[01:02] <Allard> jtaylor
[01:02] <Allard> ok
[01:02] <Allard> more specific
[01:02] <Allard> is I was using Ubuntu 13.04
[01:02] <Allard> then I installed NVIDIA drivers
[01:02] <Allard> and the os didn't load correctly
[01:03] <Allard> I had to reinstall it
[01:03] <Allard> and when I did office won't start
[01:03] <Allard> last time when I uninstalled it and installed it again it worke
[01:03] <Allard> d
[01:03] <jtaylor> why won't it start? whats the error?
[01:03] <Allard> well it shows no error it just does not load
[01:04] <jtaylor> what happens when you start it from commandline?
[01:04] <Allard> when I start from terminal
[01:04] <Allard> ok
[01:04] <Allard> this is what it is written
[01:04] <Allard> /usr/bin/libreoffice: 49: cd: can't cd to lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 ���../lib/libreoffice/program
[01:04] <Allard> /usr/bin/libreoffice: 156: exec: /usr/bin/oosplash: not found
[01:07] <jtaylor> ���../lib/libreof   whats that?
[01:07] <Allard> I guess libre office
[01:07] <Allard> oo
[01:07] <Allard> this is how it is written
[01:07] <Allard> I have no idea
[01:08] <jtaylor> look into the libreoffice file and find out were the question marks are coming from
[01:08] <jtaylor> whats the ouput of: pwd
[01:09] <Allard> pwd now is /home/georgi
[01:11] <Allard> I don't know where that folder is
[01:12] <bjsnider> it shows those question marks in your terminal?
[01:12] <Allard> yes
[01:12] <bjsnider> yeah, right
[01:12] <Allard> it does
[01:12] <Allard> I can show you screenshot
[01:13] <jtaylor> add a set -x to the libreoffice script and see what it does
[01:14] <Allard> where is this scripy
[01:14] <Allard> script
[01:14] <penguin42> doesn't seem to have a /usr/bin/oosplash
[01:14] <jtaylor> no it doesn't cd into the folder were oosplash is
[01:16] <Allard> the thing is I have another laptop
[01:16] <Allard> and it loads there
[01:16] <Allard> it is with raring too
[01:16] <penguin42> Allard: Have you ever tried installing libreoffice from libreoffice's site rather than ubuntu's package - or from a ppa?
[01:17] <Allard> I tried downloading it but it is tar.gz so I couldn't
[01:17] <bjsnider> jtaylor, i think the can't cd error is to the program folder, which in ubuntu is /usr/lib/libreoffice/program
[01:17] <bjsnider> Allard, have you got that folder?
[01:17] <jtaylor> bjsnider: I know, the question is why
[01:17] <bjsnider> directory i mean
[01:18] <bjsnider> stop using windows terms
[01:18] <jtaylor> probably because of the questionmarks in the path
[01:18] <Allard> I am gonna check
[01:18] <jtaylor> thus I asked to add the set -x
[01:18] <Allard> nope
[01:18] <Allard> no such folder
[01:19] <bjsnider> try ls a sudo
[01:19] <bjsnider> as sudo
[01:19] <Allard> it has lsb
[01:19] <Allard> ok
[01:20] <bjsnider> that stuff comes from the package called libreoffice-core. is that package installed?
[01:20] <Allard> it says it is installed in Software Center
[01:21] <Allard> through terminal it has folder lib
[01:22] <bjsnider> dpkg-query -L libreoffice-core
[01:23] <bjsnider> this is the list: http://packages.ubuntu.com/raring/amd64/libreoffice-core/filelist
[01:23] <bjsnider> if that's not what you see, reinstall the package. remove it first
[01:28] <Allard> I see it
[01:28] <Allard> maybe there is something little missing
[01:30] <bjsnider> you see that l ist?
