[04:12] <murthy> hello everyone
[04:21] <ScottK> yofel: Progress.
[04:21] <ScottK> yofel: JontheEchidna has a sample py3 one you can try and see if it works.
[04:31] <murthy> apachelogger: did you merge the tomahawk debian/copyright changes?
[04:37] <murthy> bbl
[04:40] <ScottK> valorie: You've got something really odd going on.  I noticed at the end one of the packages that's trying to be installed is python-qt3.  That hasn't been in the archive  for awhile.  What release are you on?  Do you have any third party packages installed?
[04:41] <ScottK> We have that on precise, so I assume you're on quantal and there should be no packages that depend on it.
[04:44] <valorie> quantal, yes
[04:45] <valorie> third-party....... not sure
[04:45] <valorie> such as what?
[04:45] <valorie> no skype
[04:46] <ScottK> Skype wouldn't do it.
[04:47] <ScottK> I'd remove roaraudio and slpd and see if that helps.
[04:47] <valorie> wow, the list of depends in muon is reasonable
[04:47] <valorie> I wish I had kept a list of the ridiculous list apt-get installed
[04:48] <valorie> about 100 random gnomish things, including mono
[04:48] <valorie> i purged mumble, roaraudio, slpd, gnucash and evolution
[04:49] <ScottK> You can look in /var/log/dpkg something to see a list.
[04:49] <ScottK> Here's what mumble wants to pull in for me:
[04:49] <ScottK>   espeak-data libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libcelt0-0 libdotconf1.0 libespeak1 libg15daemon-client1 libprotobuf7 libsonic0 speech-dispatcher
[04:49] <ScottK> Suggested packages:
[04:49] <ScottK>   mumble-server speech-dispatcher-festival speech-dispatcher-doc-cs libttspico-utils speech-dispatcher-flite
[04:49] <ScottK> The following NEW packages will be installed:
[04:49] <ScottK>   espeak-data libavahi-compat-libdnssd1 libcelt0-0 libdotconf1.0 libespeak1 libg15daemon-client1 libprotobuf7 libsonic0 mumble speech-dispatcher
[04:50] <ScottK> I think you've got something else going on.
[04:52] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org/687008/
[04:53] <valorie> aside from using Konversation and building Amarok from git, this is pretty much bog standard
[04:53] <valorie> oh, I have the dropbox script
[04:55] <valorie> perhaps I'll try again from muon
[05:05] <valorie> well, it is installed, but i have no sound still
[05:05] <valorie> I think it messed with alsa
[05:23] <valorie> maybe I have to log in again to see good changes
[05:23] <valorie> back in a bit
[07:16] <soee> good morning
[07:17] <smartboyhw> hello soee 
[07:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[08:16] <Quintasan> Hello
[08:16] <Quintasan> ScottK: Congratulations on making it to DMB
[08:17] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, same from me
[08:17] <smartboyhw> Congrats ScottK 
[08:17] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: How is your grantlee investigation?
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, I have a question also BTW:P : What happened to Bug 1008967?
[08:18] <Quintasan> I believe I have it packaged somewhere
[08:18] <Quintasan> It just needs checking and uploading
[08:18] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, eh.....
[08:19] <valorie> ScottK: you love trouble, eh?
[08:19] <mgraesslin> any news about compositing enabled on live cd?
[08:20] <smartboyhw> valorie, that's not trouble I think
[08:20] <valorie> I've been loving ubuntu-devel lately.....
[08:20] <valorie> ScottK is our shining star
[08:20] <smartboyhw> valorie, I found mailing delays for gmail in ubuntu-devel
[08:20] <valorie> I've been reading it from the archives
[08:20] <smartboyhw> I seem to get a bunch of mails (namely 100) after 0:00 UTC
[08:21] <valorie> since I'm not a devel, I don't subscribe
[08:21] <smartboyhw> valorie, oh
[08:21] <Quintasan> mgraesslin: What's wrong with it in the first place?
[08:21] <valorie> tonight I've been trying to get sound back on this laptop
[08:21] <valorie> grrrr
[08:21] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: see my mail on kubuntu-devel - it's disabled for the fun of it
[08:21] <valorie> mumble stole my sound
[08:22] <mgraesslin> Quintasan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2013-February/006732.html
[08:23] <Quintasan> I see.
[08:24]  * mgraesslin would like to see the issue resolved in raring as it gives KDE a bad reputation for being ugly with all the people only trying live cds in VMs
[08:24] <mgraesslin> and I don't want to solve it in KWin
[08:26] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Quintasan shadeslayer yofel is Bug 1103013 a sync bug or a need Debian merge to Ubuntu?
