[00:39] Hey guys [00:50] Riddell: ping [00:51] Riddell: NMV, found it. [01:34] s/NMV/NVM/ [01:34] ScottK: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed" [01:35] ScottK: don't freak out kubotu [01:35] :D [07:37] ::qt-bugs:: [744812] FontConfig/Qt stack choke on Ubuntu Medium font meta-data (No medium in Inkscape and too bo... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/744812 (by Francois Thirioux) === Adityab_ is now known as Adityab [08:32] christ [08:32] shadeslayer: turns out I'm just wasting time [08:32] wtf is kpeople anyways? === bambee is now known as rperier [10:21] ktp build failures [10:21] ktp build failures everywhere [10:25] I blame shadeslayer! [10:25] * Quintasan looks at logs [10:27] shadeslayer: There is something wrong with telepathy qt 4 logger [10:27] TelepathyLoggerQt4 [10:27] fails to be found [10:27] but the damn logger got built [10:27] wtf [10:28] argh [10:28] seems like it needs some tweaking [10:35] sheytan: btw, I started to use your lightdm background image for the new installer [10:36] agateau: show show show me :D:D [10:36] let me dig a screenshot [10:38] sheytan: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-windowedhz5759 [10:39] agateau: is the new installer fullscreen? [10:39] does the wall show only in on the left side panel? [10:39] sheytan: it runs fullscreen if you select "install" at boot time, it runs windowed if you run it from a live session [10:40] sheytan: the main content is supposed to be not completely opaque and show the background a bit as well, but maybe it's too opaque right now [10:40] sheytan: I was worried about making the whole window too dark if I used your background everywhere [10:41] agateau: it won't be :) Can you make a shot of the windowed version where i can see the background in the whole window? [10:43] sheytan: let me try it (working on Ubiquity is slow...) [10:44] agateau: btw, on some machines, the installer starts ages and on others few secs. Why is that? [10:45] sheytan: I am not sure exactly, but here it is very slow, most likely because of the way it communicates with debian-installer under the hood [10:45] agateau: maybe it is time to change some code? :) [10:45] if possible ofc :D [10:45] sheytan: that would require a major rewrite, so not possible [10:46] possible but out of time i guess :) [10:51] sheytan: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-windowedw25229 [10:52] sheytan: I changed some texts to white to make them readable, but there are many places it would need to be fixed [10:52] sheytan: I don't feel like diving into that [10:52] and it clashes a lot with the window decoration [10:53] window decorations crash on kubuntu as well? [10:53] xnox: "c*l*ash" as in "too much contrast between window decoration color and content" [10:54] xnox: kwin does not do crashes :) [10:55] (except when I am doing a lightning talk about Homerun at UDS :/ ) [10:58] agateau: well, this looks bad :D i will explain [10:59] i though, the installer will be windowed, just like the last few releases and we will use the background [10:59] only [10:59] but you put the background instead of the png files used previously [10:59] I see [10:59] the new installer won't use them anymore, right? [10:59] I think we have different definitions of windowed [11:00] might be :) [11:00] for me "windowed" means runs in a standard window, with minimize, maximize and close buttons [11:00] whereas I guess for you it is about the "fake" window the installer used to run in [11:00] that shot you send in mailing list lately was what i mean ;) [11:01] sheytan: this one? http://simplest-image-hosting.net/png-0-plasma-windowedh10219 [11:02] and btw i see that the background is repeated or you don't have the proper file, just cutted out from the lightdm mockup [11:02] yes [11:02] i see the background in the left panel [11:02] but does it display under the middel one too? [11:02] can you make the middel panel white background transparent a bit? [11:02] yes, I can make it more transparent [11:02] but this is going to darken the whole window, which I don't like much [11:03] Actually, I was wondering if you could create a version of the texture which would be a bit less sad, adding a slight touch of Kubuntu blue in it for example [11:04] mmm, maybe the new look is boring because it is still missing the Kubuntu logo in the top-left corner [11:11] agateau: maybe :) [11:11] can you make the middle one transparent so i can see how it looks like? [11:11] than i will come out with some ideas :) [11:18] sheytan: lunch time there, I'll look into it this afternoon. Actually I could