[00:00] <tyson_> Hi, how do I change the scp port??
[00:02] <sarnold> tyson_: see ListenAddress in sshd_config(5) for full details
[00:03] <tyson_> sarnold: thank you
[00:10] <tyson_> sarnold: still failing
[00:13] <sarnold> tyson_: did you restart sshd?
[00:13] <sarnold> tyson_: do you need to modify firewall rules to open that other port?
[00:14] <tyson_> sarnold: scp still says: por 22. connecion refused
[00:14] <tyson_> sarnold: yap
[00:15] <sarnold> tyson_: if your sshd is no longer listening on port 22, you'll have to tell your client what port to use to
[00:15] <sarnold> too
[00:18] <BTC2510> hello guys
[00:19] <tyson_> sarnold: What should I have done on the config file? set the port to the one I wanted, right?
[00:20] <tyson_> sarnold: scp is still doing its thing on port 22
[00:20] <bastidrazor> tyson_: you need to tell scp to use a different port
[00:20] <sarnold> tyson_: did you tell your scp client to use the different port?
[00:21] <tyson_> sarnold: no, I do not know how to do that
[00:21] <shauno> if you're going to mess with the ports, add an entry to ~/.ssh/config.  your sanity will thank you (and scp will honor it)
[00:22] <tyson_> shauno: I have...
[00:22] <tyson_> but somehow I still get the same error
[00:22] <sarnold> tyson_: it'd be scp -P portnum user@host:/path/to/file /path/to/local/dest
[00:23] <sarnold> tyson_: or, as shauno suggests, adding the funny port to your your ~/.ssh/config for that host, so you don't go nuts. :)
[00:24] <tyson_> sarnold: believe it or not I was trying that for the last 10 mins... do you know what was wrong -p instead of -P...... this Case sensitive thing will surely drive me mad
[00:25] <tyson_> sarnold: do you actualy know the difference and why?
[00:26] <bastidrazor> tyson_: the easiest way to learn about most commands is to read the manpage for them. 'man scp'
[00:26] <sarnold> tyson_: -p preserves mtimes and atimes in the copy (just like cp -p)
[00:27] <tyson_> sarnold: thank you....
[00:27] <tyson_> bastidrazor: thank you.....
[00:31] <roaksoax> run people run...
[00:31] <roaksoax> zul: is back :)
[00:39] <smoser> roaksoax, i'ave seen busted lang (or even unset) cause problems other places too. maybe on postgress
[00:40] <roaksoax> bigjools: ^^
[00:40] <zul> roaksoax:  havent seent that before unless debootstrap wasnt setup properly
[00:43] <BTC2510> was thinking,iv been a linux user a long long time ago,and i gave it up for win,soo now im planing too start ubuntu.
[00:44] <BTC2510> let me hear something
[00:44] <BTC2510> still as fun,as back then¨
[00:46] <sarnold> BTC2510: I have more fun with Linux now than I did ~19 years ago -- the simple things are no longer baffling, and the complicated things are more .. beautiful.
[00:46] <tsaavik> Without knowing what you want to do with it, and why you 'gave it up' its hard to answer your question.
[10:23] <AnRkey> good day, I'm trying to set static routes to go out of a ppp0 interface. Any way to do this automatically without specifying the gw or dev options in /etc/network/interfaces ?
[10:45] <jacobw> I upgraded to the version of byobu from the PPA and found that Alt+Left and Alt+Right now scroll through screens, I used to use these for Weechat and irssi, can I disable these bindings?
[11:33] <Guest7673> good day, I'm trying to set static routes to go out of a ppp0 interface. Is there any way to do this automatically without specifying the gw or dev options in /etc/network/interfaces? I don't have the remote address (dynamic) to set as the gw
[12:36] <Haris> Hello all
[13:10] <cusion> hi, there! could any one tell me what is login passphrase?
[13:13] <jpds> cusion: Log in passphrase?
[13:14] <cusion> yeah
[13:14] <cusion> i run ecryptfs-mount-private, it requires me to enter login passphrase
[13:15] <Sander^work> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=658 <-- Do anyone know if I can buy one advantage and one cloud add-on to support all guest in a virtual enviroment?
