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apacheloggeroh man00:05
apacheloggerso many pieces of artwork flying around00:05
* apachelogger goes mad00:05
apacheloggerto be continued tomorrow00:06
apacheloggersheytan: plz figure out plymouth :P00:06
valories00:39
valoriey book00:39
valorieOverview - New board in org…00:39
valorie    FOSS a00:39
valoriewha?00:39
valorieI was trying to say, before my buffer burped or something00:39
valorieare we gonna schedule some sessions for this virt UDS party that they are holding?00:40
valorieis there going to be some discussion about it on the -devel list, or even -users list?00:40
* valorie is willing to write some emails, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes00:41
valoriejust read ubuntu-devel, and want to thank ScottK and Riddell for raising the necessary questions00:41
valoriegood to see bkerensa chiming in too00:42
valorieI've registered, but see no blueprints from us to sign on to00:42
valoriewhat is there seems very technical so far00:43
yofelI think we were a bit lost on what to talk about, and as we indend to use mumble instead of google+ nobody scheduled a session. Not sure who wanted to do the take care of the meeting timing though00:47
yofelScottK: I think I understand a bit more about what happens: after build, you move all *.so files without an abitag to *.cpython-33m.so - then while running make install cmake notices that the .so file went missing, rebuilds it and installs the non-tagged libs00:48
yofel(pykde4)00:48
valorieI'm going to try to apply myself to testing from now on00:50
valorieLinuxFest Northwest is coming up, and hopefully there will be an ubuntu table, and i'll be at it00:50
yofel\o/00:50
valorieI doubt there will be a KDE booth again00:50
yofelthough we'll have to see how "testing" will look like in the future00:50
valorieyes00:50
valoriewell, I do updates daily already00:51
valorieit's easier than gentoo was.....00:51
valorieI just haven't done the "add info to test templates" part00:51
valoriefor a long time00:51
valorieI hope they / Canonical decide to do at least an annual UDS eventually00:52
valorieotherwise I see the community just fading away00:52
valorieexcept for us, because we have Akademy00:52
valorieoops, dinner time00:53
yofel*sigh*00:54
yofelnow I know *what* is wrong with pykde4, and I'm totally lost on how to fix it00:54
yofelScottK: so..... I committed something that should resolve the kpythonpluginfactory conflict. (i.e. it fixed the overwrite, whether it works is a different question)02:00
yofelplease look it over for sanity matters02:00
yofelalso noticed something else:02:00
yofelE: python3-pykde4: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py02:00
yofelthat's a "python" script in the py3 package02:00
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ScottKThen we got the wrong pykdeuic4 in the package too.05:44
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valoriebtw installing mumble seems to pull in loads of gnome10:54
sheytanapachelogger_: pongi pong10:56
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BluesKajHiyas all13:38
Darkwingvalorie: I have not seen you in a while. :D14:29
lordievaderConnecting an external monitor for the first time to this 13.04 install resulted in two black screens. Getting it to work was a bit tricky, had to press alt+t (Try Automatically) <-- not something a new user of Kubuntu would think of. To what package should I address this bug?14:34
yofelif kscreen is installed, to that14:35
smartboyhwyofel, I restarted kate build in Kubuntu Ninjas PPA amd64 since the dependencies are fixed:)14:42
smartboyhwAnd it seems to be working fine.14:42
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yofelah, great.14:50
yofelI retried a bunch of other things that should work now14:50
smartboyhwyofel, :)14:50
smartboyhwAnd sorry for not watching the buildlogs yesterday yofel :) (About rekonq)14:51
yofelhm? don't worry, just remember it next time14:52
smartboyhwyofel, BTW are you starting kde-runtime too early?14:53
* smartboyhw means the PPA rebuild14:53
smartboyhwkate wasn't finished yet.....14:53
yofelnow that you mention it...14:53
smartboyhwand the QTs won't work either:P14:53
yofelfor some reason I fell back to thinking katepart was still in kdelibs14:53
yofelsilly me14:54
smartboyhwLOL14:54
smartboyhwAnyway it should be finished soon:)14:54
smartboyhwAnd we can re-re-start!14:54
