[16:02] <seb128> hey
[16:03] <seb128> sorry, I'm a bit late, having another of those crazy fridays... ;-)
[16:03] <seb128> ogra_, hey, did you guys start?
[16:04] <ogra_> oh, i totally forgot
[16:04] <ogra_> no, nobody started (and i doubt anyone but us is here)
[16:04] <seb128> k
[16:04] <seb128> I was wondering if it makes sense to still keep those meeting
[16:04] <seb128> or maybe we should retarget/refocus them
[16:04] <ogra_> and i dont really have much to report, i worked a bit with Riddell on kubuntu active images
[16:05] <seb128> yeah, week was crazy with other stuff for me as well
[16:05] <ogra_> yeah, i doubt many people are still intrested after ubuntu touch released
[16:05] <seb128> ubuntu touch, UDS preparation, rolling release discussions
[16:05] <ogra_> yeah
[16:05] <ogra_> same here
[16:05] <ogra_> its probably intresting to know where we will go with this image though
[16:05] <seb128> ogra_, seems it would be good to a weekly checkpoint for ubuntu touch work though?
[16:05] <ogra_> do you have any idea about plans ?
[16:06] <seb128> no
[16:06] <seb128> I hope we have better ideas after next week UDS
[16:06] <ogra_> ++ (though that needs to be coordinated with rsalveti i think)
[16:06] <seb128> ok
[16:06] <ogra_> let me chek if he has a moment to drop by here
[16:07] <seb128> or let's just skip this one
[16:07] <ogra_> ok
[16:07] <seb128> and do a "where do we go" next week after UDS
[16:07] <seb128> I will email ubuntu-devel@ to say that
[16:07] <ogra_> ok, thanks a lot
[16:07] <seb128> np!
[16:07] <ogra_> :)
[16:08] <rsalveti> +!
[16:08] <rsalveti> +1 :-)
[16:09] <rsalveti> for some reason I'm not receiving emails from ubuntu-devel anymore...
[16:10] <ogra_> you probably do to much management nowadays ... do you get mails from ubuntu-management instead ?
[16:10] <ogra_> :)
[16:11] <rsalveti> ogra_: lol
[16:19] <rsalveti> ogra_: same thing happened with Ursinha, no emails since feb 26
[16:19] <rsalveti> annoying, since I'm not getting anything from the rolling release discussion :-)
[16:19] <Ursinha> using the mailing list archive to follow the discussion, annoying indeed
[16:45] <xnox> ogra_: seb128: well I had an automatic presseding blog post + upstart support to reboot back into fastboot mode. So one can fully automate flashing into/from phablet back to core image. (e.g. reboot -f recovery to get into clockwork recovery)
[16:45] <xnox> apart from that, there is a spec to integrate phablet deploy into usb-creator that I am aware of, and that's it.
[16:56] <ogra_> rsalveti, odd
[16:57] <ogra_> xnox, well, i assume the final phablet images will actually use oem-config so thats a good thing we will re-use
[18:02] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - mhall119 can;t make it I'm afraid. Bobweaver isn't here either :(
[18:02] <tgm4883> this is all true
[18:04] <CrestedNewt> Well not much to talk about but do you want me to start this?
[18:04] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, go ahead and start it.
[18:05] <CrestedNewt> #startmeeting Ubuntu-TV Community Meeting
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[18:05] <CrestedNewt> OK, who is present for this meeting on Ubuntu TV?
[18:05] <tgm4883> o/
[18:05] <CrestedNewt> ME!
[18:06] <CrestedNewt> OK, well it's just the 2 of us - reminds me of a song :D
[18:07] <tgm4883> Bohemian Raphosody?
[18:07] <CrestedNewt> From my end - ARM have failed to respond to me requesting info on a manufacturer in upstate NY for bobweaver.
[18:07] <CrestedNewt> tw8 - will find the artist :D
[18:08] <CrestedNewt> Bill Withers!!
