[00:00] <sirriffsalot> zequence: worse.. I'd have to reinstall my computer.. I'd be dead with a nuke, so would not have to rebuild the town
[03:37] <martl> I am running lubuntu on a laptop. The laptop won't boot To the ubuntustudio 12.10 disk. So I was thinking of just downloading a few programs to get me able to record my voice, acoustic guitar and electric bass, with a drum track of some kind more as a timing thing for the other instruments.
[03:39] <martl> Will audacity and hydrogen do this or will I need jacj to put it btogether ?
[03:39] <martl> jack...
[03:39] <martl> thanks for having a look
[03:39] <shai_halud> audacity does not need jack. hydrogen does
[03:40] <martl> is there a drum kit that will ork with audacity ?
[03:40] <martl> work
[03:40] <Len-nb> But audacity is not the best tracking SW. Great audio file editor though.
[03:41] <martl> do i need ardour then ?
[03:41] <shai_halud> ardour, as i understand is way better than audacity. i know it has a lot less hiss in the rocordings i have made, than those i made with audacity
[03:41] <Len-nb> You might want to try LMMS or gmorgan.
[03:41] <holstein> martl: you can export from hydrogen, an open it wherever you like
[03:41] <shai_halud> lmms works without jack too
[03:42] <martl> will lmms record live insstruments ?
[03:42] <shai_halud> that i do not know
[03:42] <shai_halud> anyone?
[03:42] <shai_halud> i use it for making synth stuff
[03:42] <Len-nb> While audacity and ardour have the ability to record at the same quality, ardour is easier to use for track at a time recording.
[03:42] <martl> all i want to do is mimic  a tascam type set up
[03:43] <Len-nb> LMMS does not record audio at this time.
[03:43] <shai_halud> mmm
[03:43] <shai_halud> i was curious about that myself
[03:43] <martl> what doi people do when they have instruments and they want to cfreate a one man band song ?
[03:43] <Len-nb> LMMS suggests using ardour to record a wav and then import that wav as a sample.
[03:44] <Len-nb> I use ardour
[03:44] <Len-nb> Some people use qtractor and I think rose garden works too
[03:44] <shai_halud> holstein: Zequence got me straightened out with firefox/jack
[03:44] <Len-nb> Jack is not bad or hard.
[03:45] <holstein> shai_halud: i knew he could ;)
[03:45] <shai_halud> And i have begun using ardour tonight
[03:45] <martl> something simple with minimallearning curve would be nice..
[03:45] <shai_halud> recorded 3-4 songs already
[03:45] <hectorlopez> http://parumi.org/curso_produccion_musical_linux/ its in spanish but you can translate
[03:45] <martl> toda?
[03:45] <shai_halud> hehe
[03:45] <hectorlopez> a very very nice tutorial :D
[03:45] <martl> today?
[03:46] <shai_halud> tu save http:translate.google.com ?
[03:46] <holstein> shai_halud: congrats
[03:46] <martl> thanks
[03:46] <shai_halud> holstein: tyvm
[03:47] <hectorlopez> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI0eddZjQEo&feature=plcp
[03:47] <hectorlopez> and a video too in spanish hehe but its a video to use jack, ardour and midi editors
[03:47] <hectorlopez> under linux
[03:47] <martl>  youtube translaator..hehe
[03:48] <hectorlopez> only 4 wacht ? :P
[03:50] <martl> first thing I need is n adaptor for my mic
[03:50] <martl> 101
[03:50] <holstein> an adapter?
[03:50] <Len-nb> You mean like a preamp?
[03:50] <martl> from 1/4 '
[03:51] <martl> to mini
[03:51] <holstein> i try and use as few adapters as possible.. i would try and get something with an xlr input that goes right to hard disk
[03:51] <holstein> martl: just keep in mind, you'll never hear anything on the radio, or see a studio recording with a mic into a mini jack like that
[03:52] <holstein> martl: thats more for skype.. not that you cant make something with it.. its just not that much more these days to get a USB interface with a decent preamp.. and it makes a *huge* difference
[03:52] <Len-nb> The mic pre behind a mini jack will be quite noisy
[03:52] <martl> yes ...but what else does one do to plug in a mike ?
[03:52] <Len-nb> Audio adaptor
[03:53] <holstein> martl: plug it right into a preamp.. xlr cable..
