[02:59] <jjesse> herm i think i scrwed up putting a ubuntu image on my nexus 7
[02:59] <jjesse> looks like i have a phone version of it some how
[03:00] <jjesse> plus it looks like there are some phone messages on it
[03:04] <jjesse> is there a good link for a fresh install of ubuntu for nexus 7?  it looks like the one i got from a ubuntu site has all kinds of personal information on it
[03:23] <jjesse> jcastro, might want to look at my G+ post i just made, seems like someone forgot to clean up some data before doing a build for Mobile World Congress
[04:02] <jjesse> rick_h_android, do you know a lola chang?  i think she works at Canonical on the phone stuff
[04:02] <jjesse> rick_h_android, see my G+ post
[04:07] <jjesse> never mind looks like it was sample data
[12:56] <snap-l> Good morning
[12:56] <brousch> So far
[12:56] <snap-l> we be jammin'
[12:58] <rick_h_> crappy morning...how do people live without middle click?
[12:59]  * rick_h_ is going to melt down and cry shortly
[13:01] <snap-l> rick_h_: Foreign machine?
[13:02] <rick_h_> snap-l: no, home docked laptop just no middle click this morning
[13:02] <rick_h_> don't know wtf I did
[13:02] <snap-l> oh that sucks
[13:04] <brousch> I don't use middle click
[13:05] <rick_h_> how do you live? I mean how do you open new tabs, paste content from terminals, open links from irc/terminals?
[13:05] <rick_h_> middle click is the glue of the desktop
[13:07] <brousch> Right-click, open in new tab; ctrl+shift+v
[13:07] <brousch> irc is just a click since I use pidgin
[13:14] <mathomastech> ctrl+t
[13:32] <snap-l> Reminder: we're jamming this weekend
[13:33] <snap-l> starting today, and going through Sunday evening
[13:59] <rick_h_> woot, jamming
[14:14] <snap-l> Blergh
[14:14] <snap-l> Apparently my keyboard has a problem with the left arrow key.
[14:14] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[14:15] <snap-l> Yeah, not looking forward to waiting for a replacement.
[14:16] <rick_h_> meh, arrow keys
[14:16] <rick_h_> who needs em
[14:16] <snap-l> I do
[14:16] <snap-l> sorry, it's the right arrow key.
[14:19] <snap-l> still a pain in the cock
[14:19] <snap-l> Well, we'll see how their RMA process is.
[14:20] <snap-l> Hoping it'll be "we ship you a new one, you ship yours back"
[14:20] <snap-l> and not "you ship yours, wait a week, and we'll ship you another one when we've determined what the problem is"
[14:22] <rick_h_> what you need to do is convince widox he wants the filco, then borrow his brown while you wait
[14:22] <snap-l> hahaha
[14:23] <widox> :o
[14:25] <widox> snap-l: I hope you aren't using the arrow keys in vim!
[14:25] <snap-l> 70 / 30 between hjkl and arrow keys
[14:25] <rick_h_> nop the arrows ftw
[14:26] <snap-l> They're there to be used. :)
[14:30] <rick_h_> just like the scroll lock and pause keys :P
[14:31] <snap-l> Just because you're not using the Pause key dowsn't mean I'm not. :)
[14:31] <snap-l> (actually, I'm not.)
[14:32] <jcastro> jjesse: link? I don't see a post about that
[14:33] <jjesse> i deleted it
[14:33] <jjesse> jcastro, the people in #ubuntu-touch delt w/ it
[14:33] <jcastro> k
[14:36] <snap-l> This Red Notebook looks interesting: http://rednotebook.sourceforge.net/downloads.html
[14:36] <snap-l> It's definitely active.
[14:56] <jcastro> rick_h_: man, colder today
[14:56] <jcastro> was hoping to finish up the slush fest in my driveway
[14:56] <rick_h_85> lol yeah hard to clean now
[14:56] <rick_h_85> I cleaned up the last slush when it was wet yesterday
[14:58] <rick_h_85> I do look forward to some windows down weather in ATL
[14:59] <snap-l> Yeah, I'm done with this snow stuff
[14:59] <snap-l> not looking forwad to the extreme heat, but would be nice to get some of the stink out of the house.
[15:07] <widox> spacex launch in a few minutes, http://www.spacex.com/webcast/
[15:08] <snap-l> unmanned rocket?
[15:08] <snap-l> Ah, it's a resupply mssion
[15:08] <widox> yeah, its a supply run
[15:08] <snap-l> that's cool
[15:09] <rick_h_> woot
[15:09] <widox> I think they scheduled to do like 12 of them
[15:09] <rick_h_> wish the boy was home, he loves counting down 'liftoff!' now
[15:10] <snap-l> OMG, there's a OFO on the pad!
