| ochosi | bluesabre: not what you asked exactly, but nope :) | 00:32 |
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| micahg | bluesabre: are you interested in the packaging for catfish as well or just upstream? | 01:10 |
| ochosi | hey micahg | 01:10 |
| micahg | hi ochosi | 01:10 |
| ochosi | do we still ship the unico-engine by default? | 01:10 |
| micahg | idr | 01:10 |
| ochosi | if so, we can drop it | 01:11 |
| ochosi | we got rid of that dependency in all our themes now | 01:11 |
| ochosi | (but the themes need an update) | 01:11 |
| micahg | ochosi: nope, not on the iimage | 01:11 |
| ochosi | (icons plus gtk) | 01:11 |
| ochosi | aha | 01:11 |
| ochosi | interesting | 01:11 |
| ochosi | wondering how bluebird looked out-of-the-box then :) | 01:11 |
| micahg | hrm, yes it is, seeded-in-ubuntu is lying | 01:11 |
| micahg | or my apt-cache is old | 01:12 |
| * micahg wonders why seeded-in-ubuntu is lying | 01:12 | |
| micahg | ah, I think we need a meta update | 01:13 |
| ochosi | ok | 01:13 |
| micahg | no, the task generator seems wrong... | 01:14 |
| ochosi | in that case (if i have two wishes free) please update xubuntu-artwork (as mr_pouit doesn't seem to be around atm) and drop unico | 01:14 |
| ochosi | (if you have time that is) | 01:14 |
| micahg | it's shimmer-themes with the recommends | 01:15 |
| micahg | and unfortunately, I don't have the time tonight | 01:15 |
| ochosi | doesn't have to be tonight | 01:16 |
| ochosi | any time soon is good enough | 01:16 |
| ochosi | in fact, it'd be best for me if we set a date | 01:16 |
| micahg | just drop the recommends or are there changes in the branch? | 01:16 |
| ochosi | then i can try to get stuff into shape | 01:16 |
| micahg | feature freeze is Mar 7, that's the deadline for getting stuff in shape | 01:16 |
| ochosi | i know, but preferrably i'd have some time after uploading _and_ before the freeze | 01:17 |
| ochosi | at least a little | 01:17 |
| micahg | well, if it's just dropping the recommends, I can do that now | 01:17 |
| micahg | if it's more, I have to wait | 01:18 |
| ochosi | that'd be a good start | 01:18 |
| GridCube | bluesabre, :/ i know this might be too late, but i still dont understand how does catfish is meant to work | 01:18 |
| micahg | ochosi: will that break anything without theme updates? | 01:18 |
| GridCube | im using 12.10 now and doing a search for *.mp3 still resulted on nothing :/ | 01:18 |
| ochosi | micahg: it'll break bluebird, but it'll be fixed after the theme-update | 01:18 |
| micahg | ochosi: I'd prefer to do them together to force the upgrade with a breaks | 01:19 |
| ochosi | sure | 01:19 |
| ochosi | fine too | 01:19 |
| micahg | so, maybe tomorrow or Sunday | 01:19 |
| ochosi | it's not like we need those few kb we gain from dropping unico | 01:20 |
| ochosi | micahg: but anyway, if we could arrange that update, that'd be good | 01:21 |
| ochosi | i'm somewhat afraid mr_pouit won't return in time | 01:22 |
| bluesabre | hey gridcube | 01:22 |
| bluesabre | just search for mp3 | 01:22 |
| ochosi | GridCube ^ | 01:22 |
| ochosi | ;) | 01:22 |
| bluesabre | I think I broke wildcards | 01:22 |
| GridCube | oh | 01:22 |
| bluesabre | I'll fix that too | 01:22 |
| GridCube | well look at that | 01:23 |
| bluesabre | :) | 01:23 |
| * micahg is waiting for bluesabre to answer his question | 01:23 | |
| bluesabre | oh | 01:23 |
| bluesabre | missed that! | 01:23 |
| bluesabre | micahg, yeah, definitely interested in getting catfish packaged | 01:24 |
| bluesabre | though, I'll be doing a point release tomorrow | 01:24 |
| micahg | bluesabre: I was wondering about you wanting to do the packaging or not | 01:24 |
| bluesabre | yes, if at all possible | 01:25 |
| ochosi | k folks, i'm off for tonight | 01:25 |
| bluesabre | seeya ochosi | 01:25 |
| ochosi | micahg: hope we can settle this somehow tomorrow or on the weekend | 01:26 |
| ochosi | micahg: you can always ping me, i'll read it in the backlog the latest ;) | 01:26 |
| bluesabre | micahg, is there something I should read up on, or what would I have to do? | 01:26 |
