[06:12] <Kilos> morning superfly et al
[06:12] <superfly> morning Kilos
[06:27] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:28] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[06:28] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos 
[06:29] <mazal> Morning maiatoday 
[06:29] <Kilos> hiya maiatoday 
[06:29] <Kilos> goed dankie en self ?
[06:31] <mazal> Raasie baie nie
[06:33] <maiatoday> hi mazal Kilos
[06:33] <Kilos> het jy toe reg gekom 
[06:33] <Kilos> hi jrgns 
[06:33] <Kilos> hi grantw 
[06:33] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[06:34] <grantw> hi
[06:34] <mazal> Nope Kilos , I found one app that kinda works. It shows the password
[06:34] <mazal> But I can't find anything that can remove it
[06:34] <Kilos> great
[06:34] <Kilos> magespawn, left you some links on my channel
[06:35] <superfly> hi mazal, maiatoday, grantw
[06:36] <mazal> Morning superfly 
[06:36] <superfly> oh, and jrgns
[06:36] <maiatoday> hi superfly 
[06:38] <grantw> morning
[06:47] <jrgns> morning Kilos, superfly, all
[06:50] <mazal> Lo jrgns 
[06:55] <inetpro> good evening
[06:59] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[06:59] <Kilos> http://paulski.com/zpages.php?id=2103
[06:59] <Kilos> some interesting reading
[07:04] <Kilos> now if one was super clever one could program bios to look at last 512bytes of drive and put mbr there
[07:07] <magespawn> good day
[07:08] <mazal> lo magespawn , thanx for infos you left me
[07:08] <magespawn> no prob
[07:08] <magespawn> yw
[07:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[07:15] <magespawn>  hey Kilos
[07:29] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[07:29] <henkj> hi kilos
[07:35] <Kilos> does dump mean the same as save?
[07:35] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey Kilos :)
[07:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning all
[07:40] <superfly> morning ThatGraemeGuy
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello :)
[07:46] <magespawn> no Kilos 
[07:46] <Kilos> ai!
[07:49] <superfly> Kilos: I don't see why Ibid needs a greeter plugin when we have you around.
[07:50] <Kilos> lol then i can do other things too superfly 
[07:51] <Kilos> like now im on other pc trying spfdisk
[07:51] <Kilos> other times cooking or pulling weeds or treating and looking after sheep
[08:00] <mazal> Who here is clever with whatsapp ?
[08:00] <barrydk> Good morning everyone
[08:01] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[08:01] <barrydk> How are you Kilos
[08:01] <Kilos> good ty barrydk and you?
[08:02] <barrydk> Also fine. Had a little rest but back and bussy at work again
[08:03] <Kilos> good old mazal has been stressing
[08:04] <barrydk> It when he go on leave it's my turn to stress again but what shall we do
[08:05] <Kilos> haha
[08:05] <barrydk> Someone must stress
[08:20] <magespawn> superfly it is done user magespawn
[08:25] <Kilos> so magespawn what does the option dump sector do
[08:25] <Kilos> the tool says you must save changes but there aint and save button
[08:51] <superfly> magespawn: done
[09:20] <Kilos> lo Vince-0 
[09:35] <inetpro> Interesting status report for Raring Ringtail http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/
[09:36] <inetpro> lot's to do still but seemingly on track
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a question
[09:43]  * ThatGraemeGuy puts on flame suit
[09:43] <superfly> oh dear... one of those questions...
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't had to deal with ftp in forever, does anyone know which ftp server will let me create a login independent of the normal user database, and specify a root dir for the ftp session?
