[03:26] <inahd> tello
[03:27] <inahd> hehe hi
[03:27] <inahd> could someone tell me... how i could access the filesystem from a live usb install, from my regular install?
[03:52] <shai_halud> mount it
[03:52] <holstein> shai_halud: user is gone
[03:52] <shai_halud> oh. thanks
[03:53] <holstein> shai_halud: no worries.. only gave us a minute to respond.. probably figured it out
[03:53] <holstein> well, 10 minutes
[03:54] <shai_halud> how are you doing tonight?
[03:55] <holstein> not bad.. tired, but i have a day off tomorrow, first one in a while... and you?
[03:55] <shai_halud> trying to figure something out in lmms. driving me nuts
[03:56] <shai_halud> has to do with an arpeggio not sounding in meter
[03:57] <shai_halud> i actually didn't notice at first. now it sticks out like a sore thumb
[03:57] <holstein> eh, sometimes it can be nice
[03:57] <shai_halud> strange how time affects the way music sounds
[03:58] <shai_halud> i.e., as time progresses, your perception changes
[03:58] <holstein> probably sound "wrong" to you, but it might create intrest for someone else
[03:59] <shai_halud> that's always possible, i suppose, but there was always something not quite right with this. now i have finally pinpointed the error, but i still don't know how to fix it
[04:00] <holstein> mute it for a bit
[04:00] <shai_halud> can't. it's the main driving part of the song
[04:00] <shai_halud> the rhythm that plays throughout
[04:01] <shai_halud> it's a repeated section though, so if i fix it, i will just delete the rest and c/p it
[04:01] <holstein> well, you can, if you want
[04:01] <shai_halud> i really want to fix it is what i want
[04:01] <holstein> but, you can grab it and scoot it around and hide the edges im sure
[04:01] <shai_halud> are you familiar with lmms?
[04:01] <holstein> sure, go for it.. im just proposing that it might not be broken
[04:02] <shai_halud> oh it is
[04:02] <shai_halud> trust me
[04:02] <holstein> you can ask in #opensourcemusicians ..i dont use it, but one of the dev's hangs there
[04:04] <shai_halud> see, it's an arpeggio called "Jupiter" in "Triple Oscillator", which , when a note is played, 2 notes follow it. . I have ... well, i have too many of these notes clustered together
[04:04] <shai_halud> it's a problem i have to fix myself
[04:04] <shai_halud> i doubt anyone can help with it
[04:05] <shai_halud> just venting
[04:06] <shai_halud> you may as well hear it http://soundcloud.com/teradyme/invitation
[04:06] <shai_halud>  you will notice the main driving rhythm, and when many of the same note are played in succession, they overlap too closely
[04:07] <shai_halud> it is almost beautiful, but i have to find just the right spacing for the notes
[04:08] <holstein> shai_halud: works fine for me
[04:09] <shai_halud> it's pretty close but it's off
[04:09] <holstein> its "floaty" and non-precise anyway
[04:09] <holstein> doenst bother me, as is
[04:09] <holstein> sounds like an analog synth cranked it out
[04:09] <shai_halud> turn on a metronome, about 98 bpm, and see how it sounds
[04:10] <shai_halud> it's an ugly mess when you do that
[04:10] <holstein> doesnt bother me
[04:11] <holstein> i dont need my music to be "neat"... sounds like an old record or an old analog synth
[04:11] <holstein> sounds natural
[04:11] <shai_halud> yeah. it's linux multi-media studio
[04:11] <holstein> i mean, fix it if you want... im sure it'll sound fine precise, but it might also sound boring
[04:11] <shai_halud> i've thought of that aspect too
[04:12] <shai_halud> if hydrogen was a little freer with hit placement, i would just try to place beats where i feel they belong, but i have tried, and it just sounds worse
[04:12] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: it's very free, read the manual!
