[00:27] <draik> I'm trying to compile purple-otr, but I keep getting an error for libotr not being 3.2.0 or greater (which it is), and another issue with the config being for "x86_64-pc-linux-gnu", and doesn't match "x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu". Pastebin for the ./configure and output/errors can be found here => http://paste.ubuntu.com/5575026/
[02:28] <ScottyK> Is KDE 4.10 going to be available for 12.10 other than the backports?
[03:37] <shadeslayer> ScottyK: you mean in the archive?
[03:37] <shadeslayer> nope
[03:38] <ScottyK> so the only way to get 4.10 for 12.10 is to use the backports, correct?
[03:38] <shadeslayer> the backports PPA, correct
[03:38] <ScottyK> ok, thanks shadeslayer!
[03:39] <shadeslayer> ScottyK: note that there's a ubuntu-backports component as well
[03:39] <shadeslayer> so when refering to the PPA it's always good to append PPA there :P
[03:43] <ScottyK> true! I've got 12.10 right now, one computer I already activated the backport, but the computer I had not. Was curious if it was going to be pushed down before 13.04 came out.
[03:45] <SimonJ57> Evening.
[03:55] <SimonJ57> If I have an application segfaulting using Kubuntu in a VM, would running Kubuntu bare-metal in someway help?
[06:41] <dishantp> BluesKaj, do i need to change the operating system itself, if the broken dependencies aren't fixed?
[07:34] <dishantp> Shadeslayer, can you take out some time and help me fix my system?
[07:34] <dishantp> hi people, i am running kde sc 4.10 on my ubuntu machine and i want to do development work with Amarok.  However due to broken dependencies, it shows there is no kdelibs5 candidate installed. I just want to know that, would it effect the development work?
[07:34] <dishantp> by it, i mean,i just checked on terminal.
[07:35] <dishantp> The problem is mainly with kubuntu-ppa's i added and did a distribution upgrade. Now there is unmet depencendies, and there seems no way out, like a deadlock
[07:39] <sithlord48> dishantp:  you can ppa-purge the ppa and try again possibly
[07:42] <avihay> Hi, I have an error configuring telepathy from git:
[07:42] <dishantp> sithlord48, thank you very much. hope this works,looking into it.
[07:42] <avihay>  CMake Error at /usr/share/cmake-2.8/Modules/FindPackageHandleStandardArgs.cmake:97 (MESSAGE):\n  Could NOT find TELEPATHY_QT4 (missing: TELEPATHY_QT4_INCLUDE_DIR)
[07:43] <sithlord48> i have never had luck building stuff w/ cmake
[07:43] <Smurphy> avihay: telepathy is a nightmare. The dependencies are not right, and I manage from time to time to make it work...
[07:43] <avihay> I tried installing nearly all telepathy dev packages I could think of. anyone knows? yofel, I have a feeling you know the answer
[07:43] <Smurphy> But it aint easy.
[07:44] <avihay> :-<
[07:48] <dishantp> sithlord48, unmet dependencies here too. can't even install ppa-purge
[07:48] <dishantp> It says : The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[07:48] <dishantp> kdepimlibs-kio-plugins : Depends: libkimap4 (= 4:4.8.5-0ubuntu0.1~ppa2) but 4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.04.2~ppa1 is to be installed
[07:50] <sithlord48> you should be safe to remove that package. if you can remove it w/o breaking your system you can finish your upgrade and then reinstall the newer version (if there is one)
[07:53] <dishantp> sithlord48, won't even remove. libkimap4 and kdepimlibs5-dev are interdependent. okay,a fresh install seems the way togo.
[08:04] <avihay> dishantp: you can force dpkg to install and remove packages
[08:06] <dishantp> avihay : ok,let me see.
[10:35] <n8w> hey guys do u know any graphic editor that automaticaly refresh the content on a change?
[10:36] <n8w> im currently usin gwenview, but everytime i the content changes i need to press f5
[11:27] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[12:16] <ovidiu-florin> I've finally succeded to set up my znc server, now I don't have to miss up on conversations while I'm gone :D
[12:24] <Fuzzles> are kubuntu backports e.g. kde 4.10 stable to use?
[12:25] <Tm_T> Fuzzles: if they're stable releases of KDE SC then yes they should be
[12:27] <Fuzzles> Tm_T: KDE SC?
