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chilicuilwhy windows.microsoft.com prettier than ubuntu.com ? =(, omgubuntu.co.uk is prettier too07:15
smartboyhwlol07:16
bkerensachilicuil: OMGUbuntu is also responsive :)08:01
bkerensaUbuntu.com needs some responsiveness in its future :)08:01
chilicuilbkerensa: yeah, the webpage can be improved a lot, even the ubunconla looks better to my eyes: www.ubuconla.org08:03
bkerensachilicuil: I don't think Ubuntu.com's design looks bad... I just think it could use responsiveness so it displays nicely in all screen resolutions08:04
dholbachgood morning08:06
philipballewmorning dholbach08:07
chilicuilmorning08:07
smartboyhwAFTERNOON08:07
dholbachhi philipballew08:08
czajkowskialoha08:29
philipballewczajkowski, hello!08:31
smartboyhwczajkowski, are you actually from Hawaii?08:32
smartboyhwAloha BTW08:32
czajkowskismartboyhw: nope but it's a timezone friendly greeting and it's very me08:32
czajkowski:)08:32
smartboyhwczajkowski, LOL08:32
czajkowskiall my emails start off with it unless I'm pissed off :)08:32
smartboyhwlol08:33
philipballewHawaii sounds like a really nice place though08:36
philipballewIts like america, but nice weather08:36
* smartboyhw agrees08:36
philipballewsmartboyhw, where you from again>08:37
smartboyhwphilipballew, Hong Kong08:37
philipballewsmartboyhw, oh wow. Never been to asia. I should go08:37
smartboyhwphilipballew, :)08:38
philipballewis the food good? Thats my main consideration for going anywhere.08:38
smartboyhwphilipballew, VEWRY08:39
smartboyhws/VEWRY/VERY08:39
philipballewsmartboyhw, The  next time I have a spare thousand dollars ill have to consider it.08:39
* philipballew can say that because it will never happen08:40
philipballewczajkowski, I hope all is good?08:43
czajkowskimy inbox suggests it's going to be a busy day/week so should be fun08:44
smartboyhwphilipballew, LOL08:46
philipballewczajkowski, whatever makes you happy. :)08:46
czajkowskipretty much tbh :)08:46
popey /5209:05
popeybah¬09:05
popeydouble bah!09:05
* popey gets coffee and starts again09:05
* dholbach moves to another place to work - see you in a bit09:07
smartboyhwpopey, !?09:08
smartboyhwGUI!?09:17
smartboyhwhttps://www.kernel.org/09:17
smartboyhw.....09:17
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popeysmartboyhw: wut?09:31
smartboyhwpopey, new interface:P09:32
smartboyhwpopey, and for your bahs09:32
popeyGUI madness09:35
* popey needs to dig out his VT10109:35
smartboyhwpopey, .....09:36
czajkowskione of the strangest blog posts I've seen in a long while. http://worldofgnome.org/waka-waka-this-time-for-canonical/10:14
dholbachsomebody must have smoked too much crack10:17
czajkowskiindeed10:17
popeyNice picture of Shakira tho10:17
czajkowskiit's very odd10:17
czajkowskipost UGJ, LP is very busy, many questions and bugs filed against lP for ubuntu10:30
czajkowskithis morning has been spent re targeting them to the right place10:31
vibhavo/10:57
JoseeAntonioRdholbach: hey, mind a quick pm?11:06
dpmhi cjohnston, it seems you located where it's triggered, but do you think we could do something about the "Oh, bugger" issue? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/106744212:40
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1067442 in summit ""Oh bugger!" message after scheduling a session" [Undecided,New]12:40
dpmit's becoming increasingly a pain now that we're scheduling all of our sessions manually12:40
cjohnstondpm: are you able to reproduce the error? I've never seen it myself13:57
dpmcjohnston, I've updated the description: I can reproduce it every time with Firefox13:58
dpmand very occasionally with Chromium13:58
cjohnstondpm: could we do a hangout and a screen share so that I can watch what your doing please?13:58
dpmcjohnston, I'm about to enter a call in 5 minutes, perhaps after that?13:58
cjohnstondpm: maybe ~one hour? I have a call in 3013:59
cjohnstonDaviey: do you know anything else about that bug? I wonder if its something that maybe we could make more descriptive14:03
cjohnstonor if it is a generic error14:04
Davieycjohnston: it's a generic error, i was just listing the common one i used to come across14:06
cjohnstonok14:08
AlanBellI think we would like an IRC team UDS session on the wednesday in the community track if that is going to be possible14:19
AlanBellwe don't really have much of a specific agenda for it, but we have been meaning to have a meeting via hangouts for some time and there has been some support for doing a UDS session14:20
cjohnstondpm: I can go whenever you are ready14:42
smartboyhwjcastro, what lightning talks do we have now?14:59
smartboyhwAnd why do I see two in the wiki?14:59