[01:30] <bjsnider> but your ls command said the directory didn't exist
[01:30] <bjsnider> so maybe the permissions are wrong
[01:32] <Allard> mm
[01:32] <Allard> maybe
[01:32] <Allard> do you know what I have to do
[01:32] <bjsnider> what do you get with sudo ls -lsd /usr/lib/libreoffice
[01:32] <Allard> ls: error initializing month strings
[01:32] <Allard> 4 drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 ��� 27 09:35 /usr/lib/libreoffice
[01:33] <Allard> that is what I got
[01:33] <bjsnider> question marks instead of the month
[01:33] <penguin42> some type of locale problem?
[01:33] <Allard> oh yes
[01:33] <jtaylor> as I said its a problemn in the script
[01:33] <Allard> I have it also
[01:33] <penguin42> bjsnider: Those aren't ? those are some special character
[01:33] <Allard> yes
[01:33] <jtaylor> probably a sed line screwing up on unicode
[01:33] <bjsnider> yeah i know
[01:34] <Allard> I will restart
[01:34] <jtaylor> put the set -x and you will stop guessing around
[01:34] <bjsnider> i'm just describing them quickly
[01:34] <Allard> ok
[01:34] <Allard> what was that x again
[01:34] <Allard> it is the local
[01:34] <Allard> I installed new language
[01:34] <Allard> I will try to restart
[01:34] <jtaylor> no need to restart
[01:34] <jtaylor> if you reset the locale we might not find the bug
[01:35] <Allard> how do I reset the local
[01:35] <Allard> it is on Bulgarian now
[01:36] <jtaylor> the script is pretty stupid from the looks of it
[01:36] <jtaylor> uses weird sed to determine a link, instead of using readlink
[01:36] <Allard> ok
[01:36] <jtaylor> I'm not surprised that it breaks
[01:37] <Allard> so what now
[01:37] <bjsnider> with all of the users they have it's bound to already be an open bug
[01:37] <jtaylor> not necessarily
[01:37] <bjsnider> switch locale and the whole thing breaks down
[01:37] <jtaylor> if its a unicode issue it might be specific to special locale
[01:37] <jtaylor> only appearing on one special month
[01:37] <jtaylor> kind of like the libreoffice won't print on tuesday bug :)
[01:37] <penguin42> hehe yes
[01:38] <bjsnider> didn't know about that one
[01:38] <penguin42> bjsnider: Bug 248619
[01:38] <bjsnider> i thought they were trying to clean up all of the old sun crap
[01:38] <penguin42> jtaylor: Yeh that's a dumb script - parsing the output of ls
[01:39] <jtaylor> Allard: cp /usr/bin/libreoffice /tmp
[01:39] <jtaylor> Allard: edit /tmp/libreoffice, put set -x on the second line
[01:39] <jtaylor> run it
[01:39] <jtaylor> paste the output on paste.ubuntu.com
[01:40] <Allard> I put x
[01:40] <jtaylor> set -x
[01:41] <Allard> how do I get the output
[01:41] <jtaylor> run it
[01:41] <jtaylor>  /tmp/libreoffice 2>&1 | pastebinit
[01:42] <Allard> /tmp/libreoffice 2>&1
[01:42] <Allard> oops
[01:42] <Allard> /tmp/libreoffice: 156: exec: /tmp/oosplash: not found
[01:42] <penguin42> is that all it said?
[01:43] <Allard> yes
[01:43] <Allard> I also don't see the date and time
[01:44] <Allard> it says [Invalid UTF-8]
[01:44] <Allard> I changed it to english
[01:44] <bjsnider> put oosplash there too
[01:44] <Allard> I will restart and try it again
[01:44] <Allard> brb
[01:44] <penguin42> Allard: Can you do   /bin/sh -x /tmp/librefoffice 2>&1 | pastebin
[01:44] <penguin42> it
[01:44] <jtaylor> thats simpler than editing :)
[01:44] <Allard> /bin/sh: 0: Can't open /tmp/librefoffice
[01:45] <penguin42> hmph
[01:45] <penguin42> Allard: I mistyped
[01:45] <penguin42> Allard:   /bin/sh -x /tmp/libreoffice 2>&1 | pastebinit
[01:46] <bjsnider> i wonder if readlink still works with the locale changed.
