[05:27] Good morning all [05:32] morning barrydk [05:32] Maaz: tell Kilos hoekom slap just night?! :-P [05:32] superfly: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode [05:40] lol hiya superfly and others [05:40] funny message [05:43] Kilos: yeah, autocorrect fail [05:43] lol [05:53] morning [05:54] hi sq [05:54] ai [05:54] tab [05:54] Squirm, [05:54] the little key on the left of your keyboard :) [05:54] it says Tab [05:54] i need that dd command you use please to clone one drive to another [05:55] dd if=/path/to/the/drive/you/want/to/clone of=/path/to/the/other/drive bs=1M [05:55] this drive i thought i fixed shows structure ok with testdisk but says read only [05:55] grrr [05:55] sjoe [05:56] make sure the `if` is the one you want to KEEP [05:56] dd if=/dev/sda of of=/dev/sdb [05:57] is that it? [05:57] oh and the end bit [05:57] dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1M [05:57] ty Squirm [05:57] so /dev/sda is the one you want to keep? [05:57] cause you will lose everything on /dev/sdb [05:58] i had a saved file on how to mount it manually and chmod to it but cant open the file this morning for some weird reason [05:58] mount /dev/sdb1 /mountpoint/here [05:59] chmod 777 /mountpoint/here [05:59] just like that? [05:59] the 777 will make everyone be able to read and right to it [05:59] and execute off [05:59] that should work [06:00] oh you not telling me to put /dev/sdb1 in there where mountpoint is? [06:05] chmod: cannot access `/mountpoint/here': No such file or directory [06:05] ai [06:18] Kilos: my message meant to say, "hoekom slaap jy nog?!" [06:18] :-) [06:18] morning Squirm [06:18] lol i guessed that much ty superfly [06:18] it just looked funny [06:19] was actually up trying to get this other drive going [06:20] Squirm, will that clone command do the mbr as well same time? [06:21] thats where the corruption is [06:22] Kilos: dd applies to everything [06:23] wonderful ty superfly [06:23] ty Squirm [06:28] if/when i have it going again i will post pics of the sata cable soldering direct to drive [06:28] morning henkj [06:28] yo henkj [06:28] morning superfly Kilos [06:29] henkj: do you know about ScaleConf? [06:29] superfly: I attended last year [06:29] :) [06:29] going to be able to attend this year? [06:30] I assume so, since my company is a sponsor, and I'm working on server dev [06:30] ah right [06:30] Well, I'll be going, and my boss is one of the speakers :-) [06:30] but it hasn't been confirmed who's going yet [06:30] right, I remember seeing that [06:32] our speaker isn't on the list [06:33] good day [06:33] morning magespawn [06:34] Kilos: just reading the chatter, you trying to dd a healthy deive onto a sick one? [06:35] s/deive/drive [06:35] yessir magespawn , morning [06:35] 0/ [06:35] be interesting to see if it works [06:36] stupid thing said it was read only when i tried to use testdisk to install mbr [06:36] would even boot from seatools cds [06:37] very sick drive it is/was. heres hoping [06:37] wouldnt boot [06:37] seatools just said drive not seen [06:38] gparted still doesnt see it [06:38] grrr [06:39] Kilos: then it is probably too damaged to salvage, and if you do manage to get it working, you're only going to loose any data you try to store on it [06:40] ah [06:41] lemme reboot and see if this drive shows errors again [06:41] wbb [06:42] sounds like something if failing but not yet failed [06:42] Update involved page http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved [06:43] good morning [06:44] Maaz: coffee on [06:44] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [06:48] Coffee's ready for inetpro! [06:49] Maaz: dankie [06:49] Groot plesier inetpro my vriend [06:50] magespawn, superfly: I would suggest rather than linking to the agenda on that page you link to the ubuntu-za loco page where upcoming events and meetings are listed [06:50] http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za [06:51] otherwise you will have to change that link to the agenda each month [07:18] morning all [07:18] this link inetpro http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/542/detail/ [07:19] haai [07:19] ? [07:19] hey Vince-0 [07:20] magespawn: yes that link is only for the meeting on the 18th of March [07:20] do the meeting not stay on the same link then? [07:20] no [07:20] i see [07:20] makes sense then brb [07:27] how is this http://ubuntu-za.org/get-involved [07:30] magespawn: dankie [07:30] cool [07:34] * staticrat waves hello [07:52] staticrat: good morning [07:53] Vince-0: wb [07:53] ThatGraemeGuy: wb [08:01] thanks! morning all :) [08:03] hey ThatGraemeGuy [08:19] * Squirm yawns [08:20] mage-test: it works [08:20] indeed [08:20] :-) [08:21] was just trying the Live Chat in IRC link on the website [08:22] ahh [08:22] ah okay so works like a normal chat client [08:24] we got that embedded freenode client on our LUG site too [08:31] the embedded client is a good idea for new peeps [08:32] inetpro: who hosts the website? [08:44] morning inetpro [08:45] magespawn: I forget, but it's somewhere in Cape Town [08:49] maybe superfly knows who hosts it [08:59] you know in canada they can get 175 Mbps up and down for 149 canadian or is R1199 rand per month all inclusive [08:59] and 300gb usage [09:00] kind of makes our 40Mpbs uncapped for R10700 look a bit backward [10:19] hi jrgns Vince-0 charl_ [10:22] hi Kilos [10:27] hi mazal [10:27] Middag oom Kilos [10:31] Hi Kilos [10:37] oh look [10:37] I have an Ubuntu question [10:37] hmm [10:37] Shoot [10:38] lol [10:38] when a user logs onto a system for the first time, Ubuntu creates said persons home dir. This is all fine, but I don't want the other directories inside of said home dir. I understand Desktop, that should be fine. But I don't want Documents, Music, Pictures, etc. I have checked /etc/skel and they're not created there. I seem to remember finding it somewhere but for the life of me I can't remember where and can't find where on google either [10:39] shoh, haven't typed a message like that in a while [10:39] Now that would ne handy to know [10:40] I use a desktop as a server and users only use their home folder for backups and have also wondered before if that creation of folders can be disabled [10:43] i think on maverick i just deleted pics and documents there in places [10:44] deleted/removed [10:45] http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs [10:47] i imagine xdg-user-dirs is pulled in as a dependency of the base desktop install, so i'm not sure exactly what the implications would be of disabling creation of those folder [10:47] interesting [10:47] +s [10:50] I guess you could try uninstalling xdg-user-dirs [10:51] or just sudo sed -i 's/enabled=True/enabled=False/' /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf [10:53] yep, I was about to say look at /etc/xdg/user-dirs.conf [10:53] inetpro, you foned onderstepoort yet? [10:53] Kilos: no man [10:54] I forget personal stuffs when I reach the office [10:55] and when I get home it takes me a couple of hours before I forget about work [10:55] im sure if theyll do it it will be a coupla hundred not thousand [11:08] Squirm: or you could just modify /etc/xdg/user-dirs.defaults [11:13] hi guys. i'm looking to repair a table in mysql. so my plan of action is to stop mysql, backup /var/lib/mysql, retart mysql, repair the table. [11:13] sound good? [11:43] Hi everyone [11:44] Anyone online [11:49] Lo Griffin_ [11:49] I understand there is a get together the 3rd [11:49] Anyone here going? [11:50] Not me , dunno who here is going maybe [11:51] Ok, just asking. I actually don't live anywhere near the location but wanted to know if the last one was a huge success or just another getogether [11:52] hi Griffin_ [11:52] HI @Kilos [11:53] you a tweeter? [11:53] hehe [11:53] we dont use @ on irc [11:53] have you been here before Griffin_ ? [11:54] my memory sucks [11:57] No first time. pulling nerd reage on the linux thing. Finally went over after years of MS [11:59] Griffin_: welcome to #ubuntu-za [11:59] Griffin_: are you referring to the Global Bug Jam in Cape Town? [12:00] the event was organised by guys in here, feel free to stick around and have a chat with them [12:02] using irc via the web interface can be frustrating though so I suggest you install and use one of the many irc clients available for the purpose [12:02] welcome to ubuntu-za Griffin_ you must visit more often now [12:02] like daily [12:02] xchat [12:03] hehe [12:03] Yes talking about the event at CT. I've been running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS for about 4 months now and except for the nvidia drivers problem its replaced everyting that was MS related [12:04] Nice :) [12:04] great [12:05] I run a IT company on the side and have been looking at converting a few small company's I maintain an was hoping to find a few