[05:27] <barrydk> Good morning all
[05:32] <superfly> morning barrydk 
[05:32] <superfly> Maaz: tell Kilos hoekom slap just night?! :-P
[05:32] <Maaz> superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[05:40] <Kilos> lol hiya superfly and others
[05:40] <Kilos> funny message
[05:43] <superfly> Kilos: yeah, autocorrect fail
[05:43] <Kilos> lol
[05:53] <Squirm> morning
[05:54] <Kilos> hi sq
[05:54] <Kilos> ai
[05:54] <Squirm> tab
[05:54] <Kilos> Squirm, 
[05:54] <Squirm> the little key on the left of your keyboard :)
[05:54] <Squirm> it says Tab
[05:54] <Kilos> i need that dd command you use please to clone one drive to another
[05:55] <Squirm> dd if=/path/to/the/drive/you/want/to/clone of=/path/to/the/other/drive bs=1M
[05:55] <Kilos> this drive i thought i fixed shows structure ok with testdisk but says read only
[05:55] <Kilos> grrr
[05:55] <Kilos> sjoe
[05:56] <Squirm> make sure the `if` is the one you want to KEEP
[05:56] <Kilos> dd if=/dev/sda of of=/dev/sdb
[05:57] <Kilos> is that it?
[05:57] <Kilos> oh and the end bit
[05:57] <Squirm> dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1M
[05:57] <Kilos> ty Squirm 
[05:57] <Squirm> so /dev/sda is the one you want to keep?
[05:57] <Squirm> cause you will lose everything on /dev/sdb
[05:58] <Kilos> i had a saved file on how to mount it manually and chmod to it but cant open the file this morning for some weird reason
[05:58] <Squirm> mount /dev/sdb1 /mountpoint/here
[05:59] <Squirm> chmod 777 /mountpoint/here
[05:59] <Kilos> just like that?
[05:59] <Squirm> the 777 will make everyone be able to read and right to it
[05:59] <Squirm> and execute off
[05:59] <Squirm> that should work
[06:00] <Kilos> oh you not telling me to put /dev/sdb1 in there where mountpoint is?
[06:05] <Kilos> chmod: cannot access `/mountpoint/here': No such file or directory
[06:05] <Kilos> ai
[06:18] <superfly> Kilos: my message meant to say, "hoekom slaap jy nog?!"
[06:18] <superfly> :-)
[06:18] <superfly> morning Squirm
[06:18] <Kilos> lol i guessed that much ty superfly 
[06:18] <Kilos> it just looked funny
[06:19] <Kilos> was actually up trying to get this other drive going
[06:20] <Kilos> Squirm, will that clone command do the mbr as well same time?
[06:21] <Kilos> thats where the corruption is
[06:22] <superfly> Kilos: dd applies to everything
[06:23] <Kilos> wonderful ty superfly 
[06:23] <Kilos> ty Squirm 
[06:28] <Kilos> if/when i have it going again i will post pics of the sata cable soldering direct to drive
[06:28] <superfly> morning henkj
[06:28] <Kilos> yo henkj 
[06:28] <henkj> morning superfly Kilos 
[06:29] <superfly> henkj: do you know about ScaleConf?
[06:29] <henkj> superfly: I attended last year
[06:29] <henkj> :)
[06:29] <superfly> going to be able to attend this year?
[06:30] <henkj> I assume so, since my company is a sponsor, and I'm working on server dev
[06:30] <superfly> ah right
[06:30] <superfly> Well, I'll be going, and my boss is one of the speakers :-)
[06:30] <henkj> but it hasn't been confirmed who's going yet
[06:30] <henkj> right, I remember seeing that
[06:32] <henkj> our speaker isn't on the list
[06:33] <magespawn> good day
[06:33] <superfly> morning magespawn
[06:34] <magespawn> Kilos: just reading the chatter, you trying to dd a healthy deive onto a sick one?
[06:35] <magespawn> s/deive/drive
[06:35] <Kilos> yessir magespawn , morning
[06:35] <magespawn> 0/
[06:35] <magespawn> be interesting to see if it works
[06:36] <Kilos> stupid thing said it was read only when i tried to use testdisk to install mbr
[06:36] <Kilos> would even boot from seatools cds
[06:37] <Kilos> very sick drive it is/was. heres hoping
[06:37] <Kilos> wouldnt boot
[06:37] <Kilos> seatools just said drive not seen
[06:38] <Kilos> gparted still doesnt see it
[06:38] <Kilos> grrr
[06:39] <superfly> Kilos: then it is probably too damaged to salvage, and if you do manage to get it working, you're only going to loose any data you try to store on it
[06:40] <Kilos> ah
[06:41] <Kilos> lemme reboot and see if this drive shows errors again
[06:41] <Kilos> wbb
[06:42] <magespawn> sounds like something if failing but not yet failed
[06:42] <magespawn> Update involved page http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved
[06:43] <inetpro> good morning
[06:44] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[06:44]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[06:48] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro!