[03:53] <martl> preamp...sounds like money
[03:53] <Len-nb> I have had some success using an external pre into line in, but still not as good as a proper audio Interface
[03:53] <holstein> martl: as i said, there are some decent usb interfaces with preamps these days.. and its well worth the $$
[03:54] <holstein> martl: it'll be about what you'd pay for an hour or 2 in a pro studio, and it'll make it where you can better emulate the work flow a professional would be doing
[03:54] <Len-nb> ART USBDualPre
[03:54] <martl> So...an adapter will cause issues ?
[03:54] <holstein> martl: try it
[03:54] <Len-nb> The internal pre will cause issues
[03:55] <holstein> martl: you might find why a studio would *never* use one
[03:55] <martl> I have to run down to radio shack....see what they have
[03:55] <Len-nb> Music store.
[03:55] <martl> that bad huh?
[03:55] <Len-nb> What kind of mic do you have?
[03:55] <martl> music store...not rdio shack ?
[03:55] <holstein> martl: as a person who used to "run down to radio shack", an interface, will *greatly* improve your sound.. for about $100 or so.. maybe $150 would be all you would need
[03:55] <martl> an old shure I think
[03:56] <Len-nb> Could be worse. Good for a start.
[03:56] <martl> Prologue
[03:56] <Len-nb> The ART dual USBpre is $100. Plug and play with  linux
[03:57] <martl> 10H
[03:57] <holstein> Len-nb: is it? ART is nice kit
[03:57] <holstein> Len-nb: i didnt realize it was plug and play
[03:57] <Len-nb> It is USB 1.1
[03:57] <holstein> martl: that art would step you up significantly
[03:57] <holstein> for the one or 2 channels, usb 1.1 is fine
[03:57] <Len-nb> I take my computer to the music store and try them before I buy
[03:58] <martl> oh..ok...well lemme try to record anything ferstarters
[03:58] <holstein> and the price is great, and its made for audio production
[03:58] <Len-nb> netbooks are good for that.
[03:59] <martl> I have to admit that I do have ubuntustudio on my desktop but have yet to record a thing...I wanted to use my laptop
[03:59] <Len-nb> I've done both
[04:00] <Len-nb> (netbook and dessktop)
[04:00] <martl> I ahve about 12 tunes I did on a tascam that need to be perfected ...
[04:00] <martl> or finished
[04:01] <Len-nb> The ART pre I got is the tube one it is a bit more money, but the basic one was nice too
[04:01] <Len-nb> The tascam is digital or tape?
[04:01] <martl> Plug into art with a regular jack then plug art into computer through usb ?
[04:01] <martl> tape
[04:02] <martl> 1992
[04:02] <Len-nb> Ya, the art plugs into the usb and has both 1/4 inch and xlr inputs
[04:02] <Len-nb> I have a yamaha from the same era.
[04:03] <martl> ok...beltb drive
[04:03] <Len-nb> 4 track casette
[04:03] <martl> right
[04:03] <Len-nb> The tascam might sound better than the internal sound card.
[04:04] <martl> I dont care.I want to move to computer
[04:04] <Len-nb> The mic preamp in my net book is not as good as my Yamaha was.
[04:04] <martl> Sound cards are transitory
[04:05] <martl> I can spend later
[04:05] <Len-nb> OK, been there too.
[04:05] <martl> I jsst want to record a g chord.....
[04:05] <martl> anything
[04:05] <martl> ok...then a c then a d
[04:05] <Len-nb> Do you have an amp
[04:05] <martl> no
[04:06] <martl>  I used topplug into the teac
[04:06] <Len-nb> do you still have the teac?
[04:06] <martl> yes
[04:06] <Len-nb> Does it have a line out
[04:06] <martl> yep
[04:06] <Len-nb> Use it as a pre amp
[04:07] <martl> .do we need to preamp?
[04:07] <Len-nb> Is it the one with the two channel mixer or the four?
[04:07] <martl> it has several...4
[04:08] <Len-nb> Ya, the mic is -50db line is -10
[04:08] <Len-nb> the preamp will bring the level up to -10 which is line in.
[04:08] <martl> ok
[04:09] <Len-nb>  (consumer line, Profesional line is +4))
[04:09] <martl> Can I use my Alessis drum machine then ?through the teac?
