[00:00] <apachelogger> yofel: my local daemon uses 4mib
[00:00] <apachelogger> ...
[00:00] <yofel> mumble allocated 247m of VIRT mem, and OpenVZ is retarded
[00:00] <apachelogger> fun
[00:00] <apachelogger> anywho afk
[00:00]  * Darkwing kicks mumble
[00:01] <shadeslayer> EC2!!
[00:01] <apachelogger> Darkwing: when you connect, contextmenu yourself and register
[00:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: make it happen
[00:01] <apachelogger> I reckon we can simply bundle up the sqlite db and deploy it anywhere :P
[00:01] <shadeslayer> do you have to register everytime?
[00:01] <shadeslayer> erm
[00:01] <shadeslayer> s/everytime//
[00:01] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[00:02] <Darkwing> BBIAB
[00:03]  * shadeslayer installs mumble-server to try it out
[00:03] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: once
[00:03] <shadeslayer> oic
[00:04] <apachelogger> ACLs require registration
[00:04] <apachelogger> a regular visitor would not need to register
[00:04] <apachelogger> now really afk :P
[00:04] <shadeslayer> I think it should be simple enough if we can make a db and then store it in a location where mumble can pick it up
[00:06] <yofel> meh, need to restart this thing again (to see if ulimit -v has an effect on it)
[00:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://jujucharms.com/charms/precise/mumble-server
[00:07] <shadeslayer> juju it
[00:09] <murthy> apachelogger: this is the target branch for tomahawk lp:~blue-shell/tomahawk/tomahawk-ubuntu    ?
[00:11] <apachelogger> nah kubuntu needs a nu branch
[00:11] <apachelogger> which would be branched from that one  I reckon
[00:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: how does access the django interface?
[00:11] <apachelogger> don't need it
[00:11] <yofel> you don't right now. before wsgi was running out of memory
[00:12] <murthy> apachelogger: so what will the target branch for my merge request?
[00:12] <shadeslayer> oh k
[00:12] <yofel> now it seems like I managed to cage it into ~90M
[00:13] <shadeslayer> I don't see documentation which will allow 2 mumble servers to talk to each other :(
[00:14] <apachelogger> what for?
[00:14] <shadeslayer> well, we can setup 2 servers 2 distribute load
[00:14] <apachelogger> murthy: dunno
[00:14] <apachelogger> just create one somewhere
[00:14] <apachelogger> we'll branch that one then
[00:14] <yofel> shadeslayer: it creates virtually 0 load
[00:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: taht won't work
[00:15] <yofel> except bandwidth
[00:15] <shadeslayer> yofel: network wise?
[00:15] <yofel> and you can't balance that
[00:15] <shadeslayer> yeah, that's what I meant by 'load' :P
[00:15] <shadeslayer> I see
[00:15] <murthy> apachelogger: ok
[00:15] <shadeslayer> also, latency is going to be batshit crazy for me :P
[00:15] <shadeslayer> if we use the buyvm servers
[00:16] <yofel> it's a test for now, we can shift to something more professional once we know it works
[00:16] <shadeslayer> yeah
[00:16] <yofel> just run it inside something that's not managed by OpenVZ
[00:17] <shadeslayer> heh
[00:19] <murthy> apachelogger: the homepage url in debian/control is empty for tomahawk , shall i leave it empty or shall i update it with http://www.tomahawk-player.org/   ?
[00:21] <shadeslayer> please update it
[00:21] <murthy> ok
[00:23] <apachelogger> totally found my headphones
[00:23] <apachelogger> yofel: did you do audio testing?
[00:23] <yofel> darkwing just said something which was understandable
[00:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the actual mumble client is also not too reliable for me :P
[00:24] <yofel> I just set the bandwidth limit above client max. on the server - will need a murmurd restart though
[00:24] <apachelogger> gets all confused when switching around in the audio wiz ^^
[00:24] <shadeslayer> :S
[00:24] <apachelogger> yofel: feel free to restart
[00:25] <apachelogger> so I think mumble's the awesome
[00:26] <apachelogger> uh
[00:26] <apachelogger> segfault in pulse
[00:26] <apachelogger> oh my
[00:27] <shadeslayer> dude
[00:27] <shadeslayer> jabber conferences?
[00:28] <apachelogger> isn't that texty?
[00:28] <shadeslayer> but iirc it also supports calls no?
[00:28] <shadeslayer> http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/Muji
[00:28] <yofel> do we have a working jabber client?
[00:28] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing mumble-django (--purge):
[00:28] <apachelogger>  subprocess installed post-removal script returned error exit status 128
[00:28] <apachelogger> lawl
[00:28] <shadeslayer> yeah :P
[00:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and that scales?
[00:29] <shadeslayer> idk
[00:29] <shadeslayer> that's p2p
[00:29] <shadeslayer> they have a sample client here : http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/wiki/MujiDemoClient
[00:29] <apachelogger> sounds like it aint scaling :P
[00:29] <shadeslayer> try eet
[00:30] <apachelogger> is that a spaceship?
[00:32] <apachelogger> yofel: u there?
[00:32] <yofel> yes
[00:32] <apachelogger> u no hear me?
[00:33]  * apachelogger now listening to TV with yofel :D
[00:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: come join the fun
[00:34] <shadeslayer> Don't have no headphones
[00:34] <shadeslayer> people sleeping 
[00:34] <shadeslayer> maybe tomorrow
[00:34] <apachelogger> also pretty neato... when you move into AFK it automutes
[00:34] <apachelogger> <- master with the ACL
[00:34] <shadeslayer> oh and android cloning
[00:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ACL?
[00:35] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp acl
[00:35] <kubotu> Results for acl: 1. Anterior cruciate ligament - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_cruciate_ligament | 2. Access control list - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Access_control_list | 3. ACL - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACL
[00:35] <kubotu> [1] The anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) is a cruciate ligament which is one of the four major ligaments of the human knee. In the quadruped stifle (analogous to the knee), based on its anatomical position, it is also referred to as the cranial cruciate ligament.[1]
[00:35] <apachelogger> number two
[00:35] <shadeslayer> I see
[00:36] <shadeslayer> kubotu: wp acl 2
[00:36] <kubotu> no results found for 2
[00:36] <shadeslayer> heh
[00:36] <apachelogger> that works somehow
[00:36] <apachelogger> help wikipedia
[00:36] <apachelogger> ~help wikipedia
[00:36] <kubotu> no help for topic wikipedia
[00:36] <apachelogger> pff
[00:36] <shadeslayer> :P
[00:36] <apachelogger> ~help wp
[00:36] <kubotu> search <string> (or: google <string>) => search google for <string> | ddg <string> to search DuckDuckGo | wp <string> => search for <string> on Wikipedia | wa <string> => search for <string> on WolframAlpha | unpedia <string> => search for <string> on Uncyclopedia
[00:36] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[00:36] <shadeslayer> not
[00:37] <apachelogger> amarok is not social enough
[00:37] <apachelogger> can't listen along with people
[00:37] <apachelogger> saving me the trouble of having to find sensible music :P
[00:37] <shadeslayer> yofel: is this setup on the openvz server?