[01:46] <bjsnider> alomst certainly does
[01:46] <jtaylor> filed bug 1141106
[01:46] <jtaylor> bjsnider: the issue is not with the filenames
[01:46] <Allard> + SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING=1
[01:46] <Allard> + export SAL_ENABLE_FILE_LOCKING
[01:46] <Allard> + pwd
[01:46] <Allard> + sd_cwd=/usr/lib
[01:46] <Allard> + sd_res=/tmp/libreoffice
[01:46] <Allard> + [ -h /tmp/libreoffice ]
[01:46] <Allard> + dirname /tmp/libreoffice
[01:46] <jtaylor> those are in the package and fine utf-8
[01:46] <Allard> + cd /tmp
[01:46] <Allard> + pwd
[01:46] <jtaylor> the problem is the ls -l output
[01:46] <Allard> + sd_prog=/tmp
[01:47] <Allard> + cd /usr/lib
[01:47] <Allard> + [ -e /tmp/ooenv ]
[01:47] <jtaylor> which contains locale data
[01:47] <Allard> + GDBTRACECHECK=
[01:47] <Allard> + STRACECHECK=
[01:47] <Allard> + VALGRINDCHECK=
[01:47] <Allard> + checks=
[01:47] <bjsnider> i guess he doesn't have pastebinit installed
[01:47] <Allard> + test -n
[01:47] <Allard> + VALGRINDOPT=
[01:47] <Allard> + + grepecho -q cc
[01:47] <Allard>  
[01:47] <Allard> + PYTHONPATH=/tmp
[01:47] <Allard> + export PYTHONPATH
[01:47] <Allard> + uname -s
[01:47] <Allard> + [ -n  ]
[01:47] <Allard> + [ -n  -a -z  ]
[01:47] <Allard> + exec /tmp/oosplash
[01:47] <penguin42> bjsnider: I guess not
[01:47] <Allard> /tmp/libreoffice: 156: exec: /tmp/oosplash: not found
[01:47] <jtaylor> ops
[01:47] <penguin42> we need an evil locale for testing this type of stuff
[01:47] <jtaylor> usr/bin/libreoffice is
[01:48] <jtaylor> so it does not go in the right codepath
[01:48] <bjsnider> penguin42, you could change your locale to bulgarian
[01:48] <penguin42> bjsnider: I meant generally; something where every month/day/etc has a quote like char in etc
[01:48] <jtaylor> well I got to go, if you figure out more add it to bug 1141106
[01:48] <jtaylor> or just wait for them to fix it
[01:48] <jtaylor> is probably simpler as the issue is clear
[01:49] <penguin42> Allard: What's the locale caled for bulgarian (echo $LANG)
[01:49] <Allard> I don't know
[01:50] <bjsnider> run that command
[01:50] <bjsnider> echo $LANG
[01:50] <Allard> I am with English now and it says: echo $LANG
[01:50] <Allard> oops
[01:50] <Allard> en_US.UTF-8
[01:51] <penguin42> right, but yeh that won't help me because I know that one
[01:51] <penguin42> http://forum.ubuntu.org.cn/viewtopic.php?t=373265&p=2730302 looks similar
[01:51] <bjsnider> what's the command to show all installed locales?
[01:52] <Allard> I have no idea
[01:52] <penguin42> locale -a
[01:53] <Allard> bg_BG
[01:53] <Allard> bg_BG.cp1251
[01:53] <Allard> bg_BG.utf8
[01:53] <penguin42> thanks
[01:53] <bjsnider> Allard, one more before you restart
[01:53] <Allard> ok
[01:53] <bjsnider> i know it will work, but anyway: readlink /usr/bin/libreoffice
[01:54] <Allard> ../lib/libreoffice/program/soffice
[01:54] <Allard> this is the output of that
[01:54] <bjsnider> perfect
[01:54] <bjsnider> that's all they needed
[01:54] <bjsnider> ok, you can restart
[01:54] <Allard> ok
[01:54] <bjsnider> so instead of that, they did ls|sed whatever
[01:55] <bjsnider> they're overachievers to be sure
[01:55] <penguin42> bjsnider: It's possible they were trying to make it work on some non-linux?