[06:49] <inetpro> Maaz: dankie
[06:49] <Maaz> Groot plesier inetpro my vriend
[06:50] <inetpro> magespawn, superfly: I would suggest rather than linking to the agenda on that page you link to the ubuntu-za loco page where upcoming events and meetings are listed
[06:50] <inetpro> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za
[06:51] <inetpro> otherwise you will have to change that link to the agenda each month
[07:18] <jrgns> morning all
[07:18] <magespawn> this link inetpro http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/542/detail/
[07:19] <Vince-0> haai
[07:19] <magespawn> ?
[07:19] <magespawn> hey Vince-0
[07:20] <inetpro> magespawn: yes that link is only for the meeting on the 18th of March
[07:20] <magespawn> do the meeting not stay on the same link then?
[07:20] <inetpro> no
[07:20] <magespawn> i see 
[07:20] <magespawn> makes sense then brb
[07:27] <magespawn> how is this http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved
[07:30] <inetpro> magespawn: dankie
[07:30] <magespawn> cool
[07:34]  * staticrat waves hello
[07:52] <inetpro> staticrat: good morning
[07:53] <inetpro> Vince-0: wb
[07:53] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: wb
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> thanks! morning all :)
[08:03] <magespawn> hey ThatGraemeGuy
[08:19]  * Squirm yawns
[08:20] <inetpro> mage-test: it works
[08:20] <mage-test> indeed 
[08:20] <inetpro> :-)
[08:21] <mage-test> was just trying the Live Chat in IRC link on the website
[08:22] <inetpro> ahh
[08:22] <mage-test> ah okay so works like a normal chat client
[08:24] <Vince-0> we got that embedded freenode client on our LUG site too
[08:31] <magespawn> the embedded client is a good idea for new peeps
[08:32] <magespawn> inetpro: who hosts the website?
[08:44] <staticrat> morning inetpro 
[08:45] <inetpro> magespawn: I forget, but it's somewhere in Cape Town 
[08:49] <magespawn> maybe superfly knows who hosts it
[08:59] <magespawn> you know in canada they can get 175 Mbps up and down for 149 canadian or is R1199 rand per month all inclusive
[08:59] <magespawn> and 300gb usage
[09:00] <magespawn> kind of makes our 40Mpbs uncapped for R10700 look a bit backward
[10:19] <Kilos> hi jrgns Vince-0 charl_  
[10:22] <jrgns> hi Kilos
[10:27] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[10:27] <mazal> Middag oom Kilos 
[10:31] <Vince-0> Hi Kilos 
[10:37] <Squirm> oh look
[10:37] <Squirm> I have an Ubuntu question
[10:37] <Squirm> hmm
[10:37] <mazal> Shoot
[10:38] <Kilos> lol
[10:38] <Squirm> when a user logs onto a system for the first time, Ubuntu creates said persons home dir. This is all fine, but I don't want the other directories inside of said home dir. I understand Desktop, that should be fine. But I don't want Documents, Music, Pictures, etc. I have checked /etc/skel and they're not created there. I seem to remember finding it somewhere but for the life of me I can't remember where and can't find where on google either
[10:39] <Squirm> shoh, haven't typed a message like that in a while
[10:39] <mazal> Now that would ne handy to know
[10:40] <mazal> I use a desktop as a server and users only use their home folder for backups and have also wondered before if that creation of folders can be disabled
[10:43] <Kilos> i think on maverick i just deleted pics and documents there in places
[10:44] <Kilos> deleted/removed
[10:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs
[10:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> i imagine xdg-user-dirs is pulled in as a dependency of the base desktop install, so i'm not sure exactly what the implications would be of disabling creation of those folder
[10:47] <inetpro> interesting
[10:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> +s
[10:50] <inetpro> I guess you could try uninstalling xdg-user-dirs
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> or just sudo sed -i 's/enabled=True/enabled=False/' /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf
[10:53] <inetpro> yep, I was about to say look at /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf
[10:53] <Kilos> inetpro, you foned onderstepoort yet?
[10:53] <inetpro> Kilos: no man
[10:54] <inetpro> I forget personal stuffs when I reach the office
[10:55] <inetpro> and when I get home it takes me a couple of hours before I forget about work
[10:55] <Kilos> im sure if theyll do it it will be a coupla hundred not thousand
[11:08] <inetpro> Squirm: or you could just modify /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults
[11:13] <zeref> hi guys. i'm looking to repair a table in mysql. so my plan of action is to stop mysql, backup /var/lib/mysql, retart mysql, repair the table.
[11:13] <zeref> sound good?
