[01:37] <len_1304> micahg, wondering if you have an eta for releasing ubuntustudio-default-settings.
[01:41] <micahg> hrmf...:(  let me try to do it in the morning
[01:41] <micahg> sorry, been real busy here
[01:41] <len_1304> I understand. It just leaves me stuck for now.
[01:42] <len_1304> That would complete me for 13.04
[01:42] <micahg> sorry, I'll try to get you unstuck tomorrow
[01:42] <micahg> or tonight if I can squeeze it in
[01:42] <len_1304> If not, thats ok too.
[11:09] <ttoine> hi all
[11:42] <ttoine> zequence, hello
[11:43] <ttoine> if you are interested, I asked some weeks ago (at the end of 2012) for a licence to sell Ubuntu Studio branded stuff. And I get an answer
[11:45] <ttoine> We have to chat about that with Scott
[11:51] <falktx> you mean canonical?
[11:51] <falktx> afaik UbuntuStudio is a canonical brand
[14:23] <len_1304> smartboyhw, Re, UTS... I will be at work that whole time. It seems it is more for full time people.
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Len-nb, OK
[14:49] <smartboyhw> len_1304, 
[14:49] <smartboyhw> ^
[15:04] <len_1304> smartboyhw, I got it thanks.
[15:27] <ttoine> falktx, yes, I get a licence from Canonical
[15:28] <ttoine> the aim would not be to make a business, but to let our users have branded stuff
[15:28] <smartboyhw> ttoine, license of what!?
[15:28] <ttoine> smartboyhw, licence for ubuntu studio branded stuff to sell
[15:28] <ttoine> t-shirt, stickers, caps, etc..
[15:28] <ttoine> mugs ?
[15:28] <smartboyhw> ttoine, what the!!?!?!?!
[15:28] <smartboyhw> That's GREAT@
[15:28] <ttoine> yeah
[15:29]  * smartboyhw congrats ttoine 
[15:29] <ttoine> I was waiting for an answers for 3 or 4 monthes, I has almost forgotten my request ;-)
[15:29] <ttoine> so now we have to fill the form to complete the request, but it is on the rails
[15:30] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:30] <ttoine> smartboyhw, yes, ;-)
[15:31] <ttoine> and of course, to chat about what to sell, who does it, and where
[15:31] <ttoine> so maybe I am not a packager nor a programmer, but I can be useful too !
[15:31]  * ttoine is very proud of that !
[15:31] <smartboyhw> ttoine, well of course:)
[15:31] <holstein> ttoine: i remember scott asked about a 3 cycles ago
[15:31]  * smartboyhw is not a programmer of packager (IN HERE) but he can be useful too with QA
[15:32] <smartboyhw> holstein, 3 CYCLES ago!?
[15:32] <holstein> ^^asked if we could sell things for support
[15:32] <smartboyhw> Now we can
[15:32] <smartboyhw> ttoine, make sure you send an e-mail to everyone
[15:49] <smartboyhw> zequence, holstein ttoine len_1304 so do we need an UDS session for the one next week?
[15:59] <smartboyhw> The start of the discussion of non-LTS releases deletion: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html
[16:00] <smartboyhw> UDS time: Next Tuesday, 14:00-20:00 UTC
[16:16] <zequence> I suppose we should whip something up for UDS
[16:39] <ttoine> when is UDS ? maybe we can produce a video or something like that ?
[16:41] <zequence> ttoine: It's next week
[16:42] <ttoine> wow
[16:42] <zequence> They're keeping a UDS every 3 months now, and only over the network
[16:42] <ttoine> ok
[16:42] <ttoine> no more great meeting ?
[16:42] <zequence> Seems like it
[16:42] <ttoine> was too expensive, I guees
[16:42] <ttoine> guess
[16:42] <zequence> Maybe they're too busy with the phone too
[16:42] <ttoine> yes, possible
[16:43] <ttoine> I just get my new Galaxy Nexus
[16:43] <zequence> ttoine: How's your new life?
[16:43] <ttoine> I wait a bit to read some feedback anbd then will install the Ubuntu on my phone
[16:43] <ttoine> zequence, well
[16:43] <ttoine> thanks
[16:43] <ttoine> there is a big challenge for me
[16:44] <ttoine> I have to make a new portal for the community of Bonitasoft.com and .org
[16:44] <ttoine> and animate it
[16:44] <ttoine> at the moment, the community is less and less active every monthn that is a big problem
[16:44] <ttoine> and the company would like to create new so people can contribute
[16:45] <ttoine> very interesting.