[01:56]  * penguin42 wonders if the date on the symlink depends on the installation date
[01:56] <bjsnider> yeah, but then you do if/else and use the best practices on whatever that is
[01:56] <bjsnider> or better yet, build the script based on your platform, leave out the unnecessary parts
[01:57] <penguin42> nod
[01:57] <penguin42> libreoffice starts on my raring box with LANG=bg_BG.utf8
[01:58] <bjsnider> does ls work?
[01:58] <penguin42> yes, I see lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 фев 19 04:27 /usr/bin/libreoffice -> ../lib/libreoffice/program/soffice
[01:58] <bjsnider> that's the difference
[01:58] <penguin42> I don't know what you see but I see 3 cyrilic(?) chars for the month
[01:59] <jtaylor> penguin42: you got some valid unicode in there, Allard did not
[01:59] <Allard> it worked now
[01:59] <Allard> it started
[01:59] <Allard> with English as local
[01:59] <jtaylor> really gone now :) (still wanted to check debian)
[01:59] <Allard> ok
[01:59] <bjsnider> so readlink doesn't use ls?
[02:00] <penguin42> Allard: Do you know which Locale you were using - the utf8 bulgarian or the none-utf-8 version?
[02:00] <Allard> I have no idea
[02:00] <penguin42> It would be good to know what echo $LANG said in that setup
[02:01] <Allard> it said what I wrote
[02:01] <Allard> even with bulgarian as locale it said the same thing
[02:01] <bjsnider> penguin42, try with bg_BG
[02:01] <penguin42> bjsnider: I don't have it, locale -a is only listing the utf8 version
[02:01] <bjsnider> i wonder where the hell he got it
[02:01] <Allard> I installed language
[02:02] <Allard> then applied it
[02:02] <penguin42> how?
[02:02] <Allard> fron system settings
[02:02] <Allard> language support
[02:02] <Allard> button " Install/Remove Languages"
[02:02] <Allard> then applied it
[02:02] <Allard> I still have it installed
[02:02] <Allard> but I am using english as applied
[02:03] <bjsnider> penguin42, how did you install it?
[02:03] <penguin42> bjsnider: I installed language-pack-bg-base
[02:04] <Allard> I guess that is it
[02:04] <Allard> also
[02:04] <Allard> does somebody know how to fix the blackscreen except with     ACPI_OSI=LINUX in /etc/default/grub
[02:04] <Allard> I thought it might be fixed by now
[02:06] <Allard> I am going for a cigarette if anyone has an answer I will read it when I come in 3,4 mins
[02:10] <penguin42> phew
[02:10] <Allard> no answer
[02:10] <Allard> does somebody know
[02:11] <penguin42> Allard: blankscreen at boot is often hardware dependent
[02:11] <Allard> yes but it gets fixed with acpi_osi
[02:11] <penguin42> yeh, broken firmware - how it's broken is hardware dependent
[02:11] <Allard> so it might work if something is done or am I wrong
[02:12] <Allard> firmware of the laptop?
[02:12] <penguin42> yeh
[02:12] <Allard> so the laptop is broken
[02:12] <penguin42> just buggy
[02:12] <penguin42> what model?
[02:12] <Allard> can I fix it somehow
[02:12] <Allard> mm
[02:12] <Allard> Acer Aspire
[02:13] <Allard> I am gonna check the number
[02:13] <Allard> 5732z
[02:13] <Allard> it works well on 5738z
[02:14] <Allard> I am waiting
[02:14] <penguin42> Allard: Report it as a bug, they can do work arounds in the kernel/grub/etc for it
[02:14] <Allard> how do I report it
[02:16] <Allard> are you there
[02:16] <penguin42> use ubuntu-bug
[02:17] <Allard> can you write the whole line
[02:17] <Allard> I am really not that good
[02:17] <penguin42> when exactly is the screen blank?
