[04:43] <Kilos> morning all
[05:47] <Kilos> hi henkj 
[05:48] <henkj> hi Kilos 
[05:51] <Kilos> hi barrydk 
[06:31] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:31] <inetpro> and hi Kilos
[06:32] <inetpro> oh and hi henkj
[06:37] <inetpro> hmm...
[06:37] <inetpro> en Kilos slaap nog?
[06:37] <inetpro> Maaz: coffee on
[06:37]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[06:37] <Kilos> 06.43 morning all
[06:37] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[06:37] <Maaz> Kilos: Done
[06:37] <Kilos> more inetpro 
[06:38] <inetpro> ai!
[06:38] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:38] <Kilos> Maaz, large
[06:38] <Maaz> In a beer mug just for you Kilos
[06:39] <inetpro> Kilos: you reloaded your airtime yet?
[06:39] <Kilos> ya did it beginning of the week. had no choice
[06:39] <inetpro> hmm...
[06:39] <Kilos> so lost near a month
[06:39] <Kilos> grrr
[06:40] <inetpro> at least you will have a nice 2GB for the month
[06:40] <Kilos> lol yeah
[06:41] <Kilos> used halg a g already
[06:41] <Kilos> half
[06:41] <inetpro> sjoe
[06:41] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for inetpro and Kilos!
[06:41] <inetpro> time to get the 10GB
[06:41] <Kilos> ai!
[06:41] <Kilos> dreams
[06:41] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[06:41] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[06:42] <Kilos> 2+1 is good if i dont need installs and lotsa googling to find how to sort things
[06:43] <Kilos> member 12.04 crashed then went kde and that crashed
[06:43] <Kilos> i found some quantal packages in archives
[06:43] <Kilos> dunno if that caused it
[06:44] <Kilos> xserver.xorg packages
[06:44] <Kilos> 3 of the swines
[06:48] <inetpro> ai!
[06:48] <inetpro> you wasted precious bw?
[06:49] <Kilos> yeah lots. and kde was running so lekker till it showed the message thing there are 3 new packages to be upgraded
[06:49] <Kilos> then crash
[06:50] <Kilos> so next time i gonna change repos
[06:50] <Kilos> i dunno if its in our one that they got mixed up
[06:53] <Kilos> lo superfly 
[06:53] <superfly> hi Kilos, inetpro
[06:55] <Kilos> i need a refresh of noggin please. have a command i need help to do it correctly. on other pc so cant copy/paste
[06:56] <Kilos> fdisk [options] <disk> change partition table
[06:56] <Kilos> what goes in by options
[06:56] <henkj> hi inetpro 
[06:56] <inetpro> good morning superfly
[06:56] <Kilos> disk is /dev/sdb
[06:57] <henkj> hi superfly 
[06:57] <superfly> heyho henkj!
[06:58] <Kilos> oh i see it
[06:58] <inetpro> we actually need a fetch only command to make sure you only install updates after everything is downloaded
[06:59] <inetpro> Kilos: why not use the gui for that?
[06:59] <Kilos> it dont see the drive
[06:59] <inetpro> gparted or partitionmanager
[06:59] <inetpro> ai!
[06:59] <Kilos> ya ai!
[07:00] <inetpro> after all this you still have not downloaded the gparted distribution?
[07:00] <Kilos> just used gdisk to wipe it so can install fresh mbr
[07:01] <Kilos> and gdisk said use fdisk to sort it
[07:02] <inetpro> GParted Live is a small bootable GNU/Linux distribution for x86 based computers.
[07:02] <inetpro> It enables you to use all the features of the latest versions of the GParted application.
[07:02] <inetpro> can be installed on CD, USB, PXE server, and Hard Disk then run on an x86 machine
[07:02] <inetpro> http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[07:02] <Kilos> ok ill get it ty
[07:03] <Kilos> just wanna try this as they say before i switch pc off
[07:04] <Kilos> wait ill bin what i need help with
[07:05] <inetpro> 133 MB
[07:06] <Kilos> its worth it if it saves me gray hairs
[07:06] <inetpro> you sure you don't have it somewhere on your disk already?
