jorge Castro as a member of the copyleft-next license drafting project to see if I could sponsor a session.
[04:55] <skellat> The only video thing that was found to be workable was a package called Jitsi for videoconferencing
[04:56] <Cheri703> yeeeah, probably g+ would be easiest for people
[04:57]  * skellat grumbles
[04:57] <skellat> Guess I'm going to have to have a Google account again in protest
[04:57] <skellat> It is bad enough their ad analytics keeps identifying me as a 75 year old Hispanic dude
[04:59] <skellat> If they cannot even identify me from when I can't avoid 'em...I don't like the thought of giving 'em information by which to identify me.  That trip through Ad Prefs scared the crap out of me when it gave me their best guess at identifying my demographics.
[05:00] <Cheri703> eh
[05:01] <skellat> Yeah
[05:01] <skellat> How was Colorado?
[05:01] <Cheri703> it was really good! I'm planning to move out there in/around June
[05:01] <Cheri703> but I have to go run my dogs out, so I'll be back in a while
[05:01] <skellat> Okay
[05:07]  * skellat wanders off
[05:19] <Cheri703> I'm back
[05:20] <Unit193> I didn't like that whole thing, and G+ isn't the best either.  Max 10 slots sure isn't great there, and you can look at the logs from -release and k-devel for some interesting info.
[05:20] <Cheri703> I'm not a fan of the change, the face to face interaction was (in my opinion) the best part of UDS
[05:24] <Unit193> Not as useful, and another indicator they are going rolling.
[05:41] <canthus13> Hmm.. Google has no idea what my demographics are. and I don't attempt to hide anything. :)
[16:34] <skellat> Good morning.
[16:40] <dzho> maybe.
[16:41] <skellat> THAT'S THE OHIO SPIRIT! :-/
[16:43] <skellat> dzho: How is your day so far today, then?
[16:43] <paultag> moin, skellat
[16:43] <paultag> moin, dzho
[16:43] <dzho> skellat: I have managed to keep down the rising panic, thank you.
[16:44] <dzho> I did not wreck on the drive to work, or fall on the slushy mess walking in from the lot.
[16:44]  * canthus13 yawns.
[16:44] <dzho> family seems fairly healthy.
[16:44] <paultag> moin, canthus13
[16:44] <dzho> so, you know, not bad.
[16:44]  * dzho pushes some coffee canthus13's way
[16:44] <canthus13> dzho: Meh. I don't do coffee. :(
[16:45] <canthus13> No pop either, now. :/
[16:45] <dzho> I got nothin' for ya man.
[16:45] <canthus13> All good.
[16:45] <canthus13> It's actually a medication that's making me yawn all the time. :P
[16:46] <skellat> So....I wonder if I'm going to hear back from Jorge Castro about my request to sponsor a UDS March session on copyleft-next
[16:49] <skellat> It is looking unlikely
[16:49] <skellat> How is paultag and canthus13 this morning?
[16:50] <paultag> quite alright, thanks for asking
[16:50] <paultag> odd morning so far
[16:50] <paultag> but good
[16:50] <canthus13> meh. Just had to cancel my debit card 'coz someone got ahold of the number and charged 400 bucks to a carryout in california.  the second time in two freaking months. :/
[16:51] <paultag> that sucks
[16:52] <thafreak> what kind of food costs $400 in caryout?
[16:52] <skellat> Very endangered, probably aquatic?
[16:52] <dzho> sushi
[16:52] <dzho> that's be easy
[16:52] <dzho> that would be easy, that is
[16:53] <dzho> but I could see it going for lots of things, actually.
[16:53] <dzho> you could semi-cater a small party with carry out and not have too much trouble running up to that
[16:54] <dzho> I'm trying to remember how booze works in cali but it's a lot more relaxed than Ohio.
[16:54] <thafreak> canthus13: did you fall for one of those post your credit card info on /b threads, and it magically gets redacted?
[16:54] <dzho> probably can't do carry out beer.
[16:55] <skellat> 40 value 10 packs of tacos from Taco Bell would get past the $400 mark
[16:56] <dzho> that's a lot of "tacos"
[16:57] <skellat> Well, but if it was in California and you consumed leafy green substances as a large group... :-)
[16:59] <skellat> Or, you could be feeding a construction site
[17:00] <canthus13> thafreak: ...
[17:00] <canthus13> thafreak: I'm still trying to figure it out.  I only use two ATMs... paypal for most everything online... It's fucked up.
[17:01] <dzho> so, you use the ATMs to get cash, and then cash for everything else in person?
[17:02] <dzho> I've started to get pretty leery of various card readers anywhere, what with the piggyback card reader scams that seem to be so prevalent.
[17:23] <thafreak> canthus13: is $681/mo for a 5bmit fiber ethernet outrageous?
[17:25] <canthus13> I have no idea.
[17:25]  * canthus13 doesn't know the commercial pricing schedule.
[17:26]  * canthus13 hrms, wonders if he's been bumped up to 44/4.4 yet.