[08:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't know, you'd need to look at what's in ubuntu to decide
[08:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, two patches?
[08:48] <yofel> smartboyhw: merge, see last changelog entry
[08:48] <yofel> trivial one though
[08:49] <yofel> and good morning ^^
[08:49] <smartboyhw> yofel, /me assigns that bug to smartboyhwP
[08:49] <smartboyhw> s/smartboyhw/smartboyhw :P/
[08:49] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "yofel, /me assigns that bug to smartboyhw :PP"
[08:49] <smartboyhw> Bah
[08:49] <yofel> ^^
[08:58] <smartboyhw> Hmm though kde-gtk-config got a new version 2.2rc1
[09:06] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel https://code.launchpad.net/~smartboyhw/ubuntu/raring/kde-gtk-config/2.1.1-1ubuntu1-1st-push/+merge/151434
[09:06] <smartboyhw> Should be OK
[10:10] <yofel> Quintasan: fun part about kwin: Yes, Compositing is set to false on the live image. But where the hell does that come from
[10:11] <yofel> settings only have that for low-fat, which isn't installed in the desktop image
[10:16] <Riddell> I wonder if it's set at startup by a test that kwin does, something to do with the ubiquity-dm that doesn't talk nicely
[10:17] <mgraesslin> kwin does never set that option by itself
[10:17] <mgraesslin> only if KWin would crash it would be set
[10:17] <mgraesslin> and KWin is not crashing
[10:17] <Riddell> a mystery then
[10:17] <yofel> does restarting the session count as crashing?
[10:17] <Riddell> is casper doing something?
[10:18] <mgraesslin> yofel: no
[10:18] <yofel> hm...
[10:18] <mgraesslin> kwin only disables if it crashes when trying to activate compositing
[10:18] <mgraesslin> but that never happens
[10:18] <mgraesslin> and if KWin disables because of that, there are more options written
[10:19] <mgraesslin> it's hard disabled somewhere in Kubuntu
[10:19] <mgraesslin> apachelogger did once an investigation
[10:19] <yofel> apachelogger: wake up
[10:24] <mgraesslin> yofel: it was something like Compiz tool told KWin to enable compositing, it crashed and that's why it's disabled on the live CD since 8.10
[10:26] <dmatt> hi, is there any reason language-selector-kde is not available for raring? http://packages.ubuntu.com/uk/raring/language-selector-kde
[10:29] <dmatt> I found it was removed http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.devel.changes.raring/5223 , i could not find any other module replacing it
[10:30] <yofel> dmatt: it was replaced by http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kde-runtime/view/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_langpack_install.diff
[10:31] <yofel> as language-selector-kde didn't work anymore after language-selector was ported to python3
[10:33] <yofel> mgraesslin: makes sense, it's just that I currently don't understand how the live session kwinrc is even created
[10:34] <smartboyhw> sorry
[10:34] <dmatt> yofel: thanks
[10:38] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[10:40] <yofel> Riddell, mgraesslin: ah, found it. ubiquity-dm force-disabled kwin compositing
[10:42] <yofel> Riddell: more specifically http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/view/head:/bin/ubiquity-dm line 522
[10:43] <xnox> yofel: which is a bit silly since the gtk frontend is "force-enabling" compositing for metacity for a long time now.
[10:43] <yofel> yeah
[10:45] <yofel> bug 285626
[10:45] <mgraesslin> 2008...
[10:52] <yofel> this is fun. I purge kwinrc, remove the code that disables compositing, and now I have a new setting block that sets compositing to XRender and GraphicsSystem to native
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: good detective work
[10:55] <yofel> anyway
[10:55]  * yofel -> lunch
[10:58] <mgraesslin> yofel: that sounds fine - fallback to XRender if OpenGL is not supported
[11:11]  * smartboyhw wonders has Riddell or yofel merged in his branch
[11:11] <Riddell> smartboyhw: stuck catching up on ubuntu-devel
[11:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I'll take a break and get onto yours
[11:12] <Riddell> smartboyhw: how did rekonq get on?
[11:12] <Riddell> ooh it's in, lovely
[11:12] <smartboyhw> Riddell, merged (with some stupid mistakes from me)
[11:24] <yofel> mgraesslin: ah ok, then I guess we only need to remove the code in ubiquity-dm and it'll work
[11:24] <mgraesslin> yofel: yes, hopefully
[11:24] <mgraesslin> at least KWin would then behave like everywhere else
[11:24] <mgraesslin> worst thing that can happen is KWin crashing, restarting and disabling OpenGL
[11:25] <mgraesslin> but that hasn't happened for a long time
[11:31] <Riddell> smartboyhw: you say "Merge from Debian experimental" but you don't say what the remaining changes are
[11:34] <Riddell> yofel: want me to do that?