smartboyhwHmm strange kderuntime went into building....14:55
* smartboyhw thought it needed katepart as dependency14:55
smartboyhwhmm we got something changed in kde-workspace...14:55
yofelnot really, it's just yellow due to the lintian stuff14:57
smartboyhwyofel, no I got it though release-team@kde.org ...14:57
smartboyhwJust now14:58
smartboyhw(6 minutes)14:58
yofelhm, martin said relwithdebinfo is fine14:58
yofeland IIRC we use that14:59
smartboyhwyofel, hmm14:59
smartboyhwkate SUCCEEDED!!!!!!!15:00
yofelwell, if they do respin we'll just upload 4.10.1b, though I don't see a tar yet15:00
smartboyhwyofel, yeah15:00
smartboyhwWe just got a THANKS! message for kde-workspace (LOL)15:10
smartboyhwyofel, BTW Skrooge 1.6.0 was synced into Ubuntu:)15:10
yofelsaw it. is that some kmymoney competitor? (just looked at the description)15:13
smartboyhwyofel, yes (LOL)15:17
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popeyRiddell: we have fixed the issue that made it impossible for you to download the media files for the podcast directly from the planet feed. ☺18:15
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apachelogger_sheytan: pingpingpingpingpingpingpping18:48
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sheytanapachelogger: yeah!18:50
sheytanfinally!18:50
apachelogger!18:50
sheytanFlowRiser is already working on ldm :18:50
sheytan:)18:50
apacheloggerit's done18:50
sheytanhaahhaah :D18:50
apacheloggerlike18:50
apacheloggerdone18:50
apachelogger.18:50
sheytanOK D:18:50
sheytanshow me :)18:50
apacheloggerhttp://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/02/plasma-desktopJZ2250.png18:51
apacheloggeractually the shadow behind the text is a bit better than what it was in the screenshot18:51
sheytancool :D18:51
sheytanwell18:51
sheytanwe will have two of them :D18:52
sheytancan i have the files?18:52
sheytanapachelogger: have you make the user list work the way i wrote you about?18:53
apacheloggerno18:54
apacheloggerthat's not a blocking change18:54
sheytanyeah, was just wondering18:54
sheytanwill you ofcourse?18:54
apacheloggernot sure for 13.0418:55
apacheloggerthe regular system has no more than 3 users18:55
sheytanwe know that :D but if they do have more? :D18:55
apacheloggerthey don't want to use that theme anyway18:58
apacheloggerhttp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/files/head:/desktop/usr-share-kde4/apps/lightdm-kde-greeter/themes/experience/18:59
apacheloggersheytan: plymouth? about-kubuntu?19:00
sheytanplymouth. It's taking the rest of my artistic skills out. What about-kubuntu is?19:01
apacheloggerbug 21538319:02
ubottubug 215383 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "About Kubuntu information box" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21538319:02
apacheloggerneeds UI design or something19:02
sheytanok, let me just try the ldm first19:02
sheytanhow do i branch it?19:02
* sheytan forget how to use bzr ;(19:02
apacheloggeryou need https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-qtquick1-components/trunk as well19:03
apacheloggerthe text shadow requires a c++ addition19:03
apacheloggeralso wallpaper resolution19:03
apacheloggeron that note19:03
apacheloggersheytan: please remember that I'd like to ahve different sizes for the background19:03
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sheytansure sure19:04
apacheloggeroh19:04
apacheloggerforgot something else19:04
sheytanapachelogger: how do i get the theme files?19:04
apacheloggerbzr branch lp:kubuntu-settings19:05
apacheloggerbzr branch lp:kubuntu-qtquick1-components19:05
apacheloggergo into both19:05
apacheloggerdpkg-buildpackage -us -uc19:05
apacheloggershoudl spit out deb files in ../19:05
apacheloggeroh19:05
sheytanok19:05
apacheloggerand you'll need the wallpaper19:05
* apachelogger wonders where to put that19:05
apacheloggerbzr is terrible for storing artwork :S19:05
sheytanwhich wallpaper. That one used as background i made?19:06
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Experience.tar.xz19:07
apacheloggerhm19:07
apacheloggerthat is a really big wallpaper19:07
sheytanapachelogger: uild dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. should i ignore that with -d?19:07
apacheloggerno? :P19:08
apacheloggerinstall them19:08
sheytandunno which ;P19:08
apacheloggerit tells you19:08
sheytanoh, wait :D19:08
* apachelogger ponders creating a kubuntu-artwork package19:08
apacheloggercan I have a rubber duck?19:09
