/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/03/#ubuntu-za.txt

Kilosmorning superfly  and others06:50
Kiloshi grantw 07:35
grantwhi07:36
Kiloshaha Wraz you are upside down i see09:03
Kiloshi Tonberry theblazehen 12:02
KilosMezenir,12:03
theblazehenhi kilos12:03
charl_good afternoon12:55
charl_Maaz: coffee on12:55
* Maaz washes some mugs12:55
Kiloshi charl_ 12:55
KilosMaaz, coffee please12:55
charl_hi Kilos 12:55
MaazKilos: Alrighty12:55
charl_how's it going12:55
theblazehenhi charl_ 12:55
Kilosok ty and you12:56
charl_good good12:56
charl_how did the jam go yesterday in cape town?12:56
charl_hi theblazehen 12:56
Kilos? they didnt say much last night12:57
charl_ah i see12:57
charl_did any of you guys check out firefox os yet?12:57
Kilostumbleweed, feedback on the jam?12:57
Kilosnope12:57
charl_just saw a review of it (in dutch) http://tweakers.net/video/7324/firefox-os.html12:57
charl_i love that it is based around html not mobile "apps" but it looks quite disappointing overall12:58
theblazehencharl_, want to some time, big download though12:58
charl_it's great that they are aiming at low end devices but it's a pity they don't offer more for high end devices12:58
charl_it means they might make a dent in low-end markets but high end markets will be left "behind" in that respect12:59
MaazCoffee's ready for charl_ and Kilos!12:59
charl_Maaz: thanks12:59
Maazcharl_: No problem12:59
KilosMaaz, ty12:59
MaazYou are welcome Kilos12:59
theblazehenwhat do you mean by don't offer more for highend devices12:59
Kilossuerly highend things can use lowend stuff?13:00
Kilosbut not vice versa13:00
Kilossurely13:00
charl_in the review i just saw they were using a really low end phone and the interface looks really poorly rounded off13:00
theblazehenthe s2?13:00
charl_it will obviously run better on a high end phone but why demo it on a low end phone then13:00
theblazehenthat was their dev phone13:00
charl_and then it still looks really poorly rounded off13:00
charl_not sure13:01
charl_they could surely offer everything but only enable more effects on high-end phones13:01
theblazehenyea13:01
charl_and then obviously, always demo on a high end phone ;)13:02
Kilosi dont even browse with firefox13:02
theblazehenKilos, what do you use? chrominum?13:02
Kiloshate stuff that gets upgraded every 2 weeks13:02
Kilosopera13:02
charl_<-- chromium fan here13:02
charl_i heard opera is moving to webkit?13:03
theblazehenKilos, used to use it but somethimes rendering messed up13:03
charl_good choice i think but then why use opera in the first place13:03
Kilosi like opera13:03
tumbleweedKilos: sure, we had fun13:03
Kiloshuh?13:03
Kiloslol thats a lot of feedback13:03
charl_that doesn't say much :)13:03
charl_i have fun too when i go have a beer with friends :)13:04
charl_not productive though13:04
Kilostumbleweed, dont forget to have something for neil to put in the goodies he does13:04
Kilosreports or something13:04
Kilosnot just we had fun13:05
tumbleweedKilos: ah, sure13:05
Kilosty13:05
charl_now many bugs were solved etc13:06
Kiloswill count towards our next reapproval i think13:06
Kilosmethinks mage will give us info looking at it from his pov charl_ 13:08
charl_:)13:09
Kiloswas his first jam i think13:09
charl_sounds good, i have never been to one of those13:09
charl_but i'm not really an ubuntu developer so not sure what i could do in any case13:09
Kiloslearn man13:10
Kilosmage isnt either13:10
charl_i don't get away with any excuses here i see :)13:10
charl_that's a good thing :)13:10
Kilossee how other guys do things13:10
charl_yeah i need to learn about how to make packages etc13:11
Kilosim the only one that gets away with anything here because if they ban me they need a greeter bot13:11
charl_:D13:11
Kiloshehe13:11
charl_we love you Kilos you are an essential part of this channel!13:12
Kilosaw ty13:12
magespawnhowdy all13:13
charl_hi magespawn 13:13
Kilosyo magespawn 13:14
Kilosgive us some feedback on the jam13:14
magespawni did not go Kilos, bit far to travel just for one day13:15
Kilosoh and that stupid thing doesnt install unless you can wget it their way13:15
Kilosbut found a work around13:15
theblazehenwhich stupid thing?13:15
Kilosoh i thought you watched online magespawn 13:15
Kilossakis3g13:15
magespawnyou mean the sakis3g13:15
magespawni just followed along with the links that tumbleweed posted here thats all13:16
Kilosjust by chance i extracted it and right clicked on the extraction and chose run in terminal and here i am13:16
Kilosstill cant see modem with unity and kde so both running sakis now13:17
Kilosactually saw a site that said the 12.04 network-manager is the worst tool in 12.0413:17
Kilosi tried to find conman but no luck so far13:18
magespawnthey are talking about the gui nm, i think13:18
theblazehen3g modem?13:18
Kilosyes and the conflict thing13:19
Kilosyip theblazehen 13:19