| micahg | bluesabre: so, are you familiar enough to upload a version to mentors.debian.net> | 01:26 |
| bluesabre | not yet, but I can look into doing that | 01:27 |
| bluesabre | I haven't done much packaging at this point | 01:27 |
| bluesabre | k, looks like they've got a bunch of introductory info on that page | 01:28 |
| bluesabre | micahg, so should I ping you again once I've got it on there? | 01:31 |
| micahg | bluesabre: well, if you think you can get it up there, sure | 01:32 |
| bluesabre | I think I should be able to figure it out | 01:33 |
| * pleia2 works on sending ALL THE EMAILS | 06:15 | |
| bluesabre | GridCube, just pushed complete wildcard support into lp:catfish-search if you're interested in trying it out | 10:36 |
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| ochosi | knome: so now it's officially out there. the proposal for rolling release... https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2013-February/036537.html | 16:41 |
| knome | ochosi, atm, i don't have a stance really. | 16:55 |
| knome | micahg, instant reaction? | 16:57 |
| micahg | we've been discussing in MOTU | 16:57 |
| micahg | it sucks for flavours who value intermediate releases to have their latest stack shippable and receive security support | 16:58 |
| micahg | unless we think our user base is ready for rolling release | 16:58 |
| knome | why wouldn't they? | 16:59 |
| micahg | constant updates, software changing out from under them | 17:00 |
| knome | that happens already | 17:00 |
| knome | i'm not sure if there's anything else than xfce that might affect our users in a possibly negative way | 17:01 |
| micahg | that doesn't happen save for Firefox/CHromium and Thunderbird (this one is down to ~1 massive change per year) | 17:04 |
| knome | no, but i can't see people specifically wanting to stick with old versions, and i believe those are quite widespread anyway (so they'll receive bug fixes in a relatively quick manner) | 17:05 |
| knome | if they want maximum stability, they should choose LTS anyway | 17:05 |
| micahg | our current stable release policy is no UI or feature changes save for very few exceptions | 17:09 |
| knome | mmh | 17:09 |
| ochosi | yeah, i guess the UI changes are the more critical | 17:21 |
| ochosi | otoh it means we can also fix things on the go | 17:22 |
| ochosi | which is nicer than having to go through a painful backporting process | 17:22 |
| ochosi | (i assume there won't be drastic theme changes) | 17:22 |
| knome | probably not, but we haven't had those now either | 17:24 |
| GridCube | are you talking about the rolling release model proposal? | 17:27 |
| knome | yes | 17:29 |
| GridCube | i dont know much about that, but i do wonder, how are iso's managed then? i mean, for example, now if i download xubuntu 12.10, i dont have to run that many updates to get it up to date, but if only lts iso's exist... then i have to run a gazillion updates the first time i install the system? | 17:31 |
| micahg | GridCube: you can grab a daily snapshot | 17:32 |
| GridCube | oh... they will still exist? | 17:32 |
| GridCube | i see | 17:32 |
| GridCube | well then nevermind | 17:33 |
| skellat | GridCube: That would sound about right | 17:35 |
| GridCube | :/ | 17:35 |
| skellat | This much change this quickly is worrisome | 17:36 |
| GridCube | nah | 17:36 |
| knome | GridCube, yes it is. | 17:37 |
| knome | i'm already writing another blog article jono won't like. | 17:38 |
| skellat | In the past 48 hours, we've had how many earth-shattering kabooms drop on us? | 17:38 |
| GridCube | 1? | 17:38 |
| skellat | At least 2. The shift in UDS format plus this new proposal for shifting to rolling releases. | 17:38 |
| knome | GridCube, online UDS only, discussiona bout rolling releases | 17:39 |
| GridCube | yes, but thats a discussion, not a fact | 17:39 |
| GridCube | there is no "bomb" on a proposal to discuss something | 17:39 |
| GridCube | dont overreact to something that has not even been made yet | 17:39 |