[13:20] <jpds> Sander^work: I think cloud is more for openstack, etc.
[13:20] <jpds> Sander^work: Have you tried contacting sales?
[13:21] <Sander^work> jpds, My manager did.. But the webpage was not clear about it.. so I just wanted to double check.
[13:21] <Sander^work> jpds, question is if I need the advantage support for each vm.
[13:22] <Sander^work> When it comes to mysql support.. then they only count physical machines.
[13:24] <qman__> Sander^work, "The add-on provides support per physical machine and for an unlimited number of virtual instances on each physical machine." - sounds pretty clear to me
[13:26] <Sander^work> qman__, that was not what my manager said.
[13:26] <Sander^work> qman__, after talking to sales on the phone.
[13:27] <qman__> I'm not associated with canonical at all, so I can't say authoritatively, but that language pretty concisely says that it's per physical machine with unlimited instances
[13:27] <Sander^work> qman__, he said I needed one support agreement for each guest.
[13:27] <qman__> but I'm sure that only applies to cloud, not standard VMs
[13:27] <Sander^work> qman__, ah, OK. I guess.
[13:27] <qman__> big difference between the two
[14:40] <hallyn> Daviey: hey - next server team conflicts with the vUDS.  should we cancel?
[14:41] <ScottK> hallyn: Clearly server team is planning too far ahead.
[14:42] <hallyn> ?
[14:42] <ScottK> If you didn't plan meetings in advance, there'd be no conflict with pop up UDS's a week away.
[14:42] <hallyn> gotcha :)
[14:43] <Daviey> hallyn: yep!  good catch
[14:43] <ScottK> And since the Canonical messaging on this UDS mess is that it's quite reasonable and why is everyone upset, you _must_ be wrong.
[14:43] <ScottK> ;-)
[14:44] <Daviey> ScottK: Great to see you embracing this.
[14:45] <hallyn> roaksoax: as you're scheduled to run the next meeting, do you mind sending an email to ubuntu-server about the cancelation?
[14:45] <ScottK> Embracing isn't the word I would have used.
[14:45] <jpds> ScottK: Working at Canonical is like UDS every day. ;-)
[14:45] <Daviey> as of late, my liver would agree with you.
[14:46] <zul> oooh....thats qutoable
[14:46] <ScottK> Well many of us who work for !canonical can't just drop everything.
[14:46] <roaksoax> hallyn: has it been cancelled? wasnt aware of that
[14:46] <roaksoax> but sure
[14:46] <hallyn> roaksoax: see above :)
[14:46] <ScottK> roaksoax: It wasn't before 5 minutes ago.
[14:47] <Daviey> ScottK: you probably know more about the vUDS, than the majority of canonical ubuntu engineers
[14:48] <ScottK> I only know what I read on the fridge.
[14:48] <Daviey> ScottK: Really, next week for server is going to be more of a checkpoint discussion
[14:48] <Daviey> which we have never really done well previously
[14:48] <Daviey> This really does add more transparency.
[14:48] <ScottK> Right.  It's still not clear what the sudden driver for a "UDS" mid cycle is.
[14:49] <Daviey> ScottK: I think the real driver for it, was having open discussion and planning around the phone.
[14:49] <Daviey> It wasn't driven by server :)
[14:49] <hallyn> that was my impression,
[14:49] <hallyn> i wasn't planning on spending the two full days on google+
[14:49] <hallyn> until the next one
[14:50] <Daviey> ScottK: But i am really trying to allow us to use this opportunity to give us a platform to be more open
[14:50] <ScottK> I think for Kubuntu we're likely to drop specs/burndown charts completely and just use something like Trello.
[14:50] <Daviey> ScottK: you must know that canonical used to have a middpoint platform rally?
[14:50] <ScottK> Yes.
[14:50] <zul> Daviey/jamespage: when you get a chance http://paste.ubuntu.com/5573476/
[14:50] <hallyn> Trello?
[14:50] <Daviey> ScottK: So think of this one for us, ike an open rally.
[14:50] <Daviey> That is how i want to use it, anyway.
