=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away === Hornet- is now known as Hornet [07:59] morning [08:06] \o [08:07] * MartijnVdS is installing Raspbian on his Pi [08:09] morning [08:09] morning [08:10] Rasputin Pi [08:10] popey: so.. my prediction was sort-of correct ;) [08:10] popey: re: undocking ;) [08:10] jacobw: unkillable? [08:10] Haha [08:12] the battery was loose [08:12] rasputin(1869): operation not permitted [08:12] which i hadn't expected [08:12] popey: I predicted a violent crash [08:12] and kinda annoyed me, as I was hoping to see what happened [08:12] wasn't at all violent [08:12] very quiet [08:12] jacobw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fow7iUaKrq4 [08:16] MartijnVdS: oh my goodness [08:18] jacobw: that's nerdcore :) [08:20] it's very special [08:21] perhaps i'm mean, i always jump straight to kill -9 [08:21] jacobw: I found this one in a £1 bin once: http://www.amazon.com/Brief-History-Rhyme-Greatest-Hits/dp/B00069YE70 [08:21] so I bought it [08:22] Nice [08:23] i cant watch that video after the bit where he said kill -9 [08:23] popey: Why not? [08:27] i have this aversion which makes me turn it off [08:27] like, cringe avoidance? [08:27] Irrational fear of rapping? [08:30] That's usually rational [08:34] cringe avoidance I think [08:34] i used to look away sometimes when the office was on [08:34] Tegra 4i provides "Up To 2.3 GHz Quad-Core" ... This has to be put in an Ubuntu phone :) [08:35] that would be nice [08:35] popey: I can't watch most things with Ricky Gervais because of cringe [08:35] I never even watched The Office [08:35] I don't like Gervais [08:35] Ja, same thing MartijnVdS [08:35] jacobw: He's a lot better in "The Invention o[Df Lying" [08:35] I could actually watch that [08:36] I thought that was kinda boring [08:37] * MartijnVdS is off to the supermarket [08:38] Ubuntu Touch Preview ported to Kindle Fire \0/ [08:42] If it could dual boot, that'd be awesome [09:06] jacobw: Technically it can, but you'd have to change the partition layout [09:06] jacobw: Not much point at the moment though. No wifi, codecs missing/not working and the ram optimisation is awful [09:18] some people have multi-booted android and ubuntu phone [09:22] some people scare me [09:41] AlanBell: Morning [09:50] Busy as always in here I see [09:51] morning [09:52] Aah, there's one. Morning popey [09:52] Mr. Bell has been very quiet recently. Is he especially busy at the moment? [09:53] i dont think he's been quiet [09:53] I asked him if I could have some 12.10 discs a while back and I haven't had a reply since [09:54] perhaps he doesn't like me? lol [09:55] did you send him an sae? [09:55] as per http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ [09:56] I emailed him and he said he'd look into how to get some to me. I offered to collect and it's been silence ever since [09:56] Odds are I simply know when is the worst time to contact him and he's not at the screen or busy with something [10:00] I don't suppose you know when all the new scopes are due to hit 13.04 do you? [10:03] wow.. half-life gets updated a lot on steam [10:03] it does? [10:03] every time I start steam it gets another few MB of updates [10:04] is that a good thing? or bad? [10:19] Active development is good, right? [10:20] Lots of bugs, being fixed. Hmm, lots of bugs.. [10:20] I'd say so, and let's hope valve as are serious as they appear to be [10:23] Am I still online? [10:23] I can see you o.o [10:24] Why is it whenever your laptop falls from a height it's always slightly further away than you can reach? [10:28] Oh and I'd just like to say the invisible portion of the scrollbar on 13.04 which takes you to the window underneath is driving me nuts!!! [10:37] cliftonts: you can disable the "overlay scrollbars" as they are called [10:37] It's not the scrollbar, it's the fact the whole window stops a sliver short of the edge of the screen [10:37] So I keep clicking on the window behind it [10:39] And the scrollbars on the window in question aren't overlay [10:52] good morning everyone, [10:53] You'll have to excuse them...they've lost their tongues [10:54] ok. [10:54] I've been trying to chat to people and have about 3 unfinished conversations right now [10:55] how are you anyway? [10:55] cliftonts: not bad overall, busy afternoon to come, and you? [10:56] pretty good, business is taking off and I'm even managing to work a little ubuntu in there for good measure [10:57] :) [10:57] That side of my business totally stalled but I'm determined to make it work [10:57] :) [10:58] I've been trying out 13.04 recently. Asside from a stroppy graphics driver it seems pretty solid [10:59] cool, i have yet to try it, [10:59] I wanted to check out all the new scopes being added to the dash but they aren't there yet [11:00] I must've asked when they are arriving 20 times but people just stop replying when I ask [11:00] ah. [11:01] people don't seem to chat on here, just a few sentences then they're gone again [11:03] cliftonts: it varies, quite alot, have a look at the stats on my server taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html might give you a clearer picture. [11:03] Probably depends on the day and time I guess [11:03] cliftonts: not true [11:03] morning all [11:04] morning popey and AlanBell [11:04] popey: based solely on my observations when I have been on [11:04] hi cliftonts [11:04] cliftonts: which isn't very often ☺ [11:04] cliftonts: you're on at the wrong times :P [11:04] AlanBell: The mystery man returns, how's it going? [11:04] cliftonts: I leave a client logged on 24/7 [11:04] popey, MartijnVdS: Very true [11:04] going fine :) [11:05] cliftonts: are you going to the hackntalk thing next weekend? [11:05] AlanBell: I know you do, which is why if I want to get hold of you I often pop in just to see if you're about first [11:05] No, I've been so busy I don't even know what or where it is [11:05] London next saturday [11:05] I saw something about it but didn't pursue it [11:06] I might be up in the Bucks area next Sunday [11:06] Aah, I won't be able to then, it's 'car insurance' week so every penny will be thrown at them [11:06] Yeah? Well could you either grab me some discs or could I swing by yours sometime? [11:07] yeah, I will see if I can arrange to pop by and drop some off, or you can pop down to Farnham any time really [11:08] I think I've made progress on the unity lens creation by the way, my new place isn't up to visitors so I'd love to stop by yours sometime, perhaps we could crack that too? [11:08] we are in the office pretty much every weekday during normal office hours roughly, just give us a shout in advance [11:08] actually the thing on saturday would be quite good for messing with lenses [11:09] I haven't done much with the unity APIs for ages, I dunno how much they are changing to support the new smart scopes thing [11:09] Well just to make it go as it is would be an achievement. It's really bugged me [11:10] hang on, I'm going to send you a link in a second, let me know if this is what we need [11:10] www.cliftonts.co.uk/datafeed_shopmania_zencart.php [11:10] oh they have published a new example lens http://developer.ubuntu.com/resources/app-developer-cookbook/unity/creating-a-wikipedia-unity-lens/ [11:10] that still doesn't support the privacy flag :( [11:11] btw, are the stats still working properly? [11:12] The list that link creates, is it the sort of thing we need for the lens? [11:12] cliftonts: pretty odd data format, but yeah, that looks workable [11:12] cliftonts: normally there would be some kind of search query that gets passed, but as it isn't a huge store the lens could just scoop up all the product data and search locally I guess [11:12] It's designed to produce a data feed for the shopmania website. It doesn't accept search requests but I figured the code could be modified to support that, or perhaps the results could be filtered within the lens? [11:13] brobostigon: what stats? [11:13] AlanBell: taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html [11:13] As you know the idea was to create a lens for the purple lounge website, which sits at over 3,000 products [11:13] I simply provided that one as it's more suited to being publicly displayed here [11:14] yeah :) [11:14] so, zencart must have some kind of search passing API somewhere [11:14] AlanBell: it was meeting before last, i offered to take over doing the stats. [11:14] looks good brobostigon [11:14] AlanBell: good, i have looked in a few weeks. :) [11:14] havent* [11:15] So basically we have all the parts to the puzzle, we just need to assemble it [11:18] Alright, so how about if I could try to attend this hack thing? Could you bring the discs there? And where can I find the info about it? [11:23] http://hackntalk.eventbrite.com/ [11:23] yeah, I can bring a bunch of disks [11:24] Wow, it's quite a long event then === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [12:39] Come on twitter / categories : .. At least show us you us you give a croissant ! https://dl.dropbox.com/u/55128914/Lubuntu%20docs/twitter%20doesnot%20care%20and%20is%20out%20of%20date.png === GentileBen is now known as MrBojangles [14:41] hello. could someone pm me the rsa host key fingerprint for robotfuzz.com please? [14:53] ali1234-v6: ECDSA key fingerprint is fc:c3:a3:9a:fd:ed:d6:e3:f5:85:d9:c1:1e:4a:cc:a7. [14:54] thanks [14:54] i must have not used this computer in a while [14:54] Pidgin really needs to be taught not to do smiley expansions on strings like that [14:55] oh you can disable that [14:55] preferences->themes smiley theme = none [14:56] in fact putting the smileys into the string probably makes it easier to remember [14:57] like that thing where it draws a weird shape from the key [14:57] why don't we have that on ubuntu? [15:01] you can get it from an ssh config [16:31] hi folkies [16:31] Qt Creator seems a bit broken :( [16:32] menus halfway down the screen [16:32] and icky fonts [16:33] oh, menus at the level of the lowest monitor, great. [16:35] AlanBell: copy those last four lines as a report & you've got a perfect bug report! [16:35] it's fine on a single monitor KDE raring [16:43] the following is copied from #ubuntu-steam [no response on there]... might be of interest here [16:44] has anybody found Steam "self destructs"? Went to fire it up this morning... it was gone! [16:44] [/usr/bin/steam gone... but home dir stuff intact, Steam gone from software centre & reports as uninstalled 05.45 yesterday!] [16:44] ...found steam launcher via synaptic and installed from there... now all ok again. Wierd! [16:44] ...& no - I did *not* uninstall it... haven't been near synaptic or software centre since installing it! [16:45] AlanBell: oh? can you show me a screenshot? [16:45] and which version of qtcreator? [16:52] SuperEngineer: Check your /var/log/dpkg.log to see if anything else was happening around then? [16:53] * SuperEngineer checks log [16:54] popey: seems to be a gnome-shell specific thing, on unity it is OK, but doesn't have a global menu [16:54] yes, we have a bug for that and are filing it [16:54] fixing [16:55] 2.6.82 [16:56] what version of qt do you have installed? [16:58] which package is that? [16:58] or how do I find out what version? [16:59] penguin42: no help :( I ran bleachbit after the reinstall to clear any "debris"... dpkg.log only has today's entries... from the [successful] reinstall onwards [16:59] SuperEngineer: dpkg.log.1 should be yesterdays ? [16:59] libqt5core5 is Version: 5.0.1+dfsg-0ubuntu3 [17:01] penguin42: .1 not there... bleachbit was quite thorough [17:02] qtbase iirc [17:02] !info qtbase [17:02] Package qtbase does not exist in quantal [17:02] ok, qt5 [17:02] I am using raring [17:02] SuperEngineer: Hmph yeh that's a bit ott! [17:03] the menus look horrible, and I can't figure out where to start with the UI at all [17:03] just blank panes, I think it is broken [17:03] penguin42: thinking back - when 1st trying to reinstall launcher I was given a snafu msg... broken package [even though it reported no broken packages! [17:03] ah :-) [17:04] penguin42: ...so I got it to fix the zero broken packages... then all ok to reinstall! [17:05] penguin42: & just got this reply on #ubuntu-steam "Steam was removed from whatever Ubuntu's using, IIRC." [17:05] ???? [17:05] AlanBell: we have a customised version for ubuntu phone [17:06] oh, I thought that was going to land in raring [17:06] it will [17:06] but hasn't yet [17:06] I tried to install the custom version but it was quantal only, I just want to have a play with it, I don't have a device with Ubuntu touch on it [17:06] is not quantal only [17:06] so far I feel like this http://xkcd.com/528/ [17:06] i