[00:38] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[00:38] <shadeslayer> tomorrow I have no computer
[00:38] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah, and I'm still fighting memory
[00:38] <shadeslayer> heh
[00:38] <yofel> might move it later if I don't find a solution for this
[00:38] <shadeslayer> I can give you a EC2 instance to work on
[00:38] <shadeslayer> need to figure out how to launch one in Europe though
[00:39] <apachelogger> lol, wp supports language but no result selection
[00:39] <apachelogger> kubotu: wp de autobahn
[00:39] <kubotu> Results for autobahn: 1. Autobahn Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn | 2. Autobahn NingboJinhua Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn_Ningbo%E2%80%93Jinhua | 3. Autobahn WenzhouLishui Wikipedia: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobahn_Wenzhou%E2%80%93Lishui
[00:39] <kubotu> [1] Eine Autobahn ist eine Fernverkehrsstraße, die ausschließlich dem Schnellverkehr und dem Güterfernverkehr mit Kraftfahrzeugen dient. Sie besteht im Normalfall aus zwei Richtungsfahrbahnen mit jeweils mehreren Fahrstreifen. Deutsche Autobahnen sind seit längerem mit mindestens zwei Fahrstreifen pro Richtungsfahrbahn versehen. In der Regel ist auch ein zusätzlicher Seitenstreifen (auch Standstreifen oder Pa...
[00:39] <shadeslayer> heh
[00:40] <bkerensa> kubotu: wp cohesion 
[00:40] <kubotu> Results for cohesion: 1. Cohesion (chemistry) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohesion_(chemistry) | 2. Cohesion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohesion | 3. Cohesion (computer science) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cohesion_(computer_science)
[00:40] <kubotu> [1] Cohesion (n. lat. cohaerere "stick or stay together") or Cohesive attraction or Cohesive force is the action or property of molecules sticking together, being mutually attractive. This is an intrinsic property of a substance that is caused by the shape and structure of its molecules which makes the distribution of orbiting electrons irregular when molecules get close to one another, creating electrical at...
[00:40] <apachelogger> murthy: do you have a branchy yet?
[00:40] <apachelogger> and suddenly the lurkers become active :D
[00:40] <apachelogger> we should do more flood ^^
[00:40]  * bkerensa runs and hides
[00:40] <yofel> ok
[00:40] <yofel> ulimit -mv 64000 and it seems to behave itself
[00:41] <apachelogger> spooky
[00:41] <apachelogger> wonder if that holds up when 30 people connect
[00:41] <shadeslayer> ^
[00:41] <yofel> RES is like 9M, just virt goes up like crazy by default
[00:42] <apachelogger> they have decent docs, perhaps they know why
[00:43] <yofel> ulimit -mv 128000 now. That should work I guess
[00:43] <shadeslayer> :S
[00:54] <murthy> apachelogger:  new branch for tomahawk with updated debian/copyright lp:~murthy/tomahawk/tomahawk-ubuntu
[00:58] <murthy> yofel: i cannot package a new version after 13.04 feature freeze?
[00:58] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/c/Fwq6SVzX in case someone wants to handle that
[00:59] <yofel> murthy: you can, but you'll need to go with http://assets.minecraft.net/13w09a/minecraft.jar
[00:59] <yofel> erm............
[00:59] <yofel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess
[00:59] <murthy> ha ha ha
[01:00] <murthy> yofel: so normally we can't right?
[01:01] <apachelogger> yofel clearly si about to minecraft away
[01:01] <apachelogger> when's future freeze?
[01:01] <apachelogger> <- too lazy to check
[01:02] <yofel> next thursday
[01:02] <murthy>  6 mar
[01:03] <apachelogger> that's wed
[01:03] <yofel> 7th https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RaringRingtail/ReleaseSchedule
[01:03] <murthy> sorry 7 march
[01:04] <murthy> i am clouded by my own deadline
[01:05] <murthy> apachelogger: ok with the new branch and changes?
[01:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: ping
[01:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: how do I check if mumble was setup correctly
[01:06] <yofel> if you're connected and your audio setup works you're fine
[01:06] <yofel> or do you mean the server?
[01:07] <murthy> yofel: lazr.delegates, mpich, node-oauth, telepathy-ring,  texi2html. Do you want any of these latest versions of packages to be in 13.04 
[01:07] <shadeslayer> the server
[01:08] <yofel> if you did all the setup steps and can connect to it, it should work
[01:08] <yofel> set superuser password with 'murmurd -supw <pw>'
[01:09] <yofel> then you can do the setup from the client
[01:11] <apachelogger> murthy: havent looked at it
[01:11] <apachelogger> it's on the todo
[01:11] <murthy> apachelogger: ok
[01:12] <shadeslayer> :/
[01:12] <murthy> when is the online uds ?
[01:13] <shadeslayer> it just hangs at the connect dialog
[01:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: I am not sure that there would be sizable testing exposure difference between landing pre releases in a PPA (as to not put into rolling) and having them in a pre-release of our own product
[01:14] <apachelogger> either way the user is opting to get pre-release software
[01:16] <apachelogger> if anything adding a beta ppa to rolling would be more encouraging as it's easier
[01:17] <apachelogger> also to repeat myself... that is essentially what gentoo has
[01:17] <shadeslayer> yofel: and how does one add a user?
[01:18] <apachelogger> they need to register
[01:18] <apachelogger> right click user -> register
[01:18] <apachelogger> i.e. the username is then tied to a uuid
[01:18] <apachelogger> without the uuid you could not really do stuff
[01:18] <shadeslayer> right click where?
[01:18] <apachelogger> the user
[01:19] <shadeslayer> dude
[01:19] <shadeslayer> it asks for a username
[01:19] <yofel> what do you want to add a user for?
[01:19] <shadeslayer> when adding a new server
[01:19] <apachelogger> what where?
[01:19] <apachelogger> wtf?
[01:19] <yofel> shadeslayer: just set one?
[01:19] <apachelogger> just pick any
[01:19] <shadeslayer> oh, doesn't matter?
[01:19] <apachelogger> it's really a nickname
[01:19] <shadeslayer> I see
[01:19] <shadeslayer> something is rong then
[01:19] <shadeslayer> *wrong
[01:19] <apachelogger> only upon registering with the server does it become a username
[01:20] <shadeslayer> eh, what's this review request on im-config
[01:20] <apachelogger> renamed binary I think
[01:20] <apachelogger> bug 1076975
[01:21] <shadeslayer> ah
[01:21] <shadeslayer> so I'm just sleepy
[01:21] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:21] <apachelogger> well
[01:21] <apachelogger> right now we have no UI ties anyway
[01:21] <apachelogger> so whatever :P
[01:21] <shadeslayer> 6:50 AM] Connecting to server ec2-54-235-6-45.compute-1.amazonaws.com.
[01:21] <shadeslayer> [6:51 AM] Server connection failed: Connection timed out.
[01:24] <apachelogger> u doing it wrong it appears :P
[01:26] <shadeslayer> nmap says only ssh is open
[01:27] <yofel> is murmurd even running?
