[00:05] oh man [00:05] so many pieces of artwork flying around [00:05] * apachelogger goes mad [00:06] to be continued tomorrow [00:06] sheytan: plz figure out plymouth :P [00:39] s [00:39] y book [00:39] Overview - New board in org… [00:39] FOSS a [00:39] wha? [00:39] I was trying to say, before my buffer burped or something [00:40] are we gonna schedule some sessions for this virt UDS party that they are holding? [00:40] is there going to be some discussion about it on the -devel list, or even -users list? [00:41] * valorie is willing to write some emails, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes [00:41] just read ubuntu-devel, and want to thank ScottK and Riddell for raising the necessary questions [00:42] good to see bkerensa chiming in too [00:42] I've registered, but see no blueprints from us to sign on to [00:43] what is there seems very technical so far [00:47] I think we were a bit lost on what to talk about, and as we indend to use mumble instead of google+ nobody scheduled a session. Not sure who wanted to do the take care of the meeting timing though [00:48] ScottK: I think I understand a bit more about what happens: after build, you move all *.so files without an abitag to *.cpython-33m.so - then while running make install cmake notices that the .so file went missing, rebuilds it and installs the non-tagged libs [00:48] (pykde4) [00:50] I'm going to try to apply myself to testing from now on [00:50] LinuxFest Northwest is coming up, and hopefully there will be an ubuntu table, and i'll be at it [00:50] \o/ [00:50] I doubt there will be a KDE booth again [00:50] though we'll have to see how "testing" will look like in the future [00:50] yes [00:51] well, I do updates daily already [00:51] it's easier than gentoo was..... [00:51] I just haven't done the "add info to test templates" part [00:51] for a long time [00:52] I hope they / Canonical decide to do at least an annual UDS eventually [00:52] otherwise I see the community just fading away [00:52] except for us, because we have Akademy [00:53] oops, dinner time [00:54] *sigh* [00:54] now I know *what* is wrong with pykde4, and I'm totally lost on how to fix it [02:00] ScottK: so..... I committed something that should resolve the kpythonpluginfactory conflict. (i.e. it fixed the overwrite, whether it works is a different question) [02:00] please look it over for sanity matters [02:00] also noticed something else: [02:00] E: python3-pykde4: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py [02:00] that's a "python" script in the py3 package === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse === ubott2 is now known as ubottu === jackyalcine is now known as Guest69145 === Guest69145 is now known as Jacky === Jacky is now known as jalcine [05:44] Then we got the wrong pykdeuic4 in the package too. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === blaze` is now known as blaze === rperier_ is now known as rperier [10:54] btw installing mumble seems to pull in loads of gnome [10:56] apachelogger_: pongi pong === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [13:38] Hiyas all [14:29] valorie: I have not seen you in a while. :D [14:34] Connecting an external monitor for the first time to this 13.04 install resulted in two black screens. Getting it to work was a bit tricky, had to press alt+t (Try Automatically) <-- not something a new user of Kubuntu would think of. To what package should I address this bug? [14:35] if kscreen is installed, to that [14:42] yofel, I restarted kate build in Kubuntu Ninjas PPA amd64 since the dependencies are fixed:) [14:42] And it seems to be working fine. === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu [14:50] ah, great. [14:50] I retried a bunch of other things that should work now [14:50] yofel, :) [14:51] And sorry for not watching the buildlogs yesterday yofel :) (About rekonq) [14:52] hm? don't worry, just remember it next time [14:53] yofel, BTW are you starting kde-runtime too early? [14:53] * smartboyhw means the PPA rebuild [14:53] kate wasn't finished yet..... [14:53] now that you mention it... [14:53] and the QTs won't work either:P [14:53] for some reason I fell back to thinking katepart was still in kdelibs [14:54] silly me [14:54] LOL [14:54] Anyway it should be finished soon:) [14:54] And we can re-re-start! [14:55] Hmm strange kderuntime went into building.... [14:55] * smartboyhw thought it needed katepart as dependency [14:55] hmm we got something changed in kde-workspace... [14:57] not really, it's just yellow due to the lintian stuff [14:57] yofel, no I got it though release-team@kde.org ... [14:58] Just now [14:58] (6 minutes) [14:58] hm, martin said relwithdebinfo is fine [14:59] and IIRC we use that [14:59] yofel, hmm [15:00] kate SUCCEEDED!!!!!!! [15:00] well, if they do respin we'll just upload 4.10.1b, though I don't see a tar yet [15:00] yofel, yeah [15:10] We just got a THANKS! message for