[02:19] <Allard> it goes black upon start
[02:19] <Allard> I have to click the backlight buttons /Fn+Arrow/
[02:19] <Allard> to light up
[02:19] <Allard> but only after I have edited /etc/default/grub
[02:20] <Allard> otherwise I have to install ubuntu with acpi off
[02:20] <Allard> when the install loads I click SHIFT then select acpi off and it loads
[02:20] <bjsnider> penguin42, readlink appears to be available on solaris and bsd
[02:20] <penguin42> I'd try   ubuntu-bug   linux   I think if it's hitting api
[02:20] <penguin42> c
[02:21] <penguin42> right, it's 2:20am here - bedtime!
[13:24] <zAo^> I had a memory leak of some sort (cannot fork) and restarted the machine. Is there a way to trace the problem?
[13:26] <penguin42> after you restarted? Difficult - if you're lucky there may be something in one of the logs in /var/log
[13:27] <zAo^> penguin42: thanks dmesg.0 doesnt show anything strange
[13:29] <zAo^> penguin42: does this ring any bell to you? Out of memory: Kill process 25762 (display.im6) score 920 or sacrifice child
[13:30] <penguin42> zAo^: I'm not sure what the im6 was - but I'd bet you were displaying a *HUGE* image?
[13:31] <zAo^> I was displaying a 5MB PDF
[13:31] <penguin42> did you zoom right in or something?
[13:32] <zAo^> nope; just displayed the first page
[13:32] <penguin42> huh
[13:38] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[13:38] <penguin42> Hey BK
[13:42] <BluesKaj> ahh, good strong coffee, ..Hi penguin42
[13:43] <penguin42> haha
[14:11] <roasted_> HELLO!
[14:14] <roasted_> Is there any sort of projection on the kernel 13.04 will ship with? Or will that be up in the air until closer to release?
[14:15] <bekks> It will be a 3.8 kernel.
[14:16] <roasted_> I'm curious about the .2, .3, etc.
[14:17] <roasted_> mostly because I ran into a show-stopping bug
[14:18] <penguin42> roasted_: Do you know that's fixed in an upstream kernel?
[14:19] <roasted_> penguin42: the bug report ended with this - Queued for stable, but doesn't look like it made it for 3.8.2.
[14:19] <roasted_> Please include said patch
[14:20] <penguin42> I think generally they tend to follow the current point releases so I'd expect it to land
[14:21] <roasted_> It was just a bummer to have to put 12.04 back on so I can transfer more than 2GB of data. :P
[14:21] <roasted_> I'd hate for 13.04 to land and this be the reason I can't really use it
[14:21] <penguin42> which bug?
[14:22] <roasted_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1132477
[14:23] <penguin42> oh that one, yeh I was watching that
[14:23] <roasted_> penguin42: basically transferring 2GB of data, doesn't matter how, cuases my system to go into a hard lockup, requiring a reboot.
[14:23] <roasted_> samba, rsync/ssh, doesn't matter.
[14:25] <penguin42> yeh, I remember the discussion from yesterday
[14:27] <penguin42> roasted_: I've marked it as triaged anyway, I think that should land fairly soon upstream and bubble down; if it doesn't it's in a good position for someone to take just that patch
[14:29] <roasted_> penguin42: that's good to know.
[14:29] <roasted_> I do find it itneresting that I ran into it on my laptop, but today I'm not seeing it anymore...
[14:29] <roasted_> but my desktop is the big one that does it 100% of the time, hence my interest in the bug.
[14:43] <BluesKaj> roasted_, by what means are youtransferring files , over a network or ?
[14:54] <roasted_> BluesKaj: I have a file server that I keep everything on. This is when I noticed the issue.
[14:54] <roasted_> BluesKaj: some people reported this issue coming up after a certain amount of time... expedited by youtube usage.
[14:54] <roasted_> BluesKaj: leads me to believe it's network-anything related, not just LAN based file transfers with smb/rsync/ssh/etc.
