[04:12] hello everyone [04:21] yofel: Progress. [04:21] yofel: JontheEchidna has a sample py3 one you can try and see if it works. [04:31] apachelogger: did you merge the tomahawk debian/copyright changes? [04:37] bbl === murthy is now known as murthy_ [04:40] valorie: You've got something really odd going on. I noticed at the end one of the packages that's trying to be installed is python-qt3. That hasn't been in the archive for awhile. What release are you on? Do you have any third party packages installed? [04:41] We have that on precise, so I assume you're on quantal and there should be no packages that depend on it. [04:44] quantal, yes [04:45] third-party....... not sure [04:45] such as what? [04:45] no skype [04:46] Skype wouldn't do it. [04:47] I'd remove roaraudio and slpd and see if that helps. [04:47] wow, the list of depends in muon is reasonable [04:47] I wish I had kept a list of the ridiculous list apt-get installed [04:48] about 100 random gnomish things, including mono [04:48] i purged mumble, roaraudio, slpd, gnucash and evolution [04:49] You can look in /var/log/dpkg something to see a list. [04:49] Here's what mumble wants to pull in for me: [04:49] espeak-data libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libcelt0-0 libdotconf1.0 libespeak1 libg15daemon-client1 libprotobuf7 libsonic0 speech-dispatcher [04:49] Suggested packages: [04:49] mumble-server speech-dispatcher-festival speech-dispatcher-doc-cs libttspico-utils speech-dispatcher-flite [04:49] The following NEW packages will be installed: [04:49] espeak-data libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libcelt0-0 libdotconf1.0 libespeak1 libg15daemon-client1 libprotobuf7 libsonic0 mumble speech-dispatcher [04:50] I think you've got something else going on. [04:52] http://paste.kde.org/687008/ [04:53] aside from using Konversation and building Amarok from git, this is pretty much bog standard [04:53] oh, I have the dropbox script [04:55] perhaps I'll try again from muon [05:05] well, it is installed, but i have no sound still [05:05] I think it messed with alsa [05:23] maybe I have to log in again to see good changes [05:23] back in a bit [07:16] good morning [07:17] hello soee [07:41] Good morning [08:16] Hello [08:16] ScottK: Congratulations on making it to DMB [08:17] Quintasan, same from me [08:17] Congrats ScottK [08:17] smartboyhw: How is your grantlee investigation? [08:18] Quintasan, I have a question also BTW:P : What happened to Bug 1008967? [08:18] bug 1008967 in Ubuntu "[needs-packaging] plasma-widget-redshift" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1008967 [08:18] I believe I have it packaged somewhere [08:18] It just needs checking and uploading [08:18] Quintasan, eh..... [08:19] ScottK: you love trouble, eh? [08:19] any news about compositing enabled on live cd? [08:20] valorie, that's not trouble I think [08:20] I've been loving ubuntu-devel lately..... [08:20] ScottK is our shining star [08:20] valorie, I found mailing delays for gmail in ubuntu-devel [08:20] I've been reading it from the archives [08:20] I seem to get a bunch of mails (namely 100) after 0:00 UTC [08:21] since I'm not a devel, I don't subscribe [08:21] valorie, oh [08:21] mgraesslin: What's wrong with it in the first place? [08:21] tonight I've been trying to get sound back on this laptop [08:21] grrrr [08:21] Quintasan: see my mail on kubuntu-devel - it's disabled for the fun of it [08:21] mumble stole my sound [08:22] Quintasan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-February/006732.html [08:23] I see. [08:24] * mgraesslin would like to see the issue resolved in raring as it gives KDE a bad reputation for being ugly with all the people only trying live cds in VMs [08:24] and I don't want to solve it in KWin [08:26] Riddell, Quintasan shadeslayer yofel is Bug 1103013 a sync bug or a need Debian merge to Ubuntu? [08:26] bug 1103013 in kde-gtk-config (Ubuntu) "Please merge kde-gtk-config 3:2.1.1-1 (universe) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1103013 [08:47] smartboyhw: I don't know, you'd need to look at what's in ubuntu to decide [08:47] Riddell, two patches? [08:48] smartboyhw: merge, see last changelog entry [08:48] trivial one though [08:49] and