[17:27] <thafreak> Doesn't seem worth it to me
[17:27] <thafreak> they ran fiber down here in my county
[17:28] <thafreak> highest they go is 50m
[17:28] <dzho> to the premises, or just to the . . . I don't know what they call it, the neighborhood?
[17:28] <thafreak> and that's $2100/mo
[17:28] <thafreak> they have fiber all over medina county now
[17:28] <thafreak> there's some running down the one main road behind my house too
[17:28] <thafreak> but it seems over priced
[17:29] <canthus13> thafreak: For cable? Fiber-to-the-node.
[17:29] <thafreak> I guess this far down from one of the teir 1 providers, it's going to be expensive
[17:29] <thafreak> This is fiber ethernet
[17:29] <canthus13> ah.
[17:29] <thafreak> so...I plug it into my switch...no modems
[17:29] <canthus13> router.
[17:29] <thafreak> well, a router
[17:29] <thafreak> yeah
[17:29] <canthus13> They probably only allow one IP.
[17:29] <thafreak> or a switch you know
[17:29] <canthus13> and charge for a static.
[17:30] <thafreak> at these prices...they better be giving me a /29 atleast
[17:30] <canthus13> but yes. I just speedtested 42.9/4.4 :D
[17:30] <canthus13> thinking about going up to 66/5.5
[17:30] <dzho> these guys were running FTTH a decade ago http://www.huxcomm.net/about/history.php
[17:30] <canthus13> dzho: The company I work for ran fiber though every neighborhood about 15 years ago.
[17:30] <thafreak> i don't even max out my 10/2 cable connection
[17:31]  * skellat wanders away to handle household errands
[17:31] <thafreak> what I'd pay more for, is lower latency!
[17:31] <dzho> canthus13: cool
[17:31] <canthus13> thafreak: I run a server that sees moderate use, so I kinda need the upload speed. :/
[17:31] <dzho> canthus13: again, is that ftth or just into the neighborhood
[17:31] <canthus13> download... yeah. we use it. both kids on youtube, wife on netflix, me doing whatever else... we'll saturate 10mbit easily.
[17:32] <thafreak> yeah, I could use more up...but even the top business packages is like 50/5
[17:32] <canthus13> dzho: neighborhood, but we can do ftth if we needed to. but right now, DOCSIS 3.0 is a better bet.
[17:32] <canthus13> so we just stick with coax from the node.
[17:32] <dzho> yeah, I think that's more typical
[17:32] <dzho> because the coax installed base is already there
[17:33] <canthus13> we tested out FTTH, but there wasn't much interest, since the initial install is more expensive and the speeds are gonna be the same.
[17:33] <thafreak> Well, I was looking to set up shop at my one client's location...barter for offic space
[17:33] <thafreak> but decent internet conectivity is just not there
[17:33] <thafreak> they have dsl now which is complete garbage
[17:34] <dzho> in the meantime, schools in WV are installing massive routers and little rural schools in the middle of nowhere are being dual-homed
[17:34] <thafreak> and the only other option seems to be t1 which is a waste, or this fiber
[17:35] <canthus13> cablemodems work fine, and we have no congestion issues anywhere. (dual OC-96 ring for the city backbone...)
[17:35] <canthus13> Well. one neighborhood has congestion.. but that's the student ghetto.
[17:35] <dzho> heh
[17:35] <dzho> torrent all the things
[17:36] <dzho> speaking of which, how does 6 strikes look to be playing out for you folks, canthus13?
[17:36] <canthus13> People always worry that the line is shared by your whole neighborhood and it affects your bandwidth.  which is true, if you cram too many customers on a node. :/
[17:36] <canthus13> dzho: 6 strikes?
[17:36] <canthus13> Oh. DMCA stuff. We play fast and loose with that one. :)
[17:37] <canthus13> we really do as little as we can with respect to that crap.
[17:37] <canthus13> if they present takedown notices, we'll let the customer know, we suspend them after some huge number for 2 days, and so on, up to a year IIRC.
[17:37] <dzho> so, not participating in the CAS?
[17:37] <canthus13> but I've never seen anyone suspended.
[17:38] <canthus13> Nope.
[17:38] <canthus13> not that I know of.
[17:38] <dzho> ah, verizon, AT&T, Comcast, Cablevision, Time Warner Cable
[17:38] <canthus13> We're not in the list, so no.
[17:39] <dzho> I wonder how our ILEC handles all this.
[17:39] <canthus13> People mistakenly call us cablevision all the time. I even get the occasional call from new york looking for support.
[17:39] <dzho> eek
[17:40] <canthus13> which is funny, since we only cover toledo, erie county, and a small part of southern michigan.
[18:11]  * The_Miser looks up hearing "Erie County"
[18:46] <canthus13> The_Miser: I work for the best ISP in the area. :)
[19:28] <The_Miser> canthus13: Methinks I may be using that ISP ... ;)
[21:26] <jrgifford> canthus13: sounds lovely.