[07:07] <Kilos> on my drive
[07:07] <Kilos> i have gparted ya
[07:07] <Kilos> it dont see the drive
[07:07] <inetpro> Kilos: yes, I'm sure we have discussed this before
[07:08] <Kilos> one of the first things i always install
[07:08] <inetpro> if not then I don't know why not
[07:08] <Kilos> http://slexy.org/view/s2yxrPqqEF
[07:08] <Kilos> gparted gdebi aptitude always early installs
[07:10] <Kilos> are there of those options that will do the work automatically without me having to specify sizes etc
[07:12] <Kilos> and can i use -C -H -S all at once
[07:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:12] <Kilos> hows the little one
[07:20] <Kilos> inetpro, no gui apps could do anything with the drive but gdisk seems to have cleared it all
[07:21] <Kilos> so theres hope
[07:22] <Kilos> command line tools seem more powerful
[07:23] <Kilos> or sensitive and accurate
[07:24] <inetpro> Kilos: oh yes if you know the cli tools go for it
[07:27] <Kilos> lol
[07:27] <Kilos> just tell me what options to use from those i binned please
[07:28] <Kilos> and do i use them with one - CHS like that or each one with own -
[07:38] <Kilos> ai! never mind it cant read /dev/sdb
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> he was sleeping when i left, had a rough night last night for some reason
[08:05] <Kilos> shame
[08:23] <charl_> good morning
[08:23] <charl_> Maaz: coffee on
[08:23]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:24] <Kilos> yo charl_ 
[08:24] <charl_> hi Kilos 
[08:26] <charl_> who named this library: http://developer.gnome.org/liboobs/
[08:27] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl_!
[08:28] <charl_> Maaz: thanks
[08:28] <Maaz> charl_: Okay :-)
[08:28] <charl_> it should be lib-oobs obviously but it's easy to read that wrong
[08:47] <charl_> does anyone have any experience with using unity on two screens? or using unity with vmware workstation?
[08:48] <charl_> my experience so far: it's a disaster
[08:48] <tumbleweed> charl_: what release? multi-monitor unity should be a lot better since quantal
[08:48] <tumbleweed> (or was it since precise, can't remember)
[08:48] <tumbleweed> also, what does unity have to do with vmware?
[08:48] <magespawn> good day
[08:49] <charl_> hi magespawn 
[08:49] <magespawn> hey charl_
[08:49] <charl_> tumbleweed: i'm running ubuntu 12.10 with all updates applied
[08:50] <charl_> tumbleweed: i have two monitors attached (which is working perfectly configured side-by-side, not mirror mode)
[08:51] <charl_> tumbleweed: everything works perfectly until i start up vmware, then i get "weird" behaviour all over
[08:51] <charl_> by "weird" i mean, for rexample: mouse stops working (i can still move it around but not click anything)
[08:51] <charl_> the launcher also stops working properly, only displays in part or doesn't allow me to open anything
[08:51] <charl_> and various other unusual behaviour
[08:52] <charl_> i don't know if this is related to using two monitors, it's probably unrelated
[08:53] <tumbleweed> charl_: sounds like vmware is doing naughty things
[08:53] <charl_> naughty things? :)
[08:56] <tumbleweed> no idea
[08:57] <charl_> ok i am trying it under "kubuntu" (kde 4.9.4) now and having no problems so far
[08:58] <charl_> whatever it is, it seems to be related to the combination of unity+vmware
[08:58] <charl_> i would submit a bug but this is a very hard issue to 1) explain 2) debug unless you have it in front of you
[08:59] <tumbleweed> charl_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1073298 ?
[09:01] <charl_> it could be related
[09:01] <charl_> although, i didn't have fullscreen applications on both windows
[09:01] <charl_> and even when not running in fullscreen mode, vmware makes unity fall over
[09:02] <charl_> *on both screens
[09:51] <charl_> wv Kilos 
[09:51] <charl_> *wb
[09:52] <Kilos> i dunno what disconnected ty charl_ 
[09:53] <charl_> aargh can you believe it, oracle still distributes mainly in rpm for linux :)
[09:54] <charl_> sorry oracle, but the mainstream is debian-based
[09:54] <charl_> in 2013 in any case
[10:12] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy: do you have any other resouces like the one you posted last night?
[10:20] <Kilos> charl_, use alien to convert them
[10:20] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[10:27] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[10:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> magespawn, what did i post last night? :-/
[10:59] <magespawn> https://www.udacity.com
[10:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> oooh right
[10:59] <magespawn> busy with cs 101 now
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> cs101 is a good start, i did that one last year
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i did cs253 as well
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's based on google app engine, which is quite interesting to work with
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's also coursera.org, but i haven't done anything there
[11:02] <magespawn> cool will check it out
[11:28] <Kilos> wbb
[11:55] <inetpro> wow!