[15:11] <snap-l> That's freaking amazing
[15:11] <rick_h_> man that's a lot of rockets on that thing
[15:12] <rick_h_> what's all this kilometer talk? :P
[15:13] <snap-l> <3 that this thing is sending a signal in real time back to earth
[15:13] <snap-l> Science is metric
[15:13] <snap-l> We'll have none of this king's foot nonsense.
[15:19] <rick_h_> I can't help but laugh at using the term 'down range' when the damn thing is heading to SPACE
[15:24] <snap-l> Oh boy.
[15:24] <widox> doh!
[15:25] <widox> alien interception
[15:26] <rick_h_> lol
[15:30] <snap-l> I think this forum is getting pummeled
[15:46] <jrwren_> I'm leaning toward riak - what are your thoughts?
[15:47] <rick_h_> jrwren_: because xxx and yyy?
[16:06] <snap-l> One thing about having a borked keyboard has taught me is to change over my default editing-modes to vi
[16:06] <snap-l> brb
[16:07] <snap-l> Let's see if this works.
[16:07] <snap-l> Hm, apparently weechat doesn't support vi keybindings from .inputrc
[16:12] <jrwren_> rick_h_: exactly, because XXX and YYY
[16:12] <jrwren_> :)
[16:12] <jrwren_> riak - because its built on lightning memory mapped db, and its distributed, replicated.
[16:13] <jrwren_> although my ideal is the same thing more sql like - like google's spanner.
[16:16] <jcastro> jrwren_: have you seen this yet
[16:16] <jcastro> http://kkovacs.eu/cassandra-vs-mongodb-vs-couchdb-vs-redis
[16:16] <jcastro> gives you a nice overview of all of them
[16:22] <rick_h_>  escept riak :P
[16:22] <rick_h_> except
[16:40] <jrwren_> but I hate most of those.
[16:40] <jrwren_> cassandra is JVM, so its out
[16:40] <jrwren_> mongodb - because I want to lose all my data - the RAM limits are not what I want
[16:40] <jrwren_> couchdb - maybe I do want couch, I should look at it a lot more.
[16:40] <jrwren_> redis - same memory limits as mongo
[16:41] <greg-g> jrwren_: what kind of memory limits are you running / will run itnnto with redis mongo?
[16:41] <jrwren_> scalability, availability and fault-tolerance of riak is why I like
[16:41] <jrwren_> although I don't knwo why this guys docs say riak is moving to google's leveldb
[16:41] <jrwren_> AFAIK they are already on lightning
[16:42] <snap-l> Just use PostgreSQL. :)
[16:43] <jrwren_> no acceptable HA/fault tolerant solutions
[16:43] <snap-l> It's postgresql. It's infallible
[16:43] <snap-l> It's the pope of databases
[16:44] <jrwren_> couchbase looks good too
[16:44] <jrwren_> its postgresql, its old school, its old.
[16:44] <jrwren_> yes, I know it works, I love it. I love postgresql.
[16:44] <jrwren_> now, deploy postgresql in an environment where chaos monkey is running.
[16:44] <jrwren_> solve that problem, and I'll run what you have.
[16:47] <snap-l> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/warm-standby-failover.html
[16:48] <snap-l> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/high-availability.html
[16:48] <jrwren_> not acceptable
[16:48] <jrwren_> go do that, run chaos monkey, tell me how it goes.
[16:49] <greg-g> oh right, chaos monkey the thing
[16:49] <greg-g> thought it was an idiom :)
[16:49] <jrwren_> huh?
[16:50] <snap-l> jrwren_: What's the problem of keeping a warm / hot standby for PostgreSQL?
[16:50] <snap-l> Just have an automatic failover mechanism
[16:51] <jrwren_> write that for me plz.
[16:51] <jrwren_> and failback too
[16:51] <jrwren_> not just 1 failover
[16:51] <snap-l> https://github.com/2ndQuadrant/repmgr
[16:51] <jrwren_> because 5 min later that monkey is going to kill what was your standby
[16:52] <snap-l> so have several backup servers in a pool
[16:52] <snap-l> and if the monkey can kill off every backup, then game over
[16:52] <snap-l> even with nosql
[16:52] <jrwren_> no, not "even with"
[16:53] <jrwren_> its master master v. slave
[16:53] <snap-l> if your monkey is good enough to follow the money and edestroy every single backup, then you're fucked
[16:53] <jrwren_> you join another couchbase to the cluster and its just up.
[16:53] <jrwren_> you can restart an instance
[16:53] <jrwren_> but that instance has to come up appropriately.
[16:53] <snap-l> nuclear bomb takes out michigan. No backups. Game over.
[16:53] <jrwren_> my understanding of ALL postgresql failover solutions is that lots of human work is required to bring up that slave
[16:54] <rick_h_> yea, pgsql failover isn't meant for cloud-levels of reliability
[16:54] <jrwren_> besides that if I am running from nukes I have other worries.