maybe provide you a .svg for you to experiment with. [11:20] agateau: sure, no problem. Mail me madsheytan at gmail dot com :) [11:48] hello world :D [11:51] hi ovidiu-florin [12:06] * Darkwing mumbles something about morning [12:06] already? [12:06] but it was yesterday only the other day [12:13] Quintasan: common internals needs retrying [12:13] Okay, coffee just finished [12:18] Hi all [12:20] * Riddell wonders why he just got a popup that a new release of kubuntu is available [12:21] * Darkwing raises an eyebrow [12:22] That was a known issue, but I forgot where the problem was [12:28] hmm, the High contrast accessibility theme seems to have disappeared, was hoping to test agateau's ubiquity with it [12:32] we have no accessibility [12:32] we just claim that we do so it looks nice [12:32] like we claim that kubuntu is l10n'd === fabo_ is now known as fabo [12:43] apachelogger: yeah most accessibility was lost in the kde 4 transition [12:54] agateau: hah, I was going to point out how there's some issues in right to left mode but ksnapshot is against me http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/tmp/ubiquity-bi.png [12:54] agateau: and they're no worse than the old layout so not a barrier to merging [12:54] agateau: think layout-refresh is ready to merge? [12:55] Riddell: I think so. I am probably going to iterate more on this, but I'd say it is solid enough to be used right now [12:56] Riddell: what was the rtl issue? [12:56] agateau: arrows pointing the wrong way [12:56] Breadcrumb.CURRENT: "‣", doesn't get swapped [12:56] nor the forward/backward buttons [12:57] just like the old layout though [12:58] Riddell: Easy to fix, but maybe it's better to do so in a separate request. That one is quite big already. [12:58] agateau: yeah [12:58] agateau: I'll merge this one now [13:00] Riddell: groovy [13:00] Riddell: I sent another one yesterday as well [13:01] yep, next to do [13:02] Riddell: how do you actually test reverse mode? [13:02] oh, pick a rtl language maybe [13:03] da [13:03] agateau: aye scroll down and select something semitic [13:03] Riddell: got it [13:08] yofel: btw, on the kubuntu automation board you need to do options -> settings -> allow org members to join [13:09] Good afternoon to apachelogger and yofel and shadeslayer and Riddell [13:09] s/afternoon/evening/ [13:09] smartboyhw meant: "Good evening to apachelogger and yofel and shadeslayer and Riddell" [13:09] LOL [13:09] * smartboyhw thought of it in UTC format [13:09] * smartboyhw writes an angry post to Planet Ubuntu again. [13:10] smartboyhw: what's angering you today? [13:10] Riddell, one of the very excellent devs has decided not to develop for Ubuntu anymore.... (because of new UDS and open-source code not open-sourced) [13:11] hey [13:12] What code isn't opensourced? [13:13] smartboyhw: what code not open? [13:13] Darkwing, Ubuntu Phone + Tablet + TV [13:13] Phone and Tablet is here http://phablet.ubuntu.com/gitweb [13:14] ^ [13:14] That leaves TV I believe that I don't know where code it. [13:14] it/is [13:14] I'd say that it's fine to keep the source closed until you're ready to release it [13:14] but, the phone and tablet is very open. [13:14] like Android does [13:14] but once it's opensourced, plz develop in that git repo [13:14] Darkwing, I know, but he says that only 75% of code is open [13:14] in the open [13:14] smartboyhw: writing angry posts to planet ubuntu is rarely the way to get source code [13:14] interesting to see Canonical using git :) [13:14] popey, I know [13:15] who said the UI was goign to be opensource anyway? :P [13:15] It's not my way to get source code [13:15] It's a complaint to Canonical sort of moving away from the community. [13:15] smartboyhw: we're talking to him [13:15] popey is trolling kubuntu? [13:15] * Darkwing hides [13:15] popey, him -> ? [13:15] Darkwing, LOL [13:16] smartboyhw: yes, the person you're talking about [13:16] popey and jono in less than a week... I feel relivent. [13:16] popey, good [13:16] have faith [13:16] Darkwing: I only troll Kubuntu on Wednesdays, sorry. [13:16] :D [13:16] popey: It's thursday buddy :P:P [13:16] curious, that's the same day I do it [13:17] popey, it's Thursday:P [13:17] Who do I talk to about moving Akademy to May? :D [13:17] who's trolling now? :P [13:17] Yes. Duh! [13:17] it's a conspiracy [13:17] i.e. I am not trolling. [13:17] Darkwing: lolwut? [13:17] Darkwing: cannot be done xD [13:17] Darkwing: and make it online only! :) [13:17] apachelogger: I can't travel in the summer months... I have my kids in the summer. [13:18] If it was in May I would be there every