kde-workspace (LOL) [15:10] yofel, BTW Skrooge 1.6.0 was synced into Ubuntu:) [15:13] saw it. is that some kmymoney competitor? (just looked at the description) [15:17] yofel, yes (LOL) === ikonia_ is now known as ikonia [18:15] Riddell: we have fixed the issue that made it impossible for you to download the media files for the podcast directly from the planet feed. ☺ === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [18:48] sheytan: pingpingpingpingpingpingpping === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger [18:50] apachelogger: yeah! [18:50] finally! [18:50] ! [18:50] FlowRiser is already working on ldm : [18:50] :) [18:50] it's done [18:50] haahhaah :D [18:50] like [18:50] done [18:50] . [18:50] OK D: [18:50] show me :) [18:51] http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/02/plasma-desktopJZ2250.png [18:51] actually the shadow behind the text is a bit better than what it was in the screenshot [18:51] cool :D [18:51] well [18:52] we will have two of them :D [18:52] can i have the files? [18:53] apachelogger: have you make the user list work the way i wrote you about? [18:54] no [18:54] that's not a blocking change [18:54] yeah, was just wondering [18:54] will you ofcourse? [18:55] not sure for 13.04 [18:55] the regular system has no more than 3 users [18:55] we know that :D but if they do have more? :D [18:58] they don't want to use that theme anyway [18:59] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/files/head:/desktop/usr-share-kde4/apps/lightdm-kde-greeter/themes/experience/ [19:00] sheytan: plymouth? about-kubuntu? [19:01] plymouth. It's taking the rest of my artistic skills out. What about-kubuntu is? [19:02] bug 215383 [19:02] bug 215383 in kde4libs (Ubuntu) "About Kubuntu information box" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/215383 [19:02] needs UI design or something [19:02] ok, let me just try the ldm first [19:02] how do i branch it? [19:02] * sheytan forget how to use bzr ;( [19:03] you need https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-qtquick1-components/trunk as well [19:03] the text shadow requires a c++ addition [19:03] also wallpaper resolution [19:03] on that note [19:03] sheytan: please remember that I'd like to ahve different sizes for the background === mck182_ is now known as mck182|afk [19:04] sure sure [19:04] oh [19:04] forgot something else [19:04] apachelogger: how do i get the theme files? [19:05] bzr branch lp:kubuntu-settings [19:05] bzr branch lp:kubuntu-qtquick1-components [19:05] go into both [19:05] dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc [19:05] shoudl spit out deb files in ../ [19:05] oh [19:05] ok [19:05] and you'll need the wallpaper [19:05] * apachelogger wonders where to put that [19:05] bzr is terrible for storing artwork :S [19:06] which wallpaper. That one used as background i made? [19:07] http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Experience.tar.xz [19:07] hm [19:07] that is a really big wallpaper [19:07] apachelogger: uild dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. should i ignore that with -d? [19:08] no? :P [19:08] install them [19:08] dunno which ;P [19:08] it tells you [19:08] oh, wait :D [19:08] * apachelogger ponders creating a kubuntu-artwork package [19:09] can I have a rubber duck? [19:09] yofel: u here? [19:09] not really [19:09] :( [19:09] poke me in ~30min, then I'll be here mentally [19:10] kk [19:10] it couldn't create more packages :D [19:12] kubuntu-settings-desktop is what you want [19:12] i see :D [19:12] IF YOU ARE ON RARING [19:12] i am :P [19:12] k [19:12] all good then [19:13] nothing else does work with my dell xps 15z :D [19:13] sorry :D [19:13] too old kernels i guess [19:13] the majority of packages is there because we changed all the names [19:13] sheytan: laptops have that problem [19:13] + i'm running on optimus [19:14] makes matters worse [19:15] apachelogger: it works, atleast in test mode [19:15] no background :D [19:15] where to put it? [19:15] /usr/share/wallpapers/ [19:15] as a folder or just background.png? [19:15] folder [19:15] and? [19:15] it's a plasma wallpaper package [19:16] dude [19:16] http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Experience.tar.xz [19:16] oh [19:16] sorry :D [19:19] of all the people in the world the guy who said we need not change upstream artwork 4 years ago is now creating a kubuntu-artwork package -.- [19:19] dafuq [19:19] apachelogger: so? We cannot always user bad artwork. And of all that i love's nunos artwork, the new wall is bAD :) [19:20] you should have made one for 4.10 then................ [19:20] am not always able to [19:26] Ok. i'm gonna try the theme now live [19:29] 1 → 75 of 79 results [19:29] I wonder who triaged kde-workspace [19:29] oh whait [19:29] .. [19:29] .... [19:30] also it seems I have broken sheytan's lightdm ^^ [19:32] apachelogger: GREAT WORK! [19:33] u did the work, I just assembled the pieces [19:33] doesn't matter. It wouldn't be real without you :* [19:34] <3 [19:34] can we now move back to plymouth and make that fit in? :P [19:35] sure [19:35] and ive some ideas but need to test that out first [19:36] install the plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo deb... latest version of the theme code [19:37] ScottK: did they figure out the target audience of rolling yet or is that for after uds? [19:38] that was for during UDS IIRC [19:39] but if they agree with mtp it'll be devs and testers [19:39] i.e. the Arch user base [19:39] *mpt [19:40] * apachelogger likes that [19:40] would cause loads of bitching though [19:40] well, it has the problem of not really matching our user base [19:41] LTS does :P [19:41] I mean, the plan was to have LTS+recentKDE as Kubuntu stable product anyway [19:41] well, yeah. Except that I'm still not too fond of the 5-year support idea [19:42] with my council hat on I'd say it would nto have 5 year support [19:42] * yofel needs to get a council hat [19:42] it would have >=1y <=2y I imagine [19:42] i.e. we alignt he support cycle to what upstream supports [19:42] no, it has to be >2y [19:43] yofel: why> [19:43] ? [19:43] i.e. at least from one LTS to the next [19:43] we are in universe [19:43] ... [19:43] 3years is ~ok. [19:43] LTS is a label applied to (selected portions) of main [19:43] so? LTS users tend to be lazy [19:44] sure, but I believe we should at least properly support one LTS until the next one is there [19:44] so a bit more than 2y [19:44] we shouldn't [19:44] why? [19:44] because uptream doesn't [19:44] well duh [19:44] so we can say yeah this is totally supported 10 years [19:45] effective support will still be 2 kde relase cycles (i.e. 1 year) [19:45] why do we develop kubuntu and not chakra again? [19:45] we develop it, we do not support it :P [19:45] . . . [19:46] dealing with reality this is [19:46] we can do LTS [19:46] well, that I agree with [19:46] but it won't be LTS [19:46] because we do not track nor address upstream issues [19:46] which makes the KDE portion not LTS [19:47] we *should* fix that [19:47] so it's really in a way lying to the user [19:47] at least to some extend [19:47] yofel: when you find a company to invest in that we can :P [19:47] that is to say [19:47] true :( [19:47] I also have no problem with actually doing an LTS [19:47] but the fact remains the same [19:48] it still has effective KDE support for 1 years [19:48] the ubuntu foundation however is actual LTS [19:48] we don't really have to do the LTS thing for everything, as long as we take care of security issues at least [19:49] so if we do "releases" aligned with KDEin such a fashion that we take the LTS foundation and put the recent KDE on it the end user has in fact better support [19:49] yofel: security is covered anyway [19:49] well [19:49] i.e. I think even KDE does security for like 2 years or so [19:50] 2 years or for however long the affected code has not changed (or something like that ^^) [19:50] well, I'm all for that, as long as we have the infrastructure to do it [19:50] which we currently have not [19:50] so you please stick to reality too [19:50] yofel: which one is that? [19:50] what infratstructure do we miss? [19:51] where do support that yearly-release from? as long as we stick to ubuntu we have the choice between 2years and rolling [19:51] *where to [19:52] KDE supports that [19:52] it's not like we can just have one huge PPA that we patch onto the LTS and then spin images from that [19:52] actually it is [19:52] works now, doesn't it? :P [19:53] I talk about images and the release part [19:53] sure we already have the PPA ^^ [19:53] then again [19:53] I did not say image building [19:53] I said release [19:53] right now we do over-the-air releases to stable kubuntus via ppas [19:53] with ubuntu already backporting kernel and X maybe I'm worrying too much [19:54] whether we continue to do over-the-air or actually roll LTS+KDE into isosis up for discussion [19:55] at any rate [19:55] which reminds me. valorie asked whether we actually scheduled a session - did we? I think not [19:55] building images requires a server with archive mirror [19:55] well [19:55] s/server/computer [19:55] yofel: I didn't [19:55] hm. let's see if the ML knows [19:55] * apachelogger actually would not know what to talk about anywa :P [19:56] we wanted to talk about mumble ^^ [19:56] true [19:56] but other than that :P [19:57] apachelogger: do you think a light blue background with a little gradient will fit to the ldm theme? [19:57] I mean, we are mid-cycle and the archive stuff is really just tossing around ideas as long as ubuntu has no proper plan [19:57] sheytan: no [19:57] Oo [19:57] there is nothing blue in lightdm [19:57] well, the glow and an arrow [19:58] but blue fits with gray :) [19:58] amount to 1.73% of the screen to be blue [20:02] yofel: should I trow sheytan's artwork in with kubuntu-settings or create a new kubuntu-artwork (overall data is something like 4MiB), so bzr co would be a sane thing for -settings [20:02] then again co is already a good idea [20:02] we had wallpapers in it before [20:03] just add it, if someone *really* can't handle all the history there's --lightweight [20:04] k [20:04] sheytan: wehre are my wallpapers? :P [20:04] coming soon. This year, maybe next :D [20:05] :S [20:08] apachelogger: NFK. [20:09] ^^ [20:09] * apachelogger finds mail threads incredibly tedious to follow [20:13] well, this one is kind of interesting [20:13] also colin++ for his last mail [20:14] ❤ PLEASE TEST KUBUNTU-SETTINGS BZR ❤ [20:15] make a PPA package in experimental and I'll do so =þ [20:15] -.