[01:27] <shadeslayer> yep
[01:27] <shadeslayer> 107       7022  0.0  0.5 356004  9368 ?        Sl   01:10   0:00 /usr/sbin/murmurd -ini /etc/mumble-server.ini
[01:30] <shadeslayer> eh
2013-03-01 01:30:30.205 SQL Error [INSERT INTO `channels` (`server_id`, `channel_id`, `parent_id`, `name`) VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?)]: unable to open database file Unable to fetch row
[01:33] <yofel> lol
[01:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer is a leet haxx0r
[01:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you even dpkg-config it?
[01:34] <apachelogger> I think that creates the db
[01:35] <shadeslayer> hmm, nope, I assumed the charm set that up :/
[01:35] <apachelogger> ah you are using charm
[01:35] <apachelogger> dunno then :P
[01:35] <shadeslayer> yus
[01:36] <Darkwing> is there another mumble server with ppl talking? :P
[01:37] <apachelogger> no, shadeslayer doesn't know how to use juju
[01:37] <apachelogger> also I should go to bed
[01:37] <Darkwing> ahhh
[01:37] <apachelogger> but somehow I ended up having 300000000000000000000000 windows open
[01:37] <Darkwing> Yeah. It's getting late there.
[01:38] <apachelogger> and as many tasks I started
[01:38] <Darkwing> I need to nominate myself on the lists.
[01:38] <apachelogger> nominate for what?
[01:38] <Darkwing> council
[01:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plz be nominating Darkwing :P
[01:39] <apachelogger> it's very classy to be proxy-nominated
[01:39] <apachelogger> is that even a word
[01:39] <Darkwing> lol I was going to do it myself but if someone wants to do it for me I'm not going to complain. It might look like someone likes me though.
[01:39] <apachelogger> let's go with posh, posh is a good word
[01:39] <Darkwing> I like posh. I'm from the US and I like Posh
[01:40] <apachelogger> ur weird
[01:40] <apachelogger> :P
[01:40] <Darkwing> Come on apachelogger... You know that I'm not a normal USA person.
[01:41] <apachelogger> do I know normal ones?
[01:41]  * Darkwing snickers
[01:42] <apachelogger> Oo
[01:42] <apachelogger> lol
[01:42] <shadeslayer> mmmm snickers
[01:42] <apachelogger> I started today by trying to work on phonon
[01:42] <apachelogger> I broke the build, then I got interrupted
[01:42]  * apachelogger needs to turn off notifications or something
[01:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh by ze ways
[01:43] <apachelogger> did you test master-p4q5?
[01:43] <shadeslayer> nope
[01:43] <apachelogger> go test master-p4q5 plz
[01:44] <shadeslayer> bleh
[01:44] <Quintasan> like
[01:44] <Quintasan> Can I nomintate Darkwing?
[01:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: will have no computer for the next 2 days
[01:44] <apachelogger> that goes into master than I rip out shite then we branch again, then we release
[01:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I'd very much appreciate that
[01:44] <Darkwing> I feel loved
[01:44] <Quintasan> Can I nominate logger?
[01:44] <apachelogger> Quintasan: I'd offer alcohols at UDS but there is no UDS anymore pluz you'd not get no drinkery in the US of A
[01:44] <apachelogger> also no nominating the logger
[01:45] <shadeslayer> someone nominate the slayer so I can overthrow the logger
[01:45] <Quintasan> >pluz you'd not get no drinkery in the US of A
[01:45] <Quintasan> lol yeah sure
[01:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer didn't
[01:45] <apachelogger> and shadeslayer's like old
[01:45] <shadeslayer> yeah ^
[01:45] <shadeslayer> yeah :(
[01:45] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: they asked for my id
[01:46] <shadeslayer> I did have a drink in the US of A though
[01:46] <shadeslayer> after my 21st birthday :P
[01:46] <apachelogger> meanwhile I got a drink with my fake id
[01:46] <Quintasan> ...
[01:46] <Darkwing> 21 for drinks is just dumb.
[01:46] <shadeslayer> rofl
[01:46] <shadeslayer> Darkwing: it's 25 in Delhi/NCR
[01:46] <shadeslayer> i.e. where I live
[01:46] <Darkwing> dumb.
[01:46] <Quintasan> and here I thought I would get in moral trouble if I said Riddell got me one
[01:46] <shadeslayer> but no one cares
[01:46] <shadeslayer> actually
[01:46] <apachelogger> Darkwing: you'd think so
[01:47] <shadeslayer> some of them do
[01:47] <shadeslayer> but most of them don't
[01:47] <Quintasan> Darkwing: report logger for faking ids :P
[01:47] <shadeslayer> ^
[01:47] <Darkwing> HAHAHHAHAHAHA
[01:47] <apachelogger> but with today's kids I am not so sure about that
[01:47] <Darkwing> I had a few fake IDs in my day
[01:47] <shadeslayer> anyway
[01:47] <Darkwing> Not that I need them at 30 anymore.
[01:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: cannot test, disk is failing, must get it replaced today
[01:47] <Quintasan> Darkwing: I bet you still keep them around :P
[01:47] <shadeslayer> 180 bad sectors
[01:48] <apachelogger> i.e. in austria and germany it has become common practise to drink until you pass out
[01:48] <Darkwing> Quintasan: only to make myself younger
[01:48] <apachelogger> ... amongst the youngsters
[01:48] <Quintasan> Darkwing: That's what I assumed
[01:48] <shadeslayer> exhausted my limit of reallocation of bad sectors
[01:48] <Darkwing> Quintasan: 30 isn't old
[01:48] <apachelogger> Quintasan: all the cool kids have fake ids in the US of A
[01:48] <Quintasan> Did I say that at any point?
[01:48] <Quintasan> apachelogger: implying I actually care about that :P
[01:49] <Darkwing> apachelogger: Not just the kids... fake IDs are popular for wonment in their 40s trying to be in their 30s still
[01:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: u not cool enough
[01:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: wow
[01:49] <Quintasan> that's even better
[01:49] <Quintasan> implying I care
[01:49] <Quintasan> :D
[01:49] <apachelogger> Darkwing: that actually seems even more useful ^^
[01:49] <Darkwing> apachelogger: it makes them feel better about themselves
[01:50] <Quintasan> It's not like your mind knows how old are you, is it?
[01:50] <apachelogger> :O
[01:50] <apachelogger> actually
[01:50] <apachelogger> you'd be surprise how easy it is to forget one's age
[01:50] <apachelogger> i.e. I dunno mine
[01:50] <apachelogger> somwhere >10 <30
[01:50]  * yofel thought it's the minds purpose to convince you of something far from reality
[01:50] <Quintasan> Does forgetting about one's brithday count as well?
[01:50] <yofel> happens
[01:51] <apachelogger> not quite the same thing
[01:51]  * apachelogger forgot his birthday last year
[01:51] <apachelogger> was all like waaaah
[01:51] <Quintasan> Well, last year I woke up, my sisters wished me happy birthday and I was like WTF
[01:51] <yofel> hm, that doesn't *change* though
[01:51] <Quintasan> It's not my bday yet is i...oh shit.