[11:43] <Griffin_> Hi everyone
[11:44] <Griffin_> Anyone online
[11:49] <mazal> Lo Griffin_ 
[11:49] <Griffin_> I understand there is a get together the 3rd
[11:49] <Griffin_> Anyone here going?
[11:50] <mazal> Not me , dunno who here is going maybe
[11:51] <Griffin_> Ok, just asking. I actually don't live anywhere near the location but wanted to know if the last one was a huge success or just another getogether
[11:52] <Kilos> hi Griffin_ 
[11:52] <Griffin_> HI @Kilos
[11:53] <Kilos> you a tweeter?
[11:53] <Kilos> hehe
[11:53] <Kilos> we dont use @ on irc
[11:53] <Kilos> have you been here before Griffin_ ?
[11:54] <Kilos> my memory sucks
[11:57] <Griffin_> No first time. pulling nerd reage on the linux thing. Finally went over after years of MS
[11:59] <inetpro> Griffin_: welcome to #ubuntu-za
[11:59] <inetpro> Griffin_: are you referring to the Global Bug Jam in Cape Town?
[12:00] <inetpro> the event was organised by guys in here, feel free to stick around and have a chat with them
[12:02] <inetpro> using irc via the web interface can be frustrating though so I suggest you install and use one of the many irc clients available for the purpose
[12:02] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za Griffin_ you must visit more often now
[12:02] <Kilos> like daily
[12:02] <Kilos> xchat
[12:03] <Kilos> hehe
[12:03] <Griffin_> Yes talking about the event at CT. I've been running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS for about 4 months now and except for the nvidia drivers problem its replaced everyting that was MS related
[12:04] <mazal> Nice :)
[12:04] <Kilos> great
[12:05] <Griffin_> I run a IT company on the side and have been looking at converting a few small company's I maintain an was hoping to find a few people in the same position
[12:06] <Griffin_> Anyone here done something like that?
[12:06] <Vince-0> Griffin_, Hi! Are you doing using Linux in business ?
[12:06] <Kilos> some of the guys here have done evrything so hang around and see who pops up with what
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wish i had time to make a little extra money on the side
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2 kids and a wife tends to suck up all my time AND money.... so cruel :-/
[12:07] <Kilos> lol wait till they teenagers ThatGraemeGuy 
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> ugh i don't want to know :P
[12:08] <Kilos> haha
[12:10] <Griffin_> All my current clients are on MS but I am looking at moving over the ones that dont have MS bound applications
[12:11] <Kilos> good
[12:11] <Kilos> you new to linux?
[12:11] <Kilos> if so this is the best help channel available
[12:12] <Kilos> even got ubuntu developers here
[12:12] <Kilos> ohi tumbleweed 
[12:12] <tumbleweed> o/
[12:12] <Kilos> one of the other things with maaz was the google replies given twice
[12:13] <Kerbero> So what ThatGraemeGuy is trying to say is "don't marry and don't have kids"
[12:13] <Griffin_> Been playing around with it for some time but WIN8 and my Raspberry Pi finally convinced me
[12:14] <Kilos> lol
[12:14] <Griffin_> ThatGraemeGuy atleast has a life outside work :-D
[12:14] <Kerbero> Griffin_: everything that i do these days uses a RPi somewhere in it
[12:14] <Kerbero> Internship, M-research and currently overseas at another uni
[12:14] <Kerbero> all wanting to use the Pi
[12:15] <Kilos> you know how to use the terminal Griffin_ 
[12:15] <Kilos> and sudo and stuff
[12:15] <Griffin_> Kerbero: Sweet, I'm building a home automation system. And yes I have mastered the terminal
[12:15] <Kerbero> o, my friend is doing that too
[12:15] <Kerbero> with his pi
[12:16] <Kerbero> koiosify
[12:16] <Griffin_> sudo and terminal was the least of my worries. Been a command prompt guy for years. Did have a MASSIVE issue with getting the graphics card to work with 2HDMI outputs
[12:17] <Kilos> ah it didnt bring up additional drivers are available
[12:17] <Griffin_> Kerbero: No event that. Blank screen at install
[12:18] <Griffin_> Kerbero: Does your friend also do the electronics or does he buy a kit or integrate someting else?
[12:18] <Kilos> ai! i get that with 1.10 so went back to 12.04
[12:18] <Kerbero> build it himself
[12:18] <Kerbero> we are graduated electronic engineers
[12:19] <Squirm> .:Kilos:. i think on maverick i just deleted pics and documents there in places <<-- Kilos: Won't quite work with my setup
[12:19] <Griffin_> *12.04
[12:19] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I had a look at xdg-user-dirs. I think I just remembered I did disable it
[12:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm, and its still re-creating the dirs at login?