have it on raring [17:07] oh good, I will try again [17:08] http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202013-03-02%2017:04:21.png [17:08] ubuntu-sdk-team/ppa is where mine came from [17:08] so you dont have any files open [17:09] either file -> new project [17:09] or from the welcome pane [17:09] the buttons on the welcome pane just open empty panes [17:09] the help button on the left opens a different assortment of empty panes [17:10] have you created a project? [17:10] I have now I think [17:10] not much different from gedit tbh, if you don't create or open something you'll be staring at a blank window [17:11] \o/ summer lightning [17:12] well I would expect "IDE overview" or "User Interface" to do something [17:12] AlanBell: QT Creator 2.6.82 for me, shows me a side bar with welcome/edit/design/debug/projects/analyse/help, and a central pane with the QT Creator logo, a 'Develop' section with getting started/develop/examples/tutorials [17:13] ide overview takes me to the help [17:13] is there anything in the help, or just blank panes? [17:14] http://popey.com/~alan/qtcreator.png [17:14] ok, I don't see that at all [17:14] is qtcreator-doc installed? [17:14] ignore that [17:15] yes, it is installed [17:15] AlanBell: http://imagebin.org/248700 is what it looks like for me [17:15] i guess you're using qtcreator built against qt4 [17:16] help->about qt creator tells you which Qt it's built against [17:16] mine's based on 5.0.1 [17:16] it feels a bit like eclipse - without being slow as heck [17:16] the one in the repo will be replaced soon [17:16] based on Qt 5.0.1 (64 bit) [17:17] I'd try the sdk build [17:17] thats the one we're working on which will ripple down to raring [17:17] yeah, going to do an update and install the one in the ppa [17:17] this can't be right [17:17] AlanBell: That image is from 2.7.0~beta~0ubuntu1 in raring [17:18] Version: 2.7.0~beta-0ubuntu1 [17:18] hmm snap [17:19] penguin42: so if you click on IDE overview does it give you anything in the panes or just empty? [17:19] ah excellent. 2.7 made the repo [17:19] AlanBell: Where is IDE overview? [17:19] ah [17:19] in the getting started tab of the welcome thing [17:20] AlanBell: A mostly blank set of panes and the stderr has QTextBrowser: No document for http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator/creator-overview.html [17:20] going to that URL in a browser works [17:20] ah, that is the help browser, not the IDE [17:21] AlanBell: Yep, looks like that goes to the help browser [17:21] AlanBell: That sounds like a bug then - I've got qtcreator-doc and qtcreator instaleld [17:21] this thing doesn't feel very native [17:22] no, it feels like a self contained Qt app [17:22] yup, it is [17:24] heck, it's got integration options with most version control systems [17:24] * AlanBell sees raring instructions added to http://developer.ubuntu.com/get-started/gomobile/ [17:24] * penguin42 doesn't use IDEs as a rule [17:26] I've been using it to test apps by deploying to the phablet [17:27] * AlanBell now has ubuntu bits in the Qt creator [17:28] still no help files [17:29] AlanBell: Your menu positioning problem sounds like bug 568179 [17:29] bug 568179 in qt-creator (Ubuntu) "qt menus mispositioned on dual head with different resolutions" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568179 [17:29] you're probably missing libqt5help5 [17:30] popey: I've got that [17:30] maybe not... [17:30] qt has a zillion packages... [17:30] I have that [17:31] popey: No, I'm sure it's a lot more than that.... [17:31] it tries to open qthelp://com.trolltech.assistant.484/qdoc/..... [17:31] e.g. qthelp://com.trolltech.assistant.484/qdoc/assistant-manual.html#the-one-minute-guide-to-using-qt-assistant [17:32] not sure which package delivers that [17:34] the only libqt5 packages I haven't got are the databasey ones [17:39] doesn't work in a guest session either [17:39] does the magic install of ubuntu-desktop^ pull anything missing? [17:41] pulls Ubuntu One back in, and some other stuff that looks unlikely to be relevant, but here goes [17:43] still no help :( [17:54] libqt5sql5-sqlite appears to be a missing dependency [17:54] penguin42: try installing that [17:54] suddenly it springs