[11:35] <yofel> Riddell: yes if you have the time
[11:39] <Quintasan> yofel: Did you fix it?
[11:39] <yofel> Riddell will, but we found the issue at least
[11:39] <Quintasan> Splendid.
[11:39] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/285626 was the reason for turning it off
[11:40] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: I can give you my redshift packaging if you really want
[11:40]  * Quintasan wonders why he did not upload that
[11:40] <yofel> Quintasan: if you're looking for work 4.10.1 has some
[11:41] <Quintasan> I'm looking for people to do my work I have not done yet :P
[11:41] <Riddell> erk 4.10.1, I forgot about that
[11:41]  * Riddell adds to the day's todo
[11:42] <Quintasan> yofel: Next time you HAVE to make me run the automation script at least once
[11:42] <Quintasan> because currently I have no idea how we do the preliminary packaging
[11:42] <yofel> uhm, sure. It's running the command, fixing what was moved to manual/ and uploading everything
[11:43] <Quintasan> I see
[11:43] <Quintasan> I need to do it at least once to remember it anyways
[11:43] <yofel> sure
[11:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, em really not much remaining changes.......
[11:52] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, what?
[11:52] <yofel> smartboyhw: the suggests would remain
[11:53] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[11:53] <Riddell> smartboyhw: well not much still needs to be listed in the changelog
[11:53] <Riddell> that's ubuntu policy
[11:55] <Quintasan> smartboyhw: Nothing. Never mind.
[12:13] <Riddell> smartboyhw: hmm quite a few http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-gtk-config-debian-ubuntu.diff
[12:14] <yofel> Riddell: what are you diffing against? 3:2.1.1-1~exp1ubuntu1 is in there too
[12:15] <Riddell> oh yes, let me fix
[12:16] <apachelogger> yofel: http://old.nabble.com/Raring-Alpha-2-Live-CD-does-not-enable-Compositing-td35028025.html
[12:16] <Riddell> that's better http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kde-gtk-config-debian-ubuntu.diff
[12:16] <apachelogger> took me 4 words to find :P
[12:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: but you've removed a load of the changelog history?
[12:17] <yofel> apachelogger: yeah well, nvm
[12:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I didn't....
[12:17]  * smartboyhw checks
[12:18] <apachelogger> murthy_: still on the todo
[12:18] <apachelogger> on the top of it though :P
[12:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, so what should I do now?
[12:21] <Riddell> smartboyhw: nothing, I'm about to upload :)
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL
[12:21] <smartboyhw> Quintasan, now: What redshift packaging you want me to do?
[12:22] <Quintasan> None
[12:23] <smartboyhw> OK so everybody is playing a trick on me:(
[12:24] <yofel> Riddell: btw. can we upload some version of user-manager before feature freeze? Or should we wait until it's out + FFE
[12:24] <Riddell> yofel: yeah let's get that uploaded
[12:24] <yofel> \o/
[12:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: no we're just being indecisive, not your fault!
[12:25] <Riddell> yofel: do you know if we have anything currently package-wise?
[12:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh
[12:26]  * smartboyhw spits out a ball of blood
[12:26] <yofel> only if those daily builds that shadeslayer and apachelogger were supposed to make work
[12:27]  * Riddell grabs from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[12:35] <Riddell> "Description: user management tool for the Plasma workspace"
[12:35] <Riddell> hmm we've gone from describing things as being for KDE to for Plasma?
[12:35] <Riddell> is that much better?
[12:36] <yofel> you could write Workspace, there's not much else that fits into upstream's current branding policy
[12:36] <yofel> as in KDE Workspace
[12:37] <yofel> but it's either that or plasma
[12:39] <Quintasan> Christ
[12:39] <Riddell> yofel: I wonder more thining that it's not KDE specific at all, but since it's a kcm I guess it is
[12:39] <Riddell> src/account.ui:         <string>Jhon Doe</string>
[12:39] <Quintasan> I can't update ktp for life of me from dailies
[12:39] <Riddell> afiestas: you know the US term is spelt "John Doe" ?
[12:39] <yofel> hm
[12:39] <Riddell> afiestas: how would you translate that into Spanish or Catalunian? cos I've no idea how to translate it into British English
[12:40] <Quintasan> like John Smith?