[12:20] <Kilos> oh
[12:20] <Kilos> Griffin_, 
[12:20] <Squirm> I mean, previously
[12:20] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: so I will try it now again
[12:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[12:20] <Kilos> ctrlalt+f2
[12:21] <Kilos> then type in sudo apt-get install gdm 
[12:21] <Kilos> its the lightdm thing that dont work good to start
[12:22] <Kilos> then it will ask which one you wanna use, choose gdm and you wont have blank screen
[12:26] <Kilos> uh oh
[12:30] <Kilos> wb Griffin_ is it fixed?
[12:30] <Griffin_> Kilos: Not at my home computer (at work) so I will try the next time I re-install
[12:30] <Kilos> ah ok
[12:31] <Griffin_> I am running a working 12.4 right now so don't want to mess with it too much since I have a few very importan projects running at this time
[12:32] <Kilos> sometimes lightdm works and works well.
[12:32] <Kilos> it depends on the machine i think
[12:33] <mazal> Graphics is still the one weak link in Ubuntu
[12:34] <Griffin_> Thats the thing I always had against linux. I have never encountered a MS installations that did not finish. No matter the hardware it always installed. But my frustration with WIN8 finally pushed me to make it work
[12:34] <mazal> Many users battle with graphics
[12:34] <inetpro> no
[12:34] <Griffin_> Is this becuause of the lack of support for open drivers from the OEM's or where does the problem come from
[12:35] <inetpro> you guys are either very lucky or have not worked on a lot of hardware with windows
[12:35] <inetpro> linux has more driver support for hardware than windows has
[12:35] <mazal> Griffin_, I dunno , but they defnitely need to put more effort into that part
[12:36] <Griffin_> I have doen installations of over a 1000 machines at some sites and no issues with MS. The only problem is if the drivers are not found it is slow as hell but does install
[12:36] <mazal> Apart from the graphics I agree with inetpro , I have installed Ubuntu on many different types of pc's with many different types of hardware. And I never had any major issues
[12:37] <mazal> Screen drivers is the only drivers I ever need to install. Never had to install any other driver
[12:37] <inetpro> obviously not everything is perfect but there is a woraround most of the time
[12:37] <inetpro> workaround as well
[12:38] <Kilos> Griffin_, what graphics card?
[12:38] <mazal> Oi gotta go
[12:38] <mazal> Enjoy the evening guys
[12:38] <Griffin_> I guess it also depends on experiance. With MS there are other places where you need to know certain commands but it just starts a little early with ubuntu installations
[12:38] <inetpro> mazal: enjoy the weekend
[12:38] <Kilos> you can type additional in the dash and it will show additional drivers you can get
[12:38] <Kilos> toods mazal 
[12:39] <Kilos> hehe ubuntu loves working with the terminal
[12:40] <Kilos> important commands to remember on any new install is 
[12:41] <Kilos> sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:41] <Griffin_> Those I got and made note of at the beginning. So other that support what do you guys do for a living?
[12:42] <Kilos> they all do IT work
[12:42] <Kilos> i rest
[12:42] <Kilos> some networking guys and other sysadmins etc
[12:43] <tonberry352_> And a few engineers
[12:43] <Griffin_> Haha, that was the assumption
[12:43] <Griffin_> tonberry352_: engineers mmm... what kind? O and please dont say the good kind
[12:43] <Kilos> haha
[12:43] <tonberry352_> EE
[12:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> <-sysadmin
[12:45] <Griffin_> Sweet, I’m a bobby electronic enthusiast, programmer and all round IT sys admin. Appears I am in the right place
[12:47] <Kilos> yip
[12:48] <Kilos> all you need is to install xchat then you dont have to use a browser to get here
[12:49] <Griffin_> Unfortunately, this is my work PC so wil do that on my Ubuntu box.
[12:50] <Kilos> we are here nights too
[12:50] <Kilos> some night owls live here
[12:51] <Griffin_> Kilos: Can I assume your one?
[12:51] <Kilos> nope Griffin_ im a ballie that goes to bed early
[12:51] <Kilos> hehe
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> my work pc is an ubuntu box, woop woop!
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> is a laptop a box? hrmmm
[12:52] <Griffin_> Bed.. that thing your read about and hear other people speak about in the afternoons. If only
[12:52] <Kilos> lol
[12:52] <Kilos> youll get there one day
[12:53] <Griffin_> My first manager use to say you can sleep when your dead
[12:53] <Kilos> beem there done that
[12:54] <Kilos> pulled a windows trick
[12:54] <Kilos> reboot to complete the install
[12:56] <Griffin_> I am enjoying the last few day I have admin right to my own pc. Working on a project for a big company international company where we will be rolling out a standard win7 image across all computers. My sites have about 680 to be done in 6weeks
[12:56] <Kilos> whew
[12:57] <Griffin_> Then it's dual boot OS or suffer the regtrictions of the overseas sys admins
[12:58] <Griffin_> *restrictions
[12:58] <Kilos> ai!
