[00:05] <apachelogger> oh man
[00:05] <apachelogger> so many pieces of artwork flying around
[00:05]  * apachelogger goes mad
[00:06] <apachelogger> to be continued tomorrow
[00:06] <apachelogger> sheytan: plz figure out plymouth :P
[00:39] <valorie> s
[00:39] <valorie> y book
[00:39] <valorie> Overview - New board in org…
[00:39] <valorie>     FOSS a
[00:39] <valorie> wha?
[00:39] <valorie> I was trying to say, before my buffer burped or something
[00:40] <valorie> are we gonna schedule some sessions for this virt UDS party that they are holding?
[00:40] <valorie> is there going to be some discussion about it on the -devel list, or even -users list?
[00:41]  * valorie is willing to write some emails, but I don't want to step on anyone's toes
[00:41] <valorie> just read ubuntu-devel, and want to thank ScottK and Riddell for raising the necessary questions
[00:42] <valorie> good to see bkerensa chiming in too
[00:42] <valorie> I've registered, but see no blueprints from us to sign on to
[00:43] <valorie> what is there seems very technical so far
[00:47] <yofel> I think we were a bit lost on what to talk about, and as we indend to use mumble instead of google+ nobody scheduled a session. Not sure who wanted to do the take care of the meeting timing though
[00:48] <yofel> ScottK: I think I understand a bit more about what happens: after build, you move all *.so files without an abitag to *.cpython-33m.so - then while running make install cmake notices that the .so file went missing, rebuilds it and installs the non-tagged libs
[00:48] <yofel> (pykde4)
[00:50] <valorie> I'm going to try to apply myself to testing from now on
[00:50] <valorie> LinuxFest Northwest is coming up, and hopefully there will be an ubuntu table, and i'll be at it
[00:50] <yofel> \o/
[00:50] <valorie> I doubt there will be a KDE booth again
[00:50] <yofel> though we'll have to see how "testing" will look like in the future
[00:50] <valorie> yes
[00:51] <valorie> well, I do updates daily already
[00:51] <valorie> it's easier than gentoo was.....
[00:51] <valorie> I just haven't done the "add info to test templates" part
[00:51] <valorie> for a long time
[00:52] <valorie> I hope they / Canonical decide to do at least an annual UDS eventually
[00:52] <valorie> otherwise I see the community just fading away
[00:52] <valorie> except for us, because we have Akademy
[00:53] <valorie> oops, dinner time
[00:54] <yofel> *sigh*
[00:54] <yofel> now I know *what* is wrong with pykde4, and I'm totally lost on how to fix it
[02:00] <yofel> ScottK: so..... I committed something that should resolve the kpythonpluginfactory conflict. (i.e. it fixed the overwrite, whether it works is a different question)
[02:00] <yofel> please look it over for sanity matters
[02:00] <yofel> also noticed something else:
[02:00] <yofel> E: python3-pykde4: python-script-but-no-python-dep usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/PyQt4/uic/pykdeuic4.py
[02:00] <yofel> that's a "python" script in the py3 package
[05:44] <ScottK> Then we got the wrong pykdeuic4 in the package too.
[10:54] <valorie> btw installing mumble seems to pull in loads of gnome
[10:56] <sheytan> apachelogger_: pongi pong
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:29] <Darkwing> valorie: I have not seen you in a while. :D
[14:34] <lordievader> Connecting an external monitor for the first time to this 13.04 install resulted in two black screens. Getting it to work was a bit tricky, had to press alt+t (Try Automatically) <-- not something a new user of Kubuntu would think of. To what package should I address this bug?
[14:35] <yofel> if kscreen is installed, to that
[14:42] <smartboyhw> yofel, I restarted kate build in Kubuntu Ninjas PPA amd64 since the dependencies are fixed:)
[14:42] <smartboyhw> And it seems to be working fine.
[14:50] <yofel> ah, great.
[14:50] <yofel> I retried a bunch of other things that should work now
[14:50] <smartboyhw> yofel, :)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> And sorry for not watching the buildlogs yesterday yofel :) (About rekonq)
[14:52] <yofel> hm? don't worry, just remember it next time
[14:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, BTW are you starting kde-runtime too early?
[14:53]  * smartboyhw means the PPA rebuild
[14:53] <smartboyhw> kate wasn't finished yet.....