good morning ^^ [08:49] yofel, /me assigns that bug to smartboyhwP [08:49] s/smartboyhw/smartboyhw :P/ [08:49] smartboyhw meant: "yofel, /me assigns that bug to smartboyhw :PP" [08:49] Bah [08:49] ^^ [08:58] Hmm though kde-gtk-config got a new version 2.2rc1 [09:06] Riddell, yofel https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/kde-gtk-config/2.1.1-1ubuntu1-1st-push/+merge/151434 [09:06] Should be OK === zequence_ is now known as zequence === mck182 is now known as mck182|afk [10:10] Quintasan: fun part about kwin: Yes, Compositing is set to false on the live image. But where the hell does that come from [10:11] settings only have that for low-fat, which isn't installed in the desktop image [10:16] I wonder if it's set at startup by a test that kwin does, something to do with the ubiquity-dm that doesn't talk nicely [10:17] kwin does never set that option by itself [10:17] only if KWin would crash it would be set [10:17] and KWin is not crashing [10:17] a mystery then [10:17] does restarting the session count as crashing? [10:17] is casper doing something? [10:18] yofel: no [10:18] hm... [10:18] kwin only disables if it crashes when trying to activate compositing [10:18] but that never happens [10:18] and if KWin disables because of that, there are more options written [10:19] it's hard disabled somewhere in Kubuntu [10:19] apachelogger did once an investigation [10:19] apachelogger: wake up [10:24] yofel: it was something like Compiz tool told KWin to enable compositing, it crashed and that's why it's disabled on the live CD since 8.10 [10:26] hi, is there any reason language-selector-kde is not available for raring? http://packages.ubuntu.com/uk/raring/language-selector-kde [10:29] I found it was removed http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.raring/5223 , i could not find any other module replacing it [10:30] dmatt: it was replaced by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_langpack_install.diff [10:31] as language-selector-kde didn't work anymore after language-selector was ported to python3 [10:33] mgraesslin: makes sense, it's just that I currently don't understand how the live session kwinrc is even created [10:34] sorry [10:34] yofel: thanks [10:38] hello world :D [10:40] Riddell, mgraesslin: ah, found it. ubiquity-dm force-disabled kwin compositing [10:42] Riddell: more specifically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm line 522 [10:43] yofel: which is a bit silly since the gtk frontend is "force-enabling" compositing for metacity for a long time now. [10:43] yeah [10:45] bug 285626 [10:45] bug 285626 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Intrepid) "blank window on livecd with "Install" boot option" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285626 [10:45] 2008... [10:52] this is fun. I purge kwinrc, remove the code that disables compositing, and now I have a new setting block that sets compositing to XRender and GraphicsSystem to native [10:54] yofel: good detective work [10:55] anyway [10:55] * yofel -> lunch [10:58] yofel: that sounds fine - fallback to XRender if OpenGL is not supported [11:11] * smartboyhw wonders has Riddell or yofel merged in his branch [11:11] smartboyhw: stuck catching up on ubuntu-devel [11:12] smartboyhw: I'll take a break and get onto yours [11:12] smartboyhw: how did rekonq get on? [11:12] ooh it's in, lovely [11:12] Riddell, merged (with some stupid mistakes from me) [11:24] mgraesslin: ah ok, then I guess we only need to remove the code in ubiquity-dm and it'll work [11:24] yofel: yes, hopefully [11:24] at least KWin would then behave like everywhere else [11:24] worst thing that can happen is KWin crashing, restarting and disabling OpenGL [11:25] but that hasn't happened for a long time [11:31] smartboyhw: you say "Merge from Debian experimental" but you don't say what the remaining changes are [11:34] yofel: want me to do that? [11:35] Riddell: yes if you have the time [11:39] yofel: Did you fix it? [11:39] Riddell will, but we found the issue at least [11:39] Splendid. [11:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/285626 was the reason for turning it off [11:40] Launchpad bug 285626 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Intrepid) "blank