[12:40] <Quintasan> :P
[12:40] <Riddell> Quintasan: that might work
[12:41] <Riddell> although I object to putting a silent h in names, since so many English people want to call me John :)
[12:41] <Quintasan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Average_Joe
[12:41] <Quintasan> There you go
[12:43] <Riddell> yes, very US-centric term
[12:44] <Quintasan> Riddell: There is a list of variants in other countries :P
[12:44] <Quintasan> like Jan Kowalski in Polish
[12:45] <Riddell> ah, Joe Bloggs, that's a good British alternative
[12:46] <dantti_laptop> hi, is there a reason why qt5widgets does not have a -dev package? and no qt docs installed on raring(ie QtCreator doesn't show them anymore)?
[12:48] <Riddell> dantti_laptop: qtwidgets is qtbase5-dev no?
[12:48] <dantti_laptop> hmm let me install
[12:48] <dantti_laptop> this new naming scheme is quite confusing...
[12:49] <Riddell> it's just using upstream's names
[12:50] <dantti_laptop> ok, probably just need to get used
[12:51] <Riddell> qt docs I don't know about, would take some digging to work out what's changed I think
[12:52] <smartboyhw> Thanks Riddell for uploading:)
[12:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, some questions: 1. Is it that only ~kubuntu-members and ~ubuntu-core-devs can get to ~kubuntu-packagers and 2. How long (or how many packages) should I package before I try to apply for ~kubuntu-dev or MOTU?
[12:56] <yofel> smartboyhw: get in kubuntu-members first, and you can apply for ~kubuntu-dev as soon as you want and fill in the paperwork
[12:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, K
[12:56]  * smartboyhw waits for next Council meeting
[12:56] <yofel> smartboyhw: i.e. schedule one. Without a reason we don't have meetings
[12:56] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh..... (That could take years)
[12:57] <yofel> schedule == make a doodle page and send a mail to the list
[12:57] <yofel> and fill in the meeting page with your membership request
[12:58] <smartboyhw> yofel, well I won't even schedule one just because of my membership......
[12:59] <yofel> why not? 
[12:59] <yofel> actually
[12:59] <yofel> we could schedule it at the weekend after our mumble talk if you can round up enough KC members
[12:59] <smartboyhw> yofel, mumble talk = ?
[13:00] <yofel> smartboyhw: see ML, we wanted to have our own short meetup using mumble to discuss the whole rolling release thing
[13:00] <yofel> we just didn't schedule a time for it yet
[13:00] <smartboyhw> yofel, OK
[13:01] <smartboyhw> But then maybe my timezone doesn't fit
[13:01] <smartboyhw> And KC members are a priority
[13:02] <yofel> smartboyhw: sure, but it won't hurt to try
[13:05] <smartboyhw> yofel, you guys hold KC meetings in here or at #ubuntu-meeting?
[13:06] <yofel> #ubuntu-meeting, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Meetings
[13:16] <apachelogger> yofel: hm?
[13:16] <yofel> hm what?
[13:16] <smartboyhw> !?
[13:20] <Riddell> smartboyhw: !??
[13:20] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I'm !? at apachelogger's ping of yofel then you !?? !!?!?!
[13:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: I stole your packaging for user-config now in New queue
[13:20] <smartboyhw> lol
[13:22] <smartboyhw> yofel, the world's worst e-mail draft: http://paste.kde.org/687332/
[13:23] <Riddell> smartboyhw: looks good
[13:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, really?
[13:24] <yofel> ship it
[13:24] <yofel> er, send it
[13:25] <smartboyhw> Riddell + yofel , the doodle poll doesn't:P
[13:25] <Riddell> yofel: ssh that's the secret debian upload password!
[13:25] <yofel> well, it's not like this channel's logged >.>
[13:25] <yofel> :P
[13:26] <Riddell> phew
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[13:28] <smartboyhw> Email sent
[13:40] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[13:42] <smartboyhw> Hi BluesKaj 
[13:44] <ovidiu-florin> the first link in the status resulted in a error 400
[13:44] <ovidiu-florin> the link with the to do notes
[13:45] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, ?
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> http://notes.kde.org/kubuntu-ninjas does not work
[13:45] <ovidiu-florin> it says 400 Bad Request
[13:46] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: works for me
[13:46] <smartboyhw> ovidiu-florin, works for me
[13:47] <ovidiu-florin> weird
[13:47] <ovidiu-florin> I'll try cleaning my cache
[13:48] <ovidiu-florin> it works now
[13:48] <ovidiu-florin> thank's
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: neato
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: you mean user-manager though?
