[00:00] i need to go, now [00:00] Shark_friend: you can download 1 image of the backtrack dragon, but I think it is better if you download many dragon images. In case you need icons with different color or background in different places. [00:00] nice to meet you [00:00] : ) [00:00] good luck :) [00:09] Hello! [00:10] i have some questions? [00:10] ask away :) [00:10] i had a many problems with ubuntu, and this xubuntu is based on it. [00:10] should i try it or...? [00:11] this is the support channel for xubuntu, if you have questions about ubuntu you'll want to ask them in #ubuntu [00:11] (or use one of the other support outlets like ubuntuforums.org or askubuntu.com) [00:11] no no [00:11] i want to try [00:11] xubuntu [00:11] but i dont know can i [00:12] bcs xubuntu is based on ubuntu [00:12] .... [00:12] Yo Debeli [00:12] what problems are you hoping to avoid by trying xubuntu? [00:12] problems with screen, freeze, restart. [00:12] and freeze player. [00:12] He have amd graphics and amd based motherboard [00:13] yes, [00:14] if it's a problem with 3d acceleration using xubuntu could help since it doesn't require it for a standard install [00:14] but that's a huge "if" [00:14] He have freeze problem on login page [00:14] Mouse and keyboard unable to work... [00:14] and ubuntu was so slow...10 mins opening software center....also problems on login page...yes.. [00:14] ah, we use the same login software as ubuntu [00:14] Wjole sisetm freeze [00:15] then i must try slackware? [00:15] also problems with software center are persistable... [00:15] probably worth asking in an Ubuntu support area about how to actually solve the problem rather than just switching to another distro, could be you just need a new graphics driver installed [00:16] i asked them but their community [00:16] says im noob. [00:16] not sure wat you mean by that, but you might want to try on askubuntu.com or ubuntuforums.org, and be sure to say what graphics card you're using [00:17] ok. [00:17] i have Radeon 7970 in warranty [00:18] good night X [00:41] hello. [00:41] your desktop crashes on me. [00:42] i was in codeblocks, i had modified a code outside codeblocks. it asks me to do some sort of update. i go sure. bam. crashes [00:42] i had to do a hard reset [00:42] this happens like once every 2 or 3 weeks [00:42] unacceptable [00:42] why ? [00:42] not sure what you're saying [00:43] !codeblocks [00:43] hm, ubottu doesn't know anything about codeblocks either... [00:43] it's a program that lets you code in C [00:43] its in the repository [00:43] right [00:44] no clue though how that programme is related to "some sort of update" and i don't know _what_ "crashes" [00:44] well, you can modify code in that program [00:44] it's an IDE [00:44] yeah, i realize that [00:45] so i modified it outside of codeblocks [00:45] that is to say, i sometimes use SSH to log in to my computer [00:45] and from SSH i used vim to modify the code [00:45] ok [00:45] when i go back in to codeblocks, it's all, "yo, it code changed outside codeblocks. wana update?" [00:46] right, so it wants to reload the local file [00:46] sounds reasonable [00:46] yup [00:46] (or one might even say: good) [00:46] at that point, xubuntu desktop froze [00:47] control alt delete worked [00:47] but outside of that, it was dead [00:47] im new to linux by the way [00:47] right [00:47] if you care about that IDE, file a bugreport about it [00:47] ok [00:47] the best thing is if you file it at their bugtracker [00:47] but don't expect this to be fixed asap [00:48] cause fixing implies you can provide backtraces of why/how it crashes [00:48] the alternative is to use an IDE that doesn't crash/lock your desktop [00:48] (there are quite a few others) [00:49] so i guess it was the IDE then [00:49] sorry for blaming xubunut [00:49] :( [00:49] no problem [00:49] but if it only happens in this context then the first culprit to blame will always be the app [00:50] for sure [00:50] but you can try to run the programme with gdb from the commandline [00:50] you know what else doesn't work well? chromium [00:50] if you're a coder then trying to get backtraces won't be too hard for you [00:50] gdb? [00:50] it's a debugging programme [00:50] i'm not, i'm a n00b [00:50] a-ha [00:50] i'm the worst programmer on this network [00:51] there are ppl who don't really do coding (like yours truly) [00:51] at least in ##c [00:51] is that a language i don't know? [00:51] it's C [00:51] or the successor of c#? ;) [00:51] lol [00:51] hahah [00:51] okies [00:51] well it's all opensource [00:51] for sure [00:52] so you can try to even fix that bug yourself [00:52] theoretically [00:52] i could. one day [00:52] depends on how comfortable you are reading other ppls code [00:52] etc [00:52] probably not today [00:52] hehe [00:52] yeah, probably not [00:52] btw, how does