jcastrothere's one for the crash database15:00
jcastrobut they're 5 minutes each so we have a ton of room for more15:00
smartboyhwjcastro, when is the time for them?15:03
jcastrohttp://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/2013-03-06/15:03
jcastrooh15:03
jcastroI need to schedule the block, give me a sec15:04
jcastrook refresh15:05
smartboyhwUh oh sleeping time15:05
dpmcjohnston, I might have to leave it for later on in the day, I've got caught up with other work. Sorry for pinging you and then going away :/15:08
cjohnstondpm: im around, just let me know15:09
dpmthanks cjohnston15:09
jonodholbach, jcastro, dpm, mhall119, balloons hey15:18
jonoso where do you guys stand on session scheduling?15:18
jonohow complete are you?15:18
balloonsknee-deep15:18
dholbachjono, done15:18
jonoballoons, ok, please get this completed ASAP15:19
jcastrojono: all done, just one plenary left.15:19
jonodholbach, thanks15:19
jonojcastro, thanks, how about lightning talks?15:19
balloonsjono, yes, will be done asap today15:19
jcastrojono: there's one so far, but those usually fill up quickly15:19
jonothanks balloons15:19
jonojcastro, could you blog about it today?15:20
jcastrowe never really did scheduling of lightning talks before15:20
mhall119dholbach: there are community track sessions in the foundations room, was that intentional?15:20
jonoto help get people queued up15:20
jcastroI sent a mail out to -devel about it15:20
dholbachmhall119, erm - I don't know how they ended up there - let me check15:20
jonojcastro, right, but we never really did online UDS before ;-)15:20
jcastroI can get a blog out after my charm call with Mark15:20
jonojcastro, btw, Adobo was *awesome*15:20
jcastroaka. I am all yours in 1.5 hours15:20
jonothanks jcastro15:20
jcastrogood, glad it turned out ok, I've never used it as a rub before, I was anxious15:21
dpmjono, all the appdev sessions we discussed are scheduled, but I've got some spare slots and I'm going to try to get some more community participation today15:21
dholbachmhall119, wow - I'll find out who scheduled them -toolchain in "community" sounds ... interesting, fresh and new - but maybe a bit wrong as well15:21
jonothanks dpm15:21
mhall119dholbach: it sould have been slangasek doing them before we added the foundations track15:22
mhall119s/sould/could/15:22
dholbachmhall119, yeah, but the title of the BP sounds wrong already :)15:22
dholbachmhall119, community-1303-plusone-maintenance looks like a mix of community and foundations somehow15:24
dholbachbut toolchain looks wrong15:25
smartboyhwTo jono one suggestion: If you guys are going to implement rolling releases, it would be a good idea to implement a physical UDS per year...15:26
mhall119smartboyhw: why per year, when LTSs will still be every 2 years?15:27
smartboyhwmhall119, or maybe 2 years.15:27
smartboyhw1 year is better I think15:27
mhall119dholbach: are you saying we need engineers or something for toolchain work?15:27
mhall119smartboyhw: I'd rather we figure out how to make online UDS as productive as physical ones, and do them much more frequently15:28
dholbachmhall119, no, I think it was a misunderstanding15:28
smartboyhwmhall119, how about 2 years really?15:28
mhall119smartboyhw: what would be the benefit of a physical UDS every 2 years that we can't get from virtual UDS every 3 months/15:31
mhall119?15:31
smartboyhwmhall119, well you see. After a release an UDS isn't just simply well planning. It is also celebration....15:32
jonosmartboyhw, I see the UDSs and rolling release as orthogonal entities15:33
smartboyhwuh huh15:33
jonobut I do see LTSs as planning milestones15:33
mhall119it's too small to be a celebration, only a fraction of the community got to be there15:33
jonoso I don't see why a yearly UDS is needed15:33
jonobut I do see how we need to plan for LTSs15:34
jonoI am just not sure if a physical event is required15:34
jonowho knows, lets see how the online events go15:34
smartboyhwjono, mhall119 Ok........15:34
* smartboyhw really doesn't like having entirely NO physical UDSes....15:34
jonosmartboyhw, why?15:34
smartboyhwjono, difficult to explain, sort of an inter-personal relationship thing15:35
mhall119smartboyhw: anybody who got to go will certainly miss it, but the question is whether or not they were more useful and beneficial than more frequent online ones15:35
jonosmartboyhw, bear in mind that those folks who can't attend a physical UDS don't get that opportunity for an inter-personal relationship15:35
jonosmartboyhw, I am not denying the benefits of face-to-face time15:35