[04:12] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: save yourself a lot of asking here:)
[04:13] <shai_halud> hehe
[04:13] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: you can have 32-s if you want
[04:13] <shai_halud>  i'm not asking, really. just lamenting
[04:13] <shai_halud> i figured out what was wrong
[04:13] <shai_halud> finally
[04:14] <shai_halud> it's the damn triplet
[04:14] <shai_halud> and the delay that it is set with (time setting)
[04:16] <shai_halud> basically what i did was use ... hm if i could adjust the durarion of the triplet i might be able to fix it
[04:16] <shai_halud> without getting too drastic
[04:42] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: problem often is the time setting :)
[04:43] <shai_halud> yeah, i have tried adjusting it. i am looking right now at measures and note length and proximity
[04:43] <shai_halud> experimenting in a solo track with the instrument til ifind the movement i am looking for
[04:44] <shai_halud> between that and time i should be able to get it
[04:45] <shai_halud> once i get this rhytm track fixed, it's going to be downhill
[04:48] <sirriffsalot> Using my oxygen on my hydrogen *shades* Feels so col
[04:48] <sirriffsalot> cool*
[04:49] <sirriffsalot> If I knew chemistry I could probably say a nice result of those two elements lol
[04:51] <shai_halud> oxygen?
[04:52] <shai_halud> is that a program too? i was thinking about that today .. thought i had heard of a program by that name
[06:15] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: oxygen49
[06:15] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: it's a midi-keyboard
[06:15] <shai_halud> mm
[06:15] <shai_halud> ok. i have heard of that
[06:16] <shai_halud> writing a crazy riff out slaughter fest.... because i can
[06:25] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: haa?
[06:25] <sirriffsalot> shai_halud: didn't get that
[06:26] <shai_halud> said- i am writing a riff-out-slaughter-fest
[06:26] <shai_halud> something frank would be proud of
[06:26] <sirriffsalot> Aha.. ehe
[06:26] <shai_halud> (god rest his soul)
[06:27] <sirriffsalot> Zappa?
[06:27] <shai_halud> damn right. is there any other?
[06:27] <sirriffsalot> Well Frank Sinatra.. though he didn't write riffs
[06:27] <shai_halud> ha
[06:27] <sirriffsalot> But a lot of guitarists named frank I'm sure
[06:27] <shai_halud> when i say frank, it's that one
[06:28] <sirriffsalot> Someone here's named frank.. be careful, hehe
[16:42] <conspiritech> having issues trying to get a 3.5 mm analog input to play through to headphones
[18:05] <hectorlopez> hi there, im trying to compile libvisual under ubuntu 12.04 and here is the output http://dpaste.com/1008001/
[18:05] <hectorlopez> ubuntu studio :))
[18:07] <zequence> hectorlopez: Seems like you might be missing something. Did you install all needed dependencies?
[18:07] <hectorlopez> i only uset the git and cmake todo
[18:10] <holstein> hectorlopez: you'll be responsible for getting whatever dependencies the package needs...
[18:12] <hectorlopez> yes, i have, but i dont know how cmake have a strange error
[18:14] <zequence> hectorlopez: Try a channel for programming. I can't find the reason to your problem
[18:15] <zequence> hectorlopez: You could try #lad
[18:15] <zequence> == linux audio developers
[18:44] <hectorlopez> ok thanks
[19:02] <hectorlopez>  solved :D i have a missing dependency under ubuntu studio liborc-0.4-dev installed whit synaptic :DDD and found all libvisual thanks!
[19:42] <hectorlopez> one more, i want install sdl under ubuntu studio 12.04 :P i have google it but i dont have good resource
[19:43] <zequence> hectorlopez: sdl dev libs?
[19:44] <zequence> hectorlopez: Try: apt-cache search libsdl
[19:46] <hectorlopez> cool thx
[20:15] <holstein> hectorlopez: always try and just install from the repos.. the repos are common for all ubuntu's
[21:32] <TheGrey> o/ my soundcard (M audio 2496) is all of a sudden not recognised by aplay -l, or by its mixer (envy24control). Lspci shows it's ID though. Do I need to turn of the onboard soundcard in the BIOS? But at the moment my Nvidia HDMI is the default card! Thanks..