the desktop crash exactly? [00:52] i'm rather busy at the moment. i've squandered so much time [00:52] well [00:52] BillyZane: just a question, is the file that you are editing in the IDE that it wants to re-read, on a remote file-system or on the local harddisk? [00:53] i clicked and immediately after clicking, it was a complete lock, outside of CTRL-ALT-DEL and CTRL-ALT-F# [00:53] local hard disk [00:53] k [00:53] sounds harsh for an IDE to lock down X11 [00:53] but it can happen with any app theoretically [00:53] i got a lot to learn [00:54] i'm reading a linux book [00:54] it's not a fully fledged IDE, but you can try geany [00:54] it's lightweight and nice for coding [00:54] geany eh. i'll look in to that [00:54] i sorta like codeblocks though :( [00:54] (although "lightweight"... there are ppl who advocate geany-light) [00:54] but maybe this one will be better [00:54] checking out screen shot [00:55] it looks pretty good [00:55] i presume it is in the repository [00:56] yeah, i just checked their website [00:56] it's written in c++ [00:56] i love linux. man i was really stunned when i saw the repository in action [00:56] and it supports gdb (http://www.codeblocks.org/features) [00:56] so have fun googling your way around gdb to getting a backtrace ;) [00:56] i did an apt-cache search, it's in there :D [00:57] (disclaimer: open terminal, run "gdb $appname", then "run", then "bt" after it crashes) [00:57] installing [00:57] yeah, geany is nice, and from my experience it's rather stable [00:57] hm, codeblocks still uses svn [00:57] oh, i recognize gdb now. gdb is part of the "g package" , like gcc , etc. gdb debugs [00:58] never used it exclusively [00:58] i think though, it is activated when using gcc no? [00:58] svn? [00:58] is that a different debugging tool? [00:58] oh wow, geany really is light weight [00:58] svn is a version-control software, like git [00:58] it looked instantly [00:59] sure, that's how it's _supposed_ to be anyway ;) [00:59] err. loaded [00:59] yeah, i assumed that much [00:59] i gotta head for work soon [00:59] i work in a shoe store [00:59] you mean like al bundy? [01:00] haha [01:00] yeah [01:00] (or are you too young for this kind of pop-cultural reference) [01:00] obviously not :) [01:00] why xubuntu desktop install needs 4.3GB, when in uses less after install. GUI installer just dumbly refuses to install if there is less on disk. [01:00] i love that show [01:00] well have fun and see you around [01:00] no wait, i can still chat [01:00] it takes me about 25 minutes to drive there, i still got an hour [01:00] and i'm dressed [01:00] nikolam: ubuntu and xubuntu use the same installer (ubiquity) [01:01] nikolam: that might be part of the problem [01:01] and alternate install is no more. so xubuntu suffer from ubuntu slaws [01:02] a 4.3 gb drive being the other [01:02] it is logical, who am i to complain. [01:02] BillyZane: when I google ' codeblocks freeze ' i find some reports similar to your problem. have you checked them? [01:02] David-A: actually, i haven't. i can't believe that :( [01:02] nikolam: you can always install ubuntu-minimal/server and then install xubuntu-desktop... [01:03] ochosi, i just did that this evening, and after that 12.10 failed to boot. [01:03] i added xubuntu-desktop during install.. and no boot. [01:04] i could try with minimal install. and after booting adding xubuntu desktop [01:04] yup [01:04] but i think i was already doing it at least once, few montths ago. [01:05] no other, but to try again [01:05] did you file a bugreport? [01:06] not yet, but bugs don't get fixed untill next release anyway [01:06] BillyZane: if google didn't help please come back. if it helped, please come back anyway, and tell us how you fixed it, or just chat a little. [01:06] think gonna sleep and do it all over again with minimal. [01:07] nikolam: k, good night and good luck [01:07] David-A: to be honest, I believe you. If you say codeblocks causes that error, then I'll probably just stop using it. It's not that big a loss, because I was suggested an alternative, which is geany. To be honest, I rather prefer the light weight IDE's, which is what attracted me to codeblocks in the first place. given that geany appears even lighter, i'm delighted :). thank you, and i will return [01:10] i'm having green tea with lemon. it's quite good [01:10] BillyZane: I didn't tell you not to use codeblock. If there is an easy fix, please try it. Otherwise try something else. [01:10] for sure [01:10] I had green tea with lemon an hour ago. I like it too. [01:10] haha, really? [01:11] i like to put a lot of lemon, half a lemon per cup [01:11] Yea, before that Earl Grey [01:11] nice. i've only had earl grey once [01:12] BillyZane: you're a connesour, I just had a tea bag with all the tastes in it from the factory. [01:12] haha [01:13] i