[11:55] <inetpro> so maybe it's time to switch to MTN again?
[11:55] <inetpro> MTN slashes data costs http://www.gadget.co.za/pebble.asp?relid=6008
[12:18] <jrgns> hey all
[12:19] <jrgns> any bash scripting experts on the board?
[12:21] <Squirm> jrgns: what do you need to know though?
[12:21] <jrgns> Squirm: i deploy some of my code using a git post-receive hook
[12:22] <jrgns> part of the deploy involves clearing caches
[12:22] <jrgns> these caches don't belong to the git user that runs the hook
[12:22] <jrgns> so i get permissions errors
[12:23] <jrgns> i was wondering if i can bypass this using sudo, where it will actually ask the user doing the push for the sudo password
[12:23] <jrgns> if that makes sense?
[12:23] <Squirm> you could
[12:23] <Squirm> /etc/sudoers
[12:24] <Squirm> you can specify what users/groups can run specific commands
[12:24] <Squirm> with/without password
[12:24] <Squirm> just remember, it'll run the command as root
[12:24] <jrgns> i'm guessing i can specify the user using sudo -u
[12:25] <jrgns> how specific can I be when specifying commands? can I specify cmd and parameters, or just cmd?
[12:26] <charl_> you can specify the name of the command and parameters
[12:26] <Squirm> afaik, the command. so it'll take any parameters
[12:26] <Squirm> ah
[12:26] <Squirm> cool
[12:26] <charl_> well, if you specify the parameters before the command, they will be sudo parameters
[12:27] <charl_> if you specify the parameters after the command you want to invoke with sudo, they will be the parameters of the command
[12:27] <Squirm> I really need to go over my RHCE book. was meant to do my exam on the 15th of this month. Don't know if I'll be ready in time :p
[12:29] <charl_> sudo -u user tail -n 10 /var/log/syslog
[12:29] <charl_> now you are running "tail -n 10 /var/log/syslog" as the user called "user"
[12:30] <charl_> -u is a sudo argument, -n is a tail argument
[12:34] <charl_> jrgns: you want to use the NOPASSWD option i think in this instance
[12:35] <jrgns> i meant specifying the parameters of the command in the sudoers file
[12:35] <jrgns> so that it will only allow the command if passed with those specific parameters
[12:35] <jrgns> as the command that clears the cache is rm -fr /var/cache/website/*
[12:51] <charl_> jrgns: http://superuser.com/questions/167631/fine-grained-sudoers-configuration-allowed-commandline-arguments
[12:51] <charl_> i like the suggestion "Write a script that does what you want and give sudo access to it."
[12:51] <jrgns> _charl: awesome, thanx
[12:52] <jrgns> it's already a script that does what i want :)
[12:52] <jrgns> but yeah, i agree
[12:52] <charl_> it seems like you can in fact specify a command list
[12:52] <charl_> but it looks confusing
[12:52] <charl_> i would rather follow that suggestion
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> be sure that the user running the script cannot modify it, because if they can, they could potentially run anything with root access
[13:10] <jrgns> ThatGraemeGuy: wise words
[13:11] <jrgns> cheers all, enjoy the weekend
[13:17] <charl_> yeah that is a good point, thanks ThatGraemeGuy 
[14:18] <Symmetria> sup
[14:19] <magespawn> not much
[14:20] <magespawn> timkeller: is yoyo again
[14:20] <Symmetria> gahhhhh 6 month waiting period for my new car :(
[14:20] <magespawn> hard life, choose something else
[14:21] <magespawn> what car?
[14:22] <Symmetria> M5 
[14:22] <magespawn> well then it is worth waiting for
[14:23] <magespawn> stock, or are you modifying it?