people in the same position [12:06] Anyone here done something like that? [12:06] Griffin_, Hi! Are you doing using Linux in business ? [12:06] some of the guys here have done evrything so hang around and see who pops up with what [12:07] i wish i had time to make a little extra money on the side [12:07] 2 kids and a wife tends to suck up all my time AND money.... so cruel :-/ [12:07] lol wait till they teenagers ThatGraemeGuy [12:08] ugh i don't want to know :P [12:08] haha [12:10] All my current clients are on MS but I am looking at moving over the ones that dont have MS bound applications [12:11] good [12:11] you new to linux? [12:11] if so this is the best help channel available [12:12] even got ubuntu developers here [12:12] ohi tumbleweed [12:12] o/ [12:12] one of the other things with maaz was the google replies given twice [12:13] So what ThatGraemeGuy is trying to say is "don't marry and don't have kids" [12:13] Been playing around with it for some time but WIN8 and my Raspberry Pi finally convinced me [12:14] lol [12:14] ThatGraemeGuy atleast has a life outside work :-D [12:14] Griffin_: everything that i do these days uses a RPi somewhere in it [12:14] Internship, M-research and currently overseas at another uni [12:14] all wanting to use the Pi [12:15] you know how to use the terminal Griffin_ [12:15] and sudo and stuff [12:15] Kerbero: Sweet, I'm building a home automation system. And yes I have mastered the terminal [12:15] o, my friend is doing that too [12:15] with his pi [12:16] koiosify [12:16] sudo and terminal was the least of my worries. Been a command prompt guy for years. Did have a MASSIVE issue with getting the graphics card to work with 2HDMI outputs [12:17] ah it didnt bring up additional drivers are available [12:17] Kerbero: No event that. Blank screen at install [12:18] Kerbero: Does your friend also do the electronics or does he buy a kit or integrate someting else? [12:18] ai! i get that with 1.10 so went back to 12.04 [12:18] build it himself [12:18] we are graduated electronic engineers [12:19] .:Kilos:. i think on maverick i just deleted pics and documents there in places <<-- Kilos: Won't quite work with my setup [12:19] *12.04 [12:19] ThatGraemeGuy: I had a look at xdg-user-dirs. I think I just remembered I did disable it [12:20] Squirm, and its still re-creating the dirs at login? [12:20] oh [12:20] Griffin_, [12:20] I mean, previously [12:20] ThatGraemeGuy: so I will try it now again [12:20] ah ok [12:20] ctrlalt+f2 [12:21] then type in sudo apt-get install gdm [12:21] its the lightdm thing that dont work good to start [12:22] then it will ask which one you wanna use, choose gdm and you wont have blank screen [12:26] uh oh [12:30] wb Griffin_ is it fixed? [12:30] Kilos: Not at my home computer (at work) so I will try the next time I re-install [12:30] ah ok [12:31] I am running a working 12.4 right now so don't want to mess with it too much since I have a few very importan projects running at this time [12:32] sometimes lightdm works and works well. [12:32] it depends on the machine i think [12:33] Graphics is still the one weak link in Ubuntu [12:34] Thats the thing I always had against linux. I have never encountered a MS installations that did not finish. No matter the hardware it always installed. But my frustration with WIN8 finally pushed me to make it work [12:34] Many users battle with graphics [12:34] no [12:34] Is this becuause of the lack of support for open drivers from the OEM's or where does the problem come from [12:35] you guys are either very lucky or have not worked on a lot of hardware with windows [12:35] linux has more driver support for hardware than windows has [12:35] Griffin_, I dunno , but they defnitely need to put more effort into that part [12:36] I have doen installations of over a 1000 machines at some sites and no issues with MS. The only problem is if the drivers are not found it is slow as hell but does install [12:36] Apart from the graphics I agree with inetpro , I have installed Ubuntu on many different types of pc's with many different types of hardware. And I never had any major issues [12:37] Screen drivers is the only drivers I ever need to install. Never had to install any other driver [12:37] obviously not everything is perfect but there is a woraround most of the time [12:37] workaround as well [12:38] Griffin_, what graphics card? [12:38] Oi gotta go [12:38] Enjoy the