[12:29] <lordievader> Good afternoon
[12:29] <Fuzzles> afternoon
[12:32] <Fuzzles> does the backports only hold kde sc or test ones aswell?
[12:38] <yofel> Fuzzles: only the stable ones
[12:39] <Fuzzles> yofel: ok thanks trying 4.10 any min now
[12:42] <avihay> well, I gave up on telepathy, and started to build kdevelop and I have a problem.
[12:43] <avihay> kdevelopplatform builds fine, but kdevelop needs kdevelopplatform, and it doesn't use the newly built one
[12:48] <avihay> umm, and now it does build
[12:50] <Fuzzles> what is kdevelop?
[12:51] <avihay> It's an IDE (Integrated Development Environment)
[12:51] <tsimpson> !info kdevelop | Fuzzles
[12:51] <Fuzzles> oh ok thanks
[12:51] <avihay> ok, I think I got why telepathy didn't work
[12:52] <Fuzzles> rb
[12:52] <Fuzzles> brb
[12:52] <avihay> kdesrc needs sudo to install, but the script isn't interactive, so it fails instead of asking for a password
[13:15] <avihay> woho, it built
[13:35] <avihay> wel, telepathy still doesn't build :-<
[13:47] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:38] <Feldegast> hi i think i have come across a security issue in the lock screen
[14:38] <Feldegast> sometimes i can press esc and it returns to the desktop without needing to enter the password....
[14:41] <MsCourtney> Hi, Graphics acceleration does not seem to be working at all on Ubuntu 12.10. Its an Intel GPU
[14:42] <Feldegast> does intel have graphics acceleration? i thought only ati and nvidia did....
[14:42] <cmagina> intel does
[14:43]  * cmagina is running on 12.10 with graphics accel right now using an intel chip
[14:44]  * Feldegast is using 12.10 and kernel 3.5.0-24-generic #37-Ubuntu SMP Thu Feb 7 05:32:22 UTC 2013 i686 i686 i686 GNU/Linux
[14:44] <Feldegast> if i go any newer, usb drives no longer mount
[14:45] <cmagina> interesting, did you report a bug?
[14:45] <Feldegast> yes
[14:45] <Feldegast> #1132498
[14:45] <cmagina> any followup from the kernel team?
[14:46] <Feldegast> i was asked to test against 3.8 which i did and reported back
[14:46] <Feldegast> nothing since then
[14:47] <Feldegast> same issue with 3.8
[14:48] <Feldegast> consolekit is also crashing with any newer kernels
[14:48] <Feldegast> may be related, i do not know enough to be sure
[14:49] <Feldegast> i reported that as bug #1132493
[14:49] <cmagina> yeah, was just reading through it
[14:49] <Feldegast> :)
[14:50] <cmagina> have you attempted to reproduce using lightdm instead of kdm by chance?
[14:50] <Feldegast> i am not sure what else i can do but i am willing to try anything if needed
[14:50]  * cmagina knows nothing about consolekit beyond its existance
[14:50] <Feldegast> i stopped using lightdm a while aback due to other issues but i can try it
[14:51] <cmagina> it would seem to be an issue between the kernel and your hardware or at least that would be my first guess
[14:51] <cmagina> i have some asus boards around, but haven't hit this issue
[14:52] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, which kubuntu version ?
[14:52] <Feldegast> i am using an eee pc 1001pe
[14:52] <Feldegast> 12.10
[14:52] <cmagina> ah, so laptop
[14:52] <Feldegast> i do not see the issue on my 64bit desktop
[14:53] <Feldegast> i will try lightdm
[14:53] <mr0wl> i'm a little confused, is Kubuntu funded by Canonical or Blue Systems?