[01:52] <apachelogger> yofel: he meant forgetting that it is your birthday
[01:52] <apachelogger> not the date
[01:52] <apachelogger> although I also often have trouble remembering that
[01:52] <yofel> oh
[01:52] <apachelogger> takes me a couple of seconds usually ^^
[01:52] <yofel> well, you usually notice it if something's different from the other 364 days of the year
[01:53] <Quintasan> Do I nominate Darkwings on ml or this new stuff we are using?
[01:53] <yofel> ML
[01:53] <yofel> read the ML
[01:53] <apachelogger> ml
[01:53] <apachelogger> yeah
[01:53] <apachelogger> read the ml
[01:53] <Quintasan> >read
[01:53] <Quintasan> you mean ctrl+a ctrl+r?
[01:53]  * Quintasan hides
[01:53] <apachelogger> though I can make you a trello card to nominate Darkwing
[01:53] <apachelogger> also one to read the ml
[01:53] <apachelogger> maybe it helps
[01:54] <Quintasan> if you think I'm not going to mark the latter as done after doing ctrl+a ctrl+r then I have bad news for you
[01:55] <yofel> Quintasan: if you do that we'll force you to read that nice thread on ubuntu-devel from today
[01:55] <Quintasan> nice thread?
[01:55] <apachelogger> eh
[01:55] <apachelogger> thread*S*
[01:55] <Quintasan> sorry, I usually avoid spam lists yofel :P
[01:55] <apachelogger> one was not enough
[01:55] <apachelogger> we had to have 5
[01:55] <apachelogger> :@
[01:56] <apachelogger> and I actually read 'em
[01:56] <Quintasan> I so can
[01:56] <Quintasan> I so can't see you doing that
[01:56] <apachelogger> and it was like canonical employee: yay; kubuntu contributor: fuuuuu; others: meh;
[01:56] <yofel> Quintasan: well, I'll let you off easy if you nominate me :P
[01:56] <Quintasan> What are we talking about?
[01:57]  * apachelogger nominates Quintasan
[01:57]  * yofel agrees with apachelogger
[01:57] <Quintasan> LOL
[01:57] <Quintasan> OKAY
[01:57] <Quintasan> DO IT
[01:57] <apachelogger> ACTUALLTLY
[01:57] <apachelogger> no
[01:57] <Quintasan> DO IT
[01:57] <Quintasan> I DARE YOU
[01:57] <apachelogger> Quintasan is a worse uni slacker than shadeslayer was
[01:57] <Quintasan> Darkwing: ^^
[01:57] <Quintasan> DOOOOOO EEEEEEEEEEEEET
[01:58] <shadeslayer> sigh
[01:58] <shadeslayer> gmail ate that email as well
[01:58] <Quintasan> look who is here :D
[01:59] <apachelogger> it will be all like "yo, Quintasan we need you to approve JR travelling to france to get us a support company" - "notime, gotta do exams, no travels for JR"
[01:59] <Quintasan> s/JR/apachelogger and only then the statement will be accurate
[01:59] <Quintasan> :P
[02:00] <apachelogger> then JR will be all sad and cry and I'll have to coup Quintasan and the council out of office, establish a beloved dictatorship and stuff
[02:00] <apachelogger> being dictator is hard work, so I'd rather avoid that
[02:00] <Quintasan> Like hell that will happen!
[02:00]  * Quintasan banhammmers apachelogger
[02:00] <apachelogger> hm
[02:01] <apachelogger> watch my powa :P
[02:01] <Quintasan> holy
[02:01] <yofel> . . .
[02:01] <apachelogger> lawl
[02:01] <Quintasan> like hell I'd allow
[02:01] <Quintasan> you
[02:01] <yofel> chicken :D
[02:01] <apachelogger> roflmao
[02:01] <Quintasan> apachelogger: go away or I'm going to send python to you
[02:01] <Darkwing> oh, it works in here too.
[02:02] <Darkwing> that's nice to know.
[02:02] <apachelogger> :O
[02:02] <apachelogger> dude
[02:02] <apachelogger> are you hanging out in kubuntu-offtopic as op and claim you are the president of kubuntu or something?
[02:02] <Darkwing> Si?
[02:02] <Quintasan> yofel: Those were kickban evasive manouvers
[02:02] <Darkwing> I could lol
[02:02] <Quintasan> They can't kick you while you're not here :P
[02:03] <apachelogger> I totally tried that once then people said something along the line of <isn't riddel president> then I got all frurstrated and started using xubuntu for a month or so
[02:03] <yofel> rofl
[02:03] <Quintasan> >apachelogger
[02:03] <Darkwing> I had forgotten that I was on the list for ubuntu devel channel ops
[02:03] <Quintasan> >president of Kubuntu
[02:03] <Quintasan> pick one
[02:03] <apachelogger> it's why I don't hang in -offtopic anymore
[02:03] <apachelogger> them fellas are mean
[02:04] <Quintasan> I mean, even shadeslayer wouldn't fall for that
[02:04] <apachelogger> why is everyone dissin shadeslayer today?
[02:04] <Quintasan> I could actually nominate shadeslayer for Council
[02:05] <yofel> we're tired of dissin you, esp. as you don't even want to run for KC anymore :(
[02:05] <apachelogger> yay
[02:05] <Quintasan> Though if I wasn't actually serious about KC I would nominate apachelogger
[02:05] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'm open to the idea :P
[02:05] <apachelogger> Quintasan appears to be ego jerking everyone
[02:05] <apachelogger> somewhat gross
[02:05] <apachelogger> however
[02:05] <apachelogger> to be fair
[02:05] <yofel> let's do it like this: Quintasan nominates Darkwing, shadeslayer nominates me, I nominate shadeslayer
[02:06] <yofel> everyone's happy
[02:06] <Quintasan> +1
[02:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: you could nominate everyone
[02:06] <apachelogger> or that
[02:06] <apachelogger> but such chain things can go wrong
[02:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan nominating everyone sounds fine
[02:06] <shadeslayer> oh bah
[02:06] <apachelogger> like if shadeslayer refuses to nominate yofel but yofel nominated shadeslayer already
[02:06] <apachelogger> imagine the catfight :S
[02:06] <shadeslayer> I'll have to update wiki
[02:06] <yofel> well, let's leave it to Quintasan then
[02:06] <Quintasan> NOPE.AVI
[02:06] <Quintasan> SO NOT DOING THAT
[02:06] <Darkwing> I sorta updated mine...
[02:07] <Darkwing> wiki.kubuntu.org/DavidWonderly
[02:07] <Quintasan> I nominate Darkwing then
[02:07] <apachelogger> as a registered voter I demand close to empty wiki pages
[02:07] <Quintasan> or I'll just nominate myself and be done with that
[02:07] <apachelogger> also free drinks
[02:07] <apachelogger> in fact
[02:08] <apachelogger> whoever buys me the most drinks will get my vote
[02:08]  * yofel wonders what his wiki page even looks like actually
[02:08] <apachelogger> oi, now I feel easy
[02:08] <yofel> don't really remember it :D
[02:08] <apachelogger> :S
[02:08]  * apachelogger shames away
[02:08] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Since you failed in getting funds for our Ballmer's peak session you get no free drinks
[02:08] <apachelogger> dude
[02:08] <apachelogger> there aint is no ballmer's peak session no moar
[02:08] <Quintasan> inb4ScottK
[02:08] <Darkwing> I'm really getting tired of KMail
[02:08] <yofel> wow, mine's a primary example of being empty
[02:09] <Quintasan> Because you failed, that's why :P
[02:09] <apachelogger> because I succeeded!