[14:54] <penguin42> roasted_: Yeh that just looks like a network driver screwup
[14:55] <roasted_> penguin42: but it hits more than 1 driver - no? I have wildly different hardware in my desktop vs laptop and I saw it in both places (although my laptop is working today...)
[14:56] <BluesKaj> roasted_, ok , thanks for the info ...my other linuxbox crapped out (mobo) died , so was hoping it wouldn't affect a transfer to an outboard drive on the same pc
[14:57] <BluesKaj> in other words I'm not using ssh atm
[14:57] <roasted_> BluesKaj: I had trouble getting 13.04 to acknowledge my USB drive to even try that. Meanwhile, on 12.04 it worked.
[14:57] <penguin42> roasted_: My reading of the patch someone linked was that it was stuff that used the atl1c driver, so I guess a few different cards do
[14:57] <roasted_> but I didn't give it enough troubleshooting time to figure anymore out about that.
[14:57] <roasted_> penguin42: ah okay. I understand that the atl1c driver can hit different cards... it's just comparing wireless laptop vs wired desktop... I wonder how on earth I saw it happen.
[14:58] <penguin42> roasted_: I don't know enough about the driver to know which stuff uses it
[15:11] <alankila> a question regarding unity. Does it support zeroconf in any way?
[15:11] <alankila> like, generate possible action completions from network services published by other machines?
[15:12] <alankila> for instance, imagine that I have a zeroconf service that declares availability of an anonymous fileshare. What would I have to install to avoid having to type anything yet be able to mount it?
[15:13] <alankila> on OS X, all that stuff appears automatically in Finder, so something like that is what I'm looking for
[15:55] <Ripper003> Trying out raring on my mac but my wireless won't auto connect? I have to go into network manager and tell it to connect to my network
[15:59] <alankila> works for me, but don't know why you would see that behavior.
[16:00] <alankila> I have a broadcom wireless chip on it, bcm43224
[16:00] <Ripper003> alankila: I know it's most odd, the drivers in mpodroid ppa work fine but I think it's a kernel bug
[16:00] <Ripper003> It was fine under quantal and then I installed 3.8 kernel and it started doing it
[16:02] <Ripper003> that's why I installed pre-release 13.04 to see if it was the kernel being used or my settings
[16:04] <alankila> the only thing on the mac that doesn't work for me are the brightness keys. The display brightness becomes unadjustable after the first resume from suspend
[16:04] <Ripper003> ooh...that's interesting...tried to run apt-get reinstall firmware-b43-installer and it says 'unsupported device 14e4:4331'
[16:04] <Ripper003> maybe it's classed as legacy now?
[16:04] <alankila> I am unable to say. I use the "wl" driver for my 43224, and that's all I know.
[16:07] <Ripper003> it clearly is supported...I'm using the wifi right now xD
[16:08] <Ripper003> odd...reckon it's worth filing a bug?
[16:12] <penguin42> Ripper003: If it doesn't work correctly file a bug!
[16:12] <Ripper003> :D
[16:12] <Ripper003> now to actually find where to 'report a bug' seeing as the link to click on launchpad doesn't work
[16:13] <penguin42> Ripper003: Just run ubuntu-bug in a terminal
[16:14] <Ripper003> and specify the package too
[16:21] <Ripper003> penguin42: how do you tell launhpad it also affects 12.10 or does it not matter?
[16:22] <Ripper003> actually nvm, it doesn't affect quantal since the kernel version doesn't ship
[16:24] <penguin42> Ripper003: Just add it as  a comment
[16:24] <penguin42> Ripper003: Once someone tracks down the problem they can mark it also needing a fix in other versions
[16:25] <Ripper003> penguin42: fair enough, it's in the description anyway
[16:34] <d1zzYLuLz> has anybody had issues with their laptops not waking up from suspend in 13.04?
[18:56] <rymate1234> so uh
[18:56] <rymate1234> small problem with 13.04
[18:56] <rymate1234> http://i.imgur.com/W9eXooO.png
[18:56] <rymate1234> hao do I maximise window
[18:57] <rymate1234> nvm fixed
[20:28] <rymate1234> hey
[20:28] <rymate1234> small bug
[20:28] <rymate1234> how do I get pulseaudio to output to a usb soundcard?