[09:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> so i want to be able to log in as ftpuser, and by root must be /home/somesystemuser/path/to/subdir
[09:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> and ftpuser is not a normal user account, it only exists in the ftp daemon's world
[09:45] <tumbleweed> inetpro: I guess I've been distracted http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-raring/u/stefanor.html
[09:45]  * tumbleweed is very sad about UDS being cancelled
[09:46] <tumbleweed> also NAFC what next week's UDS is about, but a weeks notice is crazy
[09:47] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: I most recently used vsftp, but I don't know if it supports non-system users
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> it doesn't seem to :-/
[09:49] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: it does seem to support using PAM - dunno if that'll help at all
[09:49] <tumbleweed> ThatGraemeGuy: most ftp servers will
[09:51] <inetpro> Maaz: ftp
[09:51] <Maaz> Dump FTP! http://www.43folders.com/2008/07/14/dump-ftp see also: FTP must Die!! http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie
[09:51] <superfly> tumbleweed: how about trying to do one of them at the Global Jam?
[09:51] <inetpro> tumbleweed: yikes!
[09:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> my flamesuit makes me deaf to your ftp hate :P
[09:52] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: :-)
[09:53] <tumbleweed> superfly: also, http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/u/stefanor.html
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> if this was for a person i'd just let them use winscp, but unfortunately its to allow some sort of digital magazine publishing app to place its files somewhere, so ftp is what i'm stuck with
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> and the system user has no password, hence the need to have an ftp login that doesn't map to the system user
[09:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its looking like i might just set a password and be done with it
[09:54] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: what about a dropbox or Ubuntu one solution?
[09:55] <inetpro> or any of the many others
[09:58] <inetpro> others include iCloud, SkyDrive, SpiderOak, Box.net, Mozy, Wuala, Amazon Cloud Player, Google Music, Humyo, iDisk, Jungle Disk or Live Mesh
[10:01] <superfly> inetpro: it's on a server
[10:02] <inetpro> well even a server can be a dropbox client
[10:02] <inetpro> while I'm not saying use dropbox
[10:03] <inetpro> I'm just trying to find practicable replacements for FTP
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'd rather not go that way as there'll be multiple servers hosting the files
[10:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> and the files are on a clustered filesystem, so running dropbox on all of them would be ..... i dunno, just weird
[10:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[10:10] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: I don't know how old this is, if it still works, but you can have a look: http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Chroot_Vsftpd_with_non-system_users
[10:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh it does support virtual users :-o
[10:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks :)
[10:13] <superfly> You're welcome
[11:25] <magespawn> ty superfly it will be done on the nexr break i have
[11:25] <magespawn> s/nexr/next
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh man every now and then i get sucked in to the "endorse your connections" screen on linkedin
[11:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm a little disappointed that the only option available is to "endorse" someone or ignore, there should be a "lol wut? noooo!" option for some of the things people claim as skills
[11:56] <superfly> hahaha
[11:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> "Does $clueless_phb know about 'Ubuntu'?"
[11:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> well if by "know about", you mean, "knows how to execute a successful 'sudo reboot' command, then yes!"
[11:57]  * superfly thinks he knows who $clueless_phb is
[11:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> :D
[11:57] <jrgns> it's amazing how people just endorse you
[11:58] <jrgns> i have a couple of endorsements from people who have no idea
[11:58] <jrgns> (i'm claiming them anyway!)