[14:50] <ScottK> But if we're doing something different than what a UDS is for, it would be clearly to call it something different.
[14:51] <hallyn> Daviey: is there going to be a schedule posted for the server bits?
[14:51] <ScottK> clearly/clearer
[14:51] <Daviey> hallyn: Yes. Have you not filed your sessions yet? :)
[14:51] <Daviey> ScottK: I am not saying that it's what it is generally for.. It is what i am hoping WE can use it for. :)
[14:51] <hallyn> cheeky
[14:52] <ScottK> Right, sounds good.
[14:52] <hallyn> all right, back to this build over here
[14:53] <ScottK> Not that I'm available for this one, but the answer I got to my question about "How does one give a plenary talk" was highly discouraging.  It involved a bunch of Google services I've never used.  I'm not 100% I even know what they all are.
[14:55] <Daviey> ScottK: Not surprisingly, i am a fan of Free software.. But i am also a pragmatist.  Google hangouts are without a doubt the best no-cost solution to this.
[14:56] <Daviey> Unless a group of people want to get together to make a comparable open source suite?
[14:56] <ScottK> To the extent that one is comfortable with data being shared among an unpublished list of ALL Google's services, I don't doubt it.
[14:56] <Daviey> and uploading an ogv to the internet isn't sharing it with google?
[14:57] <Daviey> Anyway, this discussion isn't helpful.  Unless you are volunteering to drive a comparable video conference stack.
[14:57] <ScottK> That doesn't grant them any special rights with the data.
[14:58] <ScottK> I've participated remotely at UDS before and it's just not that hard.
[14:58] <ScottK> I think making it suck equally for everyone in the name of transparency doesn't make any sense.  I'm sure it's cheaper and that may be the real driver, but let's say that then.
[14:58] <Daviey> I have aswell, it was an awful experience
[14:59] <Daviey> ScottK: If it helps.. I believe we will be able to telephone people in.
[15:00] <ScottK> The harder part about being remote was carving out the time when I wasn't travelling/dedicated to doing UDS.
[15:00] <ScottK> So for me the technology is the least of the problem.
[15:01] <Daviey> Well, last time i was remote.. i attended sessions in the bath.. Which was (thankfully) voice only.. With the addition of video.. this makes it more of a challenge.
[15:02] <rbasak> If everything that happens at UDS is public anyway, what's the problem with also giving Google a copy?
[15:06] <hallyn> bow chicka bow wow, Daviey
[15:11] <rbasak> "Why ARM in Servers?" panel discussion live now: https://plus.google.com/102031805064483509929/posts
[15:11] <zul> Daviey:  * shudder *
[15:24] <alphAEcho1> ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49)
[15:24] <alphAEcho1> what does that error mean?
[15:25] <alphAEcho1> i am using ldapadd -x -D cn=admin,dc=something,dc=com -W -f add_content.ldif
[15:26] <alphAEcho1> and the file add_content.ldif i created myself reading https://help.ubuntu.com/12.10/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[15:26] <alphAEcho1> section Modifying/Populating your Database
[15:26] <alphAEcho1> anyone that knows anything?
[15:34] <detrix42> Hello everyone who are at their keyboard.  I just set up ubuntu server a few days ago.  Now setting up email server.  I went with postfix and alpine, but I need to know how to create/set the tls certificate.  Thanks for any help.
[15:36] <jcastro> hey ScottK, lmk if you guys switch to Trello
[15:37] <jcastro> I'm like, loving every minute of it.
[15:37] <jcastro> I use it as my day to day burndown chart
[15:37] <ScottK> We're looking into it.
[15:49] <gucki> any quagga guru here? :()
[15:52] <bkotewall> I have an ubuntu openstack question...  Authentication for swift seems to work sometimes, and sometimes it doesn't work, when I turn on memcache auth token caching on the swift proxy processes.  When I turn off memcache in swift proxy for the auth tokens, it works everytime
[15:52] <rbasak> !anyone | gucki
[15:53] <bkotewall> has anyone else encountered this issue before?  I'm also looking around on google
[15:53] <gucki> rbasak: sorry, dont get the point of this text ;)
[15:53] <gucki> i try to add an vlan interface using vtysh. configure works fine, and i can see the config using "sh run", but it's actually not active on the host? :(
[16:09] <saki`> sooooo...