[02:09] <Quintasan> in what?
[02:09] <shadeslayer> mine probably still says I'm a student
[02:09] <apachelogger> canonical ran out of monet because of ballmer's peak study
[02:09] <apachelogger> now we canot have no UDS nomoar
[02:09] <Quintasan> I call lies
[02:09] <apachelogger> pff
[02:09] <shadeslayer> zomg no
[02:10] <apachelogger> believe what you want but that is the truth
[02:10] <apachelogger> also the pun on money there was awesome
[02:10] <apachelogger> :S
[02:10]  * apachelogger shames some more
[02:11] <yofel> lol, my kubuntu dev application has more content than my wiki page ^^
[02:11] <yofel> and I have like 0 Testimonials
[02:11]  * yofel feels sad
[02:11]  * Quintasan goes to bed
[02:12] <yofel> now that's a good idea
[02:12] <apachelogger> oh right
[02:12] <apachelogger> wanted to do that too
[02:12] <Quintasan> evertone nominate apachelogger so he has to do something
[02:12] <apachelogger> somehow I opened more windows instead of closing some
[02:12] <apachelogger> Oo
[02:12] <apachelogger> Quintasan: won't accept nomination
[02:20] <bkerensa> no moar uds
[02:20] <bkerensa> :D
[02:21]  * bkerensa slaps Darkwing 
[02:21] <Darkwing> ouch.
[02:21]  * Darkwing slaps bkerensa back
[02:22] <Darkwing> I slap you with a kick but, I don't want to abuse anything :P:P
[02:22] <apachelogger> if this is gettin sexual you are both out
[02:22] <Darkwing> :D
[02:23] <apachelogger> :P
[02:23] <bkerensa> Darkwing: two wrongs dont make a right ;) I win
[02:23] <bkerensa> ;p
[02:23] <apachelogger> "Please comment on the removal of Darkwing in #kubuntu-devel"
[02:23] <bkerensa> heh
[02:23] <Darkwing> HAHAHA
[02:23] <apachelogger> whoops
[02:23] <bkerensa> So I think Kubuntu is going to be my new desktop going forward
[02:23] <bkerensa> no more Unity
[02:24]  * Darkwing cheers
[02:24] <Darkwing> who is bugging you about kicking me apachelogger?
[02:27] <apachelogger> u
[02:32] <Darkwing> jjesse: jjesse-home ping
[02:36] <shadeslayer> zomg
[02:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: deployed
[02:36] <shadeslayer> [8:06 AM] Welcome message: 
[02:36] <shadeslayer> Welcome to this server running Murmur.
[02:36] <shadeslayer> Enjoy your stay!
[02:36] <shadeslayer> \o/
[02:37] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: u running again?
[02:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only took forever
[02:37] <apachelogger> :P
[02:37] <shadeslayer> nah
[02:37] <shadeslayer> port wasn't open
[02:37] <shadeslayer> and juju is dumb
[02:37] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: time for some fresh blood I think
[02:37] <shadeslayer> anyway
[02:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so how do people connect?
[02:38] <apachelogger> "but it cannot be assumed that everyone is perfectly fine with G+ policy; there indeed are people who do their best to avoid any Google products. We are told that IRC sessions will be provided for these who can’t join videos, but that doesn’t do much sense, because it does not differ at all from remote participation in summits which were real meetings"
[02:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you tell em the hosty 
[02:38] <shadeslayer> now the problem is udp
[02:38] <apachelogger> reading planet.ubuntu I get the feeling that I should blog
[02:39] <apachelogger> at the same time I fear it may seem like I am trolling
[02:39] <Darkwing> I'm going to sit on it for a bit before I comment.
[02:39] <apachelogger> see, if I posted "Kubuntu aint forcing no g+, we be using mumble" it would seem trollish
[02:40] <apachelogger> silly situation
[02:40] <bkerensa> Darkwing: Don't sit too long... :)
[02:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's with udp btw
[02:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fixed
[02:41] <apachelogger> and what will you have me do with that instance now?
[02:41] <bkerensa> apachelogger: I suggested they use Kaltura or BigBlueButton both open source platform that does what G+ hangouts do and it was flatly rejected
[02:41] <bkerensa> they just have no interest in community feedback it seems
[02:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dunno, try and make it work
[02:41] <apachelogger> bkerensa: that seems about right
[02:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so that we can use ec2 to do mumble
[02:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's working, no?
[02:41] <shadeslayer> is it?
[02:42] <apachelogger> say something?
[02:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: anything?
[02:42] <apachelogger> usually if you can connect it works
[02:42] <shadeslayer> heh
[02:42] <shadeslayer> well
[02:42] <apachelogger> so I guess you just need to get the db from yofel
[02:42] <shadeslayer> fine then
[02:42] <apachelogger> and make it part of the deployment
[02:42] <shadeslayer> I see
[02:43] <apachelogger> i.e. I setup crap there already
[02:43] <shadeslayer> should be simple to script
[02:43] <apachelogger> not that it would be much work to replicate anyway
[02:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can simply put the db in a tar.xz somewhere and wget it after deployment
[02:43] <apachelogger> respectively update before shutdown
[02:44] <shadeslayer> aye
[02:44] <apachelogger> that is if the db is portable enough
[02:44] <apachelogger> otherwise we can actually script the setup I think
[02:44] <apachelogger> i.e. mumble-server has a dbus interface through which you can configure it
[02:44] <apachelogger> pretty neat
[02:44] <Darkwing> Okay, email stuff hates me.
[02:44] <apachelogger> Darkwing: same here ^^
[02:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: where does it store the default db?
[02:45] <Darkwing> KMail, not fetching IMAP the right way. Thunderbird, crashing everywhere...
[02:45] <apachelogger> dunno
[02:45] <apachelogger> Darkwing: kmail we can do something about
[02:45] <apachelogger> or
[02:45] <apachelogger> upstream can
[02:45] <apachelogger> and we are friends with upstream
[02:45] <apachelogger> so
[02:45] <apachelogger> ...
[02:45] <Darkwing> tell akonadi to handle 50,000+ emails
[02:46] <apachelogger> I think dfaure uses it
[02:46] <apachelogger> and he has loads a mails
[02:46] <Darkwing> And why it isn't fetching "some" of the -devel emails but, it does others I have no effing clue.
[02:47] <apachelogger> may be busy syncing?
[02:47] <Darkwing> For the last 7 hours?
[02:47] <apachelogger> i.e. it needs to have a full sync before flying proper
[02:47] <apachelogger> Darkwing: dunno,can take a while :P
[02:47] <apachelogger> #akonadi
[02:47] <Darkwing> I'll rerun it and see what it does tonight.