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah its a bit silly, i get endorsed for things like Ubuntu, Apache, HAproxy from people I worked with 10 years ago. dude, when i worked with you, neither of us used those things
[12:07] <Squirm> afternoon
[12:09] <jrgns> yo Squirm
[12:31] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: it's almost as bad as the buzzword bingo that most recruiters play
[12:41] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[12:48] <barrydk> Lekker slaap almal
[13:38] <Vince-0> heyo'll
[13:47] <inetpro> wb Vince-0
[13:55] <jrgns> cheers all
[14:15]  * Squirm yawns
[15:07] <magespawn> afternoon all
[15:15] <magespawn> the get involved page edits http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved
[16:38] <superfly> magespawn: looks good, except that I'd substitute "wiki" for "website"
[16:49] <magespawn> okay cool superfly will do 
[16:49] <magespawn> on the way home now, later all
[17:47] <charl_> good evening
[17:52] <Kilos> hi charl_ 
[18:38] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[18:38] <charl_> today had some interesting adventures with uefi boot
[18:38] <charl_> attemting to install ubuntu 12.04 ended in an epic fail
[18:38] <charl_> ubuntu 12.10 worked perfectly though
[18:39] <charl_> ubuntu 12.04 - installed perfectly but then grub refused to load linux
[18:39] <charl_> apparently it couldn't see the hard drive - weird stuff
[18:39] <tumbleweed> 12.04.2 should support UEFI (and secure boot)
[18:40] <charl_> yes i tried 12.04.2 exactly
[18:40] <magespawn> evening 
[18:40] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[18:41] <charl_> the grub problem might have been unrelated to the uefi boot, i'm not sure
[18:41] <charl_> considering that grub did load, in principle the boot loader did its job
[18:41] <charl_> but then grub failed
[18:41] <tumbleweed> under EFI, grub uses EFI to load its own modules, and any kernel you want to boot
[18:42] <charl_> *the grub loader might not have
[18:42] <charl_> oh no i said unrelated :) haha, corrected myself unnecessarily
[18:42] <charl_> ah in that case it was probably realted
[18:42] <tumbleweed> might be unrelated to UEIF, but I'd suspect related
[18:42] <charl_> i had secure boot disabled in any case
[18:43] <charl_> it was the first time i installed on a computer with uefi and never had any grub problems on 12.04 before
[18:44] <charl_> but it was a brand new computer so impossible to be sure
[18:45] <charl_> whatever it was, it was fixed in 12.10
[18:45] <magespawn> o/ charl_ 
[18:45] <charl_> it installed and booted without any problems
[18:45] <charl_> still having secure boot disabled
[18:45] <tumbleweed> ok
[18:45] <magespawn> i also had some strange happenings today
[18:45] <charl_> what happened magespawn ?
[18:46] <magespawn> was running kubuntu 12.04 on shop pc
[18:47] <magespawn> decided to clean install of xubuntu 12.04 to match other pc, but that kept failing
[18:48] <magespawn> so did clean install of edubuntu 10.04 and when booted fine i get hard drive imminent failure warnings
[18:48] <magespawn> there were no warnings under the kubuntu at all
[18:49] <magespawn> also did a release upgrade to 12.04.2 and that went off without a hitch
[18:52] <magespawn> it is a smart status warning, used to happen before when it was on ubuntu 10.04 too
[18:52] <magespawn> have been using it for almost three years now anyway
[18:54] <charl_> maybe a good idea to run the smartctl tool directly and see what it outputs
[18:54] <charl_> run a thorough hard drive selfdiagnostic
[18:54] <charl_> if the pc has nothing important on, you could probably ignore it
[18:54] <charl_> you should have everything important already backed up in any case
[18:55] <magespawn> it is one of the internet cafe pc in my shop no data at all
[18:56] <charl_> ok no worries then
[18:56] <charl_> but why did xubuntu install fail?
[18:56] <charl_> did it give you any information?
[18:57] <magespawn> it did, i forget now though
[18:57] <magespawn> have it at the shop somewhere
[18:59] <charl_> i am watching hak5 now - they are at cern
[18:59] <charl_> they even had the first web server on display
[18:59] <magespawn> nice
[19:00] <charl_> apparently you can get a tour at cern but you have to book or something, way in advance
[19:01] <charl_> i've never looked at it though
[19:01] <magespawn> cern as in hadron colider
[19:01] <charl_> yes
[19:01] <charl_> where the web was born plaque :)
[19:01] <charl_> hahaha
[19:01] <charl_> epic!
[19:07] <charl_> wow the computer museum, would not have expected that
[19:09] <charl_> the mouse cage! oh my goodness
[19:09] <charl_> this is just hilarious
[19:12] <magespawn> i will have to check it out in the morning
[19:26] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[21:07] <charl_> nn
[21:15] <magespawn> sokemfood for thought on windows secure boot http://www.zdnet.com/torvalds-clarifies-linuxs-windows-8-secure-boot-position-7000011918/
[21:15] <magespawn> s/sokemfood/ some food
[22:18] <magespawn> good night/morning