[12:58] <Kilos> be good to convert them all to ubuntu
[12:59] <Kilos> less gray hairs and live longer
[13:00] <Griffin_> If only it was our decision but that’s the corporate world for you!
[13:00] <Kilos> yeah
[13:01] <Griffin_> But now to my big question regarding smaller companies. Does linux have a replacement for AD or not really?
[13:01] <Squirm> thanks ThatGraemeGuy, seems good
[13:02] <Kilos> Maaz, google linus alternative for AD
[13:02] <Maaz> Kilos: "Active Directory Alternative | Linux.com" http://www.linux.com/community/forums/system-management/active-directory-alternative/limit/20/offset/0 :: "linux - What Are Some Good Open Source Alternatives to Active ..." http://serverfault.com/questions/13419/what-are-some-good-open-source-alternatives-to-active-directory :: "Best FOSS Active Directory
[13:02] <Maaz> Alternative? - Slashdot" http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/01/17/2255247/best-foss-active-director…
[13:02] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: a box holds things? laptop holds things
[13:02] <Squirm> it's just a thin box
[13:02] <Squirm> ldap
[13:02] <Squirm> @ Griffin_
[13:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> Griffin_, you can get centralised auth, group permissions and that sort of thing, but the biggest thing you won't get is a group policy equivalent
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> Squirm: my lapbox :)
[13:03] <Griffin_> I can Google too. Wanted to know if there is anyone that actively uses this in a AD like environment
[13:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> Griffin_, actually scratch that come to think of it, you can actually get something close to group policy with puppet
[13:07] <Griffin_> puppet, will have a look at that. I work with allot of schools as well and I am looking at something that can replicate the control I have with AD and GPO's over the system
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> puppet is a configuration management solution. it lets you describe the configuration in its own language and then translates that into native actions on the target system
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> so for example you might have something like 'server1 must have the apache2 package installed', and on an ubuntu box that would result in it running 'apt-get install apache2', but on a redhat box it would do 'rpm bla bla something'
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> (i don't know redhat)
[13:11] <Kilos> thats Squirm s department
[13:11] <Griffin_> Just flipped trough a tut on one of the sites and gathered that much. Will have a in depth look later on
[13:13] <Griffin_> Well will chat a little later. I am packing up to go home. Then some programming but will install xchat and see everyone later on
[13:14] <Kilos> later Griffin_ 
[13:15] <Kilos> sigh
[13:15] <Kilos> why dont we get visitors that know less than me
[13:15]  * Kilos cries
[13:22] <Squirm> because you're smart enough to get onto irc
[13:23] <Kilos> no no the fly told me how
[13:24] <Squirm> and I don't know that much :/
[13:24] <Squirm> I'm just glad I can now follow a lot of conversations
[13:24] <Squirm> not be able to do it, least I have some form of understanding.
[13:25]  * Squirm pokes Symmetria
[13:25] <Squirm> he was no help a while back, cause he spoke gibberish :P
[13:25] <Kilos> lol
[13:26] <Kilos> everyone spoke gibberish when i first came here
[13:27] <Kilos> you even taught me how to get mxit on pidgin
[13:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> is mxit still a thing? :o
[13:48] <Kilos> i use it all the time and most of the family too
[13:49] <Kilos> but lotsa peeps gone whatsapp now
[13:49] <Kilos> and bbm
[13:49] <tonberry352_> we are no longer their target market
[13:49] <Kilos> mxit is more stable than other ims
[13:49] <Kilos> when your browser wont even connect mxit does
[14:17] <inetpro> Kilos: but you can still not mxit from PC to mobile, can you?
[14:17] <inetpro> PC to mobile or vice versa 
[14:18] <Kilos> yessir
[14:18] <Kilos> you even get mxitevo that doesnt need to register with a fone first
[14:19] <inetpro> interesting
[14:19] <Kilos> i can see mxit from my cell here on the pc inetpro 
[14:19] <Kilos> mxit rocks
[14:20] <Kilos> tara uses mxitevo on her pc
[14:20] <Kilos> and boet did in saudi
[14:20] <Kilos> and she has it on her cell as well
[14:23] <inetpro> hmm
[14:23]  * inetpro still not convinced
[14:24] <inetpro> not sure that I need yet another IM in my life
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> mxit is over, my mom is ancient and even she's using whatsapp now
[14:33] <tonberry352_> most of africa does not own a smartphone
[14:37] <magespawn> afternnoon all
[14:37] <Kilos> and the nice thing about mxit is peeps get messages you leave when they come online
[14:37] <Kilos> no need to tell maaz
[14:38] <Kilos> i had mxit on my razr v3
[14:38] <Kilos> you dont need a smartfone
[14:38] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[14:39] <Kilos> whatsapp seems more popular but cant add it to pidgin so to me it sucks
[14:40] <Kilos> and all the android stuff i tried to get it on here
[14:40] <Kilos> whew
[14:40] <magespawn> whatsapp is actually starting to charge
[14:41] <Kilos> oh ya mxit is free as in beer
[14:41] <Kilos> hehe
[14:48] <Vince-0> Noo! Don't use proprietary protocols on closed networks
[14:54] <magespawn> nice to see new peeps hey Kilos
[14:55] <Kilos> yeah
[14:55] <Kilos> and another one lost to ms
[14:55] <Kilos> thats the best part
[14:57] <magespawn> home time later all
[15:33] <Kilos> hey griffin_ you a winsucks expert ?
