[01:58] how to update latest updates [03:26] so, ubuntu and jack and pulseaudio and firefox are broken??? cannot be integrated??? what the hell [03:26] anyone out there found a way around this? [03:26] shai_halud: around what? [03:26] ubuntu is the operating system, so its already "integrating" the others [03:27] getting jack and firefox to work together with pulseaudio in ubuntu studio [03:27] the new pulseJACK dbus lets audio work in jack from pulse [03:27] is it the one i got from the repo? [03:27] shai_halud: its the one that installs with ubuntustudio [03:27] or do i need to look elsewhere? running U.S. 12.10 [03:28] hm. well it doesn't work on my system [03:28] shai_halud: get JACK running first.. is it running? [03:29] no. i have to restart i guess, now, because the 2 programs had had this conflict. jack won't start right now [03:29] it will run fine after a reboot, as long as i leave firefox off [03:30] shai_halud: you dont have to do anything.. but you can if you want.. or open a terminal and run "ps aux | grep jack [03:30] i mean, jack is running, but i can't srat it [03:30] start [03:30] shai_halud: starting firefox crashes pulse? and kills the jack bridge? [03:30] shai_halud: you can "srat" it as stated above [03:30] no. jack stays working. firefox just won't work [03:31] ok [03:31] jack will not start if firefox is running first [03:31] shai_halud: firefox? or firefox audio? or flash ? [03:31] shai_halud: i wouldnt expect pulse or jack to juggle [03:31] yeah, media [03:31] i would choose if you want JACK or not.. get it started.. then open what you want to use [03:31] in firefox [03:32] i wouldnt expect to have pulse audio anything running, and have it happily switch to JACK, though i dont use the pulse to jack dbus anyway [03:32] even in that order, fireox just will not work (media i mean. regualr webpages load fine, but once i click a media link, FF crashes [03:33] what doesnt work? [03:33] all audio? [03:33] any flash in FF [03:33] shai_halud: flash? or audio? [03:34] well, they are both flash in the sites i use [03:34] soundcloud and youtube [03:34] shai_halud: that flash is out of date.. and wont *ever* be updated.. i would troubleshoot them seperately [03:34] shai_halud: i would do audio only in ff and test.. *not* flash.. [03:34] i don't know any place to do that [03:35] shai_halud: open a file, locally then.. in the browser [03:35] that uses audio without flash [03:35] oh [03:35] right! [03:35] shai_halud: flash issues are really not something we can fix.. [03:36] you can see here http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ the only linux version that is up to date is the chome one [03:36] any sound format? [03:37] i have .wav and .ogg close at hand. will have to hunt for an .,p3 [03:37] er ,mp3 [03:37] shai_halud: i just suggest removeing flash from the equation.. if its flash that is crashing pulse briefly and breaking things, there nothing to do about it, really [03:37] though others have solved the issue? [03:37] (i would like to know how!!) [03:38] shai_halud: flash has to solve its own issues.. and its EOL for us all [03:38] shai_halud: we are not allowed to maintain flash [03:38] shai_halud: just troubleshoot and make sure that its not flash that is causing the issue.. if it is, you can hit the brick wall with adobe about it.. if its not, we can get you to the proper place [03:41] firefox is playing a .wav file, but jack is running, and will not start [03:41] shai_halud: ?.. run the command i linked earier.. see that jack is not running.. stop *everything* [03:41] i ran the command you gave, it looks to have worked, but jack interface is dark, and patchage sgows nothing but my midi and timidity [03:42] ok i tell you what , let me reboot and start from scratch [03:42] brb [03:42] shai_halud: test audio with ff and pulse only.. then close ff and start jack and then open ff again and test again [03:42] then you can help me test this properly [03:42] brb [03:45] ok [03:45] back up, nothing but xchat running [03:46] start jack first, i guess? [03:50] jack running in cli, patchage shows system capture and playback, and midi through (2 instances of port-0) and timidity ports 0-3 [03:50] nope [03:50] stop jack [03:51] i closed the terminal. is that enough to stop it? [03:51] those things are still in patchage [03:51] see that its not running with [03:51] ps aux | grep jack [03:52] shai_halud: usually, you'll still leave jack running in the backgound by doing that [03:52] oh. that was what i thought started it [03:52] shai_halud: i would hit the actual "stop" button [03:52] see that jack is not running [03:52] josh 2386 0.4 2.2 250060 91272 ? SLsl 22:49 0:01 /usr/bin/jackd -T -ndefault -dalsa -dhw:0 -r44100 -p1024 -n2 [03:52] josh 2452 0.0 0.0 9388 920 pts/4 S+ 22:52 0:00 grep --color=auto jack [03:53] does that mean it is or isn't? [03:53] i see jackd in system monitor/processes [03:54] kill it? [03:55] closed patchage [03:55] kill - 2386 [03:55] and see if its gone [03:55] run that as a command? [03:56] i tried, and got bash: kill: : invalid signal specification [03:56] or you mean killall jackd -9 [03:57] shai_halud: i want you to kill all jack processes [03:57] done [03:57] so, no jack in ps aux | grep jack? [03:58] then, open ff up and that .wav and see that it works with pulse only [03:58] i ran killall jackd -9 . here is output of ps aux | grep jack: josh 2460 0.0 0.0 9388 924 pts/4 S+ 22:57 0:00 grep --color=auto jack [03:59] soit disappeared frmo processes [04:00] no instances of jack in processes [04:00] looks good.. lemme know that that file plays then [04:00] k [04:00] yes [04:00] then close ff.. open the qjackctl or jack control GUI and do *nothing* [04:00] just say "i have the gui open"and set there and let me ask you some things [04:01] jack gui open [04:01] qtjackctl [04:01] under the "misc" tab, you have "enable dbus" checked? [04:01] yes [04:02] shai_halud: what about frames/period and periods/buffer? [04:03] 44100? [04:03] frames/period is 1024 [04:03] sample rate is 44100 [04:03] periods/buffer is 2 [04:04] ok.. try starting JAck [04:04] started fine (as usual at this point) [04:05] pulseaudio jack-module loaded as well [04:05] in patchage [04:05] shai_halud: ok.. see that the connections are made [04:05] shai_halud: open ff, but avoid flash [04:05] sorry to spam ubu8ntu channel :/ [04:05] just try that .wav file [04:05] evilytwisted: nah, its cool.. its just specific, and borderline appropriate over there [04:06] and i really appreciate your tolerance for this issue im having [04:06] and the fact im a complete idiot with jack [04:06] .wav will not play [04:06] evilytwisted: no worries. JACK is not trivial [04:06] no kidding [04:06] shai_halud: in what way?.. stop ff and start it fromt he terminal, and try playing it again [04:07] shai_halud: also, open something else and check that the pulsedbus is working... [04:07] want me to pastebin the output of cli? [04:08] shai_halud: if its juicy [04:08] yes [04:08] mostly stuff about totem [04:08] holstein: what can i do now to fix the errors ive posted:? [04:08] or do you want me to post it again [04:09] holstein, http://www.pastebin.ca/2326893 [04:09] i get the GAIL error normally and does not interfere with FF operation [04:09] evilytwisted: you can post itain in case zequence or len_1304 are around [04:09] itain? [04:10] it again* [04:10] another error i usually get when i open FF via cli did not appear this time: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so [04:11] my connection is in and out.. [04:11] but i assume it is related to the GAIL error [04:11] some crap about gnome icons or something [04:12] well, the error should be there with Jack or not [04:12] OK, so heres the errors im having for runing jack.. it wont connect http://pastebin.com/nxKfZK4r what im trying to do .. if possible is use "recordmydesktop" to record the game audio myself and skype audio at the same time.. i ve managed to record the game audio and myself but not skype audio [04:12] jack reports no errors [04:13] but FF does not play the .wav file [04:13] (position indicator of track will not move) [04:14] hmm.... [04:14] shai_halud: are you up to date with upgrades? [04:14] yes [04:15] just did the ones that came late last night [04:15] i disable that dbus thing right off, so i have no first hand experience with it other than testing [04:16] i used to have to kill pulse with jack start just to make it work. now i have pulseaudio-jack-module installed and pulse connects automatically ( i see it in patchage) [04:17] i have never seen firefox or any thing in it connect in patchage [04:17] i think thats what evilytwisted will need to do [04:17] what? [04:18] evilytwisted: your error states pulse is running on hw:0 [04:18] install pulseaudio-jack-module? [04:18] ok is that the name of the package? [04:18] or no? [04:18] yes [04:18] does it not come automatically now? [04:18] exactly that. in synaptic [04:18] i thought JACK pulled it in [04:18] apparently not [04:18] : Unable to locate package pulseaudio-jack-module [04:19] evilytwisted, are you running ubuntu-studio 12.10? [04:19] pulseaudio-module-jack [04:19] !info pulseaudio-module-jack [04:19] pulseaudio-module-jack (source: pulseaudio): jackd modules for PulseAudio sound server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.1-0ubuntu4 (quantal), package size 21 kB, installed size 156 kB [04:19] haha my bad [04:19] no worries.. i had to apt-cache search for it [04:20] ty.. installing it [04:20] ok its installed [04:20] didn't help me much, but.... worth a shot in the dark [04:20] evilytwisted: try gksudo qjackctl and hit start [04:21] is skype it's own application? [04:21] evilytwisted: again, you dont want to run jack as root all the time.. [04:21] (i have, to this day, never used skype, or even seen it) [04:22] http://pastebin.com/TgS1kA3f [04:22] shai_halud: my girlfriend uses it.. so i use it with her. [04:22] still same errors [04:24] i have gotten everything but firefox to work with jack sofar [04:25] of course, everything else has a plugin for jack [04:25] Not to annoy anyone.. But would it matter that im Not really using ubuntu.. But a derivative of it? Linuxmint 14 kde... [04:26] it's still kind of ubuntu [04:26] hmmm.. it might matter [04:26] evilytwisted: not sure what they do to JACK though.. [04:26] Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.soi can't get jack to work properly in my mint installation eigher [04:26] woops ignore the failed to load. i accidentally pasted [04:26] evilytwisted: i might fire up an ubuntustudio or xubuntu live CD and just try with pavucontrol.. just for troubleshooting [04:27] i dont have anyway to fire up ubuntu studio.. Nor have a xubuntu live cd... [04:27] evilytwisted: at least you could get JACK running on the live CD [04:27] i never got jack working in mint either. i have it on another partition [04:27] evilytwisted: i was talking about live CD's for both [04:27] mint 14 nadia with MATE [04:27] ag [04:27] ah * [04:28] Ill try it out [04:28] ty for your help and sorry to bother you [04:28] yeah.. i had issues with it as well, on mint and derivitives.. .they dont need to care if they break jack [04:28] since they dont really ship it [04:28] i decided that since i was going to be doing all the media creation in ubuntu studio anyway, to focus my energies in it [04:28] reaosn why i was asking.. [04:28] evilytwisted: #opensourcemusicians has some mint users too [04:28] reason why i was asking [04:28] cause this ulseaudio-module-jack_1%3a2.1-0ubuntu4_amd64.deb) [04:29] that stated it got it from ubuntu [04:29] evilytwisted, if you intend to make music, you might get studio,and beef it up as much as possible. [04:29] yeah, but they could have done something with pulse that doesnt let JACK take over [04:29] ah, [04:29] everything but firefox works well with jack in it, with some effort [04:29] maybe not intentionally [04:29] shai_halud: im not trying to make music.. [04:29] oh [04:29] Mixing distros can have unforeseen consequences ... so can derivatives [04:30] all im trying to do is record screen desktop with both outputs.. [04:30] game.. myself.. and skype audio [04:30] Like camtasia for windows [04:30] which should be possible with jack [04:30] evilytwisted: i would try the simpler route, with pavucontrol from a live cd.. just in case soemthing is broken in mint.. might help you tack it down [04:30] cfhowlett: im not adding repos to my version [04:31] yeah [04:31] pavucontrol is now my volume control in systray [04:31] holstein: if that isnt it? [04:33] evilytwisted: i just did it [04:33] maybe its soemthign that i did when installing this [04:34] ill just reinstall mint [04:34] cause im the type of person to install everything [04:34] and anything [04:34] evilytwisted: http://imagebin.org/248531 [04:34] kernel panics 3 times already [04:35] evilytwisted: im not a mint hater... but we really cant support it in the channels, cause they do have their own thing going on [04:36] haha "cause im the type of person to install everything and anything".... i know where you're coming from [04:36] yeah i know holstein i want to show you soemthing i may [04:36] evilytwisted: sure [04:37] maybe i should have shown that i was in a call with someone on skype... [04:37] but ... here http://youtu.be/yTp-vxiGpaw [04:37] Youll see it got my audio [04:37] the game audio [04:37] But not skype [04:38] and the pavucontrol was exaclty like mine [04:38] evilytwisted: you can route it though... in pavucontrol [04:39] but, JACK can route as well [04:39] it seems like we are going in circles.. [04:39] Im trying to do that... [04:39] But i dont know how.. and someone mentioned jack.. [04:39] SO.... i