[14:53] <Feldegast> blue systems iirc
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, lightdm should be working fine on your system if you've done the updates/upgrades and dist-upgrade since the lightdm issue, which goes back more than 2 months
[14:54] <cmagina> it might not change anything, but if it reproduces, then we can update the bug title to reflect it
[14:54] <Feldegast> BluesKaj i will try it, when lightdn 1st came in kde was more stable
[14:54] <Feldegast> er kdm was more stable
[14:56] <BluesKaj> well ,the default upgrades should replace kdm with lightdm
[14:56] <mr0wl> then Kubuntu should really change it's name
[14:57] <cmagina> why? its no different then lubuntu, xubuntu, etc now
[14:57] <avihay> kubuntu's infrastructure is funded by canonical, kubuntu  development team (just one person, I think) is funded by blue-system
[14:57] <Feldegast> BlaXpirit it did but i went back to kdm cos lightdm wasn't working well for me, will try lightdm now
[14:58] <Feldegast> back asap
[15:00] <yofel> mr0wl: Canonical provides the infrastructure and owns the trademark "Kubuntu" - a rename would mean to leave the *buntusphere. The developer funding comes from blue systems mostly
[15:01] <mr0wl> the name seems too complex
[15:01] <BluesKaj> rumour has it that Ubuntu/Canonical will become a rolling distro next year ,( 14.04)
[15:02] <mr0wl> isn't 14.04 another LTS?
[15:04] <BluesKaj> there's also a shift towards mobile tuned OSs , so the future for desktop and laptop on (K)ubuntu is somewhat murky
[15:04] <mr0wl> funny they would start a rolling release with an LTS
[15:06] <BluesKaj> mr0wl, no one mentioned anything about the LTS , but it's not unreasonable to surmise that a rolling distro can still be an LTS
[15:06] <mr0wl> worst case senario Kubuntu can become a Debian based rolling release distro
[15:07] <mr0wl> it doesn't give the same perception of stability though
[15:08] <BluesKaj> well, these are rumours , so I'm not analysing this too deeply yet :)
[15:09] <BluesKaj> raises some obvious questions tho
[15:17] <Rish> i m using kubuntu on virtual machine...my laptop is connected to wifi...but kubuntu is not connectin to wifi..i mean i cant access internet on kubuntu...what should i do?
[15:19] <lordievader> Rish: How did you setup the vm networking?
[15:20] <Rish> means?
[15:20] <Rish> i m using virtual box
[15:21] <lordievader> Rish: Under the network settings tab have you configured the vm to use NAT?
[15:21] <Feldegast> now i remember why i don't use lightdm, it doesn't work, loading the kde plasma desktop just returns to lightdm
[15:22] <Rish> lordievader: well i didnt configured it...it used to work by itself
[15:23] <Rish> lordievader: how should i check wether its NAT or not?
[15:23] <Feldegast> anything else i should try?
[15:25] <lordievader> Rish: Open Virtualbox, go to the Settings of the VM, to the Network tab, and check if "Attached to:" is set to use NAT.
[15:25] <Rish> lordievader: ya its NAT
[15:25] <Feldegast> anything else i can try?
[15:27] <lordievader> Rish: Hmm usually NAT works... you might try Bridged, bridge it to your wifi card not your lan card ;)
[15:27] <mandoguit> Rish:   switch it to bridged
[15:27] <Rish> ya i got it workin...
[15:27] <Rish> lordievader:  actually it automatically started working
[15:27] <Feldegast> i generally use bridged
[15:27] <Rish> i just restarted the connection
[15:28] <Rish> thanks
[15:28] <lordievader> Feldegast: Different uses, different needs ;)
[15:29] <Feldegast> indeed
[15:29] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, then you have to make a DM choice , either KDM or Lightdm
[15:30] <Feldegast> BluesKaj not a choice, lightdm fails to load kde so is not a option
[15:30] <Feldegast> i could use gdm i guess
[15:30] <BluesKaj> which kde version, Feldegast ?
[15:31] <Feldegast> i dunno how that would mount my usb drive
[15:32] <Feldegast> let me see.....
[15:34] <Ana-45> Hola
[15:35] <Ana-45> aquí se puede pedir ayuda de ubuntu ?
[15:36] <Feldegast> kde base is 4:4.10.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu12.10~ppa1
[15:38] <Ana-45> gracias, ya veo que esto está muerto
[15:38] <Ana-45> ciao
[15:39] <apg>  siapa yang sudah makan?