year. [13:18] So who's running for the Kubuntu council here? [13:18] o/ [13:18] if it was in May half of KDE wasn't able to attend :P [13:18] j/k [13:18] * smartboyhw is happy he isn't related to it [13:18] I'm going to run for re-election [13:18] The good news is I expect Ubuntu Tablet devs to attend Akademy this year [13:18] VOTE DARKWING! [13:18] actually [13:18] popey, LOL [13:18] I am not [13:18] Darkwing, good one [13:18] Thank you popey [13:18] apachelogger: ok, set [13:18] so go find someone else to do your dirty work [13:18] ! [13:18] apachelogger, not ? [13:18] You are apachelogger? [13:19] *Aren't [13:19] I did not want to run last time around [13:19] Darkwing, LOL [13:19] someone nominated me because there were not enough nominees [13:19] popey: different topic, reading http://planet.ubuntu.com/ I want to listen to the podcast but there's nothing on the ubuntu-uk post that says where to download it [13:19] Riddell, oh!? [13:19] apachelogger, that's sad [13:19] yofel: thx [13:19] * smartboyhw is unhappy that he can't vote [13:19] that is entirely your fault [13:20] you had to go become ubuntu-member instead of kubutnu-member [13:20] smartboyhw: you should have gone for kubuntu-membership [13:20] agateau: really? more than one of them? [13:20] Riddell: http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/2013/02/28/s06e01-we-need-to-talk-about-ubuntu/ [13:20] click through [13:20] Riddell: yes, given that it's co-hosted with Qt dev days ;) [13:20] we have an open "bug" about that [13:20] Darkwing, I should have I know.... But then I don't regrest [13:21] or subscribe in Klisten or whatever your KDE audio thing is [13:21] AMAROK! that's it isn't it? [13:21] :D [13:21] Tomahawk [13:21] popey: ah so planet munges it [13:21] can amarok do podcasts again? [13:21] yes [13:21] shadeslayer: that thing can't do podcasts [13:21] Riddell: kinda, we know we can fix it tho with css i think [13:21] I know becuase that thing can't even play all me collection [13:21] it can't ? :( [13:21] which is like annoying [13:21] lol [13:21] I hae all my podcasts on my N7 and nexus with beyondpod [13:22] s/hae/have/ [13:22] Darkwing meant: "I have all my podcasts on my N7 and nexus with beyondpod" [13:22] Darkwing: you're such a fanboy :P [13:22] apachelogger: Duh [13:22] bah, got to run. talk to you all later. FWIW, Id vote for Darkwing :D [13:22] also n7 sounds like some nokia product [13:23] Nexus 7 by Asus sound better? [13:23] yes [13:23] My nexus 7 by asus and my nexus 4 by LG [13:28] agateau: merged! [13:28] Riddell: \o/ [13:29] Riddell: have you been able to go through the slideshow as well? [13:29] agateau: no I was just testing it on my local system [13:29] agateau: is there a reason why that wouldn't work? [13:30] Riddell: I don't know, it fails with an empty crash message here, but trunk before merge failed the same way :/ [13:30] agateau: mm you said, I'll try it in a virtual machine after lunch [13:31] Riddell: I assume ubiquity should be able to run correctly to the end from an installed system [13:34] * Darkwing screams at the wiki === Guest51288 is now known as shadeslayer__ === rdieter_work is now known as rdieter [14:07] I scream at a wiki and kill all converstaion [14:11] KMail... why you hate kubuntu-devel lists? [14:12] wfm. === bambee is now known as rperier [14:25] This is such a bugger... [14:25] when I view my messages online via my servers webmail, I have them... KMail isn't downloading or syncing my messages in 12.04LTS [14:27] unless KMail doesn't like 50,000+ Messages [14:28] Maybe I should take a few hours and clean out my inbox. [14:30] It's Akonadi and that many in one directory will cause problems. [14:36] Okay [14:36] It's just strange that I get some and not others. [14:38] I have one with ~30K and it's marginal. I get all or none, but sometimes it hangs. [14:39] Like, I have not recieved a single kubuntu-devel email in 2013 [14:39] But, it's only that list [14:39] Darkwing, !? [14:39] * smartboyhw feels weird [14:39] It's showing up in my webmail. [14:43] smartboyhw: How so? [14:47] Darkwing, because it doesn't show up [14:48] I'll figure it out... Prolly just a 50,000+ email problem. [15:23] agateau: what does your ubiquity do when running before the full desktop session? [15:23] is kwin running? [15:23] ubiquity-dm [15:23] which is launched by ubiquity upstart job, which start it's own X server and kwin in case of Qt frontend. [15:24] Riddell: I haven't touch this [15:24] xnox: ok good, kwin will do something sensible then [15:24] * xnox ponders if qt should be booting with kernel arg maybe-ubiquity and display "greeter" mode like gtk frontend [15:24] with pretty buttons install/try kubuntu [15:31] Good afternoon [15:49] Riddell, would there be a Kubuntu UDS March session? [15:52] Maybe we should have one just to try it out [15:52] yofel__, then when? [15:53] no idea so far. Till when do the session have to be created? [15:53] yofel__, ask jono:P [15:53] Not the best of ideas... [15:54] That would be interesting... a UDS before the realease of 13.04 [15:54] Darkwing: it might not be productive, but we would at least know how it's *supposed* to work [15:54] * yofel__ has never used a google hangout so far [15:55] yofel__: Never? [15:55] never [15:56] I'm not even sure I have you on G+ [15:56] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html [15:56] end of releases [15:56] Darkwing: I have you at least [15:56] If you wish to test... https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/644da17b2202d1a6b71f6c10f32ad4adc6d5261e?authuser=0&hl=en [15:57] can't right now, I'm at work [15:57] ahhh, kk. Let me know and we can jump on really quick [15:57] I'll just lurk in this hangout for a while. [15:58] oooooh, the Rolling Release announcement! [15:58] buggery [15:58] Time has changed to 2-8 UTC [15:58] I thought LTS had changed to every 4 years [15:58] Riddell, DAMN [15:59] if the archive gets some restructuring it's doable. But with only release, -proposed and -backports it's HARD [16:00] Darkwing, whoa? 4 YEARS? [16:00] Oh, nevermind, 3 [16:00] and 5 for server [16:01] Darkwing, it's now all 5 [16:01] "usable every day" -> note that skype is currently unusable in raring [16:01] ah wait [16:01] yofel__, oh [16:01] I HATE SKYPE. that's all [16:01] Darkwing, why? [16:02] Right 5 years... However, Ricks email got that wrong... [16:02] = Role of the LTS Releases = [16:02] Many users prefer their OS does not change very often. We have a great [16:02] system in place for these users. Every 2 years Ubuntu release an LTS and [16:02] users can ride that LTS for the whole support period. Since the LTS comes [16:02] out every 2 years, they can set a 2 year cadence of updates if they want to [16:02] smartboyhw: nvm, it's not [16:02] stay "up to date" with LTS releases. I think this 2 year cadence works out [16:02] very well for these users. So, this proposal maintains those LTS releases [16:02] as anchors for those users. [16:02] qtwebkit is still in proposed [16:02] bug 1131636 is to be noted though [16:02] Darkwing, 5 years means supporting [16:02] bug 1131636 in qtwebkit-source (Ubuntu) "After QtWebkit update Skype is not launching" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1131636 [16:02] It releases every two years [16:02] Then it is supported for 5 [16:03] Okay. this is crazy IMO. [16:03] Whatever. [16:03] This is going to get fun [16:04] * Take a monthly snapshot of the development release, which we support only until the next snapshot [16:04] That ^ will not work [16:04] at least not for everyone if only one date can be set [16:04] * smartboyhw quites [16:04] s/quites/quits [16:04] makes is harder for you guys, I assume [16:07] it has good and bad points. We would for example save the Q/A time for one backport release as we currently do the kde 4.10 backports for 2 stable releases [16:08] but we would need some way to test e.g. 4.10.0 for the rolling release and then published the full tested package set at once [16:08] which currently is rather hard to do I think [16:08] would a rolling release allow us to intergrate KDE? [16:08] quicker [16:08] we could make a CD image just after KDE SC releases [16:08] so it might [16:08] Darkwing: no, as it should be always usable, we can't put any beta/RC's in there [16:09] ug, yes [16:09] So, what if we... damn [16:09] gentoo has a sensible way to do this as apachelogger said. We currently do not [16:09] How does gentoo? I missed that? [16:11] different archives for beta software I presume [16:11] Riddell, yofel: How long is SC in place? ie if it releases on march 2 there is no reason why you can't support that as a monthly roll cd, so you have kde, kde-sc, and kde-lts as images? [16:12] Darkwing: it's a bit similiar to debian stable/unstable/experimental. Except that you would mass-move stuff from unstable to stable by changing the arch tag [16:12] from ~amd64 to amd64 IIRC (or something like that, haven't used it in a long time) [16:12] *Could* Kubuntu be setup that way with daily/snapshot? [16:12] I wonder how Arch does this [16:12] they need to worry about binary publication too [16:13] davmor2: it releases ~monthly~ but the dates aren't really fixed [16:14] yofel__: arch aren't really set to