Kilosforeign one13:19
theblazehenok13:19
Kilosim not sure if its modeswitch or where the prob actually is13:20
Kiloslsusb shows its here but in storage mode13:20
magespawnwhich modem do you have?13:20
Kiloshmm its an alcatel 13:21
Kilostct13:21
Kilossuadi13:21
Kilossaudi13:21
Kilosforget what model now13:21
Kilosthe thing is it has worked with 12.04 when i plug it in at different stages but now it dont wanna any more13:22
magespawnmaybe the modem itself is failing13:23
Kilosmusta tried 8 or more installs yesterday13:23
Kilosit worked on 11.10 and 12.10 yesterday13:24
magespawnhere is a link to info about conman in launchpad https://launchpad.net/connman13:24
Kilosits only 12.04 where it doesnt13:24
Kilosty i go see13:24
magespawnthen why not stay on 12.1013:24
magespawn?13:24
Kilosit boots to blanck screen13:25
Kilosblank13:25
Kilostried 3 times13:25
Kiloshehe13:25
charl_haha i love that name, conman13:25
charl_or connman then13:25
Kilosat least with kde one can alt+shift+f12 when nothing shows13:26
Kilosand you cant ctrl+alt+f2 to cli because no nm there13:27
Kiloswanted to install gdm and see if that helped13:27
charl_reading https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/partners/ now but it's really weird13:28
charl_"Create your own unique branded sections of Firefox for Android and Firefox Marketplace for a more engaging user experience and to increase the visibility of your brand."13:28
Kilosoh magespawn it isnt downloadable yet?13:29
magespawni think there is source code, not sure13:29
charl_they seem to be going full-out commercial with this on the one side... i was hoping for a more open package management approach like ubuntu/debian13:30
magespawncharl_ i think they want the manufacturers to customise the user experience13:30
charl_yeah it's exactly all the stuff i _don't_ want to hear13:31
magespawncommercial firefox os?13:31
charl_i'm becoming very disappointed with firefox os13:31
* magespawn goes to read13:31
charl_i was hoping it was going to be the change we were all waiting for13:31
charl_but it seems to be yet another iteration on the ios/android/etc deal13:31
charl_just on a different technology stack13:31
magespawnit does seem open though, or am i missing something13:33
charl_well it depends on how you define "open"13:34
charl_i am looking for a mobile phone operating system that just has a package repositort13:34
charl_*repository13:34
charl_not a "marketplace"13:34
magespawnahh right13:34
magespawnmeego/memeo13:34
charl_and something that is interoperable, just like any repository sources you can add13:35
charl_not a "branded" thing by some mobile provider13:35
charl_maybe it isn't so bad but it sounds like they are going in the wrong direction13:35
magespawntime will tell13:35
charl_yeah maybe we just need to wait and see13:35
charl_but so far i don't like what i'm seeing13:35
charl_or reading i mean13:36
theblazehenwhat about tizen os?13:36
magespawnthe marketplace idea is popular at the moment, it is what most people understand13:36
charl_well you can call it what you want, but as long as it's based on a package management system similar to apt i'm happy13:37
magespawnbbl going to water some plants13:37
charl_you can wrap any terminology and user interface around it13:37
Kiloslol13:38
magespawni must say i did try to apt-get on a win machine the other day13:38
magespawnbbl13:38
charl_theblazehen: i think tizen sounds more promising13:39
charl_i like that it is backed by the linux foundation13:39
theblazehenalso based on maemo/meego right?13:39
charl_not sure13:39
charl_but it doesn't matter, as long as their philosophy is right13:39
theblazehenyea.13:40
charl_good techology starts with the right philosophy because then you make the right design decisions13:40
charl_start wrong and you will end wrong13:40
theblazehenI agree13:40
charl_we have too many mobile operating systems as it is, some standardisation would be nice, but it needs to be fully open from the ground up13:40
theblazehenHTML5 applications run on Tizen, Firefox OS, WebOS and BlackBerry 10 under a browser runtime with offline capabilities..... Android applications can run on Tizen devices with OpenMobile's Application Compatibility Layer (ACL).[7] ..... Applications based on Qt, GTK+ and EFL frameworks can run on Tizen IVI.[8] While there is no official support for these third-party frameworks, according to the explanation on the Tizen SDK web13:41
theblazehen site[5] Tizen applications for mobile devices can be developed without relying on an official Tizen IDE as long as the application complies with Tizen packaging rules.13:41
charl_i thought mozilla was going to provide us with that but i am very worried atm13:41
charl_tizon sounds good though, much more of what i had in mind13:42
theblazehencharl_, I believe mobile devices need something like X and then you can run the binaries directly. Kinda like desktop linux but with a different DE and apps13:42