[04:09] <Len-nb> Yes.
[04:10] <martl> That might e a simpler styart
[04:10] <martl> less curve
[04:10] <Len-nb> Basically, you would be using your computer to replace tape.
[04:10] <Len-nb> Once you get sound in there, you can learn the work flow.
[04:12] <Len-nb> You would still only be able to use one or two channels depending on what your internal audio Interface supports
[04:12] <martl> So a mike plugged direct is too small a sound then ?
[04:13] <Len-nb> There is an internal mic preamp, but I found this one really noisy... lots of hiss
[04:13] <Len-nb> It is like the difference from your teac to the average minicassete from the same era.
[04:14] <martl> there is no comparison
[04:15] <Len-nb> It would take the same adaptor...
[04:15] <Len-nb> (I think)
[04:16] <Len-nb> Or a stereo y, strereo mini to two rca.
[04:19] <martl> Hey thanks..Len-nb...gotta go shopping...be back later
[04:19] <Len-nb> martl, adaptors are cheap
[04:19] <Len-nb> C ya
[05:01] <alexandros> Hello everybody
[05:02] <alexandros> I just installed a fresh ubuntu studio 12.10 on my p.c and as I had been using last years Kubuntu, I would like to ask you whether installing KDE applications (like kile) would trigger any kind of problems with the XFCE environment?
[05:03] <holstein> alexandros: shouldnt.. you can also just install kubuntu and use whatever audio apps yoyu want
[05:07] <alexandros> hostein: hi mike (I know your name already in the ubustudio community - thanks for all your work by the way ;) ), do you mean installing kubuntu desktop on top of the ubuntu studio installation, right? ?
[05:07] <holstein> alexandros: cheers!
[05:07] <Guest33894> you can
[05:07] <holstein> alexandros: either really.. whatever you are more comfortable with as a base is what i would suggest
[05:07] <holstein> no reason not to use KDE if thats what you like
[05:09] <alexandros> OK! that's good news. I thought (form discussions in the past in the LAU list) that the desktop environment could potentially introduce xruns or other minor isuues in the audio flow - it seems that this is not the case anymore..?
[05:10] <holstein> alexandros: shouldnt..
[05:11] <holstein> alexandros: check out KXstudio if just for the comparison in setup.. its KDE with ubuntu base
[05:11] <alexandros> thanks Mike, I will
[05:12] <holstein> alexandros: i would say disabling cpu throttling and tweaks like that would be more noticable for xruns than the DE
[05:15] <holstein> alexandros: also, #opensourcemusicans can be a helpful resource
[05:15] <alexandros> MIke, thanks for your kind feedback, however, I must say that I am a noob in this sense, just use the terminal to install/remove applications :). Would you have any further hints for starting configuring the pc -if necessary for better audio production- some kind of guides..?
[05:15] <alexandros> OK, you were faster.. :)
[05:15] <holstein> alexandros: i would just get started, and ask if you have issues... you might be just fine :)
[05:18] <alexandros> True. However I do have a lot of XRUNS in the newly installed ubuntu studio and I would be interested to find out if there are ways to make the recording of my guitar via the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4 usb audio interface better (which by the way worked out-of-the-box)...
[05:19] <holstein> alexandros: i would disable CPU stepping... relax jack settings... check irq ports.. unplug other USB hardware
[05:24] <alexandros> hostein: thank you Mike, I do keep a note of your feedback. However, as I am a noob, I really do not know how to do the tweaks you mention - are there really any kind of "best practices" or "officially" how-to's for that purpose for a beginner user of ubuntustudio... or do I have to leave my instinct guide me :) ? Any recommendations would be more than welcomed :)
[05:25] <holstein> !proaudio | alexandros this might help
[05:25] <holstein> other than that, just searching.. i made a desktop button that disables my CPU govenor on my audio workstation
[05:26] <holstein> you can run cat /proc/interrupts and see if any other devices share your USB hardware
[05:27] <holstein> you can always just relax the JACK settings.. just go to 2048 frames/period
[05:29] <alexandros> Thanks Mike for all feedback - but with 2048 f/p I would get a high latency, isn't it so (I suppose this relates also to overall hardware)?
[05:29] <holstein> alexandros: does that matter? whats your latency now? like 40ms?