[18:08] <CrestedNewt> tgm4883 - do you know the status of bobweaver and the project?
[18:09] <tgm4883> So from the Mythbuntu camp. We've been working on a quick start quide for setting up the backend portion. We've got a rough draft, but haven't found many people that want to review it
[18:09] <CrestedNewt> What can I do?
[18:09] <tgm4883> Review it, make sure it makes sense.
[18:10] <tgm4883> You could go though the install, even if you don't have a tv tuner card
[18:10] <CrestedNewt> OK, is this the latest branch?
[18:10] <tgm4883> sec, let me grab the link
[18:10] <tgm4883> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1eGJ8gGtRqFxQ8xVWlR6XgP6FAFJEVZ-Ntq_TT8XhWEs/edit?usp=sharing
[18:11] <tgm4883> Note, that is the SHORT version that cuts out all the steps you don't need to change anything on (although I need to add transistional phrases for that)
[18:11] <CrestedNewt> OK, I'll print this out and do the install
[18:12] <tgm4883> This is the long version that includes every screen
[18:12] <tgm4883> https://docs.google.com/document/d/19knOlqz8cV5_8VQ1tCvEd8tjEk6U50KsSOJCROR60o4/edit?usp=sharing
[18:12] <tgm4883> The long version is 29 pages, so if we can make the short version make sense, I like it much better
[18:13] <CrestedNewt> OK, I will make some time and install it probably on Monday.
[18:13] <tgm4883> bobweaver status: he says he has left the project (and Ubuntu development in general). I believe this to be the case and that he will not be back
[18:13] <CrestedNewt> such a shame! :(
[18:13] <tgm4883> Ubuntu TV Status:
[18:13] <tgm4883> Officially, there are apparently people inside canonical working on it
[18:14] <CrestedNewt> Well without Bobweaver.... Status is DEAD IN THE WATER
[18:14] <CrestedNewt> I sent this to bobweaver earlier in the week. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OyW6DO6gck
[18:14] <tgm4883> Unofficially, I think the project is failing and without clear direction
[18:14] <CrestedNewt> agreed. I may try and talk to popey on the phone or G Hangout with him
[18:15] <tgm4883> That said, the Mythbuntu team will continue to develop our parts of the project, because A) we said we would, and B) what we are contributing can be used in regular Ubuntu Unity
[18:16] <CrestedNewt> If there are ppl in Canonical working on this, we need to get them in here so that we know what is happening.
[18:16] <tgm4883> I don't think that will happen
[18:16] <CrestedNewt> I MUST Download MYTHBUNTU
[18:17] <CrestedNewt> OK, so do we know what they are working on and what progress is being made?
[18:17] <tgm4883> no
[18:17] <CrestedNewt> what 'pot holes' are there?
[18:17] <CrestedNewt> etc etc
[18:17] <tgm4883> my gut feeling is that they are working on ubuntu touch, and that there is some overlap (eg. qml type stuff)
[18:18] <CrestedNewt> OK, phone is sexy and it has stolen the show at the conference, but seeing that I am not a 'coder' I can't help too much in the development.
[18:19] <CrestedNewt> However, if MYTH can be fully integrated into Unity, that is at least a way forward.
[18:19] <tgm4883> Yes, scopes integrate quite well into Unity. The issue was getting Unity to be a 10' interface
[18:21] <CrestedNewt> OK. A 10' display is not what most people have in their homes. great for 'billboards' etc but the target audience in my mind is home users
[18:21] <tgm4883> 10' interface, not 10' display
[18:21] <tgm4883> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10-foot_user_interface
[18:21] <tgm4883> eg. you can comfortably operate it 10' away
[18:22] <CrestedNewt> AHHH!! misunderstood that so I have learnt something new today
[18:23] <CrestedNewt> OK, as a slight side issue.... what about using something like RDP (remote desktop) from a phone/tablet/laptop?