smartboyhwjono, mhall119 another thing is that you shouldn't leave such a short gap (2 days) between the new UDS annoucement and the rolling release thing15:36
smartboyhwIt is difficult for the community to adopt.....15:36
jonobut the question is whether face-to-face time for the few is more desirable than accessiblilty and transparancy for the many15:36
jonosmartboyhw, the rolling release thing is a proposal15:36
jonothats all15:36
jononothing is cast in stone15:36
jonoso again, I see those as orthogonal15:36
mhall119smartboyhw: the announcements are all made now, the short timeframe was a once-off thing15:36
jonoand also, we wanted to announce the proposal *before* UDS so people can discuss it there15:36
jonomhall119, we don't have time to wait around15:36
jonowe need to make Ubuntu successful now while we have the convergent opportunity15:37
jonoif we sit around waiting MS or Apple might beat us to it15:37
smartboyhwjono, and you guys should at least push out 13.04, try if deleting 13.10 works and then fully implement it for 14.0415:38
smartboyhw1 MONTH doesn't hurt....15:38
jonosmartboyhw, you should make your feedback known on ubuntu-devel15:39
smartboyhwjono, I will make my point tmr on a blog post...15:39
smartboyhwTo Planet Ubuntu15:39
jonosmartboyhw, I think our engineers would have their time better spent on building a rolling release rather than maintaining a release that few people tend to use15:39
jonosmartboyhw, I saw it15:39
jonoand I responded to it15:39
jonosmartboyhw, but I am saying that you should participate in the discussion on ubuntu-devel15:39
jonothat is where the community is discussing how we move forward15:40
smartboyhwjono, 1. that's a new one and 2. I'll post the blog post to ubuntu-devel15:40
smartboyhws/that's/that is going to be/15:41
jonosmartboyhw, cool15:41
jono:-)15:41
jonosmartboyhw, I want to make sure you can get your feedback to the right people15:41
jonoI don't make any decisions around the release process, so this is why I recommend ubuntu-devel15:41
smartboyhwAnyway, good night to the Canonical Community Team et. al.15:42
jonoand joining the rolling release proposal sessions15:42
jcastrohttp://everytimezone.com/15:49
jcastro^^^ if anyone needs a time zone conversion thing for UDS15:49
jcastroit's basically ninja15:49
mhall119we should probably look again at making managed user profiles with timezone conversion again, now that we're going virtual15:50
SergioMenesesjcastro, thanks a lot!15:52
dakermhall119: my UGJ http://i.imgur.com/we8oesT.png16:11
mhall119daker: oh? what is this?16:12
dakermhall119: recurrent events for LTP16:13
mhall119oh, nice!  How are you going to store that in the database?16:13
dakermhall119: each event has a set of occurrences and i use rrule from dateutil package16:15
jonojcastro, can you schedule Robbie for the first plenary tomorrow16:23
jonohe will do a Cloud Keynote16:23
jcastrosure16:23
jcastrothat books us up16:23
AlanBellfor an IRC team session should I propose a blueprint?16:23
jonothanks jcastro16:24
jonoAlanBell, absolutely :-)16:24
jonoAlanBell, propose it and I will get it scheduled for you today16:24
jonowell, scheduled today for UDS this week16:24
jonolol16:24
dholbachjcastro, for the plenaries - will there be someone to relay questions from #ubuntu-on-air or something?16:25
jcastroI was assuming that would be me16:26
jonoyeah, jcastro can do tht16:27
jcastroit beats running around!16:28
AlanBellhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1303-irc-team16:28
dholbachthanks jcastro16:29
dholbachAlanBell: accepted the irc team session - any preferred slot?16:34
AlanBellwednesday, any time dholbach if possible16:37
jonodholbach, thanks for taking care of this16:41
dholbachjono, no worries16:41
jonoJoseeAntonioR, do we have a session scheduled at UDS for Ubuntu On Air?16:48
cjohnstonJoseeAntonioR: ping16:50
dholbachAlanBell, wednesday 14 utc?16:52
jcastro<-- lunch, bbi ~3017:06
AlanBellcool, thanks dholbach17:16
SergioMeneseshi all!17:27
knomejono, how is canonical going to evaluate how the new format of uds worked?17:28
knomejono, if it's a survey and you are doing it, i'm reminding you that there are still people in the community who are willing to help on crafting the survey to be able to get the most out of it17:29
jonoknome, yeah, I think we will work on a survey, but also just see how well the sessions run and how many issues people run into17:39
knomeare you talking about technical issues?17:39
knomesince the point is to be accessible, it would be good to know how people think the change in the format advances it17:40
knomeand it would be very useful to see how the results differ inside different groups like "canonical employees", "subcontractors" and "community members"17:41
