[00:41] <sebsebseb> Anyone about still?
[00:43] <penguin42> maybe
[00:44] <popey> yes
[00:44] <popey> :D
[00:45] <popey> what brings you here sebsebseb ?
[00:54] <sebsebseb> popey: bored earlier so joiend some channels, had to turn off computer, came back here
[00:55] <popey> ☺
[00:55]  * penguin42 has been watching videos from linux.conf.au and afew others
[01:14] <sebsebseb> popey: we don't need pm now :d
[01:14] <sebsebseb> popey: ok that's awesome if it's going rolling release
[01:15] <popey> it's under discussion
[01:15] <popey> but likely to happen
[01:15] <popey> can't see it not happening
[01:15] <sebsebseb> release schedules can cause such issues at itmes, when it comes to having certain things, as I know even more now as well since Mageia
[01:16] <penguin42> I guess many of us on home machines have treated it as a rolling anyway; as soon as the next version starts to arrive I start running it
[01:19] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yeah I used to do stuff like that to
[01:19] <sebsebseb> not run the final stable version for long, because I would be off using the alpah 1 of the next
[01:19]  * tashs is bored
[01:21] <penguin42> but for my work machine I previously used LTS (although currently on Quantal); not quite sure what I'll do if that moves to a rolling, I don't really want rolling for my work machine
[01:23] <sebsebseb> penguin42: I thought the idea was the LTS every two years
[01:23] <sebsebseb> and instead of versions in between a rolling
[01:24] <sebsebseb> penguin42: of course LTS's start get old as well after six months or so I guess :d
[01:25] <penguin42> sebsebseb: Yeh, I ran with 10.04 for a good 2 years on my work machine; I can't really justify screwing around with it too much
[01:26] <sebsebseb> penguin42: are you still running that now?
[01:26] <penguin42> sebsebseb: No, when I got a new laptop a couple of months ago I put Quantal on it; probably a mistake, I should have gone with Precise
[01:26] <sebsebseb> oh
[01:26] <penguin42> just on the basis I'm going to have to upgrade it again in a few months to keep upto date
[01:28] <penguin42> it's a bit of a fight getting everything to work by the time I've got dual monitor to work on Nouveau with adding/removing the monitor, and the magic of getting some of our internal programs to work
[02:22] <Klettbar> hi
[02:22] <Klettbar> > why in life we can not trust anyone?
[02:22] <Klettbar>  why is everyone ready to x..x the other
[02:29] <popey> wut?
[02:31] <sebsebseb> aww I can't trust you Klettbar  or  popey  or anyone here, maybe not even myself aww heh heh
[02:31] <popey> wut?
[02:31] <sebsebseb> well I did put anyone here, so I guess that includes me then to heh heh
[02:32] <sebsebseb> popey: don't know trying to make a joke out of whatever that was :d
[04:13] <RZAFC> Anyone know what this means? SYSLINUX 4.06  EDD 4.06-pre-7 Copyright (C) 1994-2010 H. Peter Anvin et al
[09:08] <redtape-AFK> Good Moaning.. whoops change  o'nick needed too !
[09:12] <AlanChicken> and mee
[09:20] <MrBojangles> AlanBell, my old friend.
[09:26] <redtape-renegade> Anything good on R4 atmo . ? on any other beeb radio channel ??
[09:27] <redtape-renegade> **or on any ..
[09:50] <einonm> I'm playing about on a nexus 7 with 13.04 desktop, since I've taken the effort to get multi boot working... It's not particularly stable, is 13.04 desktop on a touch screen device actually a Thing that anyone else is bothering to play with?
[10:27] <AlanBell> einonm: I think they were mainly using it for performance testing
[10:27] <AlanBell> the touch stuff is all QML with flingables
[10:29] <einonm> AlanBell: ok, thanks. I did assume unity would be a bit too hungry for a tablet...
[10:30] <AlanBell> well I am not sure it is really
[10:30] <AlanBell> the nice thing about compiz is the GPU does it all
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> \o/ gpu
[10:30] <AlanBell> the dash is only slow because it is blocking on slow scopes searching for things
[10:31]  * MartijnVdS remembers the first UDS where compiz was "a thing"
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> when wobbly windows on a cube desktop were the coolest thing ever ;)
[10:31] <AlanBell> tablets and ARM things like the raspberry pi have fairly good GPU capability
[10:31] <AlanBell> wobbly windows on a cube still is the best thing evar
[10:32]  * AlanBell is sad that we turn off all the cool stuff
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: I want a sound effect with the wobbling though
[10:32] <AlanBell> I want my 3d desktop I was promised in Jurassic Park
[10:32] <dwatkins> great, my network driver seems to be making my PC reboot after all
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> AlanBell: A UNIX system? You know that!