[13:53] <apachelogger> userconfig is what we have right now ^^
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: does it work yet?
[13:54] <apachelogger> tried it last week monday or so and it was not really doing anything for me ^^
[13:56] <BluesKaj> hi smartboyhw et al
[13:56] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: tldr mail
[13:58] <yofel> apachelogger: just fill in whether you're still awake at 7am and you're done
[13:58] <jussi> o/
[13:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: um yes that one
[14:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: seems to do the job
[14:00] <Riddell> ah but can't change user photo
[14:00] <Riddell> that's a pretty critical feature
[14:01] <yofel> afiestas said it'll be getting the missing features in time. Worst case we can always just stick to userconfig which should work again with the next pykde4 upload
[14:02] <Riddell> hum, my subscription to kubuntu-devel doesn't seem to be working
[14:02] <smartboyhw> Riddell, !?
[14:03] <Riddell> smartboyhw: your e-mail hasn't arrived
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, uh!?
[14:03]  * smartboyhw is surprised
[14:03] <smartboyhw> yofel, did you receive it?
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I have problems with ubuntu-devel :P
[14:03] <Riddell> it's in the archives
[14:03] <Riddell> so you sent it ok
[14:03] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[14:04] <yofel> it arrived here
[14:04] <smartboyhw> Riddell, hmm then
[14:04] <Riddell> ah ninjas build_status now lists lintian issues, that's explains all the yellow
[14:05] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:05] <Riddell> the trouble with some lintian issues is they're not a problem like old standards version but fixing them would make a diff compared to debian
[14:06] <smartboyhw> And more strangely, all lintian warnings apply to i386...
[14:06] <yofel> Riddell: that's why all the non-fat stuff is whitelisted
[14:07] <yofel> smartboyhw: they're only generated on i386
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Except some of them of course
[14:07] <Riddell> yofel: non-fat?
[14:08] <yofel> Riddell: only the  lintian warnings that are fat on the page make the package yellow
[14:08] <yofel> stuff like old standards version or so won't
[14:08] <yofel> Riddell: there's a lintian-ignore.json in the automation repo where that's set
[14:08] <Riddell> lovely
[14:08] <yofel> there's probably still some other things that can be whitelisted, I didn't read through all of them
[14:09] <shadeslayer> huzzah, I have a computer again
[14:10] <shadeslayer> but it's filled with some crap OS called OS X
[14:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where did it go?
[14:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: you do have a spare DVD lying around? :P
[14:10] <yofel> erm, shadeslayer ^
[14:10] <smartboyhw> yofel, no. Why
[14:10] <smartboyhw> ?
[14:10] <Riddell> why won't this nexus 7 charge?!
[14:10] <yofel> smartboyhw: shadeslayer's mac needs special care during install ^^
[14:11] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh
[14:11] <smartboyhw> No:P
[14:11] <shadeslayer> yofel: not anymore
[14:11] <yofel> oh?
[14:11] <shadeslayer> I can install from a USB now
[14:11] <shadeslayer> but
[14:11] <yofel> \o/
[14:12] <shadeslayer> my ISO is on a external HDD, which is with a friend who is going to come in another 30 mins :P
[14:12] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:13] <apachelogger> yofel: 7am?
[14:13] <apachelogger> what, UTC?
[14:13] <yofel> local
[14:13] <apachelogger> who holds meetings in the middle of the night :O
[14:13] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, LOL
[14:14] <shadeslayer> inorite
[14:14] <apachelogger> srsly, why 7am?
[14:14] <apachelogger> that's like way early
[14:14] <shadeslayer> wait
[14:15] <shadeslayer> 7 AM works fine for me xD
[14:15] <apachelogger> that's cuz you are in the future :P
[14:15]  * yofel can spare an hour before work or over the weekend at 7am ^^
[14:15] <shadeslayer> ain't that awesome
[14:15] <apachelogger> real developers work at night :P
[14:16] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:16] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I am one:p
[14:17] <shadeslayer> :'(
[14:17] <apachelogger> ah well
[14:17] <shadeslayer> I keep going to the top left of the screen to toggle that show windows effect
[14:17] <apachelogger> just call me if you don't get to a quorum :P
[14:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you are silly
[14:18] <smartboyhw> Why does membership meetings always don't have enough quorum!?
[14:18] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no this OS is silly
[14:18]  * smartboyhw remembers his Ubuntu DMB meeting...