[21:33] <holstein> TheGrey: was it an upgrade that "broke" it?
[22:09] <zequence> TheGrey: Sounds pretty bad. Make sure the card is not loose or something
[22:16] <TheGrey> Thanks, I'll try and reseat the card. If that fails should I disable the onbard card? Also if lspci picks it up does it mean that it is detected by the system? Here is my dump: http://pastebin.com/ZGhCAG5N
[22:17] <holstein> aplay -l is important.. that means alsa sees it
[22:17] <TheGrey> holstein: right, but its not displayed there. What could be the issue you think?
[22:18] <holstein> TheGrey: if it was an upgrade that broke it, then the kernel or alsa version could have dropped support fort he device, or broke it
[22:18] <holstein> TheGrey: bad hardware
[22:20] <TheGrey> thanks. what do you think I can do to resolve this issue? I run sudo apt-get update reguraly.
[22:20] <holstein> you could stop updating, and use it more like an appliance
[22:20] <holstein> you could test the hardware in an offically supported opertating system.. or with a known-good live CD
[22:21] <TheGrey> kk, is there a way I can revert to an old ALSA?
[22:21] <holstein> TheGrey: first, i would try just booting the older kernel you probably kept.. then you can just search alsa in the package manager of your choice
[22:22] <holstein> you can always try the live CD you installed from.. that'll tell you something
[22:22] <TheGrey> I understand, thanks for all the help. And does the lspci rule out a seating error?
[22:23] <zequence> No dropped support
[22:23] <zequence> It's ice1712, which is still one of the most used chips around for pro audio on pci
[22:24] <zequence> TheGrey: I would suspect hardware failure, but there could be some weird IRQ conflict too, I guess
[22:24] <zequence> TheGrey: If you have more PCI slots, try switching
[22:25] <zequence> TheGrey: Also, try our live DVD to make sure it's not your OS
[22:25] <zequence> TheGrey: If none of those work, I would suspect hardware failure
[22:25] <TheGrey> right, no problem. I just got the card a week ago! It was working nicely for a few days.
[22:25] <zequence> TheGrey: The onboard card would not likely cause problems
[22:26] <TheGrey> right, thanks. Can the pci slot be an issue?
[22:27] <zequence> TheGrey: I've had some IRQ conflicts when using the Debian -rt kernel. It would mute my audio device, but that was different.
[22:28] <zequence> TheGrey: Different PCI slots have different IRQs
[22:28] <TheGrey> cool, what are IRQs?
[22:28] <zequence> The problem with the -rt kernel was actually the kernel itself, not my iRQs
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: IRQs are like channels. All peripherials on your PC have one
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: Some IRQs are share between many devices
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: Do this in a terminal: 3.2.0-39.41
[22:29] <zequence> Sorry :)
[22:29] <zequence> TheGrey: cat /proc/interrupts
[22:30] <zequence> I think your device should show as snd_ice1712
[22:31] <zequence> TheGrey: I would make sure that the card is well seated first. Then maybe try the live DVD. And last, try different pci slots
[22:32] <TheGrey> thanks, I cannot see it in the /cat buit I assume that because the card isn't loaded by ALSA. I'll follow your advice. Just a final question: if it is a IRQ issue, why would it have been working in the potentially faulty slot before?
[22:33] <zequence> TheGrey: Faulty slot would have nothing to do with IRQ. an update to your system could have something to do with handling of IRQs, all though unlikely
[22:33] <zequence> TheGrey: you didn't add any new PPA, or kernels, or anything like that?
[22:34] <TheGrey> As far as I am aware no. This appears to have happened randomly for me.
[22:34] <zequence> TheGrey: cat is not a directory. It's a command: cat /proc/interrupts
[22:35] <TheGrey> :D I meant that!
[22:35] <zequence> TheGrey: If the card shows or not is not depending on ALSA to my knowledge
[22:36] <TheGrey> oohh so that could meant a seating or IRQ issue?