think it goes very well with lime juice [01:13] though i've been using lemon lately [01:14] it's ironic because i've always hated green tea that comes in the can [01:14] but i gave the fresh brewed variety a try and i realized what the big deal was [01:16] do you like black tea? [01:17] I thought adding the lime or lemon myself would be unnecessary extra work, almost like compiling a kernel or something, when someone else already have done it for me :) [01:17] haha [01:18] that's one way to look at it [01:18] and if you enjoy the flavor, well i suppose it's not worth the hastle [01:19] hassle [01:19] have you ever tried making lemonade ? [01:19] water + fresh lemon juice + sugar + ice [01:20] it's very cheap and extremely good [01:20] did you know lemon trees fruit year round? you'd always have a fresh supply of lemons [01:20] i gotta go to work now [01:21] thanks for the help David-A and ochosi [01:21] i'll see you later [01:21] there is concentrated lemonade you just add water, I like them [01:21] yw, and hf [01:21] good luck with the ide [01:21] you gotta try the real stuff David-A ! [01:21] thanks [01:21] I will [01:22] we can talk about wild berries another day === Moniker is now known as Guest80561 [02:11] Hi. So I burned a live CD and I changed my boot order [02:11] And the Xubuntu menu came up. [02:12] I tried both the install Xubuntu and try it without installing [02:13] but all I am getting is a blank cursor [02:13] Hello! [02:13] Guest80561: depending on hardware it can take seconds or minutes. how long did you wait? [02:14] I'm not speak english! I'm from Brazil! [02:15] hello eduardo, I saw you yesterday (yo vista ti dia antes (?)) [02:15] I'm speak Portuguese Brazil not Español! [02:15] :D [02:16] Alguém aqui fala português? [02:16] I'm need help with Xubuntu! [02:17] Ops! I need help with Xubuntu! [02:17] there's !pt or !br if that'll help [02:17] !br [02:17] Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. [02:18] ubottu: Thanks! [02:18] You're welcome! But keep in mind I'm just a bot ;-) [02:19] eduardo: you can try english here, we will be glad to help, or you can try portugese in the #ubuntu-br channel, they may be able to help with Xubuntu too. [02:20] The Brazilian community can not help me! [02:20] How do I upgrade the kernel? [02:21] Someone? [02:21] eduardo: upgrade kernel would be the same procedure in ubuntu and xubuntu. [02:23] eduardo: exactly what do you mean by upgrade kernel? normally when a new kernel is available, it will be updated automatically when you run the Update Manager. [02:24] you can have a look in backports for a new kernel [02:25] Is that my version do kernel it is outdated! The version do kernel in site (kernel.org) is 3.7 and the my is the 3.5 [02:27] Sorry my English! I'm from Brazil and not speak English fluently! [02:30] eduardo: xubuntu doesn't release a new kernel just because there is one [02:30] they make sure it is stable which means waiting a bit [02:35] eduardo: do you NEED kernel 3.7 ? (necesidad o just curioso?) [02:38] yes [02:39] Someone know where find a course of English? (laughs) [02:40] eduardo: you can get the sources for the newest kernel and build it yourself [02:40] !compile [02:40] Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first). Also read !checkinstall [02:40] !kernel [02:40] The core of Ubuntu is the Linux kernel: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel - You shouldn't have to compile your own, and if you need to troubleshoot issues, you can try a !Mainline kernel instead, but if you insist, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile (see also !Stages) [03:28] could someone tell me... how i could access the filesystem from a live usb install, from my regular install? [03:29] it has been encrypted on my usb [03:29] methinks [06:54] hello [06:55] how long does it take for xubuntu 12.04 alt. to install on 512 MB of RAM and 1.8 GHz AMD processor? [06:56] im not sure, 30 min aprox? [06:56] depends on HDD too [06:58] and USB-Stick or CD-Rom as Source [07:00] CD-ROM [07:01] its going on 30 minutes and its on select and install software [07:01] 48 % [07:03] its a hp pavilion ze4325us [07:03] not sure on the hard drive [07:03] let it run [07:03] ok [07:04] thats a very small amount of ram [07:04] does it auto restart? [07:04] so it will take some time [07:04] ok [07:04] it will ask you to do so [07:04] ok [07:04] so I can leave it and it will shutdown, or does it make you rpess enter? [07:04] press* [07:05] it will go to sleep until you return to press restart [07:05] ahh ok, I will have my parents do it [07:05] ok thanks for your time bazhang [07:06] np [07:06] howdy chaps [07:06] hi [07:06] i've got a bizarre problem, my themes are no longer applied [07:06] until i restart my computer [07:07] unless I change the theme under window manager