apacheloggeryofel: u here?19:09
yofelnot really19:09
apachelogger:(19:09
yofelpoke me in ~30min, then I'll be here mentally19:09
apacheloggerkk19:10
sheytanit couldn't create more packages :D19:10
apacheloggerkubuntu-settings-desktop is what you want19:12
sheytani see :D19:12
apacheloggerIF YOU ARE ON RARING19:12
sheytani am :P19:12
apacheloggerk19:12
apacheloggerall good then19:12
sheytannothing else does work with my dell xps 15z :D19:13
sheytansorry :D19:13
sheytantoo old kernels i guess19:13
apacheloggerthe majority of packages is there because we changed all the names 19:13
apacheloggersheytan: laptops have that problem19:13
sheytan+ i'm running on optimus19:13
apacheloggermakes matters worse19:14
sheytanapachelogger: it works, atleast in test mode19:15
sheytanno background :D19:15
sheytanwhere to put it?19:15
apachelogger/usr/share/wallpapers/19:15
sheytanas a folder or just background.png?19:15
apacheloggerfolder19:15
sheytanand? 19:15
apacheloggerit's a plasma wallpaper package19:15
apacheloggerdude19:16
apacheloggerhttp://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Experience.tar.xz19:16
sheytanoh19:16
sheytansorry :D19:16
apacheloggerof all the people in the world the guy who said we need not change upstream artwork 4 years ago is now creating a kubuntu-artwork package -.-19:19
apacheloggerdafuq19:19
sheytanapachelogger: so? We cannot always user bad artwork. And of all that i love's nunos artwork, the new wall is bAD :)19:19
apacheloggeryou should have made one for 4.10 then................19:20
sheytanam not always able to 19:20
sheytanOk. i'm gonna try the theme now live19:26
apachelogger1 → 75 of 79 results19:29
apacheloggerI wonder who triaged kde-workspace19:29
apacheloggeroh whait19:29
apachelogger..19:29
apachelogger....19:29
apacheloggeralso it seems I have broken sheytan's lightdm ^^19:30
sheytanapachelogger: GREAT WORK!19:32
apacheloggeru did the work, I just assembled the pieces19:33
sheytandoesn't matter. It wouldn't be real without you :*19:33
apachelogger<319:34
apacheloggercan we now move back to plymouth and make that fit in? :P19:34
sheytansure19:35
sheytanand ive some ideas but need to test that out first19:35
apacheloggerinstall the plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo deb... latest version of the theme code19:36
apacheloggerScottK: did they figure out the target audience of rolling yet or is that for after uds?19:37
yofelthat was for during UDS IIRC19:38
yofelbut if they agree with mtp it'll be devs and testers19:39
yofeli.e. the Arch user base19:39
yofel*mpt19:39
* apachelogger likes that19:40
apacheloggerwould cause loads of bitching though19:40
yofelwell, it has the problem of not really matching our user base19:40
apacheloggerLTS does :P19:41
apacheloggerI mean, the plan was to have LTS+recentKDE as Kubuntu stable product anyway19:41
yofelwell, yeah. Except that I'm still not too fond of the 5-year support idea19:41
apacheloggerwith my council hat on I'd say it would nto have 5 year support19:42
* yofel needs to get a council hat19:42
apacheloggerit would have >=1y <=2y I imagine19:42
apacheloggeri.e. we alignt he support cycle to what upstream supports19:42
yofelno, it has to be >2y19:42
apacheloggeryofel: why>19:43
apachelogger?19:43
yofeli.e. at least from one LTS to the next19:43
apacheloggerwe are in universe19:43
apachelogger...19:43
yofel3years is ~ok. 19:43
apacheloggerLTS is a label applied to (selected portions) of main19:43
yofelso? LTS users tend to be lazy19:43
yofelsure, but I believe we should at least properly support one LTS until the next one is there19:44
yofelso a bit more than 2y19:44
apacheloggerwe shouldn't19:44
yofelwhy?19:44
apacheloggerbecause uptream doesn't19:44
yofelwell duh19:44
apacheloggerso we can say yeah this is totally supported 10 years19:44
apacheloggereffective support will still be 2 kde relase cycles (i.e. 1 year)19:45
yofelwhy do we develop kubuntu and not chakra again?19:45
apacheloggerwe develop it, we do not support it :P19:45
yofel. . .19:45
apacheloggerdealing with reality this is19:46
apacheloggerwe can do LTS19:46
yofelwell, that I agree with19:46
apacheloggerbut it won't be LTS19:46
apacheloggerbecause we do not track nor address upstream issues19:46
apacheloggerwhich makes the KDE portion not LTS19:46
yofelwe *should* fix that19:47
apacheloggerso it's really in a way lying to the user19:47
yofelat least to some extend19:47