theblazehenyea, just waiting for a port :D13:42
charl_yes i agree13:42
charl_well you need all the necessary drivers obviously13:43
theblazehenTizen 2 has a complicated licensing model. Its SDK is built on top of open source components[7] but the entire SDK has been published under a non-open-source Samsung licence[813:43
charl_and then you need a desktop environment that is aimed at touch interfaces13:43
theblazehenYea13:43
charl_that's not cool13:43
charl_there we go again13:44
theblazehenYea, but many have been developed, just need to port them maybe13:44
theblazehenFOSS port of tizen perhaps13:44
charl_well you have android minus the proprietary components as well13:44
charl_i dunno13:44
theblazehenI guess13:45
charl_sorry maybe it was just my expectations again :)13:45
charl_disappointing though, we need someone to champion the cause13:45
theblazehenAll I want is something similar to maemo, and dont worry i also have high expectations13:45
charl_i thought that was going to be mozilla but oh well13:45
theblazehenWhat is stopping people making an entirely free os, perhaps with just android kernel and driver?13:46
theblazehendrivers*13:46
charl_all we need to do this do the same for mobile phones as we did for desktops with desktop linux13:46
charl_yeah good question13:46
theblazehenYea. Pity i don't know much c. Otherwise I would start a project on github now :D13:47
charl_same here, i don't even use a mobile phone at the moment, and i'm the one complaining :D13:47
charl_i would though, if i could find the right solution13:47
theblazehenHaha, Bet you will buy one when the right OS comes out.13:48
theblazehenWhat are your opininos on ubuntu touch?13:48
charl_but hardware is mostly manufactured in china in any case, what you need is decide on a certain set of components and make sure you have the drivers13:48
charl_then you can build a platform fairly quickly, it's mostly about making use of existing components and add the missing ones13:49
charl_the only "missing" ones would be applications that can run on a small screen size13:49
charl_or better touch interface integration13:49
theblazehenOr have something similar to AOSP where you have the generic code, just add the kernel and drivers13:49
charl_the rest we all have already13:49
charl_but re ubuntu touch, i think it looks very promising13:49
charl_i am more enthusiastic about that at the moment13:50
theblazehenI believe there are programs that will allow running android applications on pc, Something similar is coming out to windows 813:50
theblazehenYea, just waiting for a port to the s2 and then I will download it13:50
charl_yeah it's interesting because believe it or not i would want to run some android applications on my laptop13:50
charl_there are simulators and virtual machines for it though13:50
charl_i tried out some virtual machine a while ago and it worked perfectly except i couldn't get any networking13:51
charl_i'm sure i could get it to work with some more time spent though13:51
charl_but back to ubuntu touch, i am really optimistic, the demos i have seen so far looks good13:51
charl_i like the gestures13:51
charl_and it looks really well rounded off compared to firefox os13:51
charl_it might not run that well on low end phones but for high end phones i am seriously going to consider it13:52
charl_that looks like the all-round best option atm13:52
charl_what do you think?13:53
Kiloshi grififn 13:54
charl_hi grififn 13:54
grififnHi Kilos. Can you help? I updated my Nvidia drivers to 310 to try and run Steam and Im back to a blank screen after restart...13:55
Kilosstill no xchat installed13:55
Kilosoh my13:55
grififnUbuntu....broken...13:55
Kilosnope just graphics13:55
Kilostry ctrl+alt+f13:56
Kilosif you get the command line13:56
Kilosunistall it13:56
Kilosuninstall13:56
Kilossorry ctrl+alt+f213:56
grififnI tried to purge the nvidia drivers but no luck13:57
Kilosand apt-get remove?13:57
Kilosmaybe it is a broken package13:58
grififnrunning....13:58
Kilosok then when you boot try recovery mode at the grub menu if it doesnt boot cleanly13:59
grififnAnyways while we wait. Who was the rest of everone's weekends?14:00
grififn*how14:00
Kiloshectic ty14:00
Kiloshehe14:00
Kilosif the prop driver dont work you can try install nvidia-current14:01
Kilosaw net splits14:01
Kilosdidnt steam work with nouveau drivers that install as default?14:02
grififnKilos: I would not have changed from the working driver but Stream requires the new driver to run so I took a gamble14:02
Kilosthen go with installing nvidia-current14:03
Kilosits in the repos14:03
Kilosso no external stuff14:03
Kilosalso tonight you can get pro help when the guys get online14:03
Kilossomeone here will have a fix14:04
grififnMabe this is just the computers way of telling me to work and not play. Haha14:05