[14:24] <magespawn> inetpro ping
[14:28] <Symmetria> magespawn its got every optional extra known to man on it
[14:28] <Symmetria> and a coupla other mods
[14:28] <Symmetria> its got official bmw chip in it and governer removed etc
[14:30] <magespawn> that is the way to go
[14:30] <magespawn> out run the highway patrol
[14:30] <Symmetria> I test drove the nissan GTR as well
[14:30] <Symmetria> its a lot faster than the M5, but... its kinda strange, for everything in there, it just doesnt feel like you're driving the same luxury
[14:30] <Symmetria> and its 2 damn quiet 
[14:31] <Symmetria> you driving a car that fast, the engine must howl at you when you put your foot down, it must FEEL like you're in a performance machine
[14:31] <Symmetria> and you just dont get that from the GTR
[14:32] <magespawn> all that german engineering
[14:32] <charl_> well if you are ordering a BMW M5 it is surely worth waiting for?
[14:33] <Symmetria> hehehe yeah but its still annoying to have to wait
[14:33] <Symmetria> ;p
[14:33] <charl_> not exactly a cheap vehicle
[14:33] <charl_> looking at the wikipedia page now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M5
[14:33] <magespawn> my new sort of buzz car is the nissan GTR
[14:33] <charl_> there are only two assembly points in the world, one in germany (obviously) and the other in south africa
[14:34] <charl_> i didn't realise they assemble BMW's in south africa, that is quite impressive
[14:34] <magespawn> did not know that
[14:34] <magespawn> none in the states?
[14:34] <charl_> not listed on the wikipedia
[14:35] <Symmetria> charl_ south african plant though doesnt make the M5 anymore though :(
[14:35] <charl_> ah i see, maybe the wikipedia is outdated
[14:36] <Symmetria> heh, we're the second largest producer of 3 series in the world though
[14:36] <charl_> yes then they have to bring it from germany by ship, no wonder you have to wait for 6 months :P
[14:36] <Symmetria> my ex fiance's dad ran their paint shop
[14:36] <Symmetria> magespawn I test drove that GTR
[14:36] <magespawn> awesome car 
[14:36] <Symmetria> its fast as hell, and it handles well, but... as I said, its missing something
[14:36] <magespawn> price difference?
[14:37] <Symmetria> its 2 damn quiet, it doesnt howl at you the way a sports car should, and it just... doesnt have that feeling you get from a germany luxury car
[14:37] <Symmetria> gtr is substantially cheaper 
[14:37] <Symmetria> and you can feel it when you're in it
[14:37] <magespawn> then take that money put it all into after market tuning 
[14:38] <Symmetria> lol i was tempted to just go screw it and buy an aston 
[14:39] <Symmetria> but that was a little... outta budget ;p
[14:45] <magespawn> well at least you will get to work quick
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'd have a C63 Coupe over a GTR
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> GTR is nice on paper, but like you say, the noise isn't there
[15:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> and on that bombshell, it is time to go!
[15:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> bye all
[15:17] <charl_> have a good weekend all!
[15:32] <magespawn> brb server reboot
[15:36] <Kilos> eveing all
[15:36] <Kilos> evening too
[15:43] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[15:43] <Kilos> inetpro, is jy nat?
[15:45] <Kilos> aw netsplits again
[15:51] <magespawn> hey Kilos just on my way home
[15:51] <magespawn> later all]
[15:51] <Kilos> k
[16:05] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn Vince-0 
[16:05] <Vince-0> hi
[16:06] <nlsthzn> alo
[16:17] <psyatw> hi Kilos 
[16:40] <superfly> moo
[16:41] <nlsthzn> >.>
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[17:46] <Kilos> aw timkeller your connection really sucks
[17:46] <Kilos> isnt there something you can do to get it more stable
[17:47] <Kilos> looks like about a 10 minute timeout
[17:53]  * Kilos hides join/part messages for now
[18:03] <Squirm> hi
[18:07]  * nlsthzn should be in bed already \o/
[18:14] <nlsthzn> good night -za land... and good luck with the jam tomorrow :) be sure to get some pics etc. and someone make a blog post or link me the info and I will do it if needed ;)
[18:33] <Kilos> night all . sleep tight
[18:33] <Squirm> night
[18:59] <smile4ever> hoi :D
[19:03] <Squirm> hoi to you too
[19:03]  * Squirm looks at timkeller 
[19:03] <Squirm> hi psyatw 
[19:03] <psyatw> hi Squirm 
[19:04] <psyatw> hoi
[19:04] <Squirm> :/
[19:08] <psyatw> why so sad?
[19:15] <Squirm> not sad
[19:15] <Squirm> grrr
[19:17]  * smile4ever looks at Squirm
[19:17] <smile4ever> :p
[22:23] <zeref> YawN