[15:42] <BluesKaj> ok Feldegast so you already have 4.10, that's odd that you would continue to have kde loading issues , but I think you have to have only one DM installed
[15:43] <Feldegast> when u install multiple DMs you select the one u want to use, the others are inactive
[15:43] <Feldegast> at least thats what it looks like
[15:43] <Feldegast> i could remove kdm so only lightdm and gdm are installed
[15:44] <roland_> Hi. I'm running kubuntu 12.04 and something strange happened. run dialog (alt+f2) crashed. and after rebooting the machine, it is unusable. I'm able to login, but after that any keypress I make freezes KDE for 30-45 seconds (clock stops ticking). But I'm able to use the system from console or webmin.
[15:44] <Feldegast> but i do not understand why lightdm can't start the kde desktop, this was the reason for me going back to kdm initially
[15:45] <roland_> Any idea how to diagnose my problem?
[15:46] <BluesKaj> well, your issue seems to be an anomaly , especially if you've done all the proper updates and upgrades , Feldegast
[15:46] <Feldegast> roland is your cpu running hot?
[15:47] <Feldegast> BluesKaj indeed, is there some way to compare current config files with the default ones and selectivly restore the defaults?
[15:48] <roland_> Feldegast: system load is 0.01
[15:48] <Feldegast> this sustem was initially kubunti 10.04, and has been upgraded with each release so it might have un-needed cruft
[15:48] <Feldegast> *system
[15:49] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, I would try removing KDM and trying lightdm alone.
[15:49] <Feldegast> i can do that
[15:49] <Feldegast> remove gdm too?
[15:49] <BluesKaj> yes
[15:49] <Feldegast> ok will try that
[15:52] <avihay> roland_: install kdiff (can compare entire libraries), move ~/.kde to ~/.kde.badconf , login from the gui and run kdiff on both folders
[15:53] <avihay> badconf should be A and the normal one should be B if you want to perform the changes directly on it
[15:53] <Feldegast> avihay i did that a while back lots of differences not detected during upgrades
[15:54] <avihay> BluesKaj: ^
[15:56] <BluesKaj> avihay,/
[15:56] <BluesKaj> ?
[15:56] <avihay> I think Feldegas.t pinged me instead of you
[15:57] <avihay> ^ = arrow up
[15:57] <BluesKaj> ok
[15:58] <Feldegast> avihay i was just saying i reset my kde config files and did a compare like that a while back.....is all
[15:58] <avihay> oh
[15:58] <avihay> I didn't try kdiff on folders till git suggested it to me
[15:59] <Feldegast> it fixed a lot of issues
[15:59] <BluesKaj> well, having 3 DMs is going to cause a problem I'm sure
[15:59] <avihay> shouldn't, only one is active at a time, dpkg magic or somth
[16:00] <Feldegast> exactly the others are deactivated
[16:00] <Feldegast> but i have removed them
[16:00] <BluesKaj> avihay, I had to delete KDM inorder get a desktop after kightdm was auto installed after upgrade to 12.10
[16:01] <Feldegast> BluesKaj we will see if it works brb
[16:02] <avihay> ˄↑⇑⇧⤊⬆ꜛ￪ maybe when you uninstalled, it triggered dpkg-reconfigure DM
[16:02] <avihay> also, arrows!!!!!!
[16:08] <roland_> avihay: I moved the .kde folder, system is now more responsive, but not entirely
[16:09]  * avihay shrugs
[16:09] <roland_> for example, opening dolphin... shows file list 20 seconds after main windows has appeared
[16:10] <avihay> I have something that when right clicking in dolphin, dolphin freezes fora few sec to a few min , and only then show the menu
[16:11] <roland_> I haven't seen this kind of bug jet
[16:11] <roland_> and I've used KDE 4 from the beginnig
[16:12] <avihay> I have a hunch it's nepomuk, but I havn't confirmed yet
[16:17] <BluesKaj> yeah , I have nepomuk / desktop Search and Akonadi and PIM , disabled and kmail , kontact etc removed from my system ... being a home user I don't have any need for any of those app/daemons running
[16:20] <BluesKaj> It looks like Feldegast still has DM troubles ..not back yet
[16:21] <roland_> avihay: I disabled nepomuk and akonadi , but it didn't change a thing(beside the fact that they are not running anymore)
[16:22] <roland_> look like a reinstall is waiting
[16:23]  * avihay wants to reinstall, but his only machine is also his production machine
[16:23] <avihay> :-<
[16:23] <roland_> well this is my production machine that went nuts
[16:28] <BluesKaj> roland_, if you have a browser open , some plugins on chromium and FF can be taking up resources , there was a bug filed a while back about it, that should be solved now
[16:28] <roland_> BluesKaj: I dont have anything open, except for dolphin and konsole
[16:30] <roland_> firefox runs fine
[16:30] <BluesKaj> roland_, have you relogged in since
[16:30] <roland_> I've rebooted the system a couple of times after disabling nepomuk,akonadi
[16:34] <BluesKaj> roland_, have you set them to remain turned off in system settings>startrup&shutdown>session management>"applications to be excluded from sessions" textbox
[16:35] <roland_> BluesKaj: they don't show up in ps anymore
[16:35] <BluesKaj> ok
[16:53] <Feldegast> lightdm can't find the kde desktop runtime
[16:53] <Feldegast> kdm can however
[16:54] <BluesKaj> very strange
[16:54] <BluesKaj> must be missing some libs
[16:55] <The_Parkers> hey all....would you recommend kubuntu as a good desktop os?