[05:30] <holstein> alexandros: at that point, you cant do software synths live without delay.. or live effects processoing
[05:30] <holstein> processing*
[05:30] <holstein> if you are not doing either of those, then who cares what delay you have?
[05:31] <holstein> if it takes 150ms for something to playback when you click "play".. who cares?
[05:31] <alexandros> well, with 128 f/p and 48000 rate and 3 periods I have 8 ms..
[05:31] <holstein> for me, if i cant get under 10, i dont need anything special
[05:31] <holstein> alexandros: 8ms is pretty drastic
[05:31] <holstein> alexandros: i would try relaxing those settings and test
[05:32] <holstein> alexandros: you can try a realtime kernel.. you can try the other tweaks.. but 8ms is pretty low
[05:32] <holstein> i can get 2ms stable, but i dont push it there
[05:32] <holstein> i usually run my workstation with about 80ms latency.. to mix and edit
[05:35] <alexandros> holstein: Mike, thanks. I guess it matters if I have to plug my strings and listen to the signal with a bit of latency, isn't it? I think that with 40ms the guitar sound comes with a small delay - please correct me if I am wrong.. :)
[05:36] <holstein> those are the scanarios above.. live synths and realtime effects
[05:36] <holstein> there are work arounds
[05:37] <holstein> dont track guitar while monitoring through the machine
[05:37] <holstein> use a different midi unit external to monitor while you are tracking synths
[05:37] <holstein> OR, start tweaking
[05:37] <holstein> the tweaks you need to do will be specific to your setup
[05:38] <holstein> you can try a realtime kernel, if you can fine/make one
[05:38] <Len-nb> try all the USB plugs on your machine offten one plug works better than the rest.
[05:38] <Len-nb> Hyperthreading off
[05:39] <holstein> yeah.. different USB ports can make a big difference
[05:39] <holstein> dont use a hub.. unplug other USB hardware, as im sure you already tried
[05:41] <alexandros> thanks guys - I will try all the usb ports, this I can do, it's easy. I do not not use other usb devices than my usb mouce :)...
[05:42] <alexandros> but how could then I track my guitar and what is how do I turn off hyperthreading?
[05:42] <holstein> alexandros: the USB mouse could be just the issue.. try with *no* other usb hardware plugged
[05:43] <holstein> alexandros: you track the guitar.. just listen to it, live. not from the machine
[05:43] <alexandros> really???! the usb mouse? :)
[05:43] <Len-nb> ya
[05:43] <holstein> alexandros: yes.. *any* USB hardware could b causing issues..
[05:43] <Len-nb> generates interupts with everyt
[05:43] <Len-nb> little move
[05:43] <alexandros> alright! I was not aware of that !
[05:43] <holstein> Len-nb: i had a laptop where the touchpad did it :/
[05:44] <Len-nb> The touch pad may have been USB inside.
[05:44] <holstein> Len-nb: it shared with the USB.. i forget how it looked exactly though
[05:47] <Len-nb> holstein, I found if you can get the MB not to select irqs for the USB parts that the Kernel does a better job.
[05:47] <alexandros> holstein: what do you mean by "just listen to it, live. not form the machine"? I use to plug my electric guitar in the usb interface and apply effects with rakarack... could you provide some more details on that please..what should I avoid exactly on this matter?
[05:47] <alexandros> :)
[05:47] <holstein> alexandros: righht.. *dont** apply effects
[05:48] <holstein> track it. *then* apply effects
[05:48] <holstein> OR, tweak you system
[05:48] <Len-nb> alexandros, for that yoou prolly want -p128
[05:48] <holstein> im just offering that as a workaround
[05:51] <alexandros> ok, thanks guys, I will try out what you mention!
[06:01] <alexandros> sorry - my son just woke up, see you later :) cheers!
[06:26] <contrapunctus> Say, guys, is there any way I can make my notebook play a sound when the battery reaches a specified level?
[06:28] <contrapunctus> Also, any way to 1. get the battery level (in percent) and 2. switch between normal/presentation modes using only the terminal?
[07:20] <Severance> Hi guys. I've been into the open source movement since early 2006. I've recently started getting into music, and wish to build a recording studio. Do you guys know of any decent recording peripherals that work well with Ubuntu Studio?
[07:21] <Severance> Also, how much ram and what CPUs would you recommend?