[02:48] <apachelogger> there is pretty nifty debugging stuff in place
[02:48] <apachelogger> no clue how to use it though
[02:48] <apachelogger> so if it does not work I'd head to #akonadi
[03:12] <shadeslayer> yofel: Darkwing mumble up and running on ec2-54-235-226-77.compute-1.amazonaws.com
[03:12] <shadeslayer> plz2test while I have breakfast
[03:12] <shadeslayer> then I can script it
[03:34] <shadeslayer> I haz to go, terminated the instance
[08:33] <jussi> bah
[08:33] <jussi> too much noise on ML's atm
[09:23] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1137384] System Settings dialog fails to close @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1137384 (by Martin Suttle)
[11:10] <Riddell> meh, I've a mild cold today, I fear it's interfering with my head trauma to turn into real man flu and make me especially useless, sorry if i'm unresponsive
[11:14]  * davmor2 prods Riddell with a box of lemsip
[11:15] <Riddell> yogi tea sweet chai, that's what I need, good for everything
[11:22] <Riddell> amichair_: so how do ticks work in right to left writing?
[11:25] <Riddell> agateau: right to left change gets rid of current page in right hand menu being grey?
[11:27] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[11:28] <mikhas> Riddell, try massala chai
[11:28] <mikhas> (with sugar of course)
[11:29] <mikhas> sometimes, that's called yogi tea, too but I found that yogi tea can be all sort of things
[11:30] <amichair_> Riddell: checkboxes? just like ltr, but in reverse :-)
[11:38] <Riddell> amichair_: it's this unicode character Breadcrumb.DONE: "✓",
[11:38] <Riddell> would that be written the same or reverse in rtl?
[11:38] <Riddell> e.g. Breadcrumb.CURRENT: "▸", becomes Breadcrumb.CURRENT: "◂"
[11:38] <amichair_> oh, that's not reverse, checkmark remains check mark
[11:39] <Riddell> that's the answer I wanted :)
[11:39] <amichair_> :-)
[11:41] <Riddell> meh, this nexus doesn't want to talk to my computer any more
[11:41] <Riddell> http://paste.kde.org/684758/
[11:41] <Riddell> davmor2: seen that?
[12:10] <davmor2> Riddell: have a word with ogra_ I think I did see it when I first had ubuntu touch installed on it but I just did phablet-flash -b and that bootstrapped it again
[12:10] <davmor2> Riddell: ah you already are talking to him
[12:16] <ovidiu-florin> I've finally succeded to set up my znc server, now I don't have to miss up on conversations while I'm gone :D
[12:24] <Darkwing> Morning
[12:29] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:29] <Darkwing> BAH sometimes I hate dealing with LO
[13:38] <Darkwing> well, there goes my laptop.
[13:42] <Darkwing> Let's see if I can salvage this...
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Hello
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Riddell, should I package rekonq 2.2 ?
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, this = ?
[13:42] <Darkwing> ATI CURSE YOU FOR NOT HAVING UPDATED DRIVERS FOR CURRENT KERNEL
[13:42] <Darkwing> My laptop
[13:43] <smartboyhw> Uh
[13:43] <Darkwing> My only machine able to run raring just went down again.
[13:43] <agateau> Riddell: no rtl-fixes does not get rid of the current item being grey, but I renamed the images (there are ltr and a rtl images now) maybe you did not copy them?
[13:43] <Darkwing> looks like I'll be saving for a Dell XPS13
[13:44] <agateau> Riddell: btw: just filed merge requests to fix the slideshow (on ubiquity and on ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu)
[13:45] <agateau> Riddell: btw2: I have to go and I am off for vacation next week. Will connect this evening to catch up and will try to check email next week nevertheless.
[13:46] <smartboyhw> Good that KDE 4.10.1 is being packaged:)
[13:47] <xnox> agateau: looks good to me.
[13:47] <agateau> xnox: cool
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:48] <smartboyhw> Hi Blues
[13:48] <smartboyhw> s/Blues/BluesKaj/
[13:48] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "Hi BluesKaj"
[13:49] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw
[13:49] <Riddell> smartboyhw: yeah please
[13:50] <Riddell> agateau: super
[13:50] <BluesKaj> no need for the correction, lots of ppl call me Blues :)
[13:50] <Darkwing> Well now. the savings has begun
[13:50] <smartboyhw> BluesKaj, LOL
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, working:P
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, should I also update homerun too?
[14:02] <smartboyhw> It's 0.2.1 now
[14:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh yeah it's it's new
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so is it that I plan a code merge against the kubuntu-packaging branch?
[14:06] <smartboyhw> Or do we not have that?
[14:12] <yofel> smartboyhw: it has no packaging branch right now
[14:12] <smartboyhw> yofel, oh then...
[14:12] <yofel> where did you find 0.2.1 -
[14:12] <yofel> ?
[14:13] <smartboyhw> yofel, http://agateau.com/2013/02/27/homerun-0.2.1-released
[14:13] <yofel> ah hm
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Wait it should be agateau's job
[14:13]  * smartboyhw hides
[14:13] <yofel> forgot that it's in unstable
[14:13] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:14] <yofel> ftpubuntu@ftpmaster:~/unstable/homerun/ -> I was looking in stable for some reason ^^
[14:14] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:14] <yofel> anyway
[14:14] <yofel> kubotu: newversion homerun 0.2.1
[14:14] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1137865
[14:15]  * smartboyhw assigns that bug to himself if noone objects....
[14:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: as it's not yet marked WIP anywhere go ahead ^
[14:15] <yofel> smartboyhw: ^
[14:15] <smartboyhw> yofel, I'll mark it:P
[14:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: unping 
[14:20] <smartboyhw> yofel, how's KDE 4.10.1 packaging? Good?
[14:20] <smartboyhw> s/KDE/KDE SC?
[14:20] <yofel> there are no tars yet :/
[14:20] <smartboyhw> BAH
[14:21] <smartboyhw> yofel, I thought the cronjob was up (LOL)
[14:21] <yofel> it is, but there are no packages yet ^^
[14:21] <smartboyhw> yofel, LOL
[14:21]  * smartboyhw waits for upgrades of packages, then packaging of homerun
[14:22] <yofel> tnyblom who was making the tarballs seems to be MIA today so far...
[14:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, how do you know?:P
[14:22] <yofel> he's not answering in the release-team channel :P
[14:23] <smartboyhw> yofel, that's a prob:P
[14:23] <yofel> *shrug*, this is .1 and we have ~5 days left
[14:23] <yofel> so not really that much of a problem
[14:23] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:37] <smartboyhw> yofel, Riddell https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/rekonq/2.2-0ubuntu1-1st-version/+merge/151262
[14:39] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: So I hear you want something from me?
[14:40]  * smartboyhw speaks in another channel for that
[14:40] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1137800] Cannot swap win/control keys in settings @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1137800 (by Reuben Firmin)
[14:50] <vassie> exit
[15:02] <smartboyhw> yofel, Riddell https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/homerun/0.2.1-0ubuntu1-version-1/+merge/151266
[15:14]  * smartboyhw should fight for https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/+members
[16:32] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2168473
[16:32] <Quintasan> if this works
[16:32] <Quintasan> then we probably can just apt-get install kubantoo on that
[16:37] <Darkwing> Yay, I got my new toy
[16:39] <Quintasan> As in Nexus 7?