mhall119knome: we always run a survey after UDS that asks for evaluations of the process and tools17:42
knomemhall119, that's good to hear17:44
knomemhall119, it would be great to see some correlated data, not just a data dump of every question separately17:45
knomemhall119, in that sense, i think one of the most interesting aspect would be how different groups in the community/canonical generally experiences the change, as i mentioned before17:47
mhall119knome: that gets a little blurry17:53
knomehow does it get blurry? you will still get the results from different questions separately17:54
knomeyou only need to ask to which group(s) somebody belongs and correlate that question with other questions17:54
mhall119knome: I mean it's blurry whether a person is there as canonical or as community17:56
knomemhall119, if they have multiple hats on, they should be able to pick multiple groups17:57
mhall119and there are people like me, who's job is to be community17:58
knomei can't see how that makes it blurry17:58
mhall119then there are canonical folks who attend UDS for reasons outside of their job17:58
knomethen it should be specified that they should answer based on that - if they are attending uds as community members, they should pick that option.18:00
knomeanother possibly interesting aspect is how people from different continents experience the new format; how easy it is to adjust their schedules accordingly, does the change in the format make it easier or harder to attend, can they minimize the distractions at the given day of time to be able to focus on the sessions enough (that's interesting even without the continent-correlation), ...18:04
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: pong18:08
cjohnstonJoseeAntonioR: I have a bug that you should be able to do pretty easily18:08
JoseeAntonioRjono: we don't have a session for ubuntu on air up to now, but I'd still need to confirm if I'll be assisting, school gives me a response tomorrow morning18:08
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: go for it18:08
jonoJoseeAntonioR, no worries, I will schedule something18:09
cjohnstonJoseeAntonioR: bug #114475718:09
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1144757 in Summit "Identify removed sessions on the meeting page" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/114475718:09
JoseeAntonioRso, what's to be done in there?18:10
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: how can I fetch the status of a meeting to check if it's removed?18:15
JoseeAntonioRif I get that, I can do an if18:15
cjohnstonmeeting.aoorived18:15
cjohnstonapproved18:15
JoseeAntonioRso, if meeting.approved show page, else show message18:16
cjohnstonno18:17
dholbachall right - I'll see you tomorrow! :)18:18
cjohnstonon a meeting page you have a meeting title, right?18:18
cjohnstonbelow the navigation links18:18
elfydholbach: before you run off - you want UDS on forum?18:19
dholbachelfy, ah yes, that might be good18:19
dholbachhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-February/001018.html should have the relevant info18:20
elfyokey doke18:20
dholbachthanksssssssssssss18:21
elfydoing it - will be done when you wake up :p18:22
cjohnstonJoseeAntonioR: look at the bug again18:22
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: sure, one sec18:22
elfydholbach: done now even18:25
dholbachthanks a bunch elfy!18:26
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: mind giving me a couple minutes? need to package some things urgently18:27
cjohnstonk18:27
AlanBell"Application authors relying on Qt/QML, GTK3, XUL etc. should be prevented from any sort of porting effort and we will work on providing Mir integration for the most prominent toolkit choices."18:28
AlanBellprevented??18:28
AlanBellI think someone has used the wrong word there, but I can't quite see what was intended18:28
AlanBellhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec18:29
* popey passes that on18:29
AlanBellta18:29
DavieyYeah, reusing the term MIR is not helpful18:31
jcastroDaviey: I look forward to the MIR for Mir.18:33
mhall119AlanBell: I think it means we shouldn't make app-authors port their code, we should be working to make their toolkit portable instead18:33
popeyfixed AlanBell18:33
AlanBellah, that makes more sense18:34
AlanBellI was thinking "protected from" might have been what they were trying to say18:35
Davieyjcastro: hah.. Mind you, maybe ArchiveReorg will be done by then18:35
Daviey:)18:35
jcastroDaviey: LETS NOT GET CRAZY.18:37
* AlanBell looks forward to activating the Mir cube with wobbly windows18:39
* popey waves goodbye to compiz18:39