got jack... [04:39] and it wont work [04:40] and again.. im not trying to annoy you [04:41] thing is, for one, to figure out what skyp uses to connect to audio, i think (but i do not know) [04:41] evilytwisted: let me render my session [04:41] ok [04:42] evilytwisted, one thing you can do to possibly find arros which occur is to start all these programs from a terminal. often , clues are in the output [04:42] Ok.. [04:42] evilytwisted: notice where my mouse is hovering [04:42] holstein: you never gave linkj [04:43] http://imagebin.org/248533 [04:43] evilytwisted, use your psychotic powers [04:43] or the link, if it's easier [04:44] i miss alsa [04:44] ok.. ill try that ty [04:44] shai_halud: its right there.. lubuntu has alsa only [04:44] it seems that since i installed pulseaudio module, nothing shows up as alsa anymore [04:44] shai_halud: i disable dbus [04:45] i have gone so far as to remove pulseaudio copletely to try and make this firefox issue go away, but then jack wouldn't start at all [04:46] if this works ty holstein [04:46] :D [04:46] ive had issues both places.. pulse works fine, and does great stuff.. i just dont need it [04:46] holstein, does your firefox play audio and flash through jack? [04:47] (my FF actually freezes completely if i try to play flash) [04:47] evilytwisted: its working for me.. i have the skype call in my video [04:47] shai_halud: it did when i tested the 12.04 and 12.10 iso's [04:48] i have to xkill FF after ward [04:48] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pviGSXrROvA&feature=youtu.be [04:48] i did wat you stated [04:48] and it isnt working for me [04:49] evilytwisted: cool.. it works right out of the box for me, so maybe its something mint does [04:50] here's what i got in #jack channel : shai_halud: it *IS* broken on ubuntu unless you have the absolute latest pre-release versions from them (regarding flash through jack) [04:50] shai_halud: there are problems with Pulse, problems with their packaging [04:51] evilytwisted: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1172535/temp/out-1.ogv gotta go to the end, you'll hear the skype test call audio [04:52] he told me to go find the ubuntu package managers and get them to fix it [04:52] (at least, i think it's a he.... i think of irc users as male.... does that make me sexist, or what? [04:52] ok holstein It is my pc... [04:53] cause you got yours working perfectly [04:53] ty [04:53] evilytwisted: well, you know its possible at least [04:53] Yeah [04:53] which is amazing [04:53] holstein, you are in ubuntu studio current;y? [04:53] shai_halud: nah... my studio rig is off [04:54] what are you using atm? [04:54] shai_halud: just ubuntu that ive customized [04:54] oh [04:54] i have alot of audio apps.. and its openbox [04:54] what DE? [04:54] oh [04:55] again ty for your help you 2, i really apreciate it [04:55] sure... anytime [04:55] as they say in spain: el gusto es mio [04:55] (or maybe it's mexico) [04:55] shai_halud: openbox and tint2 panel... conky.. kupfer [04:56] sounds like you know a significan't deal more about linux than i [04:57] shai_halud: nah... ive just been using it a while. [04:57] i have a complex about it. me too. 12 yrs [04:57] holstein: are you using pulse audio when you tested recordmydesktop and skype [04:57] or alsa? [04:57] evilytwisted: pulse.. thats pavucontrol [04:57] der [04:57] sorry [04:58] evilytwisted: no worries [04:58] pulse audio volume control [04:58] Yeah thats why i said der [04:58] woops [04:59] holstien: are you australian? [04:59] my aussie friends all say "no worries" [04:59] alot of them say mate [04:59] yes indeed [05:00] whats the package for gui of recordmydesktop? i have it but not the gui [05:00] shai_halud: no, im in the US, but i have aussie friends [05:01] crocodile dun dee? [05:01] !info recordmydesktop-gtk [05:01] Package recordmydesktop-gtk does not exist in quantal [05:01] DOes too! [05:01] it lies [05:01] flight of the concords: "That's not a knife.... oh, yes it is." turns to run [05:01] !info gtk-recordmydesktop [05:01] gtk-recordmydesktop (source: gtk-recordmydesktop): Graphical frontend for recordMyDesktop screencast tool. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.8-4.1ubuntu1 (quantal), package size 118 kB, installed size 795 kB [05:01] I was about to say... [05:02] I know very well thats a ubuntu repo package [05:06] ty holstein i got it working [05:07] hello [05:07] ha nice name sensimilla [05:07] same to you.. [05:08] :) [05:08] (it's the fremen name for sandworms [05:08] (Dune) [05:09] so um [05:09] i seem to be missing /usr/share/ubuntustudio-docs/ [05:10] i know most of that is available online but is there an easy to get it into my system... I had a language hiccup on install [05:10] everything else seems to be there [05:12] whoops [05:12] google. [05:12] :/ [05:12] -_- sorry [05:13] did you search already in synaptic? [05:14] no i am not familiar with synaptic. recent windows convert. i found a ppa tho [05:15] shai_halud: im out... mabye ask the fellas in #opensourcemusicians about ff and pulse/jack.. or the mailing list, or zequence or len_1304 if you see them.. [05:16] ty [05:18] oholstein: ok. thanks for your help [05:19] i am at this point resigned to use one or the other and reboot in between [05:20] damn. the first thing about linux a windows user needs to know is synaptic [05:21] too bad he left before i told him [05:21] he'll figure it otu === TheMaster is now known as Hypnotoad [09:50] holstein: That guy shai_halud seemed have been suffering from the two bugs that both 12.04 and 12.10 have, but are fixed now. 1. stopping jackdbus makes it freeze in the background, and the only way to kill it is: killall -9 jackdbus. 2. Pulseaudio doesn't let go of the audio device, and especially if it's busy doing something [09:51] So, the advice should be, close all applications, be it jack or PA. Kill jackdbus. Start jack, then do whatever you want [09:52] holstein: There's a SRU waiting to be approved for jack, and I will prepare one for PA as well [11:53] Anyone here use dvdstyler? [12:02] jbermudes: Don't think any of the devs do. Are you having problems with it? [12:03] zequence: Sort of. I just had some questions about custom templates if anyone has used them. Google wasn't much help in that regard [12:09] jbermudes: Ok. Can't tell you much about that. [16:52] 04:50 < zequence> holstein: That guy shai_halud seemed have been suffering from the two bugs that both 12.04 and 12.10 have, but are fixed now. 1. stopping jackdbus makes it freeze in the background, and the only way to kill it is: killall -9 jackdbus. 2. Pulseaudio doesn't let go of the audio device, and especially if it's busy doing something [16:52] shai_halud: ^^ [16:52] 04:51 < zequence> So, the advice should be, close all applications, be it jack or PA. Kill jackdbus. Start jack, then do whatever you want [16:52] hello [16:52] 04:51 -!- TheGrey [~TheGrey__@87.115.77.15] has quit [Quit: Leaving] [16:52] 04:52 < zequence> holstein: There's a SRU waiting to be approved for jack, and I will prepare one for PA as well [16:53] reDING [16:53] reading [16:54] shai_halud: So basically, there are a couple of bugs in your system, and the workaround is to treat jack and PA gently :) [16:54] thank you very much. what is the SRU mentioned? [16:54] SRU == Stable Release Update [16:54] Takes a while to get a patch into stable releases [16:54] oh. does zequence have something to do with these softwares? [16:55] Not directly. I, like holstein am a part of the Ubuntu Studio team [16:55] hi zequence [16:55] hi [16:55] hey,, off topic- what did you think of Shudder to Think? [16:56] Z [16:56] Ah, well. Not my cup of tea, I'm afraid :) [16:56] and it is good to know anyone who works on the software I use on a daily basis [16:57] thanks for all your work guys, seriously [16:57] Most of the work is done by the software developers, and the debian package maintainers. [16:58] so, if i understood you right, Zequence, did you say kill ps and jack, then start over by turning jack back on? [16:58] er i meant pa not ps [16:58] shai_halud: Yes. Kill jackdbus. That usually is enough. Sometimes you need to kill PA too. To kill jackdbus in its frozen state, you need to do the command: killall -9 jackdbus [16:59] Then, before starting jack again, make sure PA is not busy doing anyhing [16:59] Nothing should be loaded [16:59] Like a youtube video, even if its paused [16:59] so i can safely kill all pa processes? [17:00] Just close any application that uses PA [17:00] oh [17:00] To make things easy, just close all applications [17:00] right [17:00] well, i am afraid i have tried this approach to no avail [17:00] that is the first thing i did [17:01] for instancem restarting [17:01] shai_halud: If you can't start jack, even when PA is not busy, then you need to suspend PA when starting jack [17:02] i can start jack with pa running [17:02] er [17:02] shai_halud: Always make sure you killed jackdbus after an unsuccesful start, or it might be frozen in the background [17:02] i mean, when it is present in processes. it is just media in firefox that is the problem [17:02]