[15:35] <griffin_> Define winsucks?
[15:35] <Kilos> windows
[15:35] <griffin_> O sorry had it as winshits., but yea I think I know my way around
[15:35] <Kilos> i got a channel where we help friends from here only with wondows probs
[15:36] <griffin_> Whats the problem?
[15:36] <Kilos> we dont do windows help here so try help them there
[15:36] <Kilos> luckily it isnt often
[15:36] <griffin_> O ok. What is the channel name?
[15:36] <Kilos> np now but would be nice to have a backup when we get tuck
[15:37] <Kilos> ##kilos
[15:37] <griffin_> A original
[15:37] <Kilos> stuck as well
[15:37] <griffin_> Well I'm available when online 
[15:38] <Kilos> sometimes guys get funny probs like last night was outlook passwords missing or something
[15:38] <Kilos> ty sir
[15:38] <Squirm> staff vs. prefects water polo
[15:38] <Squirm> I'm dead :/
[15:38] <Kilos> lol who won
[15:38] <griffin_> Missing or just asking for the account details repeatedly ?
[15:38] <Squirm> prefects :/
[15:39] <Squirm> like 8-4
[15:39] <Kilos> yeah asking because of moving on servers or something
[15:39] <Kilos> but they got around it
[15:39] <Kilos> shame Squirm hang head
[15:40] <griffin_> Yea I know @lantic has that problem allot when the servers are down. You keep getting the popup in outlook and the users keep filling in Sh1t
[15:40] <Kilos> lol
[15:40] <griffin_> Kilos: do you use steam on Ubuntu or not yet?
[15:41] <Squirm> griffin_: it's not great :/
[15:41] <Kilos> nope i dont have data to play games
[15:41] <Kilos> some of the guys do though
[15:41] <griffin_> I know... cannot remember my account name and it keeps hanging when trying to retrieve it
[15:41] <Squirm> not many games for it yet. but it will come, seeing as it is the steam engine
[15:42] <Kilos> griffin_, open a new one
[15:42] <griffin_> Allot of my fav games are on steam. Also a big reason I ported because I knew it was comming
[15:42] <griffin_> Virtualbox>win7>steam>retrieve
[15:43] <Kilos> or they must have a forum or email addy you can query at
[15:43] <Kilos> lol you got 7 inna box?
[15:43] <Squirm> griffin_: you should be able to go through the steps on their website
[15:43] <Kilos> my son has to do that too to do work
[15:43] <griffin_> Yep. Some of the CAD software does not run so nice on Ubuntu
[15:44] <Kilos> when you have some more experience you can try kubuntu as well
[15:44] <Squirm> supper time. I hope this cool weather stays for tomorrow
[15:44] <Squirm> then it must bake
[15:45] <Kilos> ubuntu has many flavours
[15:45] <griffin_> Just had a look at some images and it looks nice but I dont like the KDE interface that much
[15:46] <Kilos> it takes some getting used to but i find it does installing apps faster
[15:47] <Kilos> the fly and pro can tell you where else its better
[15:47] <Kilos> oh we got python experts here too
[15:47] <griffin_> I like the unity interface because the side bar is usually where I put my windows one anyways.
[15:47] <griffin_> Anyone doing java and php?
[15:48] <Kilos> lol
[15:48] <Kilos> creature of habit
[15:48] <Kilos> ya nuvolari does java
[15:48] <Kilos> and someone else
[15:48] <griffin_> I my G0d just noticed how I sounded like a noob saying that
[15:49] <Kilos> php dont seem very popular here
[15:49] <Kilos> but ThatGraemeGuy  does it
[15:50] <griffin_> From what I remember from the start linux and python go hand in hand
[15:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> i do what now?
[15:51] <griffin_> ThatGraemeGuy: <-PHP
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh, no i don't do drugs
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-!
[15:52] <griffin_> Haha java then?
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm a sysadmin
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> i did some php YEARS ago but that would be worthless nowadays
[15:52] <griffin_> O then you do everything right?