AlanBellas long as the CPU isn't pushing pixels I am cool with it18:40
AlanBelland text tracking zoom is I am sure designed into this18:41
AlanBelldrop shadows done by dropping a shadow \o/18:42
jcastrohas unity-lens-photo been a crashy pos for anyone the past few days?18:44
jcastroor just me?18:44
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: is summit.name a defined value?19:09
cjohnstonit might not be summit.name, i dont know what it is, look in the summitmodel.py19:09
jcastrobest comment ever19:15
jcastroI agree. This is why I dislike Ubuntu. It constantly tries to appeal to Mac and Windows users.19:15
* pleia2 wonders who it's supposed to be appealing to19:16
cjohnstonaliens!19:17
pleia2dinosaurs!19:17
cjohnstoni was about to say that19:17
jcastropluit could be alien dinosaurs19:19
jcastroAlanBell: I lost my buffer from the weekend19:22
jcastrowhat was the TLDR on that test conversion you did?19:22
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: I'm going to test the changes I've done now19:32
JoseeAntonioRI'm setting up the env19:33
cprofittDoes anyone know if will quickly be moving forward or will something be replacing it?19:33
cjohnstonslowly19:34
cprofittit uses Glade and GTK though currently; correct?19:35
JoseeAntonioRcjohnston: there's no actions bonx19:40
JoseeAntonioRbox*19:40
cjohnston?19:41
cprofittcjohnston: was that ? for me?19:49
cjohnstoncprofitt: no19:50
cprofittk19:50
cjohnstonthe slowly wsa thought... ;-)19:50
cprofittI thought so :)19:50
JanCAlanBell: I'd suggest "relieved from" instead of "prevented from" or "protected from"  (although I think it would be even better to completely rephrase that sentence...)20:07
AlanBellit has been20:08
JanCI didn't read the whole article yet  ☺20:09
AlanBellcprofitt: quickly itself is rather agnostic, but it has templates to make pygtk applications at the moment, I guess it needs new templates20:10
AlanBellmight need a bit more if we invent a new packaging spec next20:10
JanCMir might not be the best name for a new open source project BTW: it's already used by e.g. the MirOS BSD project (and several subprojects of it)20:23
cprofittthanks AlanBell20:40
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jcastrojono: dude forget that lambo car, check this out: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/aston-martin-reveals-3-000-baby-stroller-article-1.127570321:03
jonojcastro, that is nuts21:04
AlanBellsoon to be covered in really posh vomit21:04
jcastrojill sent me the link21:04
czajkowskijono: can we schedule a CC session at UDS please for as late as possible on the wednesday please21:04
jcastroI wonder if she's trying to say something21:04
jonoczajkowski, sure, one sec21:04
jonoczajkowski, 6.15pm UTC work?21:05
czajkowskianything later21:06
czajkowskitrying to get the USA folks on the CC on there as well21:06
jonoczajkowski, that is the latest slot21:12
jonowe only have earlier21:12
czajkowskiok will take that so21:12
czajkowskithanks21:12
jonoczajkowski, can you file a BP for it?21:12
czajkowskipleia2: cprofitt ^^21:12
czajkowskiI thought we dont need BPs to have sessions any more?21:13
jonoand name it community-1303-community-council21:13
jonoczajkowski, how will you track the work items?21:13
czajkowskiwe usually just talk about feedback from the community21:13
czajkowskithis is what we've done for the last two UDS21:13
czajkowskigranted one session was on the revision of the CoC we just used the etherpad21:13
jonoczajkowski, right, but I assume there are work items from that review?21:14
czajkowskiI'll create it21:14
czajkowskione tick21:14
jonothanks czajkowski21:14
jonoand then I will schedule it for you21:14
czajkowskigreat thanks21:14
jonothanks czajkowski21:15
cprofittczajkowski: I am scheduled to be in the Ubuntu Friendly session at the same time on Wednesday21:20
czajkowskiI'm due to be at a training session :/21:20
czajkowskiwill take notes for you cprofitt21:21
cprofittthanks czajkowski21:21
czajkowskijono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1303-community-council21:22
cprofittthanks for doing that czajkowski21:25
czajkowskinp21:25
jonothanks czajkowski21:32
jonoballoons, I had to move your session Wed at the end22:00
jonoI promised czajkowski that slot :-)22:00
balloonsjono :-) hmm22:00
balloonscan you swap me with one of the 1400 slots on weds?22:02
jonoballoons, check wed now22:03
jonodoes that work?22:03
balloonsjono, yes ty sir22:05
jonoballoons, np22:07
jcastrojono: with the google support thing we can do more than 10 people in a hangout right?23:06
SergioMenesesjcastro, I think 9, but Im not sure23:14

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