Kiloshahaha14:05
Kilosthere might be some issues somewhere, we can hear from the guys that use steam later14:06
Kilossunday avy nap time14:06
grififnO how some sleep would be apreciated14:07
griffin_Sorry name change. Just relized I made some erros in my nic14:09
Kilosah came back with right spelling too14:09
Kiloshehe14:09
Kilosother spelling was hard to pronounce14:10
griffin_Your telling me. Dam difference in keyboards. Don't know if anyone else has the same problem but the difference in size, shape and location of keys on different keyboards makes it hard type some times14:11
Kilosyeah14:11
Kiloswb theblazehen 14:12
theblazehenthx. Fscking ping timeout14:13
griffin_Ok back up and running14:13
Kilosyay thats good griffin_ 14:13
Kilosyou can install nvidia-current safely methinks14:13
griffin_Just completed thats why I'm back on xchat 14:14
Kilosnormally better than the default drivers14:14
Kilosoh thats good14:14
Kilosnow you can try steam again14:15
Kiloshehe14:15
Kilostheblazehen, net isnt stable14:15
theblazehenyea.14:16
Kilosthe pro rarely goes offline14:16
Kilosnow he gotta tail14:16
griffin_Problem is the current drivers are like 295.xx something and I need at least 304.22. Problem is if I install it my HDMI screen goes fuzzy14:16
theblazehenBusy downloading ubuntu touch :D14:16
theblazehen1% done downloading... Can't wait14:16
Kiloslol14:17
griffin_What are you going to install it on?14:17
theblazehengalaxy s214:17
Kilosask the brainy guys tonight griffin_ 14:17
griffin_Please let me know how it works because I cant wait for the Ubuntu phone's to arrive14:18
theblazehenno probs. Unfortunately only 1 core works and no hardware acceleration14:18
griffin_I will go out and BUY a S2 if it runs properly14:18
theblazehenhttp://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2165568&page=114:18
theblazehenbuy a nexus. Official images available14:19
theblazehen8 hours till download complete...14:19
griffin_I understand we can only use it on the Nexus 3 because the 4 will not be sold in SA14:19
theblazehenIt works on the galaxy nexus. Not sure about the latest versions of the nexus14:20
Kilosouch14:20
theblazehenKilos, why?14:21
Kilos8 hours14:21
griffin_Wonder if we will get blank screens on phones after installing graphics as well......14:21
Kiloshehe14:21
Kiloslike me upgrading on gprs a while ago14:21
theblazehenKilos, Yeah, from the ubuntu site - 480 MB - 10 KB/S14:21
Kiloswow thats very bad14:21
theblazehengriffin_, That sucks - did you break your desktop ;)14:22
Kilosmust be many peeps wtih the same idea14:22
Kiloswith14:22
theblazehenit's from cdimage.ubuntu.com i think14:22
theblazehenyep14:22
griffin_theblazehen: Trying to get my steam to work and it required the latest nvidia drivers that caused a blank screen again. But with help from Kilos I'm up and running14:23
theblazehenHow did you fix it with a blank screen? chroot from another pc?14:23
Kilosnvidia really need to do some work on their drivers14:24
griffin_See everyone in a bit. Restarting with alternate drivers to see if I can get Steam working14:24
Kilosctrl+alt+f214:24
theblazehenbye. ood luck14:24
theblazehenKilos, ah. 14:24
Kilosthen you can remove what you installed14:24
theblazehenUsed that often getting my PowerVR card working14:24
theblazehenKilos, yea.14:24
Kilosonly prob is you can get it to connect with nm14:25
Kiloscant14:25
Kilos3g that is14:25
theblazehenever try using pppd directly?14:25
Kilosnope i tried gnome-ppp today without luck too14:26
Kilosdont see the modem at all14:26
theblazehenthat sucks...14:26
Kilosyeah14:26
Kilosso far its only been a prob on 12.0414:26
theblazehenAnd connman could pick it up on other versions?14:26
Kilosoh and 9.10 that needed usb-modeswitch installed first14:27
theblazehenok14:27
Kilosyay griffin_ 14:27
theblazehengimme a sec14:27
griffin_Ok but now its back to a fuzzy HDMi output again. GRRRR!14:28
Kilosaw14:28
theblazehenhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/USB_3G_Modem#Mode_switching may be relevant14:28
Kiloslol you sure thats a nvidia card14:29
Kilosty theblazehen 14:29
theblazehennp14:29
Kilosoh i looked there14:31
Kiloseven reinstall everything usb14:31
theblazehenDidn't work?14:31
theblazehenis there a /dev/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyACM0 or similar?14:31
Kilosya /dev/tty usb214:32
theblazehenscreen /dev/ttyUSB2 960014:32
theblazehenthen try some AT modem commands14:32
Kiloswhats the pacman thing14:34
theblazehenjust pacmage manager for arch14:34
Kilosoh14:34
theblazehenjust try and substitute pacman -S with apt-get install14:34
theblazehenelse google package name14:34
theblazehengriffin_, hows it working?14:35
Kilosweird things happen here. it has worked when plugin in at end of install then connecting  and removing modem then rebooting and plugin in again14:35
Kilosalso a few times only plugin in after first reboot14:36