[15:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> also Tcl way back
[15:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[15:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> bash & Python is what i do mostly
[15:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> or vbscript/powershell if i'm doing windowsy things
[15:54] <griffin_> Do you have a workaround for getting past Applocker in win7 or not
[15:54] <Kilos> oh sorry ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i ... uh
[15:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't know what that is
[15:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm primarily an ubuntu guy for the past 4 years almost, so my windows is pretty rusty
[15:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> particularly desktop-side windows stuffs
[15:55] <griffin_> It's a issue we will be having in the coming weeks because the higher up sys admins have locked down all exe's using it. It sucks balls
[15:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> i left my laptop at home the other day and i was using a spare with win7, spent an hour trying to get my external display to work at native resolution
[15:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> gave up, worked with 1 screen for the day
[15:57] <griffin_> External displays.... HDMI, s-video... why are these things still a issue 10 years down the line
[15:58] <griffin_> Point, click, select and apply... what makes that so difficult
[15:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[16:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok it's time to abandon ship, yay!
[16:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> later all
[16:01] <griffin_> Cheerz
[16:36] <Kilos> yo drussell hows things
[16:36] <Kilos> ?
[16:43] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[16:43] <Cantide> hey Kilos 
[16:43] <Cantide> i am going to be CanStudy tonight :p
[16:43] <Cantide> hopefully for the last time :)
[16:44] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <Kilos> studying never stops
[16:44] <Kilos> one is always learning
[16:45] <Cantide> yeah
[16:46] <Cantide> but at least one doesn't have to stay up until midnight several days in a row to study
[16:46] <Cantide> if one is studying casually that is
[16:47] <Kilos> yeah
[16:48] <Kilos> but also if you dont try cramp just before exams you also dont need to stay up till midnight
[16:49]  * Cantide whistles
[16:49] <Cantide> i no longer have exams
[16:49] <Cantide> just one final assignment
[16:49] <Cantide> but 4 essay questions of 5 pages each is a bit much...
[16:52] <Kilos> just buckle down and do it man. its not so bad
[16:52] <Cantide> yeah
[16:52] <Cantide> i've done 3 of them
[16:52] <Cantide> 1 left
[16:52] <Cantide> i've prepared it already
[16:52] <Kilos> see
[16:52] <Cantide> just need to write it now
[16:53] <Cantide> going to start at 7
[16:53] <Cantide> and hopefully finish by 10..
[16:53] <Cantide> else it's going to be a long, long night
[16:58] <Kilos> how long is it gonna take to finish it?
[16:59] <Kilos> i go eat
[16:59] <Kilos> wbb
[17:00] <Cantide> i don't know... 3 hours?
[17:00]  * Cantide shrugs
[17:00] <Cantide> it's on T.S. Eliot... might take longer..
[17:11] <magespawn> evening all
[17:12] <Cantide> hi~
[17:14] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:15] <magespawn> hey CanStudy Kilos 
[17:15] <CanStudy> '-'/
[17:22] <Kilos> hey magespawn you must take a look at spfdisk on ubcd 
[17:22] <magespawn> will do Kilos
[17:23] <Kilos> quite a potent tool
[17:25] <magespawn> bbl network playing around here
[17:25] <Kilos> ok
[17:48] <Squirm> almost bed time
[18:43] <Vince-0> yoh the Internet strikes again: http://memeburn.com/2013/02/brace-yourselves-here-comes-the-darth-pistorius-meme/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+memeburncom+%28memeburn%29
[18:44] <Kilos> hey ThatGraemeGuy  nice to see you here at night as well now
[18:44] <Kilos> last night too
[18:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'ello :)
[18:45] <Kilos> sup Vince-0 
[18:45] <Vince-0> Ag same dizl
[18:45] <Kilos> ah well thats life hey
[18:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> last night i had intentions of sitting through some units of a udacity course i started
[18:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> never happened though
[18:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> tonight i had the same idea but i just don't feel like it
[18:46] <Kilos> lol
[18:47] <Kilos> near bed time for ballies too
[18:47] <Kilos> old married fathers
[18:47] <Kilos> hehe
[18:47] <Vince-0> Ya dis ook laat vir klien kinders
[18:47]  * Symmetria dances around
[18:47] <Symmetria> as a private contractor
[18:47] <Symmetria> today was the most awesome day a guy like me can have
[18:47] <Symmetria> one of those days where EVERYTHING falls into place
[18:47] <Vince-0> ThatGraemeGuy, what course?
[18:48] <Vince-0> Symmetria, thats naas
[18:48] <Symmetria> I closed on 2 of the largest contracts I could ever have wished for today
[18:48]  * Symmetria can now go and buy the car he wants ;p
[18:48] <Symmetria> and pay for it in cash ;p
[18:48] <Kilos> hey Symmetria nice
[18:49] <Kilos> now help fanie with the host thing
[18:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> Vince-0, https://www.udacity.com/course/cs212
[18:55] <Vince-0> Nice!
[18:59]  * Symmetria is ordering his new car tomorrow ;p
[18:59] <Vince-0> yoh luckeee
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> gtg, baby having a rough night
[19:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> night all!