[14:53] <yofel> now that you mention it...
[14:53] <smartboyhw> and the QTs won't work either:P
[14:53] <yofel> for some reason I fell back to thinking katepart was still in kdelibs
[14:54] <yofel> silly me
[14:54] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Anyway it should be finished soon:)
[14:54] <smartboyhw> And we can re-re-start!
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Hmm strange kderuntime went into building....
[14:55]  * smartboyhw thought it needed katepart as dependency
[14:55] <smartboyhw> hmm we got something changed in kde-workspace...
[14:57] <yofel> not really, it's just yellow due to the lintian stuff
[14:57] <smartboyhw> yofel, no I got it though release-team@kde.org ...
[14:58] <smartboyhw> Just now
[14:58] <smartboyhw> (6 minutes)
[14:58] <yofel> hm, martin said relwithdebinfo is fine
[14:59] <yofel> and IIRC we use that
[14:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, hmm
[15:00] <smartboyhw> kate SUCCEEDED!!!!!!!
[15:00] <yofel> well, if they do respin we'll just upload 4.10.1b, though I don't see a tar yet
[15:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, yeah
[15:10] <smartboyhw> We just got a THANKS! message for kde-workspace (LOL)
[15:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, BTW Skrooge 1.6.0 was synced into Ubuntu:)
[15:13] <yofel> saw it. is that some kmymoney competitor? (just looked at the description)
[15:17] <smartboyhw> yofel, yes (LOL)
[18:15] <popey> Riddell: we have fixed the issue that made it impossible for you to download the media files for the podcast directly from the planet feed. ☺
[18:48] <apachelogger_> sheytan: pingpingpingpingpingpingpping
[18:50] <sheytan> apachelogger: yeah!
[18:50] <sheytan> finally!
[18:50] <apachelogger> !
[18:50] <sheytan> FlowRiser is already working on ldm :
[18:50] <sheytan> :)
[18:50] <apachelogger> it's done
[18:50] <sheytan> haahhaah :D
[18:50] <apachelogger> like
[18:50] <apachelogger> done
[18:50] <apachelogger> .
[18:50] <sheytan> OK D:
[18:50] <sheytan> show me :)
[18:51] <apachelogger> http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/02/plasma-desktopJZ2250.png
[18:51] <apachelogger> actually the shadow behind the text is a bit better than what it was in the screenshot
[18:51] <sheytan> cool :D
[18:51] <sheytan> well
[18:52] <sheytan> we will have two of them :D
[18:52] <sheytan> can i have the files?
[18:53] <sheytan> apachelogger: have you make the user list work the way i wrote you about?
[18:54] <apachelogger> no
[18:54] <apachelogger> that's not a blocking change
[18:54] <sheytan> yeah, was just wondering
[18:54] <sheytan> will you ofcourse?
[18:55] <apachelogger> not sure for 13.04
[18:55] <apachelogger> the regular system has no more than 3 users
[18:55] <sheytan> we know that :D but if they do have more? :D
[18:58] <apachelogger> they don't want to use that theme anyway
[18:59] <apachelogger> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-settings/kubuntu-settings/files/head:/desktop/usr-share-kde4/apps/lightdm-kde-greeter/themes/experience/
[19:00] <apachelogger> sheytan: plymouth? about-kubuntu?
[19:01] <sheytan> plymouth. It's taking the rest of my artistic skills out. What about-kubuntu is?
[19:02] <apachelogger> bug 215383
[19:02] <apachelogger> needs UI design or something
[19:02] <sheytan> ok, let me just try the ldm first
[19:02] <sheytan> how do i branch it?
[19:02]  * sheytan forget how to use bzr ;(
[19:03] <apachelogger> you need https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kubuntu-qtquick1-components/trunk as well
[19:03] <apachelogger> the text shadow requires a c++ addition
[19:03] <apachelogger> also wallpaper resolution
[19:03] <apachelogger> on that note
[19:03] <apachelogger> sheytan: please remember that I'd like to ahve different sizes for the background
[19:04] <sheytan> sure sure
[19:04] <apachelogger> oh
[19:04] <apachelogger> forgot something else
[19:04] <sheytan> apachelogger: how do i get the theme files?