into life and does stuff [17:55] ah, I did say I didn't have any databasey stuff [17:55] AlanBell: Agreed [17:55] AlanBell: File a bug and I'll confirm it [17:56] oh bother to heck, I can't use ubuntu-bug qtcreator [17:57] want me to do it? [17:57] it is ok, filing it now [17:58] Bug #1140369 [17:58] bug 1140369 in qtcreator (Ubuntu) "libqt5sql5-sqlite is a missing dependency to get the help system to work" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1140369 [17:59] well that was another entertaining "how on earth am I the first person to get stuck here??" kind of bug [18:01] I guess either people new how to use it, or had the sqlite stuff installed [18:02] should the ubuntu tab just launch stuff in an external browser or is it supposed to stay in that UI [18:09] yay, I have a thing running [18:09] and the tutorial is backwards and out of date and wrong === Guest41574 is now known as kvarley-fanless [18:46] wow, tizen is basically android [18:47] ubuntu will win purely on looks as weird as that sounds [18:50] 'basically android' ? [18:50] penguin42: The UIs are VERY similar [18:50] oh UI [18:50] Nothing wrong with a similar UI [18:50] But I just think it's too boring [18:51] Which reminds me, time to download touch preview :) [18:58] * penguin42 really should get something larger than a low spec smartphone to try it on, there are some Nook's going pretty cheap [19:00] * kvarley-fanless is biding his time until Tegra 4i ;) [19:00] Phone + Desktop in one then :) [19:10] there are a few interesting bits of hardware out now [19:10] maybe the next ARM chromebook will be exciting [19:18] AlanBell: Chromebook is interesting but expensive [19:18] AlanBell: ARM 64 support added to the kernel now too which is gonna be interesting. [19:18] I'm off [19:19] well the pixel is expensive [19:20] I'd just like to say NAPs are awthome !! I woke up with a couple of 40 winks behind me , just now, and I feel a million bitcoins !! [19:20] AlanBell: Do you thnk the Ggle Pixel will be Ubuntu friendly ?? [19:21] well it will boot anything with a 30 second delay [19:21] and a 5 minute delay the first time you try [19:21] really, I guess it's not for the local coffee shop, then ?? [19:22] it is mildly tempting, but very expensive [19:22] AlanBell: Did yousee the convergence proposal on ubuntu-on-air ?? [19:23] the dell xps13 looks much better as a thing to run ubuntu on [19:23] agreed ^ [19:23] convergence proposal? I saw the rolling release thing [19:24] yep, that .. do you think it will pass ? [19:24] yes [19:25] oh Ok, that is interesting .. A real shift.. [19:25] some details are probably available to be decided, but if Rick wants it then it will happen [19:26] .. oh Ok .. I guess your right, Shuttleworth did say he liked him ( in a sorta way) .. a couple of releases ago .. [19:27] http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/overview/management-team [19:27] .. So tablets and mobile get a Superboost in dev. then :) [19:27] opening... [19:32] * redtape-renegade realises this is several levels/stages above us mere mortals on Ubuntu-uk LUG or any other LUG for that matter... [19:32] Quite simply , I am not worthy. [19:33] AlanBell: Well the pixel has got a bit more of a display res [19:35] it has, and I like that penguin42, especially the vertical size [19:36] http://vger.kernel.org/~davem/chromebook_pixel_linux.txt is a howto on how to nuke chromeos and install something else onto it [19:36] redtape-renegade: heh, not sure if it is up or down or sideways, but the decision has been made, the implementation details are up for discussion perhaps [19:46] Dr. Who time folks ☺ [19:46] penguin42: Thats authome ! 