theblazehenstrange?14:36
Kilosbut never the same14:36
Kilosyeah weird14:36
Kilosthats why i can do clean installs up to 8 times to get it working14:36
Kilosbut not this time14:36
theblazehencan you run AT modem commands on /dev/ttyUSB2 ?14:37
Kilosi wish i could remove the storage part off the modem permanently14:37
Kilosi dunno14:37
theblazehenyea14:37
theblazehenDoes it have a pin?14:38
Kilosnope14:38
theblazehenok run the screen command and then type AT&V and enter14:38
theblazehenshould show status14:38
Kiloswhere are you reading that14:39
theblazehenhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayes_command_set#GSM and just knowledge i got from reading OLD linux books14:39
Kilosso in cli just type in screen?14:40
theblazehenscreen /dev/USB2 960014:40
theblazehen9600 is the baud rate14:40
Kilosok sec14:40
Kilosthat flashed some stuff up too fast to read then said failed14:42
theblazehenis the stuff still on screen?14:43
Kilos[screen is terminating]14:43
Kiloshehe14:43
Kilosnope14:43
Kiloslsusb shows it14:43
KilosBus 001 Device 004: ID 1bbb:0000 T & A Mobile Phones 14:43
Kilosthat 0000 is storage mode14:44
Kilosstupid idea. who wants/needs 1g storage14:45
theblazehenyea14:45
theblazehenis it set up in the modeswitch config file?14:45
Kilosnever looked there14:45
theblazehenok14:45
Kilosno forget im old and a mechanic 14:46
theblazehenhttps://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=861424 - might be relevevant14:46
Kilosi go see ty14:46
theblazehenand try sudo eject /dev/sd-whatever it's picked up as14:47
charl_interesting, i am watching a review of a meego-fork now called sailfish https://sailfishos.org/14:48
theblazehencharl_, look now14:48
charl_good review but it's in dutch http://tweakers.net/video/7333/sailfish-os.html14:48
theblazehenlook soon. screen shot looks great14:49
charl_sounds really promising14:49
charl_it looks seriously polished and runs smoothly on old hardware14:49
theblazehengood :)14:49
charl_and runs android applications14:49
theblazehennicxe14:50
theblazehennice*14:50
charl_wow, ok, am surprised14:50
charl_there is hope yet :)14:50
theblazehenwhat?14:50
theblazehenyea:)14:50
theblazehenlooks good. No builds available yet ?14:51
charl_doesn't seem like it14:51
charl_only an sdk14:51
charl_*a sdk14:51
theblazehenthat sucks :( 14:52
theblazehenhttp://merproject.org/14:53
charl_wow there are too many efforts14:54
charl_time people start working together instead14:54
charl_although they seem to want to work together with tizen14:55
theblazehenyea. And is the base for sailfish14:55
charl_i like that they are pushing for html5 too though14:55
theblazehenall loosely related it seems14:55
charl_interesting14:55
theblazehenhttp://xkcd.com/927/14:55
charl_lol14:55
charl_precisely14:55
theblazehenyea.14:56
theblazehenI want sailfish to happen though14:56
charl_yeah14:56
Kiloswhat should be in wvdial.conf14:56
theblazehenno idea...14:56
charl_sorry i need to go14:56
Kilos[Dialer Defaults]14:56
KilosPhone = 14:56
KilosUsername = 14:56
KilosPassword = 14:56
KilosNew PPPD = yes14:56
charl_enjoy the rest of your weekend all14:56
Kilosthats whats in mine14:56
theblazehenbye charl_ 14:56
charl_ciao14:57
Kiloscherers charl_ 14:57
Kiloscheers too14:57
theblazehenwvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf run that14:57
theblazehenRun (as root)14:58
theblazehen# wvdialconf14:58
theblazehenwhich will attempt to write /etc/wvdial.conf correctly. You will need to add the user, password and Access Point Name (APN). You can obtain these (i) from your network provider, (ii) from other users via published wvdial.confs, or (iii) by logging the USB tty traffic under another operating system (Sysinternals' Portmon). 14:58
Kilosok ty14:59
theblazehenif usb_modeswitch works then use /dev/gsmmodem14:59
theblazehennp14:59
Kilosisnt sakis3g gonna interfere?14:59
theblazehendoes it try and do anything automatically?15:00
KilosFound a modem on /dev/ttyUSB1.15:01
theblazehenwith wvdialconf ? good15:01
theblazehennow follow instructions if there are any15:01
KilosModem configuration written to /etc/wvdial.conf.15:02
KilosttyUSB1<Info>: Speed 9600; init "ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=0"15:02
Kilosno instructions15:02
theblazehenok nano /etc/wvdial.conf15:02
theblazehenA typical /etc/wvdial.conf looks like this:15:03
theblazehen[Dialer Defaults]15:03
theblazehenInit1 = ATZ15:03
theblazehenInit2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=015:03
theblazehenModem Type = Analog Modem15:03
theblazehenISDN = 015:03
theblazehenModem = /dev/ttyUSB215:03
theblazehenBaud = 960015:03
theblazehen[Dialer thenet]15:03
theblazehenPhone = *99***1#15:03
theblazehenUsername = thenetuser15:03
theblazehenPassword = thenetpw15:03
theblazehenStupid Mode = 115:03
theblazehenBaud = 46080015:03
theblazehenInit3 = AT+CGDCONT=1,"IP","apn.thenet.net"15:03