[19:05] <apachelogger> bzr branch lp:kubuntu-settings
[19:05] <apachelogger> bzr branch lp:kubuntu-qtquick1-components
[19:05] <apachelogger> go into both
[19:05] <apachelogger> dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[19:05] <apachelogger> shoudl spit out deb files in ../
[19:05] <apachelogger> oh
[19:05] <sheytan> ok
[19:05] <apachelogger> and you'll need the wallpaper
[19:05]  * apachelogger wonders where to put that
[19:05] <apachelogger> bzr is terrible for storing artwork :S
[19:06] <sheytan> which wallpaper. That one used as background i made?
[19:07] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Experience.tar.xz
[19:07] <apachelogger> hm
[19:07] <apachelogger> that is a really big wallpaper
[19:07] <sheytan> apachelogger: uild dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. should i ignore that with -d?
[19:08] <apachelogger> no? :P
[19:08] <apachelogger> install them
[19:08] <sheytan> dunno which ;P
[19:08] <apachelogger> it tells you
[19:08] <sheytan> oh, wait :D
[19:08]  * apachelogger ponders creating a kubuntu-artwork package
[19:09] <apachelogger> can I have a rubber duck?
[19:09] <apachelogger> yofel: u here?
[19:09] <yofel> not really
[19:09] <apachelogger> :(
[19:09] <yofel> poke me in ~30min, then I'll be here mentally
[19:10] <apachelogger> kk
[19:10] <sheytan> it couldn't create more packages :D
[19:12] <apachelogger> kubuntu-settings-desktop is what you want
[19:12] <sheytan> i see :D
[19:12] <apachelogger> IF YOU ARE ON RARING
[19:12] <sheytan> i am :P
[19:12] <apachelogger> k
[19:12] <apachelogger> all good then
[19:13] <sheytan> nothing else does work with my dell xps 15z :D
[19:13] <sheytan> sorry :D
[19:13] <sheytan> too old kernels i guess
[19:13] <apachelogger> the majority of packages is there because we changed all the names 
[19:13] <apachelogger> sheytan: laptops have that problem
[19:13] <sheytan> + i'm running on optimus
[19:14] <apachelogger> makes matters worse
[19:15] <sheytan> apachelogger: it works, atleast in test mode
[19:15] <sheytan> no background :D
[19:15] <sheytan> where to put it?
[19:15] <apachelogger> /usr/share/wallpapers/
[19:15] <sheytan> as a folder or just background.png?
[19:15] <apachelogger> folder
[19:15] <sheytan> and? 
[19:15] <apachelogger> it's a plasma wallpaper package
[19:16] <apachelogger> dude
[19:16] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/Experience.tar.xz
[19:16] <sheytan> oh
[19:16] <sheytan> sorry :D
[19:19] <apachelogger> of all the people in the world the guy who said we need not change upstream artwork 4 years ago is now creating a kubuntu-artwork package -.-
[19:19] <apachelogger> dafuq
[19:19] <sheytan> apachelogger: so? We cannot always user bad artwork. And of all that i love's nunos artwork, the new wall is bAD :)
[19:20] <apachelogger> you should have made one for 4.10 then................
[19:20] <sheytan> am not always able to 
[19:26] <sheytan> Ok. i'm gonna try the theme now live
[19:29] <apachelogger> 1 → 75 of 79 results	
[19:29] <apachelogger> I wonder who triaged kde-workspace
[19:29] <apachelogger> oh whait
[19:29] <apachelogger> ..
[19:29] <apachelogger> ....
[19:30] <apachelogger> also it seems I have broken sheytan's lightdm ^^
[19:32] <sheytan> apachelogger: GREAT WORK!
[19:33] <apachelogger> u did the work, I just assembled the pieces
[19:33] <sheytan> doesn't matter. It wouldn't be real without you :*
[19:34] <apachelogger> <3
[19:34] <apachelogger> can we now move back to plymouth and make that fit in? :P
[19:35] <sheytan> sure
[19:35] <sheytan> and ive some ideas but need to test that out first
[19:36] <apachelogger> install the plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo deb... latest version of the theme code
[19:37] <apachelogger> ScottK: did they figure out the target audience of rolling yet or is that for after uds?
