=== cjohnston_ is now known as cjohnston === C0nfus3d is now known as IAmNotThatGuy [07:15] why windows.microsoft.com prettier than ubuntu.com ? =(, omgubuntu.co.uk is prettier too [07:16] lol [08:01] chilicuil: OMGUbuntu is also responsive :) [08:01] Ubuntu.com needs some responsiveness in