| ibeardslee | morning | 19:05 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 19:05 |
| ajmitch | so, ubuntu as a rolling release... | 19:05 |
| ibeardslee | as long as the LTS stays stable | 19:08 |
| ajmitch | that's the point pretty much, that the LTS is kept as the main release | 19:08 |
| ajmitch | long discussion started on the ubuntu-devel list about it today | 19:09 |
| ibeardslee | that's the way I reckon it should happen .. stable LTS other 'releases' are bordering on "development", the "let's see how this goes and see it it'll fly in an LTS" | 19:10 |
| * ajmitch is trying to wade through the thread at the moment :) | 19:10 | |
| ibeardslee | encourage the average home/enterprise user to stick with the LTS | 19:10 |
| ibeardslee | bleeding edgers roll with the rolling release | 19:10 |
| ibeardslee | .. my not so humble opinion | 19:11 |
| hads | Sounds quite good to me. | 19:40 |
| === _thumper_ is now known as thumper | ||
| olly | morning | 20:52 |
| olly | sounds like debian to me... | 20:52 |
| ajmitch | though it might be debian with monthly snapshots of testing | 20:53 |
| snail | what we need is to select distro by section: LTS + rolling games; LTS + rolling java; ... | 22:06 |
| * thumper avoids commenting | 22:23 | |
| thumper | morning BTW | 22:23 |
| ajmitch | thumper: now that's not fair :) | 22:24 |
| thumper | I have too much prior knowledge | 22:25 |
| thumper | and shouldn't comment | 22:25 |
| thumper | but I agree that rolling releases are the correct approach | 22:26 |
| thumper | how else are we going to avoid running out of letters | 22:26 |
| lifeless | I've been saying for years that debian should stop 'releases' | 22:26 |
| thumper | I predict a naming scheme change prior to Z | 22:26 |
| thumper | well, there will still be LTS releases | 22:26 |
| thumper | like debian stable, no? | 22:27 |
| ajmitch | that's the current suggestion, yes | 22:27 |
| lifeless | yeah, I'm more radical | 22:29 |
| ajmitch | always install from the latest known-good daily image? | 22:30 |
| ibeardslee | I wouldn't be expecting daily changes on a rolling release cycle | 22:37 |
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| lifeless | ajmitch: right | 23:13 |
| lifeless | ibeardslee: why not? | 23:14 |
| ibeardslee | well not as "we must release something today" type daily changes | 23:15 |
| lifeless | ibeardslee: I don't know what that means. | 23:21 |
| snail | lifeless: there's pressure to have at least one new package to update every day once you move to a rolling schedule | 23:24 |
| lifeless | snail: there is? | 23:24 |
| snail | lifeless: it's one of the standard arguements against rolling release cycles | 23:26 |
| lifeless | snail: but its an argument against something that doesn't exist? | 23:27 |
| snail | we see it quite a bit on wikipedia | 23:28 |
| lifeless | snail: people want to edit a page a day? | 23:28 |
| snail | lifeless: there are people who want to update the numbers in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_viewed_YouTube_videos on a daily basis | 23:31 |
| lifeless | snail: lol, wow. | 23:31 |
| lifeless | snail: so consider a distro rolling release; the idea is that you make many small -careful-, -correct- changes | 23:31 |
| lifeless | each change gets CI tested and promoted | 23:32 |
| lifeless | and its not 'land in trunk, go to 20M users' | 23:32 |
| lifeless | its then staged through several successively larger populations looking for errors until it reaches everyone | 23:32 |
| snail | indeed | 23:32 |
| snail | but there are some things that are inherently dynamic | 23:33 |
| lifeless | most users would get batches of things coming through that pass full validation together | 23:33 |
| snail | things like spam filter data; maps of the world; TZ data; etc etc | 23:33 |
| lifeless | only canary populations would get full frequency of updates. | 23:33 |
| snail | notice that most of that is data, not code | 23:34 |
| lifeless | sure; but that can also break stuff, so should be in the same regime. | 23:37 |
| lifeless | And TBH if you look at commercial virus scanners, for isntance - they push that out in realtime. | 23:37 |
| lifeless | So, I'm not sure why you wouldn't want those things propogating rapidly and efficiently. | 23:38 |
| ibeardslee | oh you do want that, and security updates | 23:38 |
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