| skellat | The way the proposal was put forward on rolling releases, it looks like that that is why we're having the UDS March session | 17:39 |
| knome | i'm 99% certain it will roll out as "canonical will switch to rolling releases, you had the possibility to comment" | 17:40 |
| knome | GridCube, please don't shut your eyes from how things have been rolled out before | 17:40 |
| skellat | There's an UbuntuOnAir tomorrow that's going to lay out the proposal in more detail as it is | 17:41 |
| GridCube | knome, yes :) i understand you, but again remember that you ARE the leader for xubuntu, and that xubuntu IS a huge derivative of ubuntu. that many people care and use and like. You represent us all. | 17:41 |
| knome | GridCube, ...yes? | 17:42 |
| GridCube | thats why i ask you politely to not overreact | 17:42 |
| micahg | GridCube: no, this is a bombshell in the whole way that Canonical has gone about it, time will tell if there's any real community input accepted here | 17:42 |
| GridCube | okay | 17:42 |
| GridCube | you are the more experienced people here | 17:43 |
| knome | i don't think everybody is overreacting here. if you had seen the discussion on #ubuntu-release yesterday, you'd know there are people who are even more pessimistic about this | 17:43 |
| GridCube | i wont meddle in things i don't understand and will just hope for the best | 17:43 |
| knome | we all hope for the best, but we need to be prepared for the worst | 17:44 |
| GridCube | knome, :) agreed | 17:44 |
| knome | the history has taught us things will most probably not roll out as we wish | 17:44 |
| * micahg notes to read backscroll in -release | 17:44 | |
| pleia2 | micahg: can't do that until beer-o-clock | 17:44 |
| knome | micahg, hint: a release team member with a kubuntu hat as well. | 17:44 |
| * micahg is probably already aware :) | 17:45 | |
| knome | yeah, that's not a surprise | 17:45 |
| knome | not to say i don't agree with him | 17:45 |
| knome | not sure how i go with the blog article, but i hope to get it out as soon as possible, and might ask for some input from you (pleia2+micahg) and him | 17:46 |
| knome | and why not others who probably think alike. | 17:46 |
| knome | anyway, need to be going now | 17:46 |
| knome | quality time with wife started 15mins ago | 17:46 |
| knome | see you! | 17:46 |
| skellat | As seen over in #ubuntu-release: (12:28:12 PM) Riddell: so is raring really cancelled? | 17:47 |
| skellat | knome: I look forward to your bit on the planet. It looks like I'll be writing too. | 17:48 |
| * skellat wanders off to find a drink | 17:49 | |
| * genii-around ponders 13.06 | 18:33 | |
| knome | skellat, if you happen to post before me, or even if not, please ping me with the url :) | 19:56 |
| skellat | knome: Just started writing now. I'll make sure to drop a link in the channel. | 19:57 |
| knome | skellat, ta. i started writing today as well, but it usually takes me longer than i want to finish off articles, because i don't want to drop out half-thought articles | 19:58 |
| skellat | knome: Take a look at this new bit that just popped up too: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/release-r-monthly-snapshots | 19:58 |
| knome | skellat, yup. that looks like we're moving towards a rolling release, definitely. | 19:59 |
| knome | want to cover the uds issue first, though naturally there will be *some* discussion about the rolling release as well | 20:00 |
| skellat | From the blueprints that are registered so far, it looks like UDS is mostly going to be talking about rolling release. | 20:02 |
| knome | yes, that's evitable | 20:02 |
| skellat | knome: Here ya go: http://erielookingproductions.info/ubuntu/2013/02/30-paradigm-shifting-without-a-clutch | 21:25 |
| * skellat wanders off to do housework | 21:25 | |
| Unit193 | Should be on planet too. | 21:25 |
| knome | skellat, ta | 21:25 |
| micahg | skellat: hrm, I wanted to do Xubuntu for arm, but couldn't get a kernel for my board :( | 21:38 |
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