[20:28] <rymate1234> running 13.04
[20:29] <rymate1234> it used to work, but it doesn't on 13.04
[20:41] <ivali> Ubuntu 13.04 freezes after 5 mins of idle. *completely freeze*
[20:41] <ivali> How can I debug this?
[20:42] <ivali> even the mouse/clock freezes
[20:44] <IonPainter> Hi, after last dist-upgrade on raring, can't install any 32 bit application i.e. wine, skype, teamviewer. dependencies are broken. how can i fix it? :)
[20:46] <ivali> IonPainter, apt-get install ia32-libs
[20:46] <ari-_-e> does anybody know the people that run this: http://www.pendrivelinux.com/universal-usb-installer-easy-as-1-2-3/ website?
[20:47] <IonPainter> ivali: ia32-libs : Depends: ia32-libs-multiarch E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[20:47] <ari-_-e> the program that it provides has 13.04 as an option
[20:47] <IonPainter> try to install the multiarch oart
[20:47] <IonPainter> gives me 2 pages broken dependencies
[20:48] <IonPainter> http://pastebin.com/FXEfWdhS
[20:49] <ivali> "apt-get update" doesn't fix it?
[20:49] <IonPainter> no
[20:52] <ivali> apt-get update --fix-missing
[20:52] <mandoguit> sudo apt-get install -f
[20:54] <IonPainter> ivali: did just a normal update, nothing unusual
[20:54] <IonPainter> mandoguit: did nothing, 0 to install 0 to remove 0 to upgrade
[20:56] <IonPainter> it just broke after dist-upgrade yesterday :(
[20:56] <mandoguit> IonPainter:   try looking in Synaptics broken filter section to see if it mentions anything maybe then?
[20:57] <mandoguit> IonPainter:   you could also try accessing the grub menu on boot to boot a previous kernel to see if a new kernel update is causing the problem.    hold down the shift key while booting to bring up the grub menu
[21:00] <IonPainter> mandoguit: 0 broken pakages
[21:01] <IonPainter> mandoguit: i do not think this is kernel issue
[21:02] <IonPainter> how can i find out whick package broke?
[21:03] <yofel> you could try to use aptitude to install it, that usually has more meaningful error messages
[21:15] <IonPainter> fixed it
[21:15] <ivali> how?
[21:15] <IonPainter> hat to downgrade libx11-xcb and libx11-6
[21:15] <IonPainter> had
[21:15] <IonPainter> from proposed to raring
[21:19] <IonPainter> thanks for the help bye
[21:56]  * alex_mayorga did "sudo do-release-upgrade -d"
[21:56] <alex_mayorga> I hope bug 551668 would be fixed in raring =)
[22:04] <smallfoot-> where is all the transparency?
[22:04] <smallfoot-> i see no release notes
[22:05] <jtaylor> release notes for what?
[22:06] <alex_mayorga> smallfoot-: I believe there are no release notes until the 1st beta
[22:07] <arand> smallfoot-: the transparency is in "apt-get changelog" ;)
[22:07] <smallfoot-> hmm
[22:07] <smallfoot-> raring even have betas?
[22:08] <smallfoot-> quantal and earlier has release notes for alphas
[22:08] <smallfoot-> raring feels more closed and less transparent
[22:26] <alex_mayorga> smallfoot-: I think this explains https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2012-December/000998.html
[22:30] <smallfoot-> alex_mayorga, that post is not very informative, doesn't mention much of whats new, i think ubuntu is losing transparency
[22:30] <rymate1234> uh
[22:30] <rymate1234> http://i.imgur.com/YcTOm9A.png
[22:31] <rymate1234> good job firefox
[22:43] <smallfoot-> xkcd :D
[23:22] <end_guy> Is Skype still availible on 13.04?
[23:25] <PaulW2U> end_guy: yes, it's in the partner repository