theblazehen[Dialer mypin]15:03
theblazehenInit4 = AT+CPIN=123415:03
theblazehenNeed to add the [Dialer] section15:03
theblazehen[Dialer $providername]15:03
theblazehenPhone = The number used to dial using connman (i assume) or the windows dial up interface15:04
Kilos*99#15:04
theblazehenok add it15:04
theblazehenwhich provider?15:04
Kilosall mobile providers here use that15:05
theblazehenok15:05
theblazehenwhichone do you use?15:05
Kilosnow slow down young lady15:05
Kilos8ta15:05
theblazehenok15:05
Kilosim trying to find what needs changing15:05
Kiloshehe15:05
theblazehenThe username and pass is usually none15:07
Kilosso only the *99# to add15:07
theblazehenI think so15:07
Kilosits a short file15:07
theblazehenyea.15:07
theblazehenthen wvdial whatever you called the dialer15:08
Kiloswhat you mean whatever i cvalled the modem15:09
Kiloscalled15:09
Kilosdialer i mean15:09
theblazehenwhen you set up the modem you have a section called [device $something] , run wvdial $somehting15:10
Kilosthere in nano?15:10
theblazehenyea15:10
Kilos[Dialer Defaults]15:10
KilosInit1 = ATZ15:10
KilosInit2 = ATQ0 V1 E1 S0=0 &C1 &D2 +FCLASS=015:10
KilosModem Type = Analog Modem15:10
KilosBaud = 960015:10
KilosNew PPPD = yes15:10
KilosModem = /dev/ttyUSB115:10
KilosISDN = 015:10
Kilos; Phone = <Target Phone Number>15:10
Kilos; Password = <Your Password>15:11
Kilos; Username = <Your Login Name>15:11
Kilossorry for spam guys15:11
Kilosthats all thats there15:11
theblazehenok wvdail Defaults15:11
theblazehenthat is the one generated by wvdialconf right?15:12
Kilosyeah15:12
theblazehenok15:12
theblazehentry it and tell what happens15:12
Kiloslol try it how?15:12
theblazehenwvdial Defaults && ping google.com15:13
Kiloskill sakis first then see if nm sees modem15:13
Kilossjoe15:13
theblazehenyeah do that15:13
Kilosok be back inna bit15:13
Kilosty15:13
theblazehenk15:13
theblazehenhi grantw 15:29
grantwhello15:29
Kiloswhew. what a schlep15:37
theblazehenand?15:37
Kiloswvdial says illegal phone number and username and password15:37
theblazehen:(15:38
Kilosthen eject  ?devttyUSB1 said it cant but then even sakis didnt work15:38
theblazehendunno what else to do...15:38
Kilosnot a prob. sakis works ty so much for trying15:38
theblazeheneject /dev/sd-whatever your drive shows up15:39
theblazehennp15:39
Kilosi found a way once before to tell the nm not to see modem as 000015:39
Kilosbut sakis is good for now 15:40
theblazehengood :) , now to remember it...15:40
Kiloslol 15:40
theblazehengood luck15:40
Kilosty but with sakis working its not a serious prob15:41
theblazehenok15:41
Kilosonly sakis wont let evo mail connect15:42
Kiloswill ask Trixar_zb  when he gets here15:42
theblazehenok15:42
Kilosits his package im using15:42
theblazehendoes other mail clients work?15:42
Kilosthe site has been down for months15:42
Kiloshavent tried15:42
theblazehen:(15:42
Kilosi like evolution, thunderbird sucks15:43
theblazehenIt might be someproblem with the port mail is on15:43
Kilosoh15:43
theblazehentry some oter mail client . If it doesent work then try using evo mail with a public proxy15:44
Kiloswill do15:44
Kiloshi SeeBorg 16:01
theblazehenLetting him run again :)16:01
Kilosthunderbird works theblazehen 16:01
theblazehenok thats... I'm not quite sure16:02
Kilosoh him the bot so he can learn?16:02
theblazehenyea16:02
theblazehenGuess you will need to run thunderbird then16:02
Kilosits kinda weird because i have them both using pop16:02
Kilosyeah np till i sort nm16:02
theblazehenIs evo mail set to only use a specific interface?16:03
Kilos?16:03
theblazeheneg eth0, wlan016:03
Kilosyou can use direct connection to internet or proxy or one more16:03
theblazehenok16:04
Kilosdefault something16:04
Kilosbut proxy stuff too much for head16:04
theblazehenand is it the same in evo mail as thunderbird?16:04
theblazehenalso for the proxy does it have option for socks or http?16:04
Kilosthe nice thing about evo is it can make its own backup that remember all mails in it and all account details and contacts16:05
theblazehenNice.16:05
Kilosthunderbird goes and finds its own stuff16:05
theblazehenok.16:05
Kilosdunno why they dropped evo from ubuntu16:05
theblazehentry setting the default option in evo and retry16:06
theblazehenor try proxy with 208.115.232.245 and port 44316:06
Kilosi have16:06
Kiloshehe16:06
theblazehenok16:06
theblazehentry the proxy then16:06
Kiloswhat about the http stuff?16:06
theblazehendoes it show anything for socks?16:07
Kilossec i open again16:07
Kilosi see nothing there16:08
theblazehenok16:09
theblazehen195.140.190.146  port 8080 put it in the http proxy area16:09
Kilosso do i add 208.115.232.245 where it shows http16:09
theblazehenyea16:09
theblazehenno16:09
Kilosok ty16:09
theblazehen195.140.190.146 by http16:09
Kilosok done that16:10
Kilosnow port?16:10
theblazehen808016:10
Kilosty16:10