evening guys [12:38] I guess it also depends on experiance. With MS there are other places where you need to know certain commands but it just starts a little early with ubuntu installations [12:38] mazal: enjoy the weekend [12:38] you can type additional in the dash and it will show additional drivers you can get [12:38] toods mazal [12:39] hehe ubuntu loves working with the terminal [12:40] important commands to remember on any new install is [12:41] sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [12:41] Those I got and made note of at the beginning. So other that support what do you guys do for a living? [12:42] they all do IT work [12:42] i rest [12:42] some networking guys and other sysadmins etc [12:43] And a few engineers [12:43] Haha, that was the assumption [12:43] tonberry352_: engineers mmm... what kind? O and please dont say the good kind [12:43] haha [12:43] EE [12:45] <-sysadmin [12:45] Sweet, I’m a bobby electronic enthusiast, programmer and all round IT sys admin. Appears I am in the right place [12:47] yip [12:48] all you need is to install xchat then you dont have to use a browser to get here [12:49] Unfortunately, this is my work PC so wil do that on my Ubuntu box. [12:50] we are here nights too [12:50] some night owls live here [12:51] Kilos: Can I assume your one? [12:51] nope Griffin_ im a ballie that goes to bed early [12:51] hehe [12:52] my work pc is an ubuntu box, woop woop! [12:52] is a laptop a box? hrmmm [12:52] Bed.. that thing your read about and hear other people speak about in the afternoons. If only [12:52] lol [12:52] youll get there one day [12:53] My first manager use to say you can sleep when your dead [12:53] beem there done that [12:54] pulled a windows trick [12:54] reboot to complete the install [12:56] I am enjoying the last few day I have admin right to my own pc. Working on a project for a big company international company where we will be rolling out a standard win7 image across all computers. My sites have about 680 to be done in 6weeks [12:56] whew [12:57] Then it's dual boot OS or suffer the regtrictions of the overseas sys admins [12:58] *restrictions [12:58] ai! [12:58] be good to convert them all to ubuntu [12:59] less gray hairs and live longer [13:00] If only it was our decision but that’s the corporate world for you! [13:00] yeah [13:01] But now to my big question regarding smaller companies. Does linux have a replacement for AD or not really? [13:01] thanks ThatGraemeGuy, seems good [13:02] Maaz, google linus alternative for AD [13:02] Kilos: "Active Directory Alternative | Linux.com" http://www.linux.com/community/forums/system-management/active-directory-alternative/limit/20/offset/0 :: "linux - What Are Some Good Open Source Alternatives to Active ..." http://serverfault.com/questions/13419/what-are-some-good-open-source-alternatives-to-active-directory :: "Best FOSS Active Directory [13:02] Alternative? - Slashdot" http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/01/17/2255247/best-foss-active-director… [13:02] ThatGraemeGuy: a box holds things? laptop holds things [13:02] it's just a thin box [13:02] ldap [13:02] @ Griffin_ [13:02] Griffin_, you can get centralised auth, group permissions and that sort of thing, but the biggest thing you won't get is a group policy equivalent [13:03] Squirm: my lapbox :) [13:03] I can Google too. Wanted to know if there is anyone that actively uses this in a AD like environment [13:03] Griffin_, actually scratch that come to think of it, you can actually get something close to group policy with puppet [13:07] puppet, will have a look at that. I work with allot of schools as well and I am looking at something that can replicate the control I have with AD and GPO's over the system [13:08] puppet is a configuration management solution. it lets you describe the configuration in its own language and then translates that into native actions on the target system [13:09] so for example you might have something like 'server1 must have the apache2 package installed', and on an ubuntu box that would result in it running 'apt-get install apache2', but on a redhat box it would do 'rpm bla bla something' [13:09] (i don't know redhat) [13:11] thats Squirm s department [13:11] Just flipped trough a tut on one of the sites and gathered that much. Will have a in depth look later on [13:13] Well will chat a little later. I am packing up to go home. Then some