[16:39] <Quintasan> Darkwing: ^
[16:39] <Darkwing> Quintasan: I've had a Nexus 7 for a while... I just got a new sudio mic fr my computer.
[16:39] <Quintasan> \o/
[16:39] <Quintasan> Good
[16:39] <Quintasan> !
[16:42] <Darkwing> Holy wow... Much better.
[16:48] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1137384] System Settings dialog fails to close @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1137384 (by Martin Suttle)
[16:58] <agateau> do we ship a Kubuntu logo in the default install
[16:58]  * agateau is looking for a logo to show in Ubiquity
[16:58] <xnox> agateau: typically it's a freedesktop compliant way named icon of "distribution-logo" or something like that.
[16:59] <xnox> which is picked from the theme, which should be kubuntu already.
[16:59] <xnox> or something along he lines.
[16:59] <agateau> xnox: oh ok, great!
[16:59] <xnox> or "distributor-logo" something funny like that.
[17:05] <agateau> xnox: actually a locate for *logo.png does not yield anything useful
[17:05] <agateau> except maybe the plymouth theme logo
[17:05] <xnox> it's typically svg
[17:06] <tsimpson> we have /usr/share/pixmaps/kubuntu-logo.png 
[17:06] <agateau> xnox: ah, found distributor-logo.svg but it's an Ubuntu logo
[17:07] <agateau> tsimpson: yes I found this one, but it's a bit small
[17:07] <xnox> well that's no good, a theme should also ship "distributor-logo". And kubuntu default theme should provide a kubuntu logo there.
[17:07] <xnox> e.g. apport and whoopsie use them and many other.
[17:09] <agateau> xnox: there is no distributor-logo in the fdo icon-naming-spec
[17:09] <tsimpson> I have distributor-logo.svg for Humanity, Humanity-Dark, Tango, elementary, gnome, and lubuntu
[17:09] <tsimpson> but no kubuntu
[17:09] <agateau> not that it prevents us from adding one to Oxygen
[17:11] <Darkwing> IF there isn't a kubuntu.svg logo added, maybe we should add one.
[17:11] <Darkwing> Oops, sorry for the all caps on if
[17:14] <agateau> apachelogger: regarding the "about kubuntu box", the question is: from where do you expect to be able to open this box?
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: not much I can do at the moment since I have no computer to work from
[17:36] <apachelogger> agateau: we were thinking sticking it either in systemsettings or kinfocenter or the help menu
[17:37] <agateau> apachelogger: I would advice against adding it to the help menu... that would generate some backlash I think
[17:38] <agateau> apachelogger: maybe it can be a shortcut in the "system" category with a simple executable showing the about box
[17:39] <apachelogger> also possible
[17:39] <apachelogger> it's a kcm, so anything is possible
[17:39] <agateau> it already exist?
[17:39] <shadeslayer> replace it with a unicorn
[17:40] <shadeslayer> no bacj
[17:40] <shadeslayer> *backlash
[17:43] <agateau> apachelogger: what is the name of the kcm?
[17:50]  * agateau is off, see you on march 11th
[18:04] <yofel> *the* fun part about the ubuntu-devel ML discussion is that nobody has given a properly defined user base the rolling release is supposed to be used by
[18:05] <yofel> slangasek said that it's not for users, others say it's pointless for only developers (I agree)
[18:05] <yofel> and no, we don't have any *usable* armhf PPA's
[19:09] <apachelogger> yofel: canonical does :P
[19:15] <yofel> we != canonical, and I was folling up Scott's thread
[20:06] <yofel> 4.10.1 tarballs up
[20:08] <yofel> might as well do the initial upload myself
[20:27]  * apachelogger sighs
[20:27] <apachelogger> " We have been laying the foundation for
[20:27] <apachelogger> exactly this sort of thing for years."
[20:28] <apachelogger> assuming we as in we the community I wonder why people get the impression this we are about to jumping the gun
[20:29] <apachelogger> gee, my left hand keeps picking my nose, and my right hand did not know about it until it also tried to pick my nose
[20:29] <apachelogger> whoops
[20:29] <apachelogger> :P
[20:32] <yofel> but but, I didn't know the upgrade would fail either until I actually did it!
[20:32] <yofel> *sigh*
[20:33] <apachelogger> yes
[20:33] <apachelogger> we always upgrade our production servers to see if an upgrade breaks something
[20:36] <apachelogger> bah too many mails
[20:36] <apachelogger> screw this
[20:37] <apachelogger> someone notes.kde it
[20:37] <apachelogger> so what do I do now
[20:37] <apachelogger> yofel: anything fun to do?
[20:37] <apachelogger> trello is filled with boring stuff
[20:38] <yofel> well, there's lots of bikeshedding in there except for cj, pitti and some folks that actually care about the technical stuff
[20:38] <apachelogger> which is why I think someone needs to notes.kde it
[20:38] <soee> good evening
[20:38] <apachelogger> hey soee
[20:38] <apachelogger> yofel: there used to be a time when we had to write really nice pages on blueprints
[20:39] <apachelogger> what it does
[20:39] <apachelogger> why we want it with use cases
[20:39] <apachelogger> what can wrong
[20:39] <apachelogger> how to go about implementing it
[20:39] <apachelogger> random discussion/concerns
[20:39] <apachelogger> ...
[20:39] <yofel> we do that post-UDS now, currently that blueprint is a braindump
[20:39] <apachelogger> good thing we stopped that, would only make that discussion more organized
[20:39] <apachelogger> we'd not want that
[20:39] <yofel> it will probably be a braindump post-UDS
[20:40] <apachelogger> blueprints are braindumps nowadays :P
[20:40] <apachelogger> there is an advantage to that, not for this particular discussion tough :P
[20:40] <apachelogger> yofel: u doin .1 initial up?
[20:41] <yofel> yeah
[20:41] <apachelogger> https://trello.com/board/13-04/512e60dd9efc084f59001d69 if so move the card around or assign or osmething
[20:41] <apachelogger> sheytan: piiiing
[20:41] <yofel> kdelibs just appeared on the status page
[20:41] <sheytan> apachelogger: pongi
[20:41] <yofel> oh right
[20:41] <apachelogger> yofel: also please linky to stuff int the description
[20:41] <apachelogger> makes it easier to follow :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: hello good sir
[20:42] <apachelogger> sheytan: where is the lightdm stuff, how is it coming along?... what about ksplash?
[20:42] <apachelogger> also I am hoping to get bug 215383 resolved before feature freeze so I need some input/thoughts/mock on the UI
[20:43] <apachelogger> see second to last comment for screenshot of the present ui
[20:43] <apachelogger> <- really really really really bad at designing uis
[20:44] <sheytan> apachelogger: 1) on the way. The dev had some issues with his computer. 2) imho it's already done to fit with ldm :)
[20:44] <apachelogger> sheytan: which ksplash theme is that?
[20:44] <apachelogger> didn't you make a new one?