[14:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: perhaps
[14:18] <apachelogger> so what I do not get
[14:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do you want the cost including shipping?
[14:19] <apachelogger> smartboyhw hangs around in european afternoons (us mornings) so why not have the meeting at such a time? :P
[14:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that's a good time....
[14:19] <shadeslayer> did people nominate people for KC?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, wait what time is it showing for you (in UTC)?
[14:19] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, until May I think
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: Quintasan was supposed to
[14:20] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 6 utc
[14:20] <shadeslayer> wat
[14:20] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, !?'
[14:20] <smartboyhw> ****
[14:20] <shadeslayer> you meant smartboyhw I guess
[14:20] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yeah
[14:21] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, apachelogger ignore that doodle
[14:21] <smartboyhw> THAT IS WRONG
[14:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: okay, I'll ask spacetime how much it costs
[14:21] <apachelogger> smartboyhw: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20130304T06
[14:21] <apachelogger> phew
[14:22]  * apachelogger dodged a bullet there
[14:22] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I actually set it to 14:00 HKT....
[14:22] <smartboyhw> DAMn
[14:22] <apachelogger> you shoudl be able to edit it I think
[14:22] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I didn't create a user account:P
[14:23] <apachelogger> 14 HKT is 6 UTC, no?
[14:23] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, I want to set 14 UTC...
[14:23] <apachelogger> AH
[14:24] <apachelogger> that makes more sense I guess
[14:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, check the email
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Should be correct
[14:24] <smartboyhw> Riddell, yofel shadeslayer ^
[14:24] <apachelogger> hm
[14:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, !?
[14:24] <apachelogger> that still looks wrng
[14:24] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, what the.....
[14:25] <apachelogger> also I can't change the timezone ^^
[14:25] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, sorry
[14:25] <apachelogger> the first doodle had a nice change timezone button on the top right
[14:25]  * smartboyhw really hates doodle
[14:26] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, http://doodle.com/gb9zc9hsb8vt7rbb ?
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Check it
[14:26] <smartboyhw> Is it working?
[14:26] <yofel> now that's better
[14:27] <smartboyhw> LOl
[14:27] <apachelogger> we finally arrived at 14 utc
[14:27] <apachelogger> 'o/
[14:27] <apachelogger> emotefail
[14:28] <smartboyhw> \o/
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Riddell, shadeslayer ^
[14:28] <smartboyhw> jussi, ^
[14:28] <smartboyhw> Darkwing, ^
[14:28] <smartboyhw> (LOL)
[14:28] <Riddell> what what?
[14:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, use irc nick please:P
[14:29] <smartboyhw> Riddell, the really working doodle time poll:P
[14:29] <apachelogger> I did
[14:29] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, that's because I edited it for you:P
[14:29] <smartboyhw> You used logger....
[14:30] <apachelogger> I know
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Who's Phillp? yofel right?
[14:30] <yofel> right
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Ok all weekends
[14:30] <smartboyhw> Saturday maybe?
[14:33] <yofel> we'll see tomorrow once the rest has filled in their times
[14:34] <yofel> ScottK, JontheEchidna ^
[14:34] <smartboyhw> Oops the topic is too hell long now:(
[14:37] <tsimpson> you probably didn't mean to quote it
[14:40] <smartboyhw> Riddell, strange. Ubuntu Studio just added Krita as their seeds. So if I got Calligra packaging wrong I am affecting two distros instead of one.... Hmm......................
[14:40] <yofel> that's true for other things already. e.g. edubuntu ships pieces of kdeedu
[14:41] <smartboyhw> yofel, and the trouble is: I'm directly one of the contributors of BOTH distros, which aren't good
[14:41] <yofel> ^^
[14:41] <smartboyhw> So if I get it wrong more people will come and KILL me
[14:42]  * smartboyhw hides
[14:42]  * smartboyhw yawns
[14:42]  * smartboyhw thinks
[14:42] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:42] <yofel> well, once you're ubuntu-dev people will have the official permission to do so
[14:42] <yofel> so get used to it :P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> yofel, uh oh:P
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: oh that's very cool
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, :)
[14:43] <Riddell> smartboyhw: default install from the CDs?
[14:43] <smartboyhw> and at the same time :( personally:P
[14:43] <smartboyhw> Riddell, s/CDs/DVDs/ but yep
[14:44] <Riddell> boud will be happy
[14:44] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:50] <shadeslayer> eh
[14:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it's showing 500 USD as the shipping cost, that can't be right :P
[14:50] <shadeslayer> trying to figure it out
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, XD
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you mean total!?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> no
[14:50] <shadeslayer> just the shipping cost
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, don't forget to vote:)
[14:50] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, !?