programming but will install xchat and see everyone later on [13:14] later Griffin_ [13:15] sigh [13:15] why dont we get visitors that know less than me [13:15] * Kilos cries [13:22] because you're smart enough to get onto irc [13:23] no no the fly told me how [13:24] and I don't know that much :/ [13:24] I'm just glad I can now follow a lot of conversations [13:24] not be able to do it, least I have some form of understanding. [13:25] * Squirm pokes Symmetria [13:25] he was no help a while back, cause he spoke gibberish :P [13:25] lol [13:26] everyone spoke gibberish when i first came here [13:27] you even taught me how to get mxit on pidgin [13:47] is mxit still a thing? :o [13:48] i use it all the time and most of the family too [13:49] but lotsa peeps gone whatsapp now [13:49] and bbm [13:49] we are no longer their target market [13:49] mxit is more stable than other ims [13:49] when your browser wont even connect mxit does [14:17] Kilos: but you can still not mxit from PC to mobile, can you? [14:17] PC to mobile or vice versa [14:18] yessir [14:18] you even get mxitevo that doesnt need to register with a fone first [14:19] interesting [14:19] i can see mxit from my cell here on the pc inetpro [14:19] mxit rocks [14:20] tara uses mxitevo on her pc [14:20] and boet did in saudi [14:20] and she has it on her cell as well [14:23] hmm [14:23] * inetpro still not convinced [14:24] not sure that I need yet another IM in my life [14:24] mxit is over, my mom is ancient and even she's using whatsapp now [14:33] most of africa does not own a smartphone [14:37] afternnoon all [14:37] and the nice thing about mxit is peeps get messages you leave when they come online [14:37] no need to tell maaz [14:38] i had mxit on my razr v3 [14:38] you dont need a smartfone [14:38] hi magespawn [14:39] whatsapp seems more popular but cant add it to pidgin so to me it sucks [14:40] and all the android stuff i tried to get it on here [14:40] whew [14:40] whatsapp is actually starting to charge [14:41] oh ya mxit is free as in beer [14:41] hehe [14:48] Noo! Don't use proprietary protocols on closed networks [14:54] nice to see new peeps hey Kilos [14:55] yeah [14:55] and another one lost to ms [14:55] thats the best part [14:57] home time later all [15:33] hey griffin_ you a winsucks expert ? [15:35] Define winsucks? [15:35] windows [15:35] O sorry had it as winshits., but yea I think I know my way around [15:35] i got a channel where we help friends from here only with wondows probs [15:36] Whats the problem? [15:36] we dont do windows help here so try help them there [15:36] luckily it isnt often [15:36] O ok. What is the channel name? [15:36] np now but would be nice to have a backup when we get tuck [15:37] ##kilos [15:37] A original [15:37] stuck as well [15:37] Well I'm available when online [15:38] sometimes guys get funny probs like last night was outlook passwords missing or something [15:38] ty sir [15:38] staff vs. prefects water polo [15:38] I'm dead :/ [15:38] lol who won [15:38] Missing or just asking for the account details repeatedly ? [15:38] prefects :/ [15:39] like 8-4 [15:39] yeah asking because of moving on servers or something [15:39] but they got around it [15:39] shame Squirm hang head [15:40] Yea I know @lantic has that problem allot when the servers are down. You keep getting the popup in outlook and the users keep filling in Sh1t [15:40] lol [15:40] Kilos: do you use steam on Ubuntu or not yet? [15:41] griffin_: it's not great :/ [15:41] nope i dont have data to play games [15:41] some of the guys do though [15:41] I know... cannot remember my account name and it keeps hanging when trying to retrieve it [15:41] not many games for it yet. but it will come, seeing as it is the steam engine [15:42] griffin_, open a new one [15:42] Allot of my fav games are on steam. Also a big reason I ported because I knew it was comming [15:42] Virtualbox>win7>steam>retrieve [15:43] or they must have a forum or email addy you can query at [15:43] lol you got 7 inna box? [15:43] griffin_: you should be able to go through the steps on their website [15:43] my son has to do that too to do work [15:43] Yep. Some of the CAD software does not run so nice on Ubuntu [15:44] when you have some more experience you can try kubuntu as well [15:44] supper time. I hope this cool weather stays for tomorrow [15:44] then it must bake [15:45] ubuntu has many flavours [15:45] Just had a