2 questions . Q1, how do you get a kernel.org subdomain space . Q2, Can I get a google pixel now, or when ? [19:47] SuperEngineer: That minced my head last week .. this week .. catch up on youtu.be subscriptions ☺ [19:47] BRBack.. === redtape-renegade is now known as redtape-AWAY [19:48] that's not my page === MrBojangles is now known as RaycisCharles === redtape-AWAY is now known as redtape-renegade [20:02] penguin42: & the ETA for Google Pixel ??? [20:03] redtape-renegade: I dunno - I thought they were out [20:09] hmm these are cute; new Intel bare bones box - 4"x4" i3 http://www.hardwarezone.com.my/tech-news-intel-introduces-next-unit-computing-nuc [20:10] shiny [20:10] tiny [20:10] where does one buy it? [20:12] http://3xs.scan.co.uk/ConfigureSystem.asp?SystemID=1533# is one, seem to be other UK vendors as well [20:13] €335 in a Dutch store [20:18] nice [20:18] it's a bit low spec, but hey it's a nice little box for some uses I guess [20:19] similar spec to my laptop [20:19] probably a touch better in fact [20:19] yeh, I was thinking for the money you may as well buy a laptop [20:20] penguin42: not all offices want laptops [20:20] Digital signage would also be easier to do on this than on a R-Pi [20:20] yeh [20:23] penguin42: Looks like there are some deducts to be had on ths 'scan.co.uk' website you mentioned .. I can't believe that nero is still going ? Did anyone try there Linux version .. or is that a dead duck ?? [20:24] has never heard of anyone using it [20:24] k [20:30] It wories me that day The Dr. dies is the same as my birthday - could it.. could it possibly be that i don't remember the regeneration? spooky [20:31] The Dr. dies? [20:31] yup [20:31] although I'd be tempted to put that in inverted commas [20:34] .. the only guy that liked Dr Who in my year at school ended up being a Brit. Telecoms Engineer .. and I hate those guys .. it's a tough skin club. [20:36] the only guy that didn't like Dr Who in my year at school ended up being a redtape-renegade [20:37] BOOM [20:38] .. it's a British thing .. I wouldn't understand . [20:39] .. and I'm more softcell than tough skin ;) [20:45] .. I did watch it for the 1st time , last week thou.. more like Holby City for the lonely sticky polo eaters bridgade .. but I'll stop there as I don't want to offend people who are being subjegated by the beeb... [Viva RTE !!] [20:47] hi [20:50] Hi sebsebseb saw you with jono last week :) [20:51] heh, someone actually watches RTE? I feel a tad better about my tv license now :/ [20:51] redtape-renegade: with jono ? [20:51] sebsebseb: you were on #ubuntu-on-air, right ? [20:53] shauno: redtape-renegade belongs to the Rebel Alliance. [20:54] shauno: Is Rep. of Tele back on yet ? [20:54] no idea, I don't watch terrestrial TV [20:54] oh Ok. [20:54] hi sebsebseb [20:55] redtape-renegade: sure, but not on the Wednesday that just been [20:55] forgot about it [20:56] ,but the one before around yeah [20:58] shauno: We do get the signal for RTE in Patrick (surprisingly).. My dad and I grew up on watching ManU on RTE Live while others had to pay SkyB to be in the picture .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_(parish) [20:59] it doesn't seem so surprising .. I used to get s4c (wales) from barrow [20:59] a weak comparison, but i understand ;) [21:00] well, they were about equidistant in my mind because they were both things on the horizon that called for a good day [21:00] and rf tends to love you not being below the horizon. especially when the path is nothing but waves [21:16] Man I spend to much time exploring other Links than span from my own .. on wikipedia .. (edited afew tonight) . [21:19] This requires a new character to be had on Orca, ..Oh come-on !! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalby_Spook [21:37] Hi peeps :) [21:46] hi bigcalm_laptop :: What laptop is it tonite ?? [21:49] * AlanBell wonders what a "display server in earnest" is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/unity/+spec/unity-ui-iteration-0 [21:49] I've been told to stop working and watch TV with my family instead [21:49] *grumbles* [21:50] Taaraa [21:50] o/ [22:08] evening all [22:09] evening popey'ness [22:38] AlanBell: how many tickets am I buying? [22:38] AlanBell: sounds important, whatever it is [22:38] just you me and him? [22:43] i'll go! [22:45] Laney: want me to get you a ticket? [22:46] popey: not sure really, me, Alan Lord, oh, maybe aptanet [22:50] * AlanBell wonders if czajkowski is finally going to meet the cider room [22:50] narp [22:50] it'd be wasted on me tbh [22:59] aww [23:19] PCMAG I have failed you once again .. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2416158,00.asp [23:22] * redtape-renegade skurries off to bed, like the snuggler he is :) === redtape-renegade is now known as redtape-AFK