window on livecd with "Install" boot option" [High,Fix released] [11:40] smartboyhw: I can give you my redshift packaging if you really want [11:40] * Quintasan wonders why he did not upload that [11:40] Quintasan: if you're looking for work 4.10.1 has some [11:41] I'm looking for people to do my work I have not done yet :P [11:41] erk 4.10.1, I forgot about that [11:41] * Riddell adds to the day's todo [11:42] yofel: Next time you HAVE to make me run the automation script at least once [11:42] because currently I have no idea how we do the preliminary packaging [11:42] uhm, sure. It's running the command, fixing what was moved to manual/ and uploading everything [11:43] I see [11:43] I need to do it at least once to remember it anyways [11:43] sure [11:52] Riddell, em really not much remaining changes....... [11:52] Quintasan, what? [11:52] smartboyhw: the suggests would remain [11:53] yofel, OK [11:53] smartboyhw: well not much still needs to be listed in the changelog [11:53] that's ubuntu policy [11:55] smartboyhw: Nothing. Never mind. [12:13] smartboyhw: hmm quite a few http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-gtk-config-debian-ubuntu.diff [12:14] Riddell: what are you diffing against? 3:2.1.1-1~exp1ubuntu1 is in there too [12:15] oh yes, let me fix [12:16] yofel: http://old.nabble.com/Raring-Alpha-2-Live-CD-does-not-enable-Compositing-td35028025.html [12:16] that's better http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-gtk-config-debian-ubuntu.diff [12:16] took me 4 words to find :P [12:17] smartboyhw: but you've removed a load of the changelog history? [12:17] apachelogger: yeah well, nvm [12:17] Riddell, I didn't.... [12:17] * smartboyhw checks [12:18] murthy_: still on the todo [12:18] on the top of it though :P [12:20] Riddell, so what should I do now? [12:21] smartboyhw: nothing, I'm about to upload :) [12:21] Riddell, LOL [12:21] Quintasan, now: What redshift packaging you want me to do? [12:22] None [12:23] OK so everybody is playing a trick on me:( [12:24] Riddell: btw. can we upload some version of user-manager before feature freeze? Or should we wait until it's out + FFE [12:24] yofel: yeah let's get that uploaded [12:24] \o/ [12:25] smartboyhw: no we're just being indecisive, not your fault! [12:25] yofel: do you know if we have anything currently package-wise? [12:25] Riddell, uh [12:26] * smartboyhw spits out a ball of blood [12:26] only if those daily builds that shadeslayer and apachelogger were supposed to make work [12:27] * Riddell grabs from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages === clay_doh is now known as claydoh [12:35] "Description: user management tool for the Plasma workspace" [12:35] hmm we've gone from describing things as being for KDE to for Plasma? [12:35] is that much better? [12:36] you could write Workspace, there's not much else that fits into upstream's current branding policy [12:36] as in KDE Workspace [12:37] but it's either that or plasma [12:39] Christ [12:39] yofel: I wonder more thining that it's not KDE specific at all, but since it's a kcm I guess it is [12:39] src/account.ui: Jhon Doe [12:39] I can't update ktp for life of me from dailies [12:39] afiestas: you know the US term is spelt "John Doe" ? [12:39] hm [12:39] afiestas: how would you translate that into Spanish or Catalunian? cos I've no idea how to translate it into British English [12:40] like John Smith? [12:40] :P [12:40] Quintasan: that might work [12:41] although I object to putting a silent h in names, since so many English people want to call me John :) [12:41] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_Joe [12:41] There you go [12:43] yes, very US-centric term [12:44] Riddell: There is a list of variants in other countries :P [12:44] like Jan Kowalski in Polish === dantti_laptop|2 is now known as dantti_laptop [12:45] ah, Joe Bloggs, that's a good British alternative [12:46] hi, is there a reason why qt5widgets does not have a -dev package? and no qt docs installed on raring(ie QtCreator doesn't show them anymore)? [12:48] dantti_laptop: qtwidgets is qtbase5-dev no? [12:48] hmm let me install [12:48] this new naming scheme is quite confusing... [12:49] it's just using