[16:55] <The_Parkers> looking to make the switch from windows 7
[16:55] <BluesKaj> yes The_Parkers  that's why we;re here :)
[16:56] <The_Parkers> people like that over ubuntu?
[16:56] <The_Parkers> just asking?
[16:56] <BluesKaj> you can keep W7 and install kubuntu on a partition beside windows
[16:56] <Feldegast> BluesKaj i doubt it, more likly the kde->kde4->kde name changing broke it
[16:56] <The_Parkers> thats right...good point
[16:57] <The_Parkers> im gonna grab the latest/greatest and go from there
[16:57] <BluesKaj> The_Parkers, a lot of linux users dual boot with windows
[16:58] <BluesKaj> !dualboot
[16:58] <BluesKaj> The_Parkers, ^
[16:58] <The_Parkers> how much of my 370gb should i use for kubuntu
[16:59] <Feldegast> so is there a way to identify if i have any broken config files?
[17:00] <BluesKaj> The_Parkers, that depends on where you plan to keep your media files and data files and how committed you are to using either OS .
[17:00] <Feldegast> The_Parkers i gave myself 80gb
[17:00] <The_Parkers> okay i will partition my hard drive for 80gb and go from there
[17:00] <Feldegast> i keep my media files elsewhere
[17:00] <The_Parkers> thanks all
[17:00] <The_Parkers> ill keep my media on my windows system
[17:01] <Feldegast> you may want/need a separate /boot partition
[17:01] <BluesKaj> right then The_Parkers 80-100G is a resonable size
[17:01] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, boot partitions aren't really necessary anymore
[17:01] <Feldegast> good to know
[17:02] <away> some (most?) people use one partition for / and one for /home
[17:02] <BluesKaj> they just complicate the partitioning process with no rela benefit
[17:02] <Feldegast> this system has been upgraded since 8.04
[17:02] <MsCourtney> Hi, I graphics acceleration is not working on 12.10. Its an Intel GPU.
[17:03] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, have you installed the recommended driver in jockey ?
[17:04] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: There are none. It is an Intel GPU
[17:04] <BluesKaj> onboard ?
[17:05] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: On cpu
[17:09] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: Any ideas?
[17:16] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, in the terminal , lspci | grep VGA , so we canwhich gpu we're dealing with
[17:16] <BluesKaj> see
[17:17] <Feldegast> mine is a Intel Corporation Atom Processor D4xx/D5xx/N4xx/N5xx Integrated Graphics Controller
[17:18] <Feldegast> i just asumed there was no acceleration
[17:20] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0000]: Intel Corporation Haswell Graphics Controller [8086:0172] (rev 01)
[17:20] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, Feldegast if you have the i965-va-driver installed then you should have #d and Dri
[17:20] <BluesKaj> 3D and dri
[17:21] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: It works out of the box on my Intel HD 4000 GPU on another laptop.
[17:23] <BluesKaj> the best method to find your installed driver is to install mesa-utils , then run, glxinfo | grep OpenGL ..the version string shows the installed driver
[17:24] <mr0wl> has anyone figured out a way to integrate Dropbox with Dolphin?
