[00:11] <subman> I have a dual monitors, but whenever I start up Xubuntu I have to open up the nVidia Setting Manger and reset the dual monitor settings.  By default they are just acting as mirrors.
[00:12] <moetunes> subman:  tried saving the session?
[00:12] <subman> moetunes, yes, no luck
[00:13] <subman> moetunes, Do you mean Save to X Config?
[00:13] <subman> moetunes, or at logout?
[00:14] <moetunes> I meant save the xsession in xfce - is the nvidia settings manager saving what you do to a file?
[00:16] <subman> moetunes, How would I know?
[00:16] <moetunes> subman:  check in session in the settings manager
[00:25] <subman> moetunes, I don't see a 'session' in 'settings manager'
[00:27] <subman> moetunes, Do you mean in nvidia settings manager?  The 'Save Current Configuration' checkbox?
[00:27] <moetunes> subman:  that should save the settings to /etc/X11/xorg.conf so they are used at every startup
[00:28] <moetunes> should be a sessions and startup entry in the settings manager - not on a xfce box atm
[00:29] <subman> Actually it asks me for a place to store a file named .nvidia-settings-rc.
[00:29] <subman> I've tried the save to x configuration file and that does not work either
[00:30] <subman> moetunes, you lost me with 'should be a sessions and startup entry...'
[00:30] <subman> moetunes, I found it.
[00:34] <subman> moetunes, nope, I just logged off and back on again after saving the session and I still had to reset the monitors
[00:35] <moetunes> subman:  do you have a /etc/X11/xorg.conf file?
[00:35] <subman> yes
[00:36] <moetunes> is that set up to have the monitors how you want them? does it mention xinerama?
[00:36] <subman> It does not mention xinerama
[00:37] <moetunes> I guess that's why you are having the issue - do you start nvidia-settings or whatever you use with sudo?
[00:37] <subman> No
[00:37] <moetunes> or gksu?
[00:37] <subman> Probably can't save then?
[00:37] <moetunes> try that so it can write the file
[00:38] <moetunes> !gksu
[00:39] <subman> How do you find the name of a program in the Settings Manager to be able to run it from a terminal?
[00:40] <moetunes> which one are you trying to run? what do you do in the settings manager to run it?
[00:40] <moetunes> xfce's monitor setup?
[00:41] <subman> NVIDIA X Server Settings
[00:41] <moetunes> in a terminal do   gksudo nvidia-settings
[00:42] <subman> yeah, it is nvidia-settings-manager
[00:42] <moetunes> this is a neat tip
[00:42] <moetunes> !tab
[00:42] <subman> Thanks!
[00:42] <moetunes> ceers
[00:42] <subman> I'm going to try a logout and back in again
[00:43] <moetunes> cheers
[00:44] <subman> moetunes, nope, same problem
[00:45] <nakp> hell low! :P
[00:46] <nakp> anybody here having troubles with live usbs?
[00:46] <holstein> nakp: no... i use unetbootin, and i format my sticks
[00:47] <moetunes> subman:  is the xorg.conf file changed from before?
[00:49] <subman> moetunes, I only see it addressing one monitor in there.  Monitor0
[00:49] <moetunes> subman:  that's the bit you have to sort out first - try this link
[00:49] <moetunes> !nvidia
[00:49] <nakp> holstein: so did I but it always messed up with "config apt for extra idunnowhat from CD"
[00:49] <holstein> nakp: what iso?
[00:50] <nakp> x86 one
[00:50] <nakp> i checked the sum :/
[00:50] <holstein> nakp: the live one? it works fine for me
[00:50] <subman> moetunes, It looks like the xorg way does not work and you have to use a xranrd command line at startup.  PITA.  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1982974&page=2
[00:50] <nakp> and ive used it before
[00:50] <nakp> i removed it and used elementary
[00:50] <nakp> then back to xubuntu
[00:50] <nakp> and it was messed up
[00:51] <holstein> nakp: it?? the usb?