[14:51] <apachelogger> -1
[14:51] <shadeslayer> see http://www.hopshopgo.com/hopshopgo/start-register.do?l=en&c=IN and http://ppobox.com/
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: boud says krita needs Vc
[14:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, what are you exactly buying!?
[14:51] <apachelogger> what are we voting on?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> vote?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> I am not KC
[14:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you having it delivered via the moon? :P
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Vc !?
[14:51] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, the time of KC meeting duh:P
[14:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: xD
[14:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, I think you can still vote
[14:51]  * smartboyhw doesn't care
[14:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer doesn't matter
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: I don't know either
[14:51] <apachelogger> he's not council :P
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I will get to #krita then
[14:51] <shadeslayer> what apachelogger said
[14:51] <apachelogger> also he's lazy and apparently doesn't want to join the council
[14:51] <Riddell> * Vc  <http://code.compeng.uni-frankfurt.de/projects/vc> Portable, zero-overhead SIMD library for C++ Required by the Krita for vectorization
[14:51] <apachelogger> also
[14:51] <apachelogger> Quintasan: !!!!!!!!!!!!
[14:51] <Riddell> smartboyhw: #calligra
[14:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no one nominated me
[14:52] <smartboyhw> Riddell, OK
[14:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we can build without vc
[14:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, if I became member the first thing I would do is to nominate you....
[14:52] <shadeslayer> or
[14:52] <shadeslayer> well
[14:52] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, true
[14:52] <shadeslayer> just build with vc stuff on amd64 and arm
[14:52] <apachelogger> .....
[14:52] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:52] <shadeslayer> !arm
[14:52] <apachelogger> everyone wants to be nominated
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ...
[14:52] <apachelogger> ....
[14:53] <smartboyhw> .....
[14:53] <shadeslayer> .....
[14:53] <shadeslayer> aw
[14:53] <shadeslayer> I ruined it
[14:53] <apachelogger> I should nominate you all and then nominate myself and get elected just so that one of you doesn't get it
[14:53] <smartboyhw> Riddell, how to use Kubotu to issue a needs-packaging bug?
[14:53]  * apachelogger is totally pissed off by that attitude and goes for a walk
[14:53] <smartboyhw> apachelogger, bye bye
[14:53] <Riddell> kubotu: needspackaging vc
[14:54] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage Vc
[14:54] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help newpackage'
[14:54] <smartboyhw> LOL
[14:54] <Riddell> kubotu: newpackage Vc 0.7.0
[14:54] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1144539
[14:54] <Riddell> voila
[14:54] <smartboyhw> Riddell, voila
[15:01] <shadeslayer> okay this makes more sense
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://www.hopshopgo.com/hopshopgo/start-shiptrack.do
[15:02] <shadeslayer> shipping to india ( Standard ) will take about 25 USD
[15:02] <shadeslayer> or if you want me to get it really really fast, 30 USD :P
[15:02] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, :)
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Strange, the Freenode server I am on is actually a server named after James Cameron.....
[15:14] <Riddell> smartboyhw: maybe it's an avatar
[15:14] <smartboyhw> Riddell, LOL. BTW who manages the Kubuntu G+ page?
[15:16] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, see: I told you that 500USD or so should be total (LOL)
[15:16]  * smartboyhw wants a Nexus 7 too:P
[15:16] <Riddell> smartboyhw: mm I forget, a guy who came in here once and seemed friendly enough
[15:17] <smartboyhw> Riddell, who?
[15:17] <Riddell> smartboyhw: doesn't it say on the page somewhere?
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Riddell, I've closed the page anyway.... BTW you haven't voted...
[15:18] <smartboyhw> Here comes the community manager....
[15:27] <jussi> Riddell: apachelogger ScottK et al, please just make a meeting time. My brother will be here, but Ill try to make any "reasonable" time, but there arent any times I want to 100% commit to. 
[16:13] <jessie> Is there any way I can install the plasma-desktop debug symbols?
[16:14] <Riddell> kdebase isn't it?
[16:14] <Riddell> wait, that changed years ago
[16:14] <ScottK> Isn't it kde-workspace-dbg
[16:14] <Riddell> yes, kde-workspace-dbg
[16:14] <Riddell> I was having a relapse
[16:14] <ScottK> jessie: ^^^ install taht
[16:14] <ScottK> s/taht/that
[16:14] <jessie> I have that one installed and when plasma-desktop crashes, I get no debug info for it. :-|
[16:15] <shadeslayer> maybe it's missing something else?