[10:40]  * einonm is currently turning off all the 'cool stuff'... I'm learning to use Awesome with a tmux setup. Got irssi, elinks, mutt and vim all set up this morning
[10:40] <kvarley> Can anybody think of an open news apI? Bing search doesn't qualify, google's news api is depreciated.
[10:42] <einonm> kvarley: BBC news?
[10:42] <kvarley> einonm: Do they have an API/
[10:43] <kvarley> einonm: All the documentation I find is old. The best I can do with BBC News is get the RSS feed
[10:43] <einonm> I just remember seeing some custom displays showing BBC news things - http://www.bbc.co.uk/developer/technology/apis.html from a quick google, no news listed tho
[10:44] <einonm> probably RSS based, thinking about it
[10:44] <kvarley> Yeah, I'd seen this
[10:44] <kvarley> Might just write a scraper to get the RSS feed, translate to JSON and go from there
[11:05] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:08] <popey>  morning
[11:09] <brobostigon> morning his-popeyness
[11:09] <kvarley> einonm: Discovered the Guardian have a semi-decent API. :)
[11:14] <einonm> kvarley: should have guessed, free API's sound like something the Guardian would be into
[11:17] <MartijnVdS> they're into it a LOT
[11:47] <Azelphur> Serious Sam 3 is on special offer today, only £6, I picked it up (steam, native)
[11:49]  * dwatkins thanks for Debian bug contributors and installs the Realtek r8168 module
[11:49] <dwatkins> So far no crash, looks like my machine mis-identified the card and installed the wrong driver for the r8168, using the r8169
[11:51] <dwatkins> Should I log a bug? Looks like this is happening in other distros too.
[11:52] <dwatkins> full details here http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=80757#p469071
[11:57] <dwatkins> aha bug 839393 seems to address this
[14:10] <penguin42> hmph
[14:11] <popey> getting annoyed with GPU lockups now
[14:14] <penguin42> which gpu?
[14:25] <popey> sandybridge
[14:32] <penguin42> hmm there don't seem to be any face rec programs in the repos, and all the ones I can find on line seem to use opencv which kind of sucks for the free drivers
[14:32] <penguin42> oh hang on, no it doesn't
[14:32] <penguin42> I'm confusing opencl and opencv
[14:38] <mgdm> opencv is excellent
[14:41] <penguin42> not played with it yet
[14:57] <sebsebseb> Afernoon people
[14:57]  * penguin42 is an afternoon person - mornings are terrible
[14:58] <sebsebseb> penguin42: yeah I am not much of a morning person these days either, well unless I been up all night :D heh heh
[14:58] <sebsebseb> penguin42: ,but my sleeping isn't that bad at the moment so :d
[15:07] <penguin42> mgdm: I just had this idea of running face recognition over my browsers webcache
[15:17] <Darael> penguin42: That sounds like a terrible and wonderful idea.
[15:17] <penguin42> Darael: Exactly!
[15:18] <penguin42> Darael: What could possibly go wrong?
[15:18] <Darael> penguin42: Before thou saidst that, very little.  Now that thou *hast*...
[15:18] <Darael> Oh, dear.
[15:18] <penguin42> Darael: It's ok, Person-of-interest is on tonight
[15:18] <Darael> If anyone remembers when I was musing over Compiz providing both multiple desktops and multiple workspaces, I have at least worked out a way to switch desktops.  xdotool is a Useful Thing.
[15:19] <Darael> penguin42: ?
[15:19] <penguin42> Darael: oh, cop like program based around the idea of an all knowing machine that tracks everyones movements from cameras/communication etc
[15:20] <BigRedS> mutliple workspaces and multiple desktops? I'm going to have to ask what you mean by either :)
[15:21] <Darael> Workspaces are the Compiz version of what we often refer to as virtual desktops.  Desktops are essentially the same thing, but seperate, and they're what Metacity used (for example).  Compiz actually supports both, and allows one to configure the *number* of each, but provides no way to configure keyboard shortcuts (or any mechanism at all) for *switching* the latter.