[00:51] <nakp> same iso, same stick, same unetbootin version
[00:51] <nakp> no
[00:51] <nakp> it's not the usb
[00:51] <nakp> the error is like couldnt config apt to install extra packages or something like that
[00:52] <nakp> now i used LiLi and did the job :P
[00:52] <holstein> nakp: its live.. you just install from it, and then install whatever you like
[00:52] <subman> moetunes, I tried Lubuntu some time ago and it had the very same issues.  I never really dug into it at the time though.
[00:52] <nakp> holstein: intall is aborted :P
[00:53] <nakp> i think its more related to unetbootin than xubuntu
[00:53] <holstein> nakp: then, i would just the installation source.. i also dont install packages while installing the os
[00:53] <nakp> but i still was curious about it because as you, i've installed same iso with same usb stick before
[00:53] <holstein> nakp: did you select "install upgrades while installing"
[00:53] <nakp> it fails even when dc and without fluendo stuff
[00:53] <nakp> nope
[00:53] <nakp> never
[00:54] <holstein> nakp: well, if everything is *exactly* the same, and its failing, then i think you are missing something somewhere
[00:54] <nakp> it might be that i did not completely erase previous "livecd" i had
[00:55] <nakp> because i had xubuntu > elementary > xubuntu
[00:55] <holstein> nakp: i format the stick
[00:55] <nakp> nah i have too many files there.. i just delete old files
[00:55] <nakp> first time i did
[00:55] <nakp> 2nd too
[00:55] <nakp> 3rd back to xubuntu i didnt
[00:55] <holstein> sounds like a troubleshooting vector to me
[00:55] <nakp> anyway xD im here not to solve my problem hahaha
[00:55] <nakp> just to feedback :P
[00:56] <nakp> because ive seen just a few posts about this since 11.04 and nobody had a solution :P
[00:56] <holstein> nakp: sure, but if you format, and it works, then we *know* its not related to xubuntu and/or the iso.. then you can properly give feedback in the right place
[00:56] <holstein> nakp: i dont have the issue to seek a solution
[00:57] <nakp> i meant.. if someone else comes around with the same issue :P
[00:57] <holstein> nakp: they have, and i say "i format and use unetbootin" and so far, when they do the same, all is well
[00:58] <nakp> well :P
[00:58] <nakp> i only have 1 stick haha
[00:58] <nakp> i rather delete all linux related files to make it work
[00:58] <holstein> nakp: or to try to make it work, but maybe not
[00:59] <holstein> i had an issue a few times without formatting.. now i just do it each time
[00:59] <nakp> the error is related with checking files and some signature.pgp files
[00:59] <nakp> so it should do the job
[00:59] <holstein> nakp: should...
[01:00] <nakp> well :P
[01:00] <nakp> g2g now
[01:00] <nakp> thank you for your time ñ_ñ
[01:00] <nakp> see ya :P
[01:00] <holstein> nakp: good luck!
[01:10] <bravis> so do i want Xubuntu or ubuntu?
[01:12] <holstein> bravis: this is the xubuntu channel, so you will likely be swayed to xubuntu... xubuntu *is* ubuntu, though they look and feel different.. i would try them live and decide which you prefer
[01:14] <bravis> this is why i ask because the follow up is what features you like more is it Xfce only or others
[01:16] <holstein> bravis: but, this is the xbuntu channel.. so of course we like XFCE.. but its a matter of opinion
[02:57] <bravis> is there a startup disk creaton in Xbuntu?
[02:57] <Unit193> Yes, and even if there wasn't, you could always install it.  It is in settings manager.
[03:00] <bravis> hmm not seeing it  so i will install
[03:23] <bravis> good to go
[04:43] <bravis> Ok cannd? someone tell me how to deal with LOW sou
[04:46] <bravis> can someone tell me how to correct the low sound?
[04:48] <holstein> !sound | bravis
[04:49] <bravis> ty
[09:34] <disty> Hi, morning.
[09:34] <disty> My sound has disappeared.
[12:08] <disty> Hi, the sound has disappeared in my xubuntu.
[12:08] <disty> Please, help me.