[20:44] <apachelogger> or change the one from kde
[20:44] <apachelogger> or something
[20:44] <sheytan> http://madsheytan.blogspot.com/2013/02/kde-splashscreen.html
[20:44] <apachelogger> where's the source and stuff?
[20:45]  * yofel wonders how to properly cross-reference pad and card
[20:45] <apachelogger> putting a video there intead of the actual splash seems like a bad idea :P
[20:45] <apachelogger> yofel: cards have urls
[20:45] <yofel> apachelogger: btw. what's the plan on visibility? currently everything's org-visible. not very "open2
[20:46] <apachelogger> can be changed
[20:46] <apachelogger> didn't bother to because there is also no global setting for that unfortunately
[20:46] <yofel> ah ok, I was wondering about that too
[20:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: sources are on my computer
[20:46] <apachelogger> alas, as org admin I cannot even force my way into boards which is silly
[20:46] <sheytan> want them?
[20:46] <apachelogger> sheytan: yeah
[20:47] <apachelogger> going to upload artwork this weekend I hope
[20:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: who's the dev doing lightdm btw?
[20:47] <yofel> I'll open up 13.04 for now at least 
[20:47] <apachelogger> d_ed?
[20:47] <sheytan> he's nick is FlowRiser on #kde-lightdm
[20:47] <apachelogger> ok
[20:48] <yofel> oh, I can't - I'm not the board admin, apachelogger is
[20:49] <apachelogger> nonesense
[20:50] <yofel> ...
[20:50] <yofel> ah well, that works too
[20:50] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://www.sendspace.com/file/7i1e47
[20:53] <apachelogger> hm
[20:53] <apachelogger> sheytan: why are you not doing the gradient using qml?
[20:54] <sheytan> apachelogger: on the logo and K letter?
[20:54] <apachelogger> background
[20:56] <apachelogger> sheytan: are we using the same for plymouth?
[20:56] <sheytan> apachelogger: nope
[20:57] <sheytan> and as you see the background is more complilcated
[20:57] <sheytan> than two gradient colors
[20:57] <apachelogger> we are uisng gradient colors in plymouth?
[20:58] <apachelogger> 1024x768.png   1280x720.png  1366x768.png   1600x1200.png  1920x1080.png  2048x1536.png  640x480.png
[20:58] <apachelogger> 1280x1024.png  1280x800.png  1400x1050.png  1680x1050.png  1920x1200.png  2560x1600.png  800x600.png
[20:58] <apachelogger> plz
[20:58] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:58] <apachelogger> actually a subset of those would suffice
[20:58] <apachelogger> 1024x768.png 1280x1024.jpg  1600x1200.jpg  1920x1080.jpg  1920x1200.jpg
[20:59] <apachelogger> I think we should at least have those resoltuions
[20:59] <apachelogger> then again who's using 1024x768 still
[20:59] <apachelogger> scratch that
[20:59] <apachelogger> the other 4 resolutions would be good
[21:00] <apachelogger> so we can do aspect-related scaling
[21:00] <apachelogger> sheytan: also I am now confused as to what we use in plymouth ^^
[21:01] <sheytan> apachelogger: i can do the resolutions, no worry
[21:01] <sheytan> but
[21:01] <sheytan> plymouth
[21:01] <sheytan> heavy subject still :D
[21:01] <apachelogger> :S
[21:05] <sheytan> give me some time :)
[21:12] <sheytan> apachelogger: do you like the splash?
[21:12] <sheytan> apachelogger: and how do you feel about writing the ldm theme?
[21:13] <sheytan> there's some stuff already done
[21:13] <apachelogger> I thought it is being written already?
[21:13] <sheytan> two things are done
[21:13] <sheytan> and as i said,  that dude had some problems with his pc
[21:13] <yofel> 4.10.1 uploaded
[21:14] <apachelogger> I guess
[21:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: well, the theme is working, couse it's based on the agateau's work. It need some modifications
[21:15] <apachelogger> send a mail plz
[21:16] <sheytan> to you?
[21:16] <apachelogger> yes
[21:16] <sheytan> can i have your email
[21:16] <sheytan> ?
[21:17] <apachelogger> sitter@kde.org
[21:17] <sheytan> ok, i will send you the code and images
[21:22] <sheytan> send
[21:23] <apachelogger> also a list of what needs to be done
[21:27] <apachelogger> var months = ["January", "February", "March", "April", "May", "June", "July", "August", "September", "October", "November", "December"]
[21:27] <apachelogger> oh?
[21:29] <sheytan> apachelogger: that's the clock from qt examples :D
[21:29] <sheytan> it's not mine :D
[21:33] <apachelogger> sheytan: Face.qml missing?
[21:34] <sheytan> it shouldn't be
[21:34] <sheytan> let me check
[21:34] <apachelogger> file:///usr/share/kde4/apps/lightdm-kde-greeter/themes/experience/main.qml:422:27: DigitalClock is not a type 
[21:34] <apachelogger>             /*PlasmaComponents.*/DigitalClock { 
[21:35] <apachelogger> private/* misisng
[21:38] <sheytan> apachelogger: ok, fiex, sending with the todo list
[21:46] <sheytan> apachelogger: can you make the last user avatar on each side fade out a bit? Not the whole image but a part of it, like it would disappearing slowly
[21:54] <apachelogger> sheytan: do you have your latest mockup at hand?
[21:54] <sheytan> yep
[21:54] <sheytan> always :D
[21:54] <apachelogger> also that's still a long way to go it seems
[21:54] <apachelogger> :S
[21:54] <apachelogger> moar work \o/
[21:54] <apachelogger> :(
[21:55] <sheytan> don't get it
[21:56] <apachelogger> there is stil a big difference between what we have and what your mockup wants
[21:56] <sheytan> oh
[21:56] <sheytan> well
[21:56] <sheytan> i think du schafst das :D
[21:57] <apachelogger> :S
[21:57] <apachelogger> well
[21:57] <apachelogger> latest mockup plz
[21:58] <sheytan> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Vg8r4E0SWdA/USqdeYRhs6I/AAAAAAAACNI/b_UauHZ-KdM/s1600/more-users-test-sys-buttons-active-logo.png
[21:59] <apachelogger> picture frame is missing it seems
[21:59] <sheytan> you won't code that?
[21:59] <apachelogger> hm
[21:59] <apachelogger> I could
[21:59] <apachelogger> not sure it makes sense though
[21:59] <sheytan> that way it will always fit the size or something
[21:59] <apachelogger> well
[21:59] <apachelogger> I don't think the glowy part is possible with qml1
[21:59] <sheytan> well we will have always the same size of image anyway
[22:00] <apachelogger> sheytan: hence why I would make it a static frame image
[22:00] <sheytan> ok
[22:01] <sheytan> so i need to make one frame and other with the glow?
[22:09] <apachelogger> sheytan: yep
[22:09] <sheytan> one sec
[22:09] <Riddell> evening
[22:09] <sheytan> hey!
[22:17] <sheytan> apachelogger: frame images sent ;)
[22:36] <yofel> someone broke launchpad
[22:36] <yofel> lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[22:45]  * sheytan is going to sleep