[16:16] <jessie> That's possible, but when I click the "Install Debug Packages" in Dr. Konqi, it doesn't list any more packages as needing installation.
[16:16] <shadeslayer> hm
[16:33] <Riddell> it's been suggested to have a flavours session at UDS, should we?
[16:35] <mikhas> Hm, ice cream …
[16:35] <yofel> xubuntu planned a session https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/community-xubuntu-contingencies
[16:36] <yofel> do we need one during uds?
[16:36] <yofel> with only some of us taking part?
[16:36] <Riddell> yofel: dunno, it might be useful just to ee how well it works (or not)
[16:38] <yofel> well, then we can at least say we tried it
[16:48] <jono> Riddell, do you need any UDS sessions scheduling?
[16:49] <Riddell> jono: dunno we're still pondering
[16:49] <jono> Riddell, np, let me know if I can help with anything
[17:35] <Alex_Zion> hi everyone, O have some problem with Amarok , when I start it , it just start to use 94% of my CPU, just strarting it , without playing music....., amarok is getting better or worst !?! few months ago it was still usable actually ......
[17:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I think the only thing we have to talk about right now is contingencies for this rolling business.  I'd prefer we schedule something on our own (how about on Wednesday, Tuesday is bad for me) where we talk about it via mumble and stay away from this entire UDS thing.
[17:58] <ScottK> So Canonical is going to do their own X windows replacement too.
[17:58] <yofel> wait what?
[17:59] <ScottK> Read u-devel
[17:59] <ScottK> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec
[17:59] <shadeslayer> aye
[17:59] <yofel> fuuuuun
[17:59] <shadeslayer> I wonder if that's only for Ubuntu touch or all flavors/distros
[18:00] <ScottK> It's for Unity.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> including the desktop variant of Ubuntu
[18:00] <shadeslayer> hm
[18:00] <ScottK> So it's for all the Canonical desktop stuff.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> okay
[18:00] <ScottK> Which means that if we want X or Wayland, a year from now we have to maintain that too.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> I'm not sure whether this is good or bad or whatever
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ScottK: and what about touchscreen devices
[18:01] <ScottK> That's part of their convergence strategy, so I'm sure that's included too.
[18:01] <shadeslayer> no 
[18:01] <shadeslayer> I meant
[18:01] <shadeslayer> for us
[18:01] <ScottK> From the spec:
[18:01] <ScottK> April 2014
[18:01] <ScottK> Complete convergence across the form factors is achieved, with Mir serving as the carrier across form factors, powering a seamless transition between different use-cases and devices. 
[18:01] <ScottK> Hard to say.
[18:02] <yofel> unless upstream decides to support it I doubt it has much relevance for us
[18:02] <ScottK> My initial reaction is that we can fold our tent and go home now or a year from now, it's pretty inevitable.
[18:02] <shadeslayer> I guess we'll have to wait for mgrasselin to show up
[18:02] <yofel> even if qt5 will support it
[18:02] <ScottK> They are going to write stuff so that Qt5 does.
[18:02] <shadeslayer> yeah ^
[18:03] <shadeslayer> because they're switching unity to Qt5
[18:13] <esing> H
[18:14] <esing>  I want to migrate from arch (de: kde) to kubuntu; will my application configurations be migrated automatically by using my arch /home folder and just installing the programs new in kubuntu?
[20:15] <yofel> I think I'll run the backport script for 4.10.1 later hoping that kdenetwork and kstars will build fine in quantal
[20:51] <yofel> meh, calligra in backports is stuck in the build queue
[20:51]  * yofel re-uploads
[21:11] <evilshadeslayer> OS X is weird
[21:12] <evilshadeslayer> apparently you have to send the INFO signal to get the progress of dd
[21:12] <evilshadeslayer> unlike Linux where you send USR
[21:12] <evilshadeslayer> *USR1
[21:13] <jessie_> Silly BSDs.
[21:32] <yofel> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/client-1303-mir-converged
[21:32] <yofel> fun dependency tree a the bottom
[21:37] <ScottK> Yeah.
[21:50] <yofel> btw. I would appreciate a review of bug 1084730
[23:41] <yofel> there's #ubuntu-mir now btw.
[23:49]  * evilshadeslayer is back in linux land after 4 full days
[23:54] <yofel> lazr.restfulclient.errors.ServerError: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error
[23:54] <yofel> grrrrrrrr