[17:25] <MsCourtney> mr0wl: Yes, there is something on kde-look.org for that I think, you can get it using the "get hot new stuff"for services in dolphin
[17:26] <Feldegast> renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) IGD x86/MMX/SSE2
[17:27] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, version string ?
[17:28] <Feldegast> version string: 1.4 Mesa 9.0.2
[17:29] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, well install the i965 driver since it appears to be the driver you need , unless it's already installed.
[17:30] <Feldegast> i think my best option is probaly a fresh install
[17:30] <Feldegast> what a pita tho :(
[17:31] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, then you are using the default 2D driver without the Dri or 3D , so install i965
[17:32] <Feldegast> BluesKaj i doubt that would work on a eee pc
[17:34] <reggie_> Hey does Kubuntu suffer from the same issues that Unity suffers when it comes to NVidia and dual monitors???
[17:34] <Feldegast> unity is gnome only
[17:34] <Torch> reggie_: which issues would that be?
[17:35] <reggie_> well torch this is a bit embarrasing
[17:35] <Torch> reggie_: let's hear it then ;-)
[17:35] <reggie_> I'm a network admin and my personal win server 2008 r2 box got hacked through a dos attack
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Feldegast, according to the the gpu spec requirement in the package manager , the i965 should work
[17:35] <Feldegast> ahh well
[17:36] <reggie_> so got nervous and wiped my machine and decided to take the full Ubuntu plunge but tried Unity 12.10
[17:36] <reggie_> I know LTS is more stable but wanted to try it anyway
[17:36] <rosco_y> reggie_: I switched from 12.10 to LTS, and I'm glad I did.....
[17:36] <Feldegast> reggie_ have u installed the kde desktop?
[17:37] <reggie_> so I wiped my machine installed and things were working well until I tried to move things around and update the box
[17:37] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: Solved my problem. Since this is a prototype computer, its CPU and GPU are not on the market yet and 12.10 does not support it.
[17:37] <reggie_> so now it constantly freeezes when I do random things, mind you I havben't even tried to use the proprietary drivers
[17:38] <Torch> reggie_: maybe you should
[17:38] <reggie_> No i Have not installed KDE desktop do you think Unity is the problem ???
[17:38] <Torch> reggie_: can't tell. i have a stable system with nvdiia 8xx card, kde and the binary nvidia drivers
[17:38] <reggie_> I thought about trying netrunner or mint as a replacement as I read that cinnamon DE does not exhibit issues with dual monitors
[17:38] <BluesKaj> MsCourtney, so how did you solve the problem ?
[17:39] <Torch> reggie_: don't believe anything you read ;-)
[17:39] <rosco_y> reggie_: that's what I was going to say:  12.10 randomly went flakey, and I swtiched to LTS.  It's not perfect, but I'm pitching that I like it a lot better.....
[17:39] <Torch> errr, everything, that is ;-) well, in some cases anything.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> anyway , need to go for a bit ...BBL
[17:40] <reggie_>  yea but the thing is I tried Zorin OS 6 which is an LTS version and it exibited the same issues
[17:40] <MsCourtney> BluesKaj: I didn't but, it says on here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1066975
[17:40] <Torch> i'm also running 12.04 (not for the LTS, just didn't get around to upgrading to 12.10 yet and will probably skip it)
[17:40] <rosco_y> erhm....I had a question--"is there a command-line utility that can recursively search inside of text files for a pattern, and report the files where the pattern occurs?"
[17:41] <Torch> rosco_y: yes, grep
[17:41] <reggie_> I'm not seeing anything special with 12.10 to be honest.  I like Unity though but think I will have to let it go until version 15.04 :(
[17:41] <rosco_y> Torch: :) beautiful, thanks!
[17:41] <Feldegast> reggie_ 15.04?
[17:42] <rosco_y> I'm thinking no upgrades unless I see something I have to have in a virtual machine first....
[17:42] <rosco_y> I'm in love with forward progress.....
[17:42] <reggie_> this is a bit frustrating, one last thing, I installed vmware workstation to have a windwos install locally but as soon as I try putting the guest into fullscreen mode on let's say monitor 2 system locks up
[17:42] <reggie_> lol Yes I'm serious 15.04 3 years from now lol
[17:42] <Torch> reggie_: same thing, isn't it? gfx driver problem.