[19:38] <yofel> that was for during UDS IIRC
[19:39] <yofel> but if they agree with mtp it'll be devs and testers
[19:39] <yofel> i.e. the Arch user base
[19:39] <yofel> *mpt
[19:40]  * apachelogger likes that
[19:40] <apachelogger> would cause loads of bitching though
[19:40] <yofel> well, it has the problem of not really matching our user base
[19:41] <apachelogger> LTS does :P
[19:41] <apachelogger> I mean, the plan was to have LTS+recentKDE as Kubuntu stable product anyway
[19:41] <yofel> well, yeah. Except that I'm still not too fond of the 5-year support idea
[19:42] <apachelogger> with my council hat on I'd say it would nto have 5 year support
[19:42]  * yofel needs to get a council hat
[19:42] <apachelogger> it would have >=1y <=2y I imagine
[19:42] <apachelogger> i.e. we alignt he support cycle to what upstream supports
[19:42] <yofel> no, it has to be >2y
[19:43] <apachelogger> yofel: why>
[19:43] <apachelogger> ?
[19:43] <yofel> i.e. at least from one LTS to the next
[19:43] <apachelogger> we are in universe
[19:43] <apachelogger> ...
[19:43] <yofel> 3years is ~ok. 
[19:43] <apachelogger> LTS is a label applied to (selected portions) of main
[19:43] <yofel> so? LTS users tend to be lazy
[19:44] <yofel> sure, but I believe we should at least properly support one LTS until the next one is there
[19:44] <yofel> so a bit more than 2y
[19:44] <apachelogger> we shouldn't
[19:44] <yofel> why?
[19:44] <apachelogger> because uptream doesn't
[19:44] <yofel> well duh
[19:44] <apachelogger> so we can say yeah this is totally supported 10 years
[19:45] <apachelogger> effective support will still be 2 kde relase cycles (i.e. 1 year)
[19:45] <yofel> why do we develop kubuntu and not chakra again?
[19:45] <apachelogger> we develop it, we do not support it :P
[19:45] <yofel> . . .
[19:46] <apachelogger> dealing with reality this is
[19:46] <apachelogger> we can do LTS
[19:46] <yofel> well, that I agree with
[19:46] <apachelogger> but it won't be LTS
[19:46] <apachelogger> because we do not track nor address upstream issues
[19:46] <apachelogger> which makes the KDE portion not LTS
[19:47] <yofel> we *should* fix that
[19:47] <apachelogger> so it's really in a way lying to the user
[19:47] <yofel> at least to some extend
[19:47] <apachelogger> yofel: when you find a company to invest in that we can  :P
[19:47] <apachelogger> that is to say
[19:47] <yofel> true :(
[19:47] <apachelogger> I also have no problem with actually doing an LTS
[19:47] <apachelogger> but the fact remains the same
[19:48] <apachelogger> it still has effective KDE support for 1 years
[19:48] <apachelogger> the ubuntu foundation however is actual LTS
[19:48] <yofel> we don't really have to do the LTS thing for everything, as long as we take care of security issues at least
[19:49] <apachelogger> so if we do "releases" aligned with KDEin such a fashion that we take the LTS foundation and put the recent KDE on it the end user has in fact better support
[19:49] <apachelogger> yofel: security is covered anyway
[19:49] <yofel> well
[19:49] <apachelogger> i.e. I think even KDE does security for like 2 years or so
[19:50] <apachelogger> 2 years or for however long the affected code has not changed (or something like that ^^)
[19:50] <yofel> well, I'm all for that, as long as we have the infrastructure to do it
[19:50] <yofel> which we currently have not
[19:50] <yofel> so you please stick to reality too
[19:50] <apachelogger> yofel: which one is that?
[19:50] <apachelogger> what infratstructure do we miss?