apacheloggeryofel: when you find a company to invest in that we can  :P19:47
apacheloggerthat is to say19:47
yofeltrue :(19:47
apacheloggerI also have no problem with actually doing an LTS19:47
apacheloggerbut the fact remains the same19:47
apacheloggerit still has effective KDE support for 1 years19:48
apacheloggerthe ubuntu foundation however is actual LTS19:48
yofelwe don't really have to do the LTS thing for everything, as long as we take care of security issues at least19:48
apacheloggerso if we do "releases" aligned with KDEin such a fashion that we take the LTS foundation and put the recent KDE on it the end user has in fact better support19:49
apacheloggeryofel: security is covered anyway19:49
yofelwell19:49
apacheloggeri.e. I think even KDE does security for like 2 years or so19:49
apachelogger2 years or for however long the affected code has not changed (or something like that ^^)19:50
yofelwell, I'm all for that, as long as we have the infrastructure to do it19:50
yofelwhich we currently have not19:50
yofelso you please stick to reality too19:50
apacheloggeryofel: which one is that?19:50
apacheloggerwhat infratstructure do we miss?19:50
yofelwhere do support that yearly-release from? as long as we stick to ubuntu we have the choice between 2years and rolling19:51
yofel*where to19:51
apacheloggerKDE supports that19:52
yofelit's not like we can just have one huge PPA that we patch onto the LTS and then spin images from that19:52
apacheloggeractually it is19:52
apacheloggerworks now, doesn't it? :P19:52
yofelI talk about images and the release part19:53
yofelsure we already have the PPA ^^19:53
yofelthen again19:53
apacheloggerI did not say image building19:53
apacheloggerI said release19:53
apacheloggerright now we do over-the-air releases to stable kubuntus via ppas19:53
yofelwith ubuntu already backporting kernel and X maybe I'm worrying too much19:53
apacheloggerwhether we continue to do over-the-air or actually roll LTS+KDE into isosis up for discussion19:54
apacheloggerat any rate19:55
yofelwhich reminds me. valorie asked whether we actually scheduled a session - did we? I think not19:55
apacheloggerbuilding images requires a server with archive mirror19:55
apacheloggerwell19:55
apacheloggers/server/computer19:55
apacheloggeryofel: I didn't19:55
yofelhm. let's see if the ML knows19:55
* apachelogger actually would not know what to talk about anywa :P19:55
yofelwe wanted to talk about mumble ^^19:56
apacheloggertrue19:56
apacheloggerbut other than that :P19:56
sheytanapachelogger: do you think a light blue background with a little gradient will fit to the ldm theme?19:57
apacheloggerI mean, we are mid-cycle and the archive stuff is really just tossing around ideas as long as ubuntu has no proper plan19:57
apacheloggersheytan: no19:57
apacheloggerOo19:57
apacheloggerthere is nothing blue in lightdm19:57
apacheloggerwell, the glow and an arrow19:57
sheytanbut blue fits with gray :)19:58
apacheloggeramount to 1.73% of the screen to be blue19:58
apacheloggeryofel: should I trow sheytan's artwork in with kubuntu-settings or create a new kubuntu-artwork (overall data is something like 4MiB), so bzr co would be a sane thing for -settings20:02
apacheloggerthen again co is already a good idea20:02
apacheloggerwe had wallpapers in it before20:02
yofeljust add it, if someone *really* can't handle all the history there's --lightweight20:03
apacheloggerk20:04
apacheloggersheytan: wehre are my wallpapers? :P20:04
sheytancoming soon. This year, maybe next :D20:04
apachelogger:S20:05
ScottKapachelogger: NFK.20:08
apachelogger^^20:09
* apachelogger finds mail threads incredibly tedious to follow20:09
yofelwell, this one is kind of interesting20:13
yofelalso colin++ for his last mail20:13
apachelogger❤ PLEASE TEST KUBUNTU-SETTINGS BZR  ❤20:14
yofelmake a PPA package in experimental and I'll do so =þ20:15
apachelogger-.-20:15
* apachelogger wonders how to set the lightdm default theme20:16
sheytanapachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/03/ply.png20:19
sheytanapachelogger: what res of the wall you want again?20:19
apacheloggera tile resolution... -.-20:19
apacheloggersheytan: is that a linear gradient?20:19
sheytannot for plymouyth20:19
apacheloggerah20:20
apacheloggerdunno, check backlog20:20
sheytanyes and we i came out with an ideas like last time20:20
sheytanwe create a solid color20:20
sheytanand we put half transparent image on it20:20