upstream's names [12:50] ok, probably just need to get used [12:51] qt docs I don't know about, would take some digging to work out what's changed I think [12:52] Thanks Riddell for uploading:) [12:54] Riddell, some questions: 1. Is it that only ~kubuntu-members and ~ubuntu-core-devs can get to ~kubuntu-packagers and 2. How long (or how many packages) should I package before I try to apply for ~kubuntu-dev or MOTU? [12:56] smartboyhw: get in kubuntu-members first, and you can apply for ~kubuntu-dev as soon as you want and fill in the paperwork [12:56] yofel, K [12:56] * smartboyhw waits for next Council meeting [12:56] smartboyhw: i.e. schedule one. Without a reason we don't have meetings [12:56] yofel, uh..... (That could take years) [12:57] schedule == make a doodle page and send a mail to the list [12:57] and fill in the meeting page with your membership request [12:58] yofel, well I won't even schedule one just because of my membership...... [12:59] why not? [12:59] actually [12:59] we could schedule it at the weekend after our mumble talk if you can round up enough KC members [12:59] yofel, mumble talk = ? [13:00] smartboyhw: see ML, we wanted to have our own short meetup using mumble to discuss the whole rolling release thing [13:00] we just didn't schedule a time for it yet [13:00] yofel, OK [13:01] But then maybe my timezone doesn't fit [13:01] And KC members are a priority [13:02] smartboyhw: sure, but it won't hurt to try [13:05] yofel, you guys hold KC meetings in here or at #ubuntu-meeting? [13:06] #ubuntu-meeting, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings [13:16] yofel: hm? [13:16] hm what? [13:16] !? [13:20] smartboyhw: !?? [13:20] Riddell, I'm !? at apachelogger's ping of yofel then you !?? !!?!?! [13:20] apachelogger: I stole your packaging for user-config now in New queue [13:20] lol [13:22] yofel, the world's worst e-mail draft: http://paste.kde.org/687332/ [13:23] smartboyhw: looks good [13:24] Riddell, really? [13:24] ship it [13:24] er, send it [13:25] Riddell + yofel , the doodle poll doesn't:P [13:25] yofel: ssh that's the secret debian upload password! [13:25] well, it's not like this channel's logged >.> [13:25] :P [13:26] phew [13:27] Riddell, !? [13:28] Email sent [13:40] Hi all [13:42] Hi BluesKaj [13:44] the first link in the status resulted in a error 400 [13:44] the link with the to do notes [13:45] ovidiu-florin, ? [13:45] http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas does not work [13:45] it says 400 Bad Request [13:46] ovidiu-florin: works for me [13:46] ovidiu-florin, works for me [13:47] weird [13:47] I'll try cleaning my cache [13:48] it works now [13:48] thank's [13:53] Riddell: neato [13:53] Riddell: you mean user-manager though? [13:53] userconfig is what we have right now ^^ [13:53] Riddell: does it work yet? [13:54] tried it last week monday or so and it was not really doing anything for me ^^ [13:56] hi smartboyhw et al [13:56] smartboyhw: tldr mail [13:58] apachelogger: just fill in whether you're still awake at 7am and you're done [13:58] o/ [13:59] apachelogger: um yes that one [14:00] apachelogger: seems to do the job === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [14:00] ah but can't change user photo [14:00] that's a pretty critical feature [14:01] afiestas said it'll be getting the missing features in time. Worst case we can always just stick to userconfig which should work again with the next pykde4 upload [14:02] hum, my subscription to kubuntu-devel doesn't seem to be working [14:02] Riddell, !? [14:03] smartboyhw: your e-mail hasn't arrived [14:03] Riddell, uh!? [14:03] * smartboyhw is surprised [14:03] yofel, did you receive it? [14:03] Riddell, I have problems with ubuntu-devel :P [14:03] it's in the archives [14:03] so you sent it ok [14:03] Riddell, OK [14:04] it arrived here [14:04] Riddell, hmm then [14:04] ah ninjas build_status now lists lintian issues, that's explains all the yellow [14:05] Riddell, :) [14:05] the trouble with some lintian issues is they're not a problem like old standards version but fixing them would make a diff compared to debian [14:06] And more strangely, all lintian warnings apply to i386... [14:06] Riddell: that's why all the non-fat stuff is