look at some images and it looks nice but I dont like the KDE interface that much [15:46] it takes some getting used to but i find it does installing apps faster [15:47] the fly and pro can tell you where else its better [15:47] oh we got python experts here too [15:47] I like the unity interface because the side bar is usually where I put my windows one anyways. [15:47] Anyone doing java and php? [15:48] lol [15:48] creature of habit [15:48] ya nuvolari does java [15:48] and someone else [15:48] I my G0d just noticed how I sounded like a noob saying that [15:49] php dont seem very popular here [15:49] but ThatGraemeGuy does it [15:50] From what I remember from the start linux and python go hand in hand [15:50] i do what now? [15:51] ThatGraemeGuy: <-PHP [15:52] oh, no i don't do drugs [15:52] :-! [15:52] Haha java then? [15:52] nope [15:52] i'm a sysadmin [15:52] i did some php YEARS ago but that would be worthless nowadays [15:52] O then you do everything right? [15:52] also Tcl way back [15:53] lol [15:53] bash & Python is what i do mostly [15:53] or vbscript/powershell if i'm doing windowsy things [15:54] Do you have a workaround for getting past Applocker in win7 or not [15:54] oh sorry ThatGraemeGuy [15:54] i ... uh [15:54] don't know what that is [15:55] i'm primarily an ubuntu guy for the past 4 years almost, so my windows is pretty rusty [15:55] particularly desktop-side windows stuffs [15:55] It's a issue we will be having in the coming weeks because the higher up sys admins have locked down all exe's using it. It sucks balls [15:56] i left my laptop at home the other day and i was using a spare with win7, spent an hour trying to get my external display to work at native resolution [15:56] gave up, worked with 1 screen for the day [15:57] External displays.... HDMI, s-video... why are these things still a issue 10 years down the line [15:58] Point, click, select and apply... what makes that so difficult [15:58] yeah [16:01] ok it's time to abandon ship, yay! [16:01] later all [16:01] Cheerz [16:36] yo drussell hows things [16:36] ? [16:43] hi Cantide [16:43] hey Kilos [16:43] i am going to be CanStudy tonight :p [16:43] hopefully for the last time :) [16:44] lol [16:44] studying never stops [16:44] one is always learning [16:45] yeah [16:46] but at least one doesn't have to stay up until midnight several days in a row to study [16:46] if one is studying casually that is [16:47] yeah [16:48] but also if you dont try cramp just before exams you also dont need to stay up till midnight [16:49] * Cantide whistles [16:49] i no longer have exams [16:49] just one final assignment [16:49] but 4 essay questions of 5 pages each is a bit much... [16:52] just buckle down and do it man. its not so bad [16:52] yeah [16:52] i've done 3 of them [16:52] 1 left [16:52] i've prepared it already [16:52] see [16:52] just need to write it now [16:53] going to start at 7 [16:53] and hopefully finish by 10.. [16:53] else it's going to be a long, long night [16:58] how long is it gonna take to finish it? [16:59] i go eat [16:59] wbb [17:00] i don't know... 3 hours? [17:00] * Cantide shrugs [17:00] it's on T.S. Eliot... might take longer.. [17:11] evening all [17:12] hi~ === Cantide is now known as CanStudy [17:14] hi magespawn [17:15] hey CanStudy Kilos [17:15] '-'/ [17:22] hey magespawn you must take a look at spfdisk on ubcd [17:22] will do Kilos [17:23] quite a potent tool [17:25] bbl network playing around here [17:25] ok [17:48] almost bed time [18:43] yoh the Internet strikes again: http://memeburn.com/2013/02/brace-yourselves-here-comes-the-darth-pistorius-meme/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+memeburncom+%28memeburn%29 [18:44] hey ThatGraemeGuy nice to see you here at night as well now [18:44] last night too [18:44] 'ello :) [18:45] sup Vince-0 [18:45] Ag same dizl [18:45] ah well thats life hey [18:46] last night i had intentions of sitting through some units of a udacity course i started [18:46] never happened though [18:46] tonight i had the same idea but i just don't feel like it [18:46] lol [18:47] near bed time for ballies too [18:47] old married fathers [18:47] hehe [18:47] Ya dis ook laat vir klien kinders [18:47] * Symmetria dances around [18:47] as a private contractor [18:47] today was the most awesome day a guy like me can have [18:47] one of those days where EVERYTHING falls into place [18:47] ThatGraemeGuy, what