we won't break your system [16:15] true, but that's then pretty much what raring is right now [16:16] yofel__: Yeah so you do an sc monthly snapshot image for the adventurous, kde is the stable rolling, and then lts is the one that your customers utilise [16:17] what [16:17] I only see a Re: Let's Discuss Interim Releases (and a Rolling Release) [16:17] no original email [16:17] gmail ate it up [16:17] shadeslayer: I do [16:17] shadeslayer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html [16:18] yaeh [16:18] no follow up emails :( [16:18] davmor2: yeah, but where would you pre-test kde releases for the kde stable? Everything in PPA's? Feature development in PPA's too? Integration testing by adding a bunch of PPA's? [16:18] * shadeslayer has to use the sucky mailman interface now [16:18] yofel__: Darkwing http://wstaw.org/m/2013/02/28/plasma-desktopsr8306.png [16:19] shadeslayer: there's the original from him, the follow up and a mail from pitti [16:19] anyone want to do a tl;dr of what has been discussed here so far? [16:19] yofel__: I searched using the subject line [16:19] weird [16:20] nothing in spam as well [16:20] yofel__: I guess that is what you will need to tune in for tomorrow I have no idea how it would work I'm just presenting a possibly solution to the issue of getting SC in earlier for those that are interested [16:21] true, we'll have to see. I'll try to make some time to listen tomorrow [16:23] hm [16:23] why can't we put beta's and RC's into the rolling release [16:23] for me usable is : Packages install fine, startkde works [16:23] if there's a bug in KDE, not my fault [16:23] Esp if yoiu going to be a "Daily" user [16:23] unless I did it [16:24] right [16:24] Being a daily user means there will/can be some breakage. [16:24] and since we have auto-upgrade-tester running every sunday [16:24] it shouldn't be a huge issue to upgrade from LTS to rolling [16:25] a "monthly" will get the goodies in a slightly more stable environment. [16:25] then the LTS will be good to go. [16:25] well [16:25] I don't want to do monthlies [16:25] I want to do a new CD image after every KDE release [16:25] Ohhhhhhhhhh.... I like that. [16:25] which is somewhat monthly [16:26] but instead of having it at the end of each month, spin a new CD 2-3 days after KDE release [16:26] rolling daily with beta and SC, "monthly with KDE releases and LTS. [16:26] something like that yes [16:26] Anyone else see issues with that idea? [16:26] this also allows us to do awesome tablet stuff [16:27] PA can more easily be released etc [16:27] did anyone upload poppler? [16:27] * shadeslayer drops that into trello [16:27] That would money with release versions though, wouldn't it? [16:28] money? [16:28] Or, woudl it still be year.month? [16:28] :D [16:28] monkey [16:28] I hadn't read the part with the snapshots back then. If we can put a freeze on KDE before beta then we can put them into the daily archive [16:28] yofel__: you like/dislike the idea? [16:29] It would give us the most current KDE ava [16:29] yofel__: err ... I don't think monthlies is viable for us [16:29] we don't /have/ to stick with what ubuntu's CD release plans are :P [16:29] both actually. It'll be less work, but we need to be able to provide a usable system to users [16:29] we can do a CD release after a KDE release [16:29] yofel__: define usable [16:29] No, but I like the idea of KDE beta/SC being in a daily and a CD release after the KDE release as long as there was an upgrade path. [16:30] I'm particulary interested in how to do gcc transitions and so on [16:30] Oh dang... this is going to be a docs nightmare.... [16:30] Unless, I moved the docs online then, exported it as XML for the KDE releases [16:30] shadeslayer: is synaptiks usable in raring? [16:31] I need to monkey with those. [16:31] yofel__: depends on how you use it :> [16:31] the kcm? nope [16:31] sure, we can focus on bugfixing in monthly-sprints, but it would still take some getting used to [16:31] Darkwing: no it won't, you concentrate you're docs team on the LTS releases and add helpful pointers to updated features maybe [16:32] but if you run it via krunner, it works [16:32] because it forces python2 [16:32] which reminds me [16:32] Quintasan, ScottK: did someone of you have time to look at pykde4? [16:33] if not we should fix that while we work on 4.10.1 [16:33] No. [16:33] ok [16:35] TBH wrt. betas. I would really keep those in a PPA until the last point release for 4.X-1 is out [16:35] davmor2: That's a good idea... [16:36] Maybe, having docs updated as we go online, then have the docs package for LTS... [16:37]