apachelogger1024x768.png 1280x1024.jpg  1600x1200.jpg  1920x1080.jpg  1920x1200.jpg20:20
Riddellowncloud dropped from debian http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/03/msg00042.html20:20
sheytanthat will create exact the same effect gradient as you see aboce20:20
sheytanabove20:20
apacheloggersheytan: we can do top-to-bottom gradients actually20:20
apacheloggerit's what we used before20:21
sheytantha's one of them20:21
sheytanthat's waht i'm talking about20:21
apacheloggerbut they are linear in progressiong20:21
apacheloggeri.e. the absolute center of the screen will have 50% of origin and 50% of target value overlapping20:21
apacheloggerhence my question20:21
apacheloggersheytan: how did you create the pattern in your lightdm background?20:23
sheytanif i understand ok, this should work. I create an image like 300x100 and you repeat it20:23
sheytanHSV noise in gimp20:23
sheytanand come clouds rendering plugin20:23
sheytanbrb20:23
apacheloggera gradient would be 1x100 btw20:23
apachelogger100 being the height of the gradient overlay20:23
apacheloggerwell, could be 200x100 20:24
apacheloggerwidth doesn't matter all that much20:24
apacheloggerhm20:26
apacheloggersheytan: and the gradient transits well into lightdm?20:26
sheytanyes20:27
apacheloggerk20:27
sheytani mean, ldm uses the whole image20:27
sheytanbut it looks well on my screen20:28
sheytanFHD here20:28
apacheloggersheytan: doesn't look good :O20:47
sheytanapachelogger: what?20:47
apacheloggergradient -> plymouth looks terrible20:48
apacheloggeralso the white glow looks somewhat weird20:48
apacheloggeralso has conrast problems20:48
sheytan:/20:48
sheytanapachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/03/ply_1.png20:49
sheytanwe can rotate the logo20:50
sheytansimple and fit with both, ldm and splash20:50
apacheloggerif you send me the logo20:51
yofelthere isn't supposed to be a pager in the default install, is there?20:52
apacheloggerdon't think it was removed yet20:54
apacheloggerit should though20:54
sheytanapachelogger: sent20:54
sheytanmailed20:54
apacheloggeryofel: don't see it in the init script though20:55
apacheloggerso perhaps someone remoed it already20:55
* apachelogger starts crying20:57
yofelhm, it's there though :/20:59
yofelor it's the out-init-script-isn't-running issue again21:00
yofel*our21:00
apacheloggershouldn't happen with > 4.821:06
yofelit's a stock raring daily live install21:09
yofelI'll debug this another time21:09
apacheloggerplyouth is just crap really21:11
apacheloggerA < B < C21:11
apacheloggerD < E < C21:11
apacheloggerdefine A.foo=fun and D.foo=fun ... actually results in C.foo=fun21:12
yofelhm... do we have a py3 KCM?21:12
apacheloggeri.e. D.foo will redefine A.foo21:12
yofelprobably not21:12
apacheloggeryofel: not that I know off unless someone ported userconfig21:12
yofelI give a try but gave up21:13
yofel*gave21:13
yofelScottK: my pykde4 changes make the py2 kcm's work again at least21:13
yofeljust tried it with synaptiks21:13
apacheloggersheytan: not sure that's better....21:20
sheytanapachelogger: can i see?21:20
apacheloggersheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video.mkv21:23
sheytanwird :(21:24
sheytandamn21:25
sheytanmaybe i need to get more sleep to come out with something cool21:25
apacheloggermusic helps21:25
apacheloggerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXavZYeXEc021:25
apacheloggerbtw, what makes it so weird is the spaces interrupting the gear21:26
apacheloggerif it was the proper logo it may work21:26
apacheloggeras that is a solid circle21:26
sheytanyeah21:28
sheytannoticed that too21:28
sheytananyway, i will take a sleep in few minutes and maybe try tomorrow again :)21:28
apacheloggergnite21:28
apacheloggerfirst listen to that song tho21:28
apachelogger:P21:28
sheytanapachelogger: listening now21:50
sheytanbut i'm kinda in turkish songs today :D21:50
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valorieum23:21
valoriemumble has messed up my system23:22
valoriethat Four Tops vid played in about 10 seconds, with no sound!23:22
valorieI think our package for mumble is bizarre: why do I need gnucash? evolution-dbg?23:23
valorieplus it doesn't install23:23
valoriedo I need raring first, or what?23:23
valoriehttp://paste.kde.org/686798/ for the whole horror story23:24
valorieon a more happy note: new Doctor episode!23:31

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