[19:51] <yofel> where do support that yearly-release from? as long as we stick to ubuntu we have the choice between 2years and rolling
[19:51] <yofel> *where to
[19:52] <apachelogger> KDE supports that
[19:52] <yofel> it's not like we can just have one huge PPA that we patch onto the LTS and then spin images from that
[19:52] <apachelogger> actually it is
[19:52] <apachelogger> works now, doesn't it? :P
[19:53] <yofel> I talk about images and the release part
[19:53] <yofel> sure we already have the PPA ^^
[19:53] <yofel> then again
[19:53] <apachelogger> I did not say image building
[19:53] <apachelogger> I said release
[19:53] <apachelogger> right now we do over-the-air releases to stable kubuntus via ppas
[19:53] <yofel> with ubuntu already backporting kernel and X maybe I'm worrying too much
[19:54] <apachelogger> whether we continue to do over-the-air or actually roll LTS+KDE into isosis up for discussion
[19:55] <apachelogger> at any rate
[19:55] <yofel> which reminds me. valorie asked whether we actually scheduled a session - did we? I think not
[19:55] <apachelogger> building images requires a server with archive mirror
[19:55] <apachelogger> well
[19:55] <apachelogger> s/server/computer
[19:55] <apachelogger> yofel: I didn't
[19:55] <yofel> hm. let's see if the ML knows
[19:55]  * apachelogger actually would not know what to talk about anywa :P
[19:56] <yofel> we wanted to talk about mumble ^^
[19:56] <apachelogger> true
[19:56] <apachelogger> but other than that :P
[19:57] <sheytan> apachelogger: do you think a light blue background with a little gradient will fit to the ldm theme?
[19:57] <apachelogger> I mean, we are mid-cycle and the archive stuff is really just tossing around ideas as long as ubuntu has no proper plan
[19:57] <apachelogger> sheytan: no
[19:57] <apachelogger> Oo
[19:57] <apachelogger> there is nothing blue in lightdm
[19:57] <apachelogger> well, the glow and an arrow
[19:58] <sheytan> but blue fits with gray :)
[19:58] <apachelogger> amount to 1.73% of the screen to be blue
[20:02] <apachelogger> yofel: should I trow sheytan's artwork in with kubuntu-settings or create a new kubuntu-artwork (overall data is something like 4MiB), so bzr co would be a sane thing for -settings
[20:02] <apachelogger> then again co is already a good idea
[20:02] <apachelogger> we had wallpapers in it before
[20:03] <yofel> just add it, if someone *really* can't handle all the history there's --lightweight
[20:04] <apachelogger> k
[20:04] <apachelogger> sheytan: wehre are my wallpapers? :P
[20:04] <sheytan> coming soon. This year, maybe next :D
[20:05] <apachelogger> :S
[20:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: NFK.
[20:09] <apachelogger> ^^
[20:09]  * apachelogger finds mail threads incredibly tedious to follow
[20:13] <yofel> well, this one is kind of interesting
[20:13] <yofel> also colin++ for his last mail
[20:14] <apachelogger> ❤ PLEASE TEST KUBUNTU-SETTINGS BZR  ❤
[20:15] <yofel> make a PPA package in experimental and I'll do so =þ
[20:15] <apachelogger> -.-
[20:16]  * apachelogger wonders how to set the lightdm default theme
[20:19] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/03/ply.png
[20:19] <sheytan> apachelogger: what res of the wall you want again?
[20:19] <apachelogger> a tile resolution... -.-
[20:19] <apachelogger> sheytan: is that a linear gradient?
[20:19] <sheytan> not for plymouyth
[20:20] <apachelogger> ah
[20:20] <apachelogger> dunno, check backlog
[20:20] <sheytan> yes and we i came out with an ideas like last time
[20:20] <sheytan> we create a solid color
[20:20] <sheytan> and we put half transparent image on it
[20:20] <apachelogger> 1024x768.png 1280x1024.jpg  1600x1200.jpg  1920x1080.jpg  1920x1200.jpg
[20:20] <Riddell> owncloud dropped from debian http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2013/03/msg00042.html
[20:20] <sheytan> that will create exact the same effect gradient as you see aboce
[20:20] <sheytan> above
[20:20] <apachelogger> sheytan: we can do top-to-bottom gradients actually
[20:21] <apachelogger> it's what we used before
[20:21] <sheytan> tha's one of them
[20:21] <sheytan> that's waht i'm talking about
[20:21] <apachelogger> but they are linear in progressiong
[20:21] <apachelogger> i.e. the absolute center of the screen will have 50% of origin and 50% of target value overlapping
[20:21] <apachelogger> hence my question
[20:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: how did you create the pattern in your lightdm background?