[12:12] <disty> I've tried to fix it with this page: http://www.freewayprojects.com/2012/05/sound-not-working-in-xubuntu-12-04-on-my-new-hp-elitebook-will-not-unmute-with-media-button-solved/
[12:12] <zorgborg> disty: have you tried restarting your comp?
[12:12] <disty> But I think I've worsened.
[12:12] <disty> Yes, zorgborg.
[12:14] <disty> After # apt-get purge linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils / apt-get install linux-sound-base alsa-base alsa-utils / apt-get install xubuntu-desktop /  apt-get purge remove pulseaudio ....
[12:14] <disty> After all that, I restart the comp and the volume icon has disappeared.
[12:14] <disty> And continue the issue.
[12:16] <zorgborg> disty: no wonder after al that purging, i fail to see how installing xubuntu-desktop would do anything when you're already using xubuntu
[12:17] <zorgborg> zorgborg: maybe when you've removed and reinstalled those sound packages its messed up configuration files or something?
[12:18] <zorgborg> love how i addressed the last message to myself
[12:18] <disty> xDD
[12:19] <disty> What can I do, zorgborg?
[12:19] <zorgborg> zorgborg: im no expert, but those instructions are for 12.04, aren't you using 12.10?
[12:20] <disty> Haha.
[12:20] <disty> No idea.
[12:20] <disty> How could I see it?
[12:21] <disty> I don'r remember the command.
[12:21] <zorgborg> disty: the website you provided above gives instructions for re-enabling sound in xubuntu 12.04
[12:22] <disty> 12.04
[12:22] <disty> I have.
[12:22] <zorgborg> disty: and to see your previous commands, in a terminal you can press up or open the history file with: history | less
[12:23] <disty> Ok, thx.
[12:23] <disty> And to reenabling sound?
[12:23] <disty> xDD
[12:23] <disty> :(
[12:24] <zorgborg> disty: if you're using 12.04, you should really upgrade to 12.10
[12:25] <disty> How.
[12:25] <disty> I'm a noob.
[12:26] <zorgborg> disty: especially as it says at the bottom of that webpage "until a recent xubuntu update the sound would start up on mute"... so seems like upgrading may solve the issue
[12:26] <zorgborg> disty: well, how did you manage to install xubuntu 12.04?
[12:26] <disty> Cd-rom.
[12:28] <zorgborg> disty: did you get the CD from a friend or the internet? you can download the xubuntu 12.10 ISO file from the xubuntu website, install that on a CD or USB and install it
[12:29] <disty> Download by me.
[12:29] <disty> Ok.
[12:30] <disty> The matter is that I have not time in this moment for all this.
[12:30] <disty> If there is no choice...
[12:32] <zorgborg> disty: you can maybe just upgrade to 12.10 without a CD, open up software sources and make sure in the updates tab that 'notify me of a new ubuntu version:' is set to 'for any new version'
[12:33] <zorgborg> disty: there probably is a choice but i havent a clue how to fix the sound issue specifically, im just suggesting what i would do :/
[12:33] <disty> You're charming, don't worry.
[12:33] <zorgborg> zorgborg: but if software sources is set to that it should give you the option of upgrading to 12.10 anyway
[12:36] <disty> Hahaha.
[12:36] <zorgborg> ha dammit
[12:37] <disty> You love to yourself.
[12:37] <disty> zorgborg: <3 zorgborg
[12:39] <zorgborg> disty: im knackered, that explains it, never happened b4
[12:40] <zorgborg> disty: but anyway if you do upgrade to 12.10 via either means, make sure you back up all your files first, tho if you use install CD it should give you the option of upgrading 12.04 to 12.10 while keeping all your files, so shouldn't take too long to upgrade i would think
[12:41] <disty> Ok, friend, :-)
[12:42] <zorgborg> disty: no problemo
[13:14] <XATRIX> Hi guys, any idea how can i map Win button to open the main menu ?
[13:18] <zorgborg> XATRIX: winkey is known as the 'super' key i think, go to settings > keyboard > shortcuts > to modify or create shortcuts
[13:19] <zorgborg> XATRIX: alt + F1 is already mapped to open the main menu btw
Escape ?
[13:20] <XATRIX> What's that ?