[18:24] <CrestedNewt> or even having an apache web browser with appropriate commands that could be used from smartphone etc?
[18:24] <tgm4883> you mean for control?
[18:24] <CrestedNewt> yes
[18:24] <tgm4883> doable, but better with an actual remote control
[18:25] <tgm4883> the hurdle is getting Unity to a usable 10' display from a UX perspective
[18:25] <tgm4883> well, and the backing code as well
[18:26] <CrestedNewt> but for utilising the search facility, it would be better to have a keyboard rather than using txt-ing :D OK, understand that
[18:26] <tgm4883> yes. Either a remote control with keyboard, or the ability to search on phone/tablet and play on screen
[18:27] <tgm4883> or having a good onscreen search utility
[18:27] <tgm4883> Unity actually would work fairly well for that
[18:27] <tgm4883> since it does instant search
[18:27] <CrestedNewt> yep but that isn't really what you are on about - let me have some thinging time
[18:28] <CrestedNewt> as in what I said - I'm on about thinking about the UX
[18:29] <CrestedNewt> I can try a few things out as we have a large screen in our living room and it is over 10' away
[18:29] <tgm4883> What bobweaver had done previously would work well
[18:29] <tgm4883> there is also a design spec for Ubuntu TV that was good
[18:30] <CrestedNewt> I did ask Popey for a copy of that, but as yet....
[18:30] <CrestedNewt> nothing
[18:31] <tgm4883> I can get you a copy of that
[18:31] <CrestedNewt> you should have my details from G+
[18:31] <tgm4883> http://ubuntuone.com/1AmekwFL9IjJlfuc7Twl7m
[18:31] <tgm4883> it's a PDF
[18:32] <CrestedNewt> superb!!
[18:32] <tgm4883> I like to think popey was doing his work to ensure that was ok to share publicly
[18:32] <tgm4883> but it's already been shared publicly by the Ubuntu TV team via their blog
[18:33] <CrestedNewt> OK, so then it's ok for me to have it.
[18:33] <tgm4883> yep
[18:33] <tgm4883> For reference, it was originally posted here
[18:33] <tgm4883> http://www.doadjustyourset.com/2012/10/18/call-for-more-active-community-participation/
[18:34] <CrestedNewt> I don't want to cause problems but I just want to get this on track. I have shown the demo to a few 'high end'installers and they are really interested
[18:34] <CrestedNewt> Even if version 1 is a STB, so be it, at least it gets it out there
[18:35] <CrestedNewt> After that, with the buzz from the phone, it should make people sit up
[18:35] <CrestedNewt> and take notice
[18:38] <CrestedNewt> OK, so this is what I will do for next week
[18:39] <CrestedNewt> #action crestednewt Go through Documentation from tgm4883 and check both long and short versions
[18:39] <meetingology> ACTION: crestednewt Go through Documentation from tgm4883 and check both long and short versions
[18:39] <CrestedNewt> anything else?
[18:39] <tgm4883> nope, that looks good
[18:41] <CrestedNewt> okay, on that note I think that we are done here. If Canonical are doing things internally and we are not aware of it, I'm not sure about what we do as a community moving forwards
[18:41] <CrestedNewt> or even if we are to be involved
[18:41] <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, pretty much my thoughts exactly
[18:42] <CrestedNewt> I got the feeling a couple of weeks ago that things are changing internally but the direction has yet to be decided. those are my feelings
[18:43] <CrestedNewt> until these issues are resolved, I think that this as a 'separate project' is stuck in the water without a rudder
[18:43] <CrestedNewt> because if things change again, people like bobweaver will not want to participate
[18:44] <CrestedNewt> never mind. I'll let you know during the week how things went with the install
[18:44] <CrestedNewt> on that note, are you happy that this meeting is closed?
[18:47] <CrestedNewt> OK, meeting ended - thanks tgm4883! :D
[18:47] <CrestedNewt> #endmeeting
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