[20:23] <sheytan> if i understand ok, this should work. I create an image like 300x100 and you repeat it
[20:23] <sheytan> HSV noise in gimp
[20:23] <sheytan> and come clouds rendering plugin
[20:23] <sheytan> brb
[20:23] <apachelogger> a gradient would be 1x100 btw
[20:23] <apachelogger> 100 being the height of the gradient overlay
[20:24] <apachelogger> well, could be 200x100 
[20:24] <apachelogger> width doesn't matter all that much
[20:26] <apachelogger> hm
[20:26] <apachelogger> sheytan: and the gradient transits well into lightdm?
[20:27] <sheytan> yes
[20:27] <apachelogger> k
[20:27] <sheytan> i mean, ldm uses the whole image
[20:28] <sheytan> but it looks well on my screen
[20:28] <sheytan> FHD here
[20:47] <apachelogger> sheytan: doesn't look good :O
[20:47] <sheytan> apachelogger: what?
[20:48] <apachelogger> gradient -> plymouth looks terrible
[20:48] <apachelogger> also the white glow looks somewhat weird
[20:48] <apachelogger> also has conrast problems
[20:48] <sheytan> :/
[20:49] <sheytan> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2013/03/03/ply_1.png
[20:50] <sheytan> we can rotate the logo
[20:50] <sheytan> simple and fit with both, ldm and splash
[20:51] <apachelogger> if you send me the logo
[20:52] <yofel> there isn't supposed to be a pager in the default install, is there?
[20:54] <apachelogger> don't think it was removed yet
[20:54] <apachelogger> it should though
[20:54] <sheytan> apachelogger: sent
[20:54] <sheytan> mailed
[20:55] <apachelogger> yofel: don't see it in the init script though
[20:55] <apachelogger> so perhaps someone remoed it already
[20:57]  * apachelogger starts crying
[20:59] <yofel> hm, it's there though :/
[21:00] <yofel> or it's the out-init-script-isn't-running issue again
[21:00] <yofel> *our
[21:06] <apachelogger> shouldn't happen with > 4.8
[21:09] <yofel> it's a stock raring daily live install
[21:09] <yofel> I'll debug this another time
[21:11] <apachelogger> plyouth is just crap really
[21:11] <apachelogger> A < B < C
[21:11] <apachelogger> D < E < C
[21:12] <apachelogger> define A.foo=fun and D.foo=fun ... actually results in C.foo=fun
[21:12] <yofel> hm... do we have a py3 KCM?
[21:12] <apachelogger> i.e. D.foo will redefine A.foo
[21:12] <yofel> probably not
[21:12] <apachelogger> yofel: not that I know off unless someone ported userconfig
[21:13] <yofel> I give a try but gave up
[21:13] <yofel> *gave
[21:13] <yofel> ScottK: my pykde4 changes make the py2 kcm's work again at least
[21:13] <yofel> just tried it with synaptiks
[21:20] <apachelogger> sheytan: not sure that's better....
[21:20] <sheytan> apachelogger: can i see?
[21:23] <apachelogger> sheytan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/video.mkv
[21:24] <sheytan> wird :(
[21:25] <sheytan> damn
[21:25] <sheytan> maybe i need to get more sleep to come out with something cool
[21:25] <apachelogger> music helps
[21:25] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXavZYeXEc0
[21:26] <apachelogger> btw, what makes it so weird is the spaces interrupting the gear
[21:26] <apachelogger> if it was the proper logo it may work
[21:26] <apachelogger> as that is a solid circle
[21:28] <sheytan> yeah
[21:28] <sheytan> noticed that too
[21:28] <sheytan> anyway, i will take a sleep in few minutes and maybe try tomorrow again :)
[21:28] <apachelogger> gnite
[21:28] <apachelogger> first listen to that song tho
[21:28] <apachelogger> :P
[21:50] <sheytan> apachelogger: listening now
[21:50] <sheytan> but i'm kinda in turkish songs today :D
[23:21] <valorie> um
[23:22] <valorie> mumble has messed up my system
[23:22] <valorie> that Four Tops vid played in about 10 seconds, with no sound!
[23:23] <valorie> I think our package for mumble is bizarre: why do I need gnucash? evolution-dbg?
[23:23] <valorie> plus it doesn't install
[23:23] <valorie> do I need raring first, or what?
[23:24] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/686798/ for the whole horror story
[23:31] <valorie> on a more happy note: new Doctor episode!