[13:20] <zorgborg> XATRIX: primary is ctrl for some reason in xubuntu
[13:21] <XATRIX> Ok, thanks
[13:22] <XATRIX> xfdesktop --menu Super_L - nothing happens
[13:22] <zorgborg> XATRIX: you can remap that shortcut by double clicking on it, and a little window pops up to remap it, and you just press the keys you want as the new shortcut (at the same time ofc) and viola
[13:24] <GridCube> XATRIX, you need xfce4-popup-applicationsmenu
[13:24] <GridCube> no xfdesktop
[13:25] <XATRIX> Ah
[13:25] <XATRIX> Yup it works
[13:25] <GridCube> :) it should
[13:26] <XATRIX> But i can't open/close it with Win key
[13:26] <XATRIX> Only open
[13:26] <GridCube> escape
[13:26] <GridCube> in any case, you should learn to alt-f2, and use the appfinder :P
[13:26] <XATRIX> Yep!
[13:27] <XATRIX> Thanks :)
[13:27] <XATRIX> It's for my GF :)
[13:27] <GridCube> :D teach her new more productive ways of working :D
[13:27] <XATRIX> As for me, so it's better to use awesome wm if you want appfinder ;)
[13:28] <GridCube> P: i just type and hope it works
[13:29] <XATRIX> Yea :)
[13:29] <XATRIX> Anyway thanks for all
[13:29] <GridCube> no problem :) good lucks
[16:28] <zorgborg> hi, does anyone know how to rotate images in imageviewer and save them as the rotated version? rotating them and then saving them doesnt work :(
[17:37] <Cheri703> is there an easy way to upgrade from ubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 12.10?
[17:38] <GridCube> yes
[17:38]  * Cheri703 appends "and if so, how?" to the original question
[17:39] <Cheri703> it seems like a diagonal move, so I wasn't sure :)
[17:39] <GridCube> enable the updates on the Software Sources settings
[17:40] <Cheri703> I'm not doing it in real time
[17:40] <Cheri703> it'll be after I get back from errands later :)
[17:41] <Cheri703> I can poke you to ask then
[17:42] <GridCube> open usc, go to edit > Software Sources, go to the updates tab, go to the last option and change "notify me of a new xubuntu version" from "only for lts" to "any"
[17:42] <Cheri703> no, I have vanilla ubuntu on my one computer
[17:42] <Cheri703> I want to go from vanilla ubuntu 12.04 to xubuntu 12.10
[17:42] <GridCube> you cant just do that
[17:42] <Cheri703> I get that I can do xubuntu to xubuntu, I'm wondering if there's an easy path from vanilla to x
[17:43] <Cheri703> ok, that was my initial question
[17:43] <GridCube> you need to install xubuntu-desktop and then update it
[17:43] <Cheri703> thanks :) I was hoping to avoid a full reinstallation, but if that's the only option, that's fine. it's a slow computer and is very laggy with regular ubuntu. has been for a while, but I just dealt with it
[17:43] <Cheri703> ok
[17:44] <GridCube> !purexubuntu | Cheri703
[17:45] <GridCube> if you remove mainbuntu before updating it will not be so much work
[17:45] <Zelouille> Cheri703: Ubuntu 12.04 is a LTS (Long Term Support) version. Ubuntu 12.10 is not. So, make sure of what you're doing.
[17:46] <Cheri703> yeah I know :)
[17:46] <Cheri703> alright, I'm off. thanks!
[17:47] <GridCube> np
[18:37] <Levy_> Hi, i have a question. How to install a new themes in xfce ? I'm download the tar.gz theme files, uncompres the files in .home/user/.themes folder, and the theme not appear nothing in the theme selector menu
[18:38] <Levy_> the theme file names: 124442-Pulse-Glass.tar
[18:39] <baizon> Levy_: http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.de/2012/06/how-to-install-desktop-themes-in.html
[18:40] <baizon> Levy_: but it has to be compatible with xfce :)
[18:41] <Levy_> another xfce themes download pages ?
[18:42] <Levy_> this 124442-Pulse-Glass.tar file i'ts not compatible with xfce 4.10 ?