[16:45] <zequence> ttoine: Yes, sounds interesting
[16:45] <ttoine> I was supposed to use Drupal to develop the stuff, but the more I spend time playing with it, the less I think it will be possible to use it
[16:46] <ttoine> it is a very modern office: no paper, no phone (skype and google hangout/gtalk), every body has a laptop, a second screen, a headset
[16:46] <ttoine> you can come at any time, if you do the hours you are paid for
[16:46] <ttoine> etc.
[16:46] <ttoine> and the boss is a great man
[16:47] <ttoine> people are nice and funny
[16:47] <ttoine> I can't imagine a better to work
[16:47] <ttoine> from the windows, we have the view on the mountain (ok, on the highway, too ;-))
[16:47] <zequence> ttoine: Sounds fantastic :). Particularly about the hours :P
[16:47] <ttoine> zequence, I can't be late ;-)
[16:48] <ttoine> so, there are some counterparts, of course
[16:48] <ttoine> great personnal investment, find a house in the area, etc.
[16:49] <zequence> I wish I could afford a house right now
[16:49] <zequence> Will need to wait another 5-10 years
[16:49] <zequence> ttoine: Expensive to buy a house there?
[17:00] <ttoine> zequence, I won't have the money to buy, I think
[17:01] <ttoine> the last 4 years, I did only simple jobs
[17:02] <ttoine> but it is possible to find houses around 100 k€ and 150 k€. It is less expensive than Lyon
[17:03] <zequence> I'm just reading the mail list
[17:03] <zequence> There might even not be a Raring release as it looks now
[17:04] <ttoine> wow
[17:05] <zequence> ttoine: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html
[17:08] <zequence> I think I might prefer a rolling release
[17:09] <zequence> And perhaps the possiblity of custom releases
[17:09] <zequence> For flavors
[17:12] <zequence> I'm too tired today to think clearly about this. Will look at it tomorrow
[17:15] <ttoine> I agree with you
[17:15] <ttoine> interessant but it is the end of the day too
[17:17] <zequence> For us a custom release makes more sense than to many other OSs
[17:17] <zequence> We can say this release has everything you need, and is solid for production use
[17:17] <zequence> But, it would be better if we could also use older versions for some packages, if there are regressions
[17:18] <zequence> We don't really have the manpower to do this though
[17:18] <micahg> zequence: you can't since you won't get security support
[17:19] <zequence> micahg: I'm think more like a snapshot of the rolling release
[17:19] <zequence> Some people prefer not to do any updates, once they have a solid system
[17:20] <zequence> Those who prefer constant updates, might as well just use the rolling release as is
[17:20] <zequence> The LTS is supposed to be that of course
[17:20] <zequence> Solid, I mean
[17:21] <micahg> zequence: unless one's machine in unplugged from any network source, one needs security updates
[17:21] <zequence> micahg: For a studio machine, that might be the case.
[17:22] <zequence> But, even with a rolling release, one should be able to only do security updates
[17:22] <micahg> security updates aren't marked as such ATM in the devel release
[17:22] <zequence> true
[17:26] <zequence> micahg: Is it possible to do version control in seeds?
[17:26] <zequence> Like forcing an older version of a package
[17:27] <zequence> I would only consider that as an option in rare cases though
[17:29] <zequence> wb kubotu 
[17:30] <micahg> zequence: no
[17:34] <zequence> I suppose we just need to be active testing applications that end up in -proposed, and stop those from being released which are presenting bad regressions, until fixed
[17:44] <micahg> no, -proposed ATM in the devel release isn't meant to be run
[17:45] <zequence> hmm, Debian Unstable I suppose is a sort of -proposed, isn't it?
[17:45] <zequence> While Testing is the development release
[17:46] <zequence> I guess the work should be done there already then
[17:46] <micahg> well, yes and no, unstable is meant for packages that devs think are ready for testing, but they get bake time before they migrate (and are possibly blocked on RC bugs or other packages)
[17:48] <zequence> I'd rather stop packages there already, if they did present some weird bugs. If they end up in a Ubuntu rolling release, without any question, that would be the only way to keep the rolling release clean
[21:35] <Len-nb> zequence, micahg I would like to see two streams in a rolling release. Justbtt
[21:35] <Len-nb> just the same as the kernel has odd and even runs
[21:37] <Len-nb> Not sure how that would work though or if the logistics are doable.