[17:43] <Feldegast> reggie_ and u haven't tried the proprietory drivers?
[17:43] <reggie_> I just think for an enterprise environment Unity still feels a bit beta, love the direction it is going but these tyes of bugs should have been worked out prior to a release
[17:43] <Feldegast> i found they were better for dual monitor support
[17:43] <rosco_y> reggie_: I have windows installed in VirtualBox, I use it to run MS's express tools.  Windows runs waaay better under Linux than it does under Windows :)
[17:43] <Torch> reggie_: neither KDE nor gnome nor unity are ready for the enterprise
[17:44] <Feldegast> Torch i think redhat and ibm would disagree
[17:44] <reggie_> Hey Toch you may be right but they're definitely more secure than a windows box :(
[17:44] <reggie_> meant Torch
[17:44]  * Torch shrugs.
[17:45] <Feldegast> unity isn't ready i agree
[17:45] <Torch> Feldegast: they make their money selling that stuff. so what do you expect them to say?
[17:45] <reggie_> I will try running the nvidia driver installation but I'm reading in the forums that they're problematic as well, for example serious artifacts on the screens when running unity 3d
[17:45] <Feldegast> kde 3.5 is fine so is gnome 2
[17:45] <rosco_y> I think KDE is a great work environment for the home office.  I love the Activities and Desktops as a way to organize work spaces.
[17:46] <Feldegast> reggie_ do not use unity then
[17:46] <Torch> reggie_: we won't be able to help you much with unity here, i'm afraid.
[17:46] <Torch> reggie_: like i said, the binary drivers work fine for me with kde
[17:46] <reggie_> Do you guys think perhaps using gnome 3.6 instead would be a more stable deal?
[17:46] <Torch> reggie_: well, this isn't the unity-vs-gnome-channel either ;-)
[17:46] <rosco_y> I'm not fond of gnome, I think it's just what you learned first.
[17:47] <reggie_> I am just asking not asking which is better than the other jkust need a stable DE to work out of
[17:47] <rosco_y> well, blankety-blank the blankety blank.  This is fun, but I gotta get to it.
[17:47] <Feldegast> reggie_ try kde
[17:47] <rosco_y> I agree, kde rules
[17:47] <reggie_> I will give Netrunner a try then
[17:48] <reggie_> although I remember running into problems with netrunner after doing an apt-get upgrade
[17:48] <reggie_> vm stopped working
[17:49] <Feldegast> kde-desktop-environment
[17:49] <reggie_> think it was the last release
[17:50] <reggie_> netrunner is kdecentric :)
[18:43] <mr0wl> anyone proficient in both OSX and Linux here?
[18:44] <reggie_> proficient, can you be specific?
[18:44] <reggie_> are you dealing with a specific issue?
[18:45] <mr0wl> yes with firewalls
[18:45] <mr0wl> i'm trying to interpret certain rules for iptables
[18:47] <reggie_> ahh okay that's clearer when you mentioned firewalls thought you were referring to an appliance, I'm not really good with IP tables
[18:51] <reggie_> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo
[19:59] <Korrosion> Where can we find centos 5 minimal?
[19:59] <bazhang> Korrosion, #centos
[20:44] <mr0wl> is it possible to specify a certain Konsole profile for terminal applications?
[20:53] <BluesKaj> mr0wl, yes open a konsole >settings>manage profiles ... altho I've never tried it
[20:57] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: i was thinking, assigning profiles to certain terminal applications
[20:58] <mr0wl> would i have to use alias?
[20:58] <mr0wl> let's say top: konsole --profile top_profile top?
[21:17] <mr0wl> BluesKaj: apparently this is suppose to be it: konsole --profile my_profile -e terminal_app
[21:17] <mr0wl> but it doesn't work
[22:19] <cihhan> How can i read individual processes' cpu and memory utilization? I checked /proc/pid but i think im still missing something out there.
[22:32] <mandoguit> top
[22:37] <cihhan> mandoguit: if possible i dont want to use external programs to do it
[22:40] <mandoguit> external program??  not sure what you mean then....    top comes with pretty much any distro afaik
[23:58] <Sir1786> hello
[23:58] <mr0wl> Sir1786: hi
[23:58] <Sir1786> mr0wl: how are you?
[23:58] <mr0wl> okay thanks