[18:44] <holstein> Levy_: the theme should say what its compatible with
[18:45] <SonikkuAmerica> Levy_: Try dumping (extracting) the tarball into /usr/share/themes/ (as root)
[18:46] <SonikkuAmerica> Levy_: Then go into the Settings Manager and find it
[18:46] <Levy_> how to install XFCE-Themes-Manager in comand line ?
[18:48] <SonikkuAmerica> The only one I found is only compatible with GTK+ 2
[18:50] <Levy_> i'm newbie in linux, and don't know what is GTK+ 2 :)
[18:51] <holstein> Levy_: you can always search terms you dont know.. but, this is related to XFCE suppport
[18:51] <SonikkuAmerica> !gtk | Levy: here's a brief description
[18:52] <SonikkuAmerica> Levy_: Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GTK
[18:55] <Levy_> thanks for all ansvers, i'm triing to install new themes
[18:56] <Levy_> sorry for my bad englis :(
[19:04] <ncmcxx> anyone know how to use fdisk? i am trying to format a usb flash disk that requires 2 partitions one for the OS I am guessing and one for SWAP?
[19:05] <baizon> ncmcxx: you can use GParted
[19:05] <baizon> it has a nice GUI :)
[19:07] <ncmcxx> ok will try it :) thanks
[19:13] <GCTA> please can we *please* have gparted on xubuntu?
[19:13] <GCTA> we need that more than we need sudoku and minesweeper
[19:14] <holstein> GCTA: its in the repos.. you can install it if its not there by default
[19:14] <GCTA> its not there by default. thats my point
[19:14] <holstein> GCTA: its easy to install.. just search for it in the package manager of your choice
[19:15] <GCTA> we need gparted more than we need sudoku and minesweeper
[19:15] <holstein> GCTA: sure, and you can have it.. its an easy install. its usually one of the first things i install
[19:16] <holstein> GCTA: im just guessing here, but one argument could be that, if you need/want gparted, you will be the kind of person who can install it, and will understand what can be broken with it.. the others you mention are just to round out a well balanced desktop experience
[19:17] <GCTA> can i just let this request hang untill some one has an actualy question?  can we please have gparted by default? er need t more than sudoku / minesweeper
[19:17] <bazhang> file a wishlist bug or brainstorm suggest it GCTA
[19:17] <holstein> GCTA: if the focus of xubuntu were "a distro where you can create and edit partitions", i would personally totally agree.. but as it is now, if you need gparted, you likely know how to get it
[19:18] <bazhang> !brainstorm | GCTA
[19:18] <bazhang> or just do what most more advanced users do: install it and/or get the SixtyMb iso gparted livecd GCTA
[19:19] <holstein> GCTA: imagine if someone in your family had just gotten xubuntu, and they are not "computer savvy".. imagine what they could break with gparted
[19:23] <drc> on the other hand, <knowing> what you are doing but not <watching> what you are doing can have bad results too...personal experience :(
[19:25] <holstein> i can understand why gparted might not be included by default, for a desktop workstation focused installation... less chance for "bad results"
[19:27] <xubuntu647> hey there.
[19:27] <drc> Just out of curiosity, does ubuntu still include gnome disk utility by default (I know they used to)?
[19:28] <bazhang> its called Disks now drc
[19:28] <drc> ah, thanks
[19:28] <xubuntu647> I just downloaded xubuntu torrent through utorrent and would like to put it on a usb stick  to install on my computer
[19:29] <drc> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[19:29] <bazhang> !unetbootin | xubuntu647
[19:29] <xubuntu647> The file is still under utorrent as 'completed' but still seeding. What is the next step please
[19:29] <Unit193> drc: If installed on Xubuntu, it's in the settings manager.
[19:30] <bazhang> read the link above xubuntu647
[19:31] <xubuntu647> actually, I know how to load ubuntu from the usb, but I don't know how to get the torrent version from utorrent to a folder on my computer to put on usb with penlinux
[19:31] <xubuntu647> sorry...meant pendrive
[19:31] <drc> xubuntu647: Read The Links
[19:32] <bazhang> there are ways to do it with windows, xubuntu647
[19:33] <SuperLag> With Unity you can access the menus for an app along the top of the screen, when you drag your mouse pointer up there... with XFCE, where do an app's menus go? For example, with Thunderbird, it seems as if its menus disappear.