settings, but then it only(obviously) affects window manager stuff [07:07] while the panel remains stubborn [07:07] depends on how extensive the theming is [07:07] not extensive at all [07:07] vanilla themes [07:08] if its like a Macbuntu thing I could see a restart being necessary [07:08] not macbuntu either [07:09] and the bizarre thing is that if i do xfce4-panel -r [07:09] the theme remains unchanged, so if anyone could give me a pointer on where to look, that would be fantastic [07:10] You are changing it under Settings Manager > Appearance, right? [07:11] correct [07:12] Version of Xubuntu? [07:13] Hmmm, it's telling me I'm running Ubuntu 12.10 [07:14] but I migrated it to xubuntu [07:14] perhaps that's my problem? [07:15] Mine says that too, Ubuntu is the core. Did you use !purexfce ? And what happens if you nuke ~/.cache and move (backup) .config? [07:15] I have no issues doing what you're trying to do, just did it when I updated my theme. [07:15] Is the theme gtk3 and 2 compatible? [07:16] i have nuked my config already [07:16] and the theme is vanilla [07:16] it was working [07:16] until recently, and I'm not exactly sure what broke it [07:17] and it's not just one theme, it's every theme [07:19] alright, prior to nuking .cache, should I back it up? or is it as disposable as the name implies? [07:21] brb, restarting [07:26] none of that fixed it [07:30] any further suggestions unit193? [07:34] You are running with xfwm4, thunar, xfce4-session, xfdesktop, and all? [07:34] I am [07:34] Maybe try restarting those, but I don't know as I've never had any issue like that. [07:35] yeah [07:35] now it's working [07:35] didn't restart them [07:35] not sure what happened [07:35] possibly voodoo? [07:36] Ah, was going to say try moving ~/.gtkrc-2.0, but alrightyo. [07:36] yeah, i don't even have .gtkrc-* [07:36] Heh. [07:38] I'm darn near perplexed [07:38] But, if it works... [07:40] I guess I need to make more sacrifices in the name of Baron Samedi [09:13] Hello world! [09:13] I have a question for Xubuntu [09:13] Can I have Open Office on Xubuntu ? [09:13] yes [09:14] Thanks [09:14] How to download ? [09:15] (sorry for my english) [09:15] Cubi_: just use the software center and install libre office [09:15] libre office = open office ? [09:16] basically, yes [09:16] Ok Thanks :D [09:16] sudo apt-get install libreoffice [09:17] it is basically the same as Open Office [09:17] You could always just use AbiWord that is already installed with Xubuntu for word processing though [09:18] if you need a spreadsheet program try gnumeric [09:18] I download on software center [09:18] sudo apt-get install gnumeric [09:18] yes, yoiu can get both from software centre [09:19] I install xubuntu yesterday [09:19] yoiu = you [09:19] great, it's an excellent OS [09:20] I use Xubuntu for my study [09:21] It's fast OS [09:21] nice, it is a very fast and stable operating system [09:21] yes :) [09:22] Thanks for Help :D [09:22] you're welcome [09:23] You speak French ? [09:23] not really, sorry [09:23] there is a french channel [09:23] !fr [09:23] Nous sommes désolés, mais ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en français, veuillez taper /join #ubuntu-fr ou /join #ubuntu-qc. Merci. [09:24] thanks never use IRC before ^^ [09:24] you can reach the french channel ok Cubi_ ? [09:25] ok thanks I will go [09:25] have fun with Xubuntu! [09:25] don't have to... [09:25] Thanks all ! [09:25] cheers [10:38] hai everybody .. [10:38] i wanna add arabic to my xubuntu. what can i do? [10:44] Arabic keyboard layout? [10:45] deejayldn: yes, he want to change easily into arabic layout. [10:47] Click the Xubuntu Logo in the top left [10:47] Settings manager [10:47] Keyboard [10:47] Layout [10:47] Click the Add button [10:48] and then select arabic from the list [10:48] does that work for you? [10:50] sealman / Malsasa does that work for changing your keyboard layout? [10:51] deejayldn: thank you, let my brother sealman try it :) [10:52] no problem, let me know if you need more help [10:53] deejayldn: wow, please keep this so kind support for further newbies like us... thank you... [10:59] i dont find arabic to be marked, just russian and english.. [11:08] is there some one line ? [11:08] i [11:09] Shark: Hi what's up? [11:09] hi ... can you help me? [11:09] Nice, [11:09] yes, i think [11:10] ubuntu 12.04 and then i installed XFCE. in unity there is arabic but in XFCE i dont find it.. [11:10] Man, how i change the rat icon, i'm thinking in replace it to a backtrack icon, ? [11:10] Restart it, [11:11] i dont understand... [11:11] what ? [11:11] restart it? [11:12] moetunes : how i can change the icon ? idon't like the rat icon [11:12] sealman: there was no choice for arabic in the keyboard layout settings? [11:12] moetunes: yeah... [11:12] Shark: which icon where? [11:12] there is, [11:13]