[15:22] <Darael> Unhelpfully, both the GNOME config tools and CCSM have historically referred to their variant as "viewports", as well.
[15:22] <Darael> (workspaces go within desktops, if it helps)
[15:23] <Darael> I am given to understand the distinction dates back to fvwm.
[15:23] <BigRedS> oh lordy. This is all hiliariously more complex than I thought possible
[15:23] <penguin42> Darael: I think you're saying one of those terms means a single large surface
[15:24] <BigRedS> there's good reason I go nowhere near anything technical in the gui
[15:25] <Darael> penguin42: Um... not exactly, because Metacity (for example) traditionally treated desktops as a large surface, but Compiz did the same thing with workspaces.
[15:25] <Darael> Furthermore, one can name desktops but not workspaces...
[15:25] <penguin42> Darael: OK; so erm picking any one set of terminology; why do you want both ?
[15:26] <Darael> Because Reasons?
[15:26] <Darael> More seriously, a combination of because I can and because I want to know *why* Compiz supports desktops, but only partially.
[15:26] <penguin42> oh right, obviosuly...
[15:28] <penguin42> Darael: KDE also has two concepts of virutal desktops; but I don't think either end up as a single large surface these days
[15:29] <Darael> I find what looks like an unfinished implementation fascinating.
[15:30] <penguin42> Darael: It's one of those things which you wonder whether it's something that's still being worked on or a dead end
[15:30] <Darael> Quite.  Although it's been that way for several years, now...
[15:32] <Darael> I suppose it could be something to do with application segregation when using multiple monitors?
[15:44] <penguin42> hmm, I wonder if our OpenCV is packaged wrong - but I don't know enough about it - I build libface and it's looking in usr/share/OpenCV for something, we have an /usr/share/OpenCV but most stuff is actually in /usr/share/opencv
[16:24] <sebsebseb>  
[17:34] <directhex> where are WEP keys stored in quantal?
[18:08] <einonm_> directhex: I think they used to be stored in gnome-keyring?
[18:13] <Darael> einonm_, directhex:  Ones available to all users are somewhere in /etc/NetworkManager, IIRC.  User-specific ones were in gnome-keyring the last I checked, but that was a couple of releases ago.
[18:18] <directhex> einonm_, WPA keys are
[18:20] <einonm_> directhex: It's probably easier these days just to crack a WPA key than hunt for the file...
[18:21] <Darael> einonm_: s/WPA/WEP/, surely?  WPA isn't *quite* that easy to break yet.  Especially with non-dictionary keys.
[18:57] <moreati> I've seen similar spam emails from 3 different yahoo email accounts in the last couple of days, which seems a large coincidence
[18:57] <moreati> but I haven't seen coverage to suggest a wider hack/compromise. Anyone heard anything?
[18:57] <penguin42> moreati: You can never tell where email has come from
[18:59] <moreati> penguin42: they came from addresses of people I know, and included other's that the sender knows. Whatever sent them had access to the address book of the sending account
[19:36] <popey> saw this and thought of gord http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ctigYpQSTU
[19:37] <Darael> Only in Japan.
[19:42] <penguin42> Darael: I've got to say that's one of the least-weird things I've seen come out of japan
[19:42]  * penguin42 is more surprised by how long they seem to be cooking the eggs for
[19:43] <Darael> penguin42: 'tis true.  There's been some *very* odd things out of Japan.
[19:43] <moreati> They were probably metric minutes
[19:44] <penguin42> that would be even longer!
[19:44] <popey> they were quite long minutes, I agree
[19:48] <penguin42> but if you add all up it was about 25mins - they'd be like rocks by then
[19:49] <penguin42> Darael: What I expect to see Japan producing is chickens bred to lay eggs in those shapes
[19:49] <AlanBell> like bonsai kittens?
[19:50] <Darael> penguin42: Biologically a PITA :P  Especially since the air-bubble will be in an unpredictable location at boiling time.
[19:50] <penguin42> AlanBell: Exactly!