course? [18:48] Symmetria, thats naas [18:48] I closed on 2 of the largest contracts I could ever have wished for today [18:48] * Symmetria can now go and buy the car he wants ;p [18:48] and pay for it in cash ;p [18:48] hey Symmetria nice [18:49] now help fanie with the host thing [18:49] Vince-0, https://www.udacity.com/course/cs212 [18:55] Nice! [18:59] * Symmetria is ordering his new car tomorrow ;p [18:59] yoh luckeee [19:01] gtg, baby having a rough night [19:01] night all! [19:23] good evening [19:30] lo inetpro [19:30] you just in time to say night [19:30] Kilos: you still awake at this point? [19:30] only just [19:30] why? [19:30] sleep tight all of you [19:30] well [19:30] why not? [19:30] ok [19:30] lol [19:30] well, good night Kilos [19:31] ok then sleep tight [19:32] slaapwel :) === CanStudy is now known as CanDONE === CanDONE is now known as Cantide [19:47] well done can tide [19:48] thanks, inet pro [19:48] I submitted my 10 page assignment [19:48] let's hope i get quick feedback [20:19] Anyone still awake? [20:20] yar kinda [20:20] Haha late nie hey? [20:20] *nite [20:24] negative, usually awake until midnight [20:24] trying to figure out some silly cakePHP ap [20:24] Work? [20:24] just messin' [20:24] O ok. Work mostly keeps me up till the wee hours of the mornin [20:25] Noo thats terrible - do you work for yourself? [20:25] For myself, for my company for everyone else also it seems some times [20:26] ag no man. life is too short [20:26] Well I have to say the after 5 work is usually the most fun. Then I get to do what I really like [20:27] true [20:27] So what are you messing with/ [20:27] opencdrrate project - to do billing calculations on VoIP switches [20:28] seems most of these types of projects are poorly documented [20:28] and supported [20:29] Great ideas but documentation is always lacking. I do programming as well and can tell you I would sell my sole to avoid it [20:30] What voip switches are you using? [20:30] Asterisk and Freeswitch [20:32] The company I work for uses cisco voice gateways. All closed source stuff and managed by a team in Texas [20:32] oow that stuff is world class - not sure about the development interfaces though. [20:33] All linux based which is kinda nice but the only time we get to do with it is when we replace a server or upgrade and even then its just insert CD and press enter [20:34] do you know what kind of billing platform that plugs into? [20:35] Its cisco's custom call manager. Ironically called call manager [20:35] oh I've seen those [20:37] We use to use 3cx voip system tied into a few analog gateways which was very nice. But I never had access to the call manager so dont know what the plug was they used [20:38] So are you working for a company doing voip or just laerning [20:38] *learning [20:40] both [20:41] not exactly programming though [20:41] especially not cakephp [20:42] Was never my department as well. Just mainteined the hardware and setup the initial software [20:46] problem is, these things tend to be a little to close to the core of a company to outsource [20:46] darned open projects - even the commercial support avenue is an issue [20:47] Vince-0: do yourself a favour and forget PHP and learn Python [20:47] Except when you are a international corporate company. Then you outsource everything [20:47] superfly, ! hell yea - I'm doing python. This darned project is in php [20:48] griffin_: you don't perhaps work in Century City? [20:49] superfly: No mining way out in the middle of nowhere [20:49] griffin_: ah, OK... I know a company in Century City that uses Cisco stuff, sounds familiar to you [20:51] griffin_: you wanted to know what people in here do? I'm a firmware developer [20:51] No sorry. Big mining company. Gone over to Cisco VOIP for over 2 years now [20:51] superfly, firmware! what languages / stuff [20:52] Vince-0: C++, C and Assembler [20:52] Vince-0: though we have a server which is written in Python [20:53] python is the ideal language I think - system procedures, objects and web. I studied Java to some extent [20:53] yeah, we're investigating some new hardware which runs embedded Linux, which we're hoping to be able to run Python apps on [20:54] and then drop the C++ for Python [20:54] well, I gotta head to bed, more C to handle tomorrow [20:54] cya [20:55] Cheerz [20:57] Well its off to be for me as well. Vince I hope you get done what your looking to do [20:59] Thanks! griffin_ cya