[19:23] <inetpro> good evening
[19:30] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[19:30] <Kilos> you just in time to say night
[19:30] <inetpro> Kilos: you still awake at this point?
[19:30] <Kilos> only just
[19:30] <inetpro> why?
[19:30] <Kilos> sleep tight all of you
[19:30] <Kilos> well
[19:30] <Kilos> why not?
[19:30] <inetpro> ok
[19:30] <Kilos> lol
[19:30] <inetpro> well, good night Kilos
[19:31] <Kilos> ok then sleep tight
[19:32] <smile4ever> slaapwel :)
[19:47] <inetpro> well done can tide
[19:48] <Cantide> thanks, inet pro
[19:48] <Cantide> I submitted my 10 page assignment
[19:48] <Cantide> let's hope i get quick feedback
[20:19] <griffin_> Anyone still awake?
[20:20] <Vince-0> yar kinda
[20:20] <griffin_> Haha late nie hey?
[20:20] <griffin_> *nite
[20:24] <Vince-0> negative, usually awake until midnight
[20:24] <Vince-0> trying to figure out some silly cakePHP ap
[20:24] <griffin_> Work?
[20:24] <Vince-0> just messin'
[20:24] <griffin_> O ok. Work mostly keeps me up till the wee hours of the mornin
[20:25] <Vince-0> Noo thats terrible - do you work for yourself?
[20:25] <griffin_> For myself, for my company for everyone else also it seems some times
[20:26] <Vince-0> ag no man. life is too short
[20:26] <griffin_> Well I have to say the after 5 work is usually the most fun. Then I get to do what I really like
[20:27] <Vince-0> true
[20:27] <griffin_> So what are you messing with/
[20:27] <Vince-0> opencdrrate project - to do billing calculations on VoIP switches
[20:28] <Vince-0> seems most of these types of projects are poorly documented
[20:28] <Vince-0> and supported
[20:29] <griffin_> Great ideas but documentation is always lacking. I do programming as well and can tell you I would sell my sole to avoid it
[20:30] <griffin_> What voip switches are you using?
[20:30] <Vince-0> Asterisk and Freeswitch
[20:32] <griffin_> The company I work for uses cisco voice gateways. All closed source stuff and managed by a team in Texas
[20:32] <Vince-0> oow that stuff is world class - not sure about the development interfaces though.
[20:33] <griffin_> All linux based which is kinda nice but the only time we get to do with it is when we replace a server or upgrade and even then its just insert CD and press enter
[20:34] <Vince-0> do you know what kind of billing platform that plugs into?
[20:35] <griffin_> Its cisco's custom call manager. Ironically called call manager
[20:35] <Vince-0> oh I've seen those
[20:37] <griffin_> We use to use 3cx voip system tied into a few analog gateways which was very nice. But I never had access to the call manager so dont know what the plug was they used
[20:38] <griffin_> So are you working for a company doing voip or just laerning
[20:38] <griffin_> *learning
[20:40] <Vince-0> both
[20:41] <Vince-0> not exactly programming though
[20:41] <Vince-0> especially not cakephp
[20:42] <griffin_> Was never my department as well. Just mainteined the hardware and setup the initial software 
[20:46] <Vince-0> problem is, these things tend to be a little to close to the core of a company to outsource
[20:46] <Vince-0> darned open projects - even the commercial support avenue is an issue
[20:47] <superfly> Vince-0: do yourself a favour and forget PHP and learn Python
[20:47] <griffin_> Except when you are a international corporate company.  Then you outsource everything
[20:47] <Vince-0> superfly, ! hell yea - I'm doing python. This darned project is in php 
[20:48] <superfly> griffin_: you don't perhaps work in Century City?
[20:49] <griffin_> superfly: No mining way out in the middle of nowhere
[20:49] <superfly> griffin_: ah, OK... I know a company in Century City that uses Cisco stuff, sounds familiar to you
[20:51] <superfly> griffin_: you wanted to know what people in here do? I'm a firmware developer
[20:51] <griffin_> No sorry. Big mining company. Gone over to Cisco VOIP for over 2 years now
[20:51] <Vince-0> superfly, firmware! what languages / stuff
[20:52] <superfly> Vince-0: C++, C and Assembler
[20:52] <superfly> Vince-0: though we have a server which is written in Python
[20:53] <Vince-0> python is the ideal language I think - system procedures, objects and web. I studied Java to some extent
[20:53] <superfly> yeah, we're investigating some new hardware which runs embedded Linux, which we're hoping to be able to run Python apps on
[20:54] <superfly> and then drop the C++ for Python
[20:54] <superfly> well, I gotta head to bed, more C to handle tomorrow
[20:54] <Vince-0> cya
[20:55] <griffin_> Cheerz
[20:57] <griffin_> Well its off to be for me as well. Vince I hope you get done what your looking to do
[20:59] <Vince-0> Thanks! griffin_ cya