[19:50] <Darael> (Yes, boring of me, I know)
[19:50] <moreati> penguin42: I think the second dunking was in cold water
[19:50] <penguin42> AlanBell: We don't see enough Bonsai kittens these days - heck there are generations of internet users now who've never even seen a bonsai kitten
[19:51] <penguin42> Darael: If you think it'd be a PITA just think of the chickens
[19:51] <Darael> penguin42: I meant for the chickens!
[23:02] <sebsebseb> 1 2 3 not much going on here
[23:02] <popey> ☺
[23:02] <popey> evening sebsebseb
[23:03] <sebsebseb> popey: yeah evening
[23:04]  * zleap is here
[23:04] <zleap> just listening to ubuntu podcast
[23:06] <sebsebseb> zleap: shhh don't tell popey what I just told,  how I don't tend to listen to it,  oh now he know hmm heh heh :d
[23:06] <zleap> lol
[23:07]  * popey shrugs
[23:07] <zleap> i am just putting the ubuntu full circle magazne on my external hdd
[23:07] <zleap> need to copy to a cd later for the computer group
[23:07] <popey> ~6000 people have listened to the latest episode
[23:07] <zleap> wow
[23:07] <sebsebseb> zleap: hmm I think I downloaded that once or twice
[23:07] <popey> well, have downloaded ☺
[23:07] <zleap> that is cool
[23:07] <popey> can't tell if they've listened
[23:07] <sebsebseb> PC Linux OS also has a magazine that's good, PDF, but again only downloade that like once or twice I think
[23:07] <popey> yeah, we get around 10K listeners per episode
[23:07] <zleap> i subscribe
[23:08] <sebsebseb> popey: I was there for your 100th episode Live I think it was
[23:08] <popey> heh
[23:08] <sebsebseb> popey: didn't know LInux Outlaws was on at same time though at the time, but ah well, and again for that one, only heard it properly like once maybe twice, and a bit of eisodes or whatever it was
[23:08] <sebsebseb> I find it hard to listen to podcasts in general
[23:08] <sebsebseb> since I would rather listen to music :d
[23:08] <sebsebseb> and they are so time consuming
[23:08] <popey> its not on the same time
[23:09] <popey> they record on monday, we recorded on tuesday last season, wednesday this season
[23:09] <popey> i listen to more podcasts than music
[23:09] <zleap> oddly on lubuntu i find k3b more relaiable than brassero whicjh is defalt for burning cds
[23:09] <popey> i dont think I've had a cd burn fail for years
[23:10] <sebsebseb> popey: zleap also with a podcast, espeically if the discussion isn't that interesting,  it's easy to end up being distracted by IRC or IM or whatever
[23:10] <sebsebseb> and then it's like uhmm
[23:10] <sebsebseb> what are they talking about?
[23:10] <sebsebseb> oh better go back, since dind't take stuff in properly
[23:11] <popey> depending on the podcast really
[23:11] <sebsebseb> zleap: that's not odd at all, same repos as normal Ubuntu
[23:11] <popey> for bbc comedy, i listen as I am cooking dinner on a friday night
[23:11] <sebsebseb> yeah or you do something away from computer, whilst listening for example yeah
[23:12] <sebsebseb> zleap: I like Brasero, but in general yeah it seems it can go wrong at times, and so realy K3B is better,  I like K3B to :)
[23:12] <sebsebseb> tend to burn stuff with Brasero recently, but it was more so K3B in the past
[23:14] <zleap> brassero doesn't work properly on my old desktop
[23:17] <popey> what happens?
[23:17]  * popey goes to make cheese on toast, brb
[23:39] <zleap> popey, it seems to hang for ages and the status bar just goes back and forth
[23:39] <zleap> i have just removed banshee
[23:43]  * popey boggles
[23:44] <AlanBell> huh, I appear to have removed skype
[23:45] <AlanBell> oh, thats why apt-get autoremove got rid of a load of cruft, it took skype out
[23:48] <AlanBell> and it is uninstallable on raring
[23:53] <popey> is it?
[23:54] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5583787/
[23:54] <popey> installs here
[23:57] <AlanBell> where did you get skype_4.1.0.20.0-0ubuntu0.12.04.2_amd64.deb from?
[23:57] <AlanBell> the multiarch thing from skype.com wants to install most of a 32bit operating system which apt-get autoremove trimmed out last week
[23:59] <AlanBell> hmm, partner repo
[23:59] <AlanBell> so that one, depends on skype-bin