theblazehenIf it works, then thats kinda good. if not then disable it16:10
Kilosnope dont work16:12
Kiloshehe16:12
theblazehenok disable it then16:12
Kilosalways worked on direct connection to internet16:12
theblazehenok16:12
Kilosbut also found mxit in pidgin didnt work with sakis till i disabled it then enabled again16:13
theblazehenok16:13
Kiloshehe16:13
Kilosweird16:13
theblazehenyea16:13
theblazehenwhich version you on?12.10?16:13
Kilos12.0416:14
Kilos12.10 goes blank screen when rebooting after install16:14
theblazehenok16:14
Kilosmurphy lives here16:14
theblazehensudo apt-add repository ppa:gnome3-team/gnome316:16
theblazehensudo apt-get update16:16
theblazehensudo apt-add repository ppa:danilo/evolution16:16
theblazehensudo apt-get update16:16
theblazehensudo apt-get install evolution16:16
Kilosmust i do that?16:17
theblazehenIt is another port of evolution mail. It might work16:17
theblazehenyea16:17
Kiloscool lets try ty16:18
KilosMaaz, murphy says16:18
MaazIf anything can go wrong, be assured, it will16:18
theblazehenlol16:18
theblazehenback in a few16:18
Kilosoh that first command must be add-apt-repository i think16:19
Kilossudo add-apt-repository  ppa:gnome3-team/gnome316:20
theblazehenim back16:23
theblazehenyea it might be16:23
theblazehenYes it is.16:23
Kiloshehe still no joy16:25
theblazehensucks16:25
Kilosyeah will look tomorrow if i can find how i fixed nm before16:26
theblazehenok16:26
superflyKilos: actually, that's the pessimistic law16:29
superflymurphy's law is slightly different16:30
Kiloshahaha yeah with me especially superfly 16:30
Kilostell16:30
Kilostheblazehen, was  one of these kinda links16:30
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/143989/3g-usb-modem-not-working-in-12-0416:30
Kilosgriffin_, you having any success?16:31
theblazehenmight be16:31
theblazehennope16:32
Kilosaw16:32
griffin_Kilos: No nada. Just spent some time getting unity to work again after the last remove and re-install of drivers16:32
Kilosouch16:32
Kilosthe fly will tell you to use kubuntu16:32
theblazehengriffin_, Are you using nouveau at the moment?16:32
griffin_No, just the standard available drivers via additional drivers16:34
theblazehenvesa? fbdev?16:34
theblazehencat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep {fbdev,vesa,nouveau,nvida}16:35
griffin_Terminal says no such directory for all the ones listed in brackets16:36
Squirmhi16:36
griffin_Hi Squirm16:36
Squirmgriffin_: maybe try put the {fbdev,vesa,nouveau,nvida} in ""16:37
theblazehensorry I fucked up.16:37
theblazehenJust grep each one on it's own16:37
Kilosoh griffin_ do you have synaptic installed16:38
griffin_So I have the log, what now16:39
Kiloshi nlsthzn 16:39
griffin_No synaptic16:39
Kilossynaptic shows everything you have installed and what else you can install16:39
griffin_Ok installing16:40
Kilosits for peeps with bad memories who can remember all the commands or where they were saved inna safe place16:41
Kiloshehe16:41
Kiloscant16:41
griffin_Got that installed, nice looking program16:42
Kilosyeah i like it16:43
Kilosyou type what you are looking for in the little top window16:43
Kilostop right16:43
nlsthznapt-get has super cow powers16:44
nlsthznhello all, uncle Kilos etc.16:44
theblazehenhi nlsthzn 16:44
griffin_So I search for what nvidia packages are installed or the previous grep searches16:45
Kilosgo with grep lets see16:45
Kilossynaptic you can look at anytime16:45
Kilosim sure its nouveau driver16:46
nlsthznhiya theblazehen 16:46
griffin_I lists nouveau as installed16:47
theblazehenok, it's using the foss driver then16:47
griffin_Ok I'm loosing everyone here a bit. What are we lokking for and why?16:48
griffin_*looking16:48
theblazehenTrying to see which drivers work.16:48
Kilosfor some reason the nvidia drivers mess up his hd screen'16:49
theblazehenstrange16:49
Kiloseven nvidia-current16:49
Kilosis the card good griffin_ ?16:49
griffin_No current is working but anything above 295 makes the the HD fuzzy16:50
Kilosoh current is working better than the additional one16:50
* nlsthzn helps gaming on linux by purchasing another game on steam... hmmm... now to take annual leave so I have time to play it >.<16:50
Kiloslol16:51
Kilosnlsthzn, griffin_ is trying to get nvidia going so he can go steam too16:51
griffin_Haha anyone have access to the developers that tested this om Ubuntu so we can get the 100 page white paper on the setup of Ubuntu before using Steam16:52
Kiloshave you got another screen16:53
* nlsthzn is rocking the far inferiorly supported AMD graphics that is a breeze to install16:53
Kilosnot hd16:53
griffin_Yes, 1 HD and nother DVi16:53
Kilosdoes it do it on both?16:54
Kilosthe fuzzy bit i mean16:54
griffin_Nope just the HD one one16:54
Kiloshow much ram you got?16:54
griffin_8gb16:55
Kilosdont hd use more resources16:55
Kilosah thats lots16:55
griffin_Dev not the system spec wise but a issue with drivers16:55