[07:22] <Guest33894> roland hasnt given me any trouble. what doesnt work out of the box, the roland software runs fine in wine
[07:23] <Guest33894> at least 2.6 GHz single core or 2 GHz dual core, at least 2 GB RAM
[07:24] <Guest33894> well 2.4GHz single if its a high end proc
[07:31] <Severance> Thank you very much, Mr. Guest
[07:32] <Severance> I'm really liking the V-studio, based on what I've read of Roland's website
[07:57] <shai_halud> holstein: you still here?
[07:58] <shai_halud> or Zequence?
[12:52] <djsandyfly> grazie per il vostro software
[12:52] <djsandyfly> siete fantastici
[12:53] <djsandyfly> vorrei sapere se e possibile usare qualche widget per il desktop
[12:54] <cfhowlett> !it
[12:55] <cfhowlett> !ubuntu-it
[15:10] <Haohmaru> got this app which needs to access virtual serial port (/dev/ttyUSB0 actually)
[15:10] <Haohmaru> but when i normally run the app - it fails to open it
[15:11] <Haohmaru> it works if i run the app via terminal with "sudo"
[15:11] <Haohmaru> but it's not convenient, can't i make /dev/ttyUSB0 accessible without sudo stuff?
[15:16] <zequence> Haohmaru: Ok. Sounds like a permission problem
[15:17] <Haohmaru> yeah
[15:17] <zequence> Haohmaru: Not sure how you do that, but if you can make /dev/ttyUSB0 accessible by a group (one which you create), then you can just add yourself to that group
[15:18] <zequence> Perhaps /lib/udev/rules.d/*
[15:19] <zequence> This one gives audio group access to firewire devices  /lib/udev/rules.d/60-ffado.rules
[15:20] <Haohmaru> when i opened the properties of /dev/ttyUSB0 it says the owner is root and there's a group "dialout"
[15:20] <zequence> /lib/udev/rules.d/75-tty-description.rules
[15:20] <zequence> Haohmaru: Ok. then just add yourself to dialout
[15:20] <Haohmaru> how? ;]
[15:20] <zequence> sudo usermod -a -G dialout $USER
[15:21] <zequence> There are gui apps for user/group management too
[15:24] <zequence> I guess cause serial was used for modems a long, long time ago
[15:26] <Haohmaru> but technically it's USB
[15:28] <Haohmaru> damn, still the app can't open the ttyUSB0
[15:30] <zequence> Haohmaru: You need to logout and login first
[15:30] <zequence> Haohmaru: Before you do, see what groups you are int
[15:30] <zequence> Haohmaru: In a terminal: groups
[15:30] <Haohmaru> for the group changes to tage effect?
[15:30] <zequence> Yep
[15:31] <Haohmaru> antto@Haohmaru:~$ groups
[15:31] <Haohmaru> antto adm cdrom sudo audio dip plugdev lpadmin sambashare
[15:31] <Haohmaru> yeah, it's not "updated" yet
[15:32] <zequence> Ok, so if you look in /etc/group
[15:32] <zequence> You have all the groups in that file, and their members
[15:32] <zequence> You could basically edit it manually
[15:32] <zequence> Make sure you are still member of sudo and whatever :)
[15:32] <Haohmaru> i already added myself to the dialout group
[15:33] <Haohmaru> just didn't know it doesn't take effect instantly ;P~
[15:33] <Haohmaru> so imma close down my stuff and reboot
[20:33] <nixnine> Hey guys, love studio but have a little prob with video conf in that the other person cannot hear me.  Any ideas?
[20:35] <Guest33894> do you see the application n its settings if you left click colume indicator -> sound settings -> recording?   is input tab muted / turned down?
[20:35] <Guest33894> is the right device listed in the input tab?
[21:14] <nixnine> what tab?
[21:41] <Guest33894> in sound settings (volume control), 2 tabs to look at: Output devices, and Input Devices
[21:41] <Guest33894> recording & input devices *
[21:54] <sirriffsalot> Meh, my terminal does things automatically when I paste it all of a sudden, how do I stop this
[22:36] <Haohmaru> would winXP "see" my ubuntu files?
[23:26] <shai_halud> get a program called "explore2fs"
[23:27] <shai_halud> it will allow you to mount and operate in linux partitions