[22:03] <zequence> There needs to be some sort of pre-release buffer for applications anyhow
[22:03] <zequence> I'm thinking we could offer to do QA on some of those which are important for us
[22:05] <zequence> That's really all that is important for us
[22:05] <zequence> And when it comes to our own packages, it's really just up to us when and how we do a release
[22:06] <zequence> If we can do a snapshot whenever we want, that would be good
[22:06] <zequence> The DVD is two things. 1. it's live. 2. it's an installation medium
[22:07] <zequence> One would like the live DVD to be great
[22:07] <zequence> And a quality ensured snapshot could do taht
[22:07] <zequence> Also, we could time that with a new release of our own stuff
[22:07] <zequence> So, more or less like making a custom release
[22:32] <zequence> Len-nb: You beat me to it
[22:32] <zequence> Len-nb: on the mail list. I was going to answer the guy later
[22:58] <zequence> Len-nb: btw, not that it matters at this point, but Nautilus is getting back its tree view in list view for Gnome 3.8 :)
[22:59] <zequence> That was the only detail besides search that seemed crazy to me leaving out
[22:59] <zequence> But, searching for files is done quite easily in the DASH too
[22:59] <zequence> ..or should be, I mean
[23:02] <Len-nb> zequence, so long as thunar is not broken I would prefer to use that. The user can install nautilus if they want.
[23:03] <Len-nb> Search for files ... there is a search in both nautilus and thunar, but both only seen to work in the current directory.
[23:05] <Len-nb> It is handy to find an item that is not in the window, but that is about it. Also it only searches starting at the beginning of the file name. So search for in would get intro.txt, but not bin or win.
[23:15] <zequence> Len-nb: Yeah, I wasn't for installing Naitilus in the first place. I was just conveying some news. Not often you see a feature pop out and in like that
[23:16] <zequence> Len-nb: So, this search app for XFCE, is it good now?
[23:16] <zequence> I mean, the one you were adding
[23:32] <Len-nb> It is awaiting release. I just wanted it added before feature freeze... though it sounds like that may no longer matter.
[23:33] <zequence> Len-nb: Yeah :)
[23:33] <Len-nb> The version I have been testing works really well, it is just waiting to be released.
[23:33] <Len-nb> Like we are waiting for -settings
[23:35] <zequence> Len-nb: The channels argument is added to the Ubuntu source by a patch I did
[23:35] <zequence> So, it's coming out shortly
[23:36] <zequence> ..but that patch will have no reason to stay, if there's no raring release
[23:37] <zequence> unless of course, one is in a hurry to get it into a daily
[23:37] <Len-nb> zequence, the response to adding krita has been very good. I was hoping to ask Scott's opinion, but he seems to be MIA just now.
[23:38] <zequence> Len-nb: I say just add it
[23:38] <Len-nb> I would like to see channels= added as soon as can be. For pro work that is what makes pa-jack useful.
[23:38] <zequence> Len-nb: It seems like one of the big ones
[23:39] <Len-nb> Ok, I will add it tonight.
[23:39] <zequence> Len-nb: The reason for my post on the mail list about channels was to talk over the Pulse maintainers to include mypatch for that
[23:39] <Len-nb> So it will show in tomorrows daily
[23:40] <Len-nb> They have already added channels so far as I know, it just hasn't made it to release yet
[23:40] <zequence> Len-nb: I've added that commit as a patch to the Ubuntu source. Its' in
[23:40] <Len-nb> The online docs even already show it there.
[23:41] <zequence> It's not released yet though
[23:41] <Len-nb> Have you added a line to the usage output?
[23:41] <zequence> I'm adding two patches. One to enable the channel config, and the other to make it default to 2
[23:41] <zequence> I'm having trouble getting the second one in, which is why I posted
[23:42] <zequence> To get some data. I already know stereo is the best default
[23:42] <zequence> Just needed to convince someone else about it
[23:42] <Len-nb> If the proposed change of config directories happens it won't matter. US can default to 2 channels.