nlsthznhave you tried the drivers that are installed by default with your release of Ubuntu?16:57
nlsthzngriffin_, ?16:57
Kiloswhen you type additional in the dash does is show the driver you installed or different ones16:57
griffin_Default driver version is to low for steam. It moans about 304 at least and then closes16:57
Kilosoh and in settings monitor does it see the hd correectly16:59
Kiloswhew16:59
Kiloscorrectly16:59
griffin_I would appear so17:00
griffin_I think this one has takes up to much time for now. Will resume setup next weekend when I have more time to spare.17:02
griffin_*taken17:02
Kiloslol17:02
nlsthzngriffin_, I haven't followed the whole conversation but are you able to install the drivers or not?17:03
griffin_nlsthzn: Sort as sweet version: I can install the updated nvidia drivers but going anywhere past 304 causes my HD screen to go fuzzy but has no effect on my other DVI output17:04
nlsthznso the driver steam says you needs is causing issues when installed... ok 17:05
griffin_In short yes17:05
griffin_Kilos this is the current project requiring some.... cleanup17:07
nlsthznand the same issue with the 310 driver I assume?17:07
griffin_yep17:07
Kilosi dunno where that wentr17:09
Kiloswent17:09
griffin_As in where it saved?17:09
Kilosyeah its gone17:09
griffin_Promise its not a naked photo of me. Send it again?17:10
Kiloslol ok17:10
nlsthzngriffin_, that is odd behavior, a quick bit of googling shows enough issues with nvidia drivers but not what you are describing (or that I can find)...17:10
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/129056/desktop-distorted-after-installing-nvidia-drivers17:11
griffin_Kilos: sort of the same but my problem is more vibrating fuzzy if I can describe it that way17:13
Kiloswhat is that thing you building17:13
griffin_Built actually. My previous home automation system17:14
Kilosthats whats killing your hd screen17:14
Kiloshehe17:14
Kilosoh door opener17:14
Kiloshehe17:14
Kiloswhat all does it do?17:15
griffin_Door opener, hot water controller, light dimmer, access control, sprinkler control, computer & music switch on and a few others I can never remember17:15
Kiloswow17:16
Kilosi need one to repair scarp hard drive17:16
Kiloss17:16
Kilosscrap17:16
griffin_Haha just give me a few month a $100000 and we have a deal 17:17
Kiloslol17:17
griffin_I'ts soon to be replaced by a PI and the new designed board17:19
Kilosno wonder you dont have time to sleep17:19
griffin_O yes and thats a feature I hope to build to the new one. Sleep mode17:20
Kiloshehe17:20
Kilosjust stay online here ill tell you its bed time17:21
griffin_Haha do you have snooze button?17:21
Kilosnpe17:21
Kilosnope17:21
griffin_darn17:22
griffin_What would a specific reason be for suddenly no sound?17:32
Kiloslol supper17:35
Kilosyou moved the pc and sound cable fell out17:35
Kilosor you bumped the mute button17:36
griffin_My sound card is no longer listed under sound in settings option17:36
Kiloswhat else have you just done that coulda killed it17:37
griffin_I did not notice until I wanted to stream some music so I could have happen earlier when I started with the nvidia stuff 17:38
Kiloslook up top right if you didnt mute it17:38
griffin_:-| basic trouble shooting done thats why I know it only says dummy sound under sound in system settings 17:39
Kilosouch17:39
Kilosyou worse than me even17:40
griffin_I have known for a long time that when I walk into a room the most unexplained and least expected thing WILL happen to me17:41
Kiloslol17:41
Kilosreboot and see if its same17:41
Kilosif it is reboot and chhoose recovery mode17:41
griffin_I have run a few commands now and will restart to see what happens17:42
Kiloscheck the card is plugged in lekker17:42
griffin_Onboard card17:43
Kilosah17:43
griffin_Had to rename .pulse folder and restart....17:47
Kiloshow do you know that?17:47
Kilosdid it tell you17:47
griffin_Google is my very close friend17:47
Kilosah17:47
griffin_Just hate using it for simple sh1t like that17:48
Kilosyou still learning man17:49
griffin_I known. Just getting use to the noob idea again17:50
Kiloslol17:50
Kiloswell you the one that took so long to go ubuntu17:50
griffin_Ja ja I know.... But got lazy with the point and click17:51
Kiloslol17:51
griffin_But now the point and click wants more money for something equivalent to sh1t with tiles17:52
nlsthzngood night all...17:54
Kilosnight nlsthzn 17:54
griffin_Cheerz  nlsthzn17:54
Kilossleep tight17:54
Kiloslo Vince-0 18:24
Vince-0Hi18:24
Kilosi gonna try an earlier night18:24
griffin_Hi vince18:24
Kilosnight all. sleep tight18:24
Kilossee yous tomorrow18:25
griffin_Cherrz Kilos18:25
Vince-0Nit18:25
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inetprogood evening19:50
magespawnand now its bed time, good night all20:27

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