[16:54] <rick_h_> really, you put pgsql on the server that's old school rock solid failover galore
[16:54] <jrwren_> its just not true - I can put riak in each ec2 zone, my DC here, and azure, all same cluster
[16:55] <rick_h_> jrwren_: I know internally we've used cassandra and happy with it. I just don't know the use cases enough to compare vs riak. Never used it myself
[16:55] <rick_h_> jrwren_: I have heard it compared some with tokyo cabinet more than things like mongo/etc
[16:56] <snap-l> Haven't heard much about Tokyo Cabinet in the last few years
[16:56] <rick_h_> yea, same here
[16:56] <jrwren_> yeah.
[16:56] <snap-l> http://fallabs.com/kyotocabinet/
[16:56] <rick_h_> but not looked either
[16:56] <snap-l> became Kyoto Cabinet
[16:56] <jrwren_> riak is actually built on a more modern dbm.  tokyo is similar
[16:56] <jrwren_> but its shit compared to lightning
[16:57] <jrwren_> lightning claims riak uses lightning.
[16:57] <jrwren_> kovacs page claims kiak uses leveldb
[16:57] <jrwren_> its unclear to me
[16:57] <rick_h_> lol
[16:58] <jrwren_> especially given its erlang
[18:44] <snap-l> fucking spaces in filenames need to fucking die in a fucking fire
[18:45] <greg-g> :)
[19:03] <slestak> tell us what you really think
[19:04] <snap-l> Fire isn't good enough
[19:51] <snap-l> Anyone else noticed their machine going out to lunch on prolonged disk activity?>
[19:51] <snap-l> Seems anytime I do anything disk heavy my whole machine goes slow
[19:56] <brousch> snap-l: SSD?
[19:56] <snap-l> No
[19:56] <snap-l> This is also an older machine
[19:56] <brousch> Throw that junk away, man. It's an antique
[19:56] <snap-l> I'll have you know it's my main desktop at home. :)
[19:57] <snap-l> Never mind I can't remember when I built it. :)
[19:57] <brousch> I get slowness when a mounted (network) drive is not available
[19:57] <snap-l> Seems whenever I do heavy disk activity the whole thing just grinds down in a spiral of slow until things settle down
[19:58] <brousch> Could be a sign of a dying disk
[20:00] <snap-l> Yeah, i ran the smart surface test, but I might just toss SPINRITE in it just to be doubly sure
[20:01] <brousch> Or a nearly-full disk
[20:45] <snap-l> I think Elite Keryboards doesn't answer email on Fridays
[22:35] <jrwren_> snap-l: you haven't learned to deal with spaces in filenames yet?
[22:36] <jrwren_> given how long you've been using linux and unix, that is a bit sad really.
[22:36] <snap-l> jrwren_: I forget everytime I have to do a for loop
[22:36] <rick_h_> they're evil, that is all
[22:36] <snap-l> because it's not how you'd think it would handle it
[22:37] <snap-l> jrwren_: I know how to escape a space, thank you. :)
[22:37] <snap-l> I know how to get find to do -print0 | xargs -0
[22:38] <jrwren_> gnu find and exec + does it for you
[22:38] <snap-l> but the genius part was it was a bunch of zip files with the same filenames inside that i had to preserve the directory structure
[22:38] <jrwren_> xargs is obsolete with gnu find AFAIK
[22:38] <jrwren_> ugh, i hate zip files and directory structures :)
[22:39] <snap-l> so I was looking for  a way to create the directory name using basename and mkdir
[22:39] <snap-l> but it was easier to use sftp to my local machine and just right click on them
[22:39] <snap-l> created the directories just the way I like it
[22:39] <snap-l> does it mean I lose some UNIX cred?
[22:39] <snap-l> fuck off.
[22:39] <snap-l> ;)
[22:40] <jrwren_> nah, it doesn't.
[22:40] <jrwren_> i experienced similar issue with scp just doay.
[22:40] <jrwren_> just today
[22:40] <jrwren_> but I know the rules, so I both quoted and escaped and things worked
[22:41] <snap-l> Yeah, most of the time this stuff works
[22:41] <snap-l> but when I have to do things in bulk with spaces, that's when things get weird
[22:41] <snap-l> and it seems this company has spaces in spades
[23:24] <greg-g> rick_h_: eneloop has colors?!?!?! http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/03/sodium-air-battery-shows-potential/
[23:28] <rick_h_> greg-g: heh, when was the last time colors did anything on a battery. You just put the cover over it :P
[23:31] <greg-g> but! Pretty!
[23:40] <rick_h_> it's like having a pretty colored inner tube
[23:40] <rick_h_> ooh pretty, now put the tire on over it
[23:40] <rick_h_> http://www.airforums.com/ ... this can only end badly