[19:35] <pleia2> SuperLag: do you have a screenshot demonstrating? Xfce works like old gnome did, the menus are inside the application, not in the xfce panel
[19:36] <drc> SuperLag: They shouldn't dissappear...is it all apps or just Thunderbird.
[19:51] <designbybeck> I have a new install of Xubuntu 12.10, but is there a awy to get the XCFE updated to the latest as well?
[19:51] <designbybeck> oh, sorry. I lied. This is only Xubuntu 12.10
[19:52] <designbybeck> my bad! Not sure if this lil' old computer will run anything else newer. But I might give it a try
[19:52] <designbybeck> sorry This is only 11.10 I have now
[19:53] <designbybeck> ah yes, that is why... 12.10 doesn't fit on a CD and  I don't have a DVD drive for this old system
[19:54] <bazhang> PPa perhaps
[19:54] <bazhang> !ppa
[19:56] <drc> https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12 states that going from 12.04 requires the 4.10 ppa but nothing about older versions, so I'm guessing that it's not in the cards
[19:57] <designbybeck> ah Ok... maybe I can try a ppa?
[19:57] <designbybeck> or force upgrade!
[19:57] <designbybeck> I didn't even think about this for this old machine
[19:57] <knome> designbybeck, you should be able to upgrade normally to 12.04
[19:58] <knome> designbybeck, and then 12.10
[19:58] <designbybeck> I'll give tit a try drc. I don't mind breaking it if I do! ;)
[20:00] <designbybeck> So it sees 12.10 is a new release. Can I just go from 11.10 to 12.10?
[20:00] <bazhang> not in one step, no
[20:01] <designbybeck> hmm ok... So the Update Manager is telling me 12.10 is availbable. So I need to add the 12.04 ppa first and do it that why
[20:02] <bazhang> go for the PPA after getting to 12.10
[20:03] <designbybeck> Ok, thanks for the feedback
[21:14] <xubuntu083> Hello, I am having troubles installing XUbuntu on a virtual machine with Virtual Box
[21:15] <torax> xubuntu083: what kind of troubles?
[21:18] <xubuntu083> it wont install at all
[21:34] <GCTA> any specific errors?
[21:55] <Guest11673> anyone know how can i set root pass on Xubuntu?
[22:00] <knome> !rootsudo | Guest11673
[22:05] <Guest11673> i want to install an abode flash player for youtube...from an .rpm file and i must be root to do that..
[22:06] <knome> !info flashplugin-installer
[22:06] <knome> Guest11673, install that package
[22:06] <harrisr> Always have your stuff when you need it with @Dropbox. Sign up for free! http://db.tt/GEUdip68 just sign up and install dropbox so we both get space
[22:06] <Unit193> !info adobe-flashplugin partner
[22:07] <Unit193> harrisr: Don't spam here.
[22:07] <harrisr> i need space sign up
[22:07] <Unit193> Also don't spam #ubuntu, that is not the place for it.
[22:07] <Unit193> You can buy a better plan.
[22:07] <harrisr> how do u know i was on ubuntu
[22:12] <Guest11673> knome thank you for the help man i ve done it :D
[22:12] <knome> Guest11673, no problem. have fun!
[22:13] <knome> Guest11673, and remember you don't need root, simply use sudo (or gksudo for graphical applications)
[22:18] <zoredache> is there something like ssh-askpass I can add to my script to get an arbitrary password via a GUI prompt and then feed it to an app?
[22:19] <GridCube> zoredache, gnome-keyring?
[23:05] <SuperLag> pleia2: looks like the menu bar got disabled. I don't know how. It was working with Gnome. (sorry for my delay in response)
[23:20] <GridCube> SuperLag, what problem do you have
[23:20] <GridCube> ?
[23:42] <Zelouille> SuperLag: you probably need to remove thinderbird-globalmenu if you came from Ubuntu/Unity