- [20:16] * apachelogger wonders how to set the lightdm default theme [20:19] apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/03/ply.png [20:19] apachelogger: what res of the wall you want again? [20:19] a tile resolution... -.- [20:19] sheytan: is that a linear gradient? [20:19] not for plymouyth [20:20] ah [20:20] dunno, check backlog [20:20] yes and we i came out with an ideas like last time [20:20] we create a solid color [20:20] and we put half transparent image on it [20:20] 1024x768.png 1280x1024.jpg 1600x1200.jpg 1920x1080.jpg 1920x1200.jpg [20:20] owncloud dropped from debian http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/03/msg00042.html [20:20] that will create exact the same effect gradient as you see aboce [20:20] above [20:20] sheytan: we can do top-to-bottom gradients actually [20:21] it's what we used before [20:21] tha's one of them [20:21] that's waht i'm talking about [20:21] but they are linear in progressiong [20:21] i.e. the absolute center of the screen will have 50% of origin and 50% of target value overlapping [20:21] hence my question [20:23] sheytan: how did you create the pattern in your lightdm background? [20:23] if i understand ok, this should work. I create an image like 300x100 and you repeat it [20:23] HSV noise in gimp [20:23] and come clouds rendering plugin [20:23] brb [20:23] a gradient would be 1x100 btw [20:23] 100 being the height of the gradient overlay [20:24] well, could be 200x100 [20:24] width doesn't matter all that much [20:26] hm [20:26] sheytan: and the gradient transits well into lightdm? [20:27] yes [20:27] k [20:27] i mean, ldm uses the whole image [20:28] but it looks well on my screen [20:28] FHD here [20:47] sheytan: doesn't look good :O [20:47] apachelogger: what? [20:48] gradient -> plymouth looks terrible [20:48] also the white glow looks somewhat weird [20:48] also has conrast problems [20:48] :/ [20:49] apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/03/ply_1.png [20:50] we can rotate the logo [20:50] simple and fit with both, ldm and splash [20:51] if you send me the logo [20:52] there isn't supposed to be a pager in the default install, is there? [20:54] don't think it was removed yet [20:54] it should though [20:54] apachelogger: sent [20:54] mailed [20:55] yofel: don't see it in the init script though [20:55] so perhaps someone remoed it already [20:57] * apachelogger starts crying [20:59] hm, it's there though :/ [21:00] or it's the out-init-script-isn't-running issue again [21:00] *our [21:06] shouldn't happen with > 4.8 [21:09] it's a stock raring daily live install [21:09] I'll debug this another time [21:11] plyouth is just crap really [21:11] A < B < C [21:11] D < E < C [21:12] define A.foo=fun and D.foo=fun ... actually results in C.foo=fun [21:12] hm... do we have a py3 KCM? [21:12] i.e. D.foo will redefine A.foo [21:12] probably not [21:12] yofel: not that I know off unless someone ported userconfig [21:13] I give a try but gave up [21:13] *gave [21:13] ScottK: my pykde4 changes make the py2 kcm's work again at least [21:13] just tried it with synaptiks [21:20] sheytan: not sure that's better.... [21:20] apachelogger: can i see? [21:23] sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video.mkv [21:24] wird :( [21:25] damn [21:25] maybe i need to get more sleep to come out with something cool [21:25] music helps [21:25] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXavZYeXEc0 [21:26] btw, what makes it so weird is the spaces interrupting the gear [21:26] if it was the proper logo it may work [21:26] as that is a solid circle [21:28] yeah [21:28] noticed that too [21:28] anyway, i will take a sleep in few minutes and maybe try tomorrow again :) [21:28] gnite [21:28] first listen to that song tho [21:28] :P [21:50] apachelogger: listening now [21:50] but i'm kinda in turkish songs today :D === TheDrums_ is now known as TheDrums === mck182|afk is now known as mck182 [23:21] um [23:22] mumble has messed up my system [23:22] that Four Tops vid played in about 10 seconds, with no sound! [23:23] I think our package for mumble is bizarre: why do I need gnucash? evolution-dbg? [23:23] plus it doesn't install [23:23] do I need raring first, or what? [23:24]