[16:09] <saki`> i want to setup icecast on a server
[16:10] <saki`> for web radio
[16:10] <saki`> anyone have any experience with that?
[16:13] <kuups> Hey everybody, this may be a bit of a stupid question, but I can't seem to get the sources for the 2.6.32-042stab064.3 kernel installed.
[16:14] <ikonia> kuups: it's a kernel your VPS provider has made
[16:14] <ikonia> kuups: thats because it's not an ubuntu kernel
[16:14] <resno> iptables or csf?
[16:14] <ikonia> kuups: your ubuntu install is not a complete ubuntu install, it's a bastardized version your VPS provider has made
[16:15] <kuups> so I should take it up with my VPS provider?
[16:15] <ikonia> yes
[16:15] <resno> kuups: what kinda vps?
[16:15] <kuups> resno: what do you mean what kind?
[16:16] <resno> openvz or xen?
[16:16] <resno> if its openvz, you can install another kernel.
[16:16] <resno> cant*
[16:16] <resno> its a limitation on how openvz runs.
[16:17] <kuups> I think it's openvz, but it's not exactly specified
[16:17] <ikonia> kuups: just talk to your hosting provider
[16:17] <resno> but yall talk to them
[16:17] <ikonia> kuups: you'll find that a more practical approach
[16:17] <resno> then heresay
[16:17] <resno> how goes it ikonia
[16:17] <ikonia> fine
[17:02] <zul> yolanda/jamespage: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/nova/nova-cleanup/+merge/151057
[17:22] <yolanda> zul, do you think that we could backport "officially" wsme, webob and pecan to precise?
[17:22] <zul> yolanda: yeah i can do it this afternoon
[17:22] <zul> wsme is not in the archvie though
[17:22] <zul> Daviey:  ^^^
[17:22] <yolanda> is that still on my branch?
[17:23] <zul> yolanda:  uploaded but still stuck in binary new
[17:25] <yolanda> zul, i found some new deps for wsme and i had to comment tests in order to build that for precise
[17:25] <yolanda> not sure if it's giving that problems on raring
[17:25] <zul> yolanda: ok well one step at a time
[17:27] <yolanda> zul, installing ceilometer on precise gives that error:
[17:27] <yolanda> Unpacking python-ceilometer (from .../python-ceilometer_2013.1.a336.g9335d81+git201302212101~precise-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ...
[17:27] <yolanda> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/python-ceilometer_2013.1.a336.g9335d81+git201302212101~precise-0ubuntu1_all.deb (--unpack):
[17:27] <yolanda>  trying to overwrite '/usr/share/pyshared/tests/__init__.py', which is also in package python-boto 2.2.2-0ubuntu2
[17:27] <yolanda> any idea about that?
[17:28] <zul> yolanda:  not yet ill have a look this afternoon
[17:28] <yolanda> oh https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1102110
[17:34] <Goranek_> hi guys, whats the pythonic way of naming exceptions?
[17:34] <Goranek_> an example, my module is named "Life"
[17:34] <Goranek_> Exception LifeUserUnknown or just UserUnknown
[17:34] <Goranek_> ?
[17:35] <Goranek_> or Life_UserUnknown or User_Unknown
[17:46] <hallyn> Daviey: discussions on the list, and ScottK's comments earlier, do make me wonder - hwo will rolling release affect blueprints?
[17:46] <hallyn> not asking for an answer, but just wondering - has it been discussed?
[17:47] <hallyn> i'd be happy with getting per-LTS blueprints (for things like 'user namespace support inlxc') with per-monthly lower-overhead-not-quite-buleprints bits for short work items
[17:51] <Daviey> hallyn: I don't think it impacts blueprints too much, really
[17:52] <Daviey> we have set the goal for 13.04 release.. right?
[17:52] <hallyn> Daviey: dunno what that means.  i just don't want to do allthe bluepritn overhead every month
[17:53] <Daviey> Oh!