whitelisted [14:07] smartboyhw: they're only generated on i386 [14:07] Except some of them of course [14:07] yofel: non-fat? [14:08] Riddell: only the lintian warnings that are fat on the page make the package yellow [14:08] stuff like old standards version or so won't [14:08] Riddell: there's a lintian-ignore.json in the automation repo where that's set [14:08] lovely [14:08] there's probably still some other things that can be whitelisted, I didn't read through all of them [14:09] huzzah, I have a computer again [14:10] but it's filled with some crap OS called OS X [14:10] shadeslayer: where did it go? [14:10] smartboyhw: you do have a spare DVD lying around? :P [14:10] erm, shadeslayer ^ [14:10] yofel, no. Why [14:10] ? [14:10] why won't this nexus 7 charge?! [14:10] smartboyhw: shadeslayer's mac needs special care during install ^^ [14:11] yofel, uh [14:11] No:P [14:11] yofel: not anymore [14:11] oh? [14:11] I can install from a USB now [14:11] but [14:11] \o/ [14:12] my ISO is on a external HDD, which is with a friend who is going to come in another 30 mins :P [14:12] \o/ [14:13] yofel: 7am? [14:13] what, UTC? [14:13] local [14:13] who holds meetings in the middle of the night :O [14:13] apachelogger, LOL [14:14] inorite [14:14] srsly, why 7am? [14:14] that's like way early [14:14] wait [14:15] 7 AM works fine for me xD [14:15] that's cuz you are in the future :P [14:15] * yofel can spare an hour before work or over the weekend at 7am ^^ [14:15] ain't that awesome [14:15] real developers work at night :P [14:16] lol [14:16] apachelogger, I am one:p [14:17] :'( [14:17] ah well [14:17] I keep going to the top left of the screen to toggle that show windows effect [14:17] just call me if you don't get to a quorum :P [14:18] shadeslayer: you are silly [14:18] Why does membership meetings always don't have enough quorum!? [14:18] LOL [14:18] apachelogger: no this OS is silly [14:18] * smartboyhw remembers his Ubuntu DMB meeting... [14:18] shadeslayer: perhaps [14:18] so what I do not get [14:19] Riddell: do you want the cost including shipping? [14:19] smartboyhw hangs around in european afternoons (us mornings) so why not have the meeting at such a time? :P [14:19] apachelogger, that's a good time.... [14:19] did people nominate people for KC? [14:19] apachelogger, wait what time is it showing for you (in UTC)? [14:19] shadeslayer, until May I think [14:19] shadeslayer: Quintasan was supposed to [14:20] shadeslayer: 6 utc [14:20] wat [14:20] apachelogger, !?' [14:20] **** [14:20] you meant smartboyhw I guess [14:20] shadeslayer: yeah [14:21] shadeslayer, apachelogger ignore that doodle [14:21] THAT IS WRONG [14:21] Riddell: okay, I'll ask spacetime how much it costs [14:21] smartboyhw: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130304T06 [14:21] phew [14:22] * apachelogger dodged a bullet there [14:22] apachelogger, I actually set it to 14:00 HKT.... [14:22] DAMn [14:22] you shoudl be able to edit it I think [14:22] apachelogger, I didn't create a user account:P [14:23] 14 HKT is 6 UTC, no? [14:23] apachelogger, I want to set 14 UTC... [14:23] AH [14:24] that makes more sense I guess [14:24] apachelogger, check the email [14:24] Should be correct [14:24] Riddell, yofel shadeslayer ^ [14:24] hm [14:24] apachelogger, !? [14:24] that still looks wrng [14:24] apachelogger, what the..... [14:25] also I can't change the timezone ^^ [14:25] apachelogger, sorry [14:25] the first doodle had a nice change timezone button on the top right [14:25] * smartboyhw really hates doodle [14:26] apachelogger, http://doodle.com/gb9zc9hsb8vt7rbb ? [14:26] Check it [14:26] Is it working? [14:26] now that's better [14:27] LOl [14:27] we finally arrived at 14 utc [14:27] 'o/ [14:27] emotefail [14:28] \o/ [14:28] Riddell, shadeslayer ^ [14:28] jussi, ^ [14:28] Darkwing, ^ [14:28] (LOL) [14:28] what what? [14:29] apachelogger, use irc nick please:P [14:29] Riddell, the really working doodle time poll:P [14:29] I did [14:29] apachelogger, that's because I edited it for you:P [14:29] You used logger.... [14:30] I know [14:30] Who's Phillp? yofel right? [14:30] right [14:30] Ok all weekends [14:30] Saturday maybe? [14:33] we'll see tomorrow once the rest has filled in their times [14:34]