[22:36] <TheGrey> or a hardware failure. I suppose its impossible to tell without testing
[22:37] <zequence> TheGrey: Again, I would make sure it's well seated first. Then double check with another OS to make sure it's not your OS. Then try different slots. If all fails, I would highly suspect hardware failure
[22:37] <zequence> You could also try putting the device into another machine
[22:38] <TheGrey> zequence: thanks for the sagely advice. I will proceed and try to resolve this issue. Many thanks again!
[22:38] <zequence> TheGrey: Hope it works out :)
[22:40] <zequence> hmm, what would make all devices show and being sure drivers are not involved. snd_1712 actually looks a lot like an ALSA name
[22:41] <zequence> TheGrey: Here's another command you could try: cat /proc/bus/pci/devices
[22:41] <zequence> I should look more into this
[22:42] <TheGrey> still not found. I reckon the reseating>liveCD>PCI switchout trifecta test is my best bet
[22:44] <zequence> TheGrey: Ahh, of course. Just do: lspci
[22:44] <TheGrey> zequence: and as mentioned it's sitting here: 08:05.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. ICE1712 [Envy24] PCI Multi-Channel I/O Controller (rev 02)
[22:44] <zequence> Or rather: lspci -b
[22:45] <zequence> TheGrey: Oh, you said that :P
[22:45] <TheGrey> :)
[22:45] <TheGrey> so do you think this rules out a seating and/or IRQ issue?
[22:46] <zequence> TheGrey: Well, clearly the system sees the device, but ALSA is not loading it then. I would try a live DVD, or another OS installed on the same machine to see if the device works or not
[22:47] <TheGrey> kk. I've got a lot of tests to do!
[22:50] <TheGrey> and as a last restore, would resintalling ALSA potentially resolve this issue?
[22:52] <zequence> TheGrey: It's hard to say at this point what has gone wrong
[22:53] <zequence> TheGrey: I've never heard of alsa becoming corrupted
[22:53] <zequence> I mean, just by using it
[23:14] <sirriffsalot> How can I exclude certain packages from PPA's being suggested to be updated (in my case KXStudio's Ardour, which I no longer need being a subscriber of Ardour)?
[23:21] <zequence> sirriffsalot: I haven't looked at that closely, but one simple way to do it is to disable the PPA, and whenever you want to use the PPA for something specific, you enable it. Then either install one new app, or just: apt-get install --only-upgrade <someapp>, to update it
[23:21] <sirriffsalot> zequence: good advice. how about this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/170235/how-do-i-cherry-pick-packages-from-a-ppa
[23:23] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Yeah. That stuff is really Debian/apt technicality, and you should be able to find some info in either Ubuntu or Debian wikis
[23:23] <sirriffsalot> zequence: was it a bad idea for an Ubuntu guy?
[23:24] <zequence> sirriffsalot: What I mean is, it's not specific to PPAs or Ubuntu.
[23:24] <sirriffsalot> zequence: alright. gonna look for a more wiki-manualed approach
[23:26] <zequence> sirriffsalot: Could be there's a channel for apt you could try to
[23:26] <sirriffsalot> zequence: yeah, looking as we type
[23:27] <zequence> debian or ubuntu devs should know too
[23:27] <zequence> ..or users
[23:27]  * sirriffsalot points toward #ubuntustudio
[23:28] <sirriffsalot> zequence: hmm, strange.. now that I removed A2.8.16, the updater does not mention it again when I recheck..
[23:30] <zequence> sirriffsalot: http://askubuntu.com/questions/75895/how-to-forbid-a-specific-package-to-be-installed
[23:31] <sirriffsalot> zequence: maan.. the trouble with linux is that there are so many approaches you have to know all of them well to decide which is best
[23:31] <sirriffsalot> zequence: thanks!
[23:31] <zequence> /etc/apt/preferences seems like a good place to put rules in
[23:32] <zequence> sirriffsalot: http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences
[23:32] <sirriffsalot> zequence: yeah, found that :)