[17:53] <Daviey> hallyn: How do you feel about rolling blueprints? :)
[17:53] <Daviey> one blueprint to handle namespacing, that spans multiple months?
[18:00] <hallyn> Daviey: right, that's what i was hoping for (and meant with lts blueprints)
[18:07] <Koheleth> any problems with this postfix update?
[18:13] <Koheleth> let me rephrase, has anyone recently updated the recent postfix update on ubuntu server and had any problems
[18:24] <sarnold> Koheleth: are you _seeing_ problems?
[18:29] <Koheleth> sarnold its just that the last time I found that mail could not be sent and postfix where as helpful as a bag of nails
[18:29] <Koheleth> just thyought someone on here must have taken the plunge
[18:34] <Koheleth> does anyone run a ubuntu server here ;)
[18:35] <holstein> Koheleth: its all ubuntu, and i run a few.. i just dont have any comments on what you are asking
[18:36] <Koheleth> you not use postfix
[18:36] <holstein> Koheleth: correct.. i do not use postfix
[18:36] <Koheleth> thanks
[18:36] <holstein> Koheleth: i do run ubuntuserver
[18:37] <Koheleth> ok, but my first question sort of gives it away, thanks, narrowed 1 user down :)
[18:38] <holstein> Koheleth: sure, and thats why i didnt comment... but if you are wondering why, since you are not getting answers, if the channel/community is dead, its not.. you can ask in #ubuntu as well,, or the forum/mailing lists
[18:38] <Koheleth> sure, thanks
[18:38] <Koheleth> different time zones and planets as well
[18:47] <zul> adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/glance/deps-refresh/+merge/151072
[18:48] <zul> adam_g: https://code.launchpad.net/~zulcss/ceilometer/deps-refresh/+merge/151073
[19:09] <SynSynWork> Anyone have any experience using TPM to handle full-disk-encryption (and boot security) on Ubuntu Server?  I'd like to tie the decryption key to the specific hardware as well as decrypt using the key stored in TPM.
[19:15] <SynSynWork> No TPM suggestions?
[19:16] <holstein> SynSynWork: apparently not from any of the volunteers right now.. try #ubuntu or the mailing list or the forum.. cheers!
[19:16] <sarnold> SynSynWork: I recall reading recently that e.g. Lenovo uses a key in TPM for ata storage locking...
[19:17] <sarnold> SynSynWork: .. I've not read of OS-level uses, but try googling "trousers" if you're at a complete loss of how to get there. (I don't know for certain that they're involved, but .. maybe they are? :)
[19:17] <SynSynWork> holstein, Yeah, I tossed the same message out in #ubuntu
[19:18] <SynSynWork> sarnold, Yeah, I've been looking into Trousers specifically.
[19:18] <SynSynWork> sarnold, I have a TPM board and Trousers supposedly can handle the key writing, etc.
[19:19] <SynSynWork> sarnold, But that doesn't really help get the OS installed in a manner that will attempt to read said key from TPM.
[19:19] <SynSynWork> So, I'm assuming there is an additional step.
[19:20] <sarnold> SynSynWork: darn, then I'm not saying anything new for you :)
[19:20] <sarnold> SynSynWork: please do report back what you discover, if you've got the time/inclination.
[19:20] <SynSynWork> sarnold, Sure thing.  And yeah, I was seeing some rumors of DM-Crypt and LuKS supporting TPM, so I was hoping there was some magic easy button.
[19:24] <SynSynWork> sarnold, The _good_ news is Trousers supposedly can handle key storage, de/encryption with key, and data-sealing (which can be used to make it hardware specific.  But like I said, there is still the matter of getting the boot process to read and use that key.  I saw some vague references to building a new initrd - so that might be the solution.  But there is just so little information.
[19:24] <sarnold> SynSynWork: i recall last time I looked into it being a bit dissapointed at how fragmented it all felt
[19:25] <sarnold> SynSynWork: trousers people got the chip going, LUKS people had a nice key storage format thingy, dm had good layering of block-level encryption, and all groups felt their work was done. hehe.
[19:25] <SynSynWork> sarnold, Agreed, too many camps working on their own projects in their on their own little islands.
[19:52] <Praxi> so I have an adaptec controller thats just software raid.  I have 4 1TB drives that I would like to combine space on and maybe have some redundancy fault tolerance.  Ubuntu server 12.04 doesn't pick up the drives as a raid, but does see them all individually.  I dont have the option of buying any more hardware.  Should I be looking at ubuntu servers software raid?
[19:52] <Praxi> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/advanced-installation.html  <--specifically I'm reading that.
[19:54] <sarnold> Praxi: many people prefer software raid setups, because a dead controller card doesn't take the array with it -- it can be rebuilt on other systems
[19:54] <Praxi> ! ok then hehe.  Figured I would get a bunch of flack for it
[19:54] <Praxi> lol oops
[19:54] <sarnold> haha, silly bot.
[19:56] <Praxi> the ubuntu server is already built and running, just nothing done with the extra drives.  Should I just be rerunning the partition manager and building a raid in there?
[19:57] <Praxi> when looking at that previous link I posted, it doesn't say where to start, I assume parted?
[20:27] <SynSynWork> sarnold, Going back through my notes, when I researched this last time, I came across this (had forgotten about it, glad I took notes) - https://www.tpmcrypt.org/trac Figured you'd might find it interesting.
[20:28] <sarnold> SynSynWork: thanks :D
[20:28] <SynSynWork> sarnold, No problem.  Only downfall is the last update was 14m ago, and its only Alpha.  I'm assuming it is dead in the water.
[20:28] <sarnold> SynSynWork: oh :/ that seems like a plausible conclusion :(
[20:29] <SynSynWork> sarnold, But it does go through the whole process, cryptsetup+trousers, etc.  https://www.tpmcrypt.org/trac/wiki/TpmCryptInstall  So might be worth a test or two.
[20:29] <sarnold> hehe, "revision 44", not a good sign :) https://www.tpmcrypt.org/svn/tpmcrypt/
[20:32] <sarnold> SynSynWork: hum. Those directions look significantly better than the state of their svn might suggest. It might be further along than I suspected. :)
[20:32] <SynSynWork> sarnold, Yeah, it looks like _parts_ of it work.  And it might just be the parts we need/want.
[20:53] <lwizardl> hello
[20:54] <lwizardl> I was wondering if there was a way to have emails sent everytime a user logons to the system?
[21:14] <tsaavik> lwizardl: yes, but you probably want to look into setting up a centralized syslog server instead
[21:27] <lwizardl> tsaavik, yeah I was looking into that on linux journal. but I was looking at that as an option.
[21:28] <tsaavik> You could fool around with /etc/profile.d but really, your just going to run into issues, and you have the annoyance or worrying about wheter the server is configured for mail properly
[21:39] <lwizardl> tsaavik, true. I was just looking for more options that I could use.
[21:57] <sliddjur> I need some help using cracklib. i installed libpam-cracklib. now my /etc/pam.d/common-password updated and I can see the cracklib module. but its not using my new password rules.
[21:59] <Fra_ButBut_> Hello all
[22:02] <Fra_ButBut_> Is there nobody ?
[22:02] <holstein> Fra_ButBut_: sure.. just ask
[22:05] <sliddjur> he just wanted to ask why my cracklib isnt working
[22:05] <Fra_ButBut_> Ah fine, i am french sorry for my english  i work for ameliorate her by irc
[22:06] <Fra_ButBut_> I am in my mobile for write Is not easy
[22:08] <holstein> !fr
[22:13] <Fra_ButBut_> Re in my mobile irc buh
[22:13] <Fra_ButBut_> Bug
[22:18] <Fra_ButBut_> Olala
[22:19] <holstein> !fr | Fra_ButBut_ try the french channel
[22:20] <Fra_ButBut_> Thanks but Is for work my english
[22:21] <holstein> !ot | Fra_ButBut_ then try this for chat
[22:23] <Fra_ButBut_> OK Thanks, Goodbye ;)
[22:25] <jcastro> smoser: I think achiang's response on -devel can handle the use case you were talking about during lunch
[23:42] <med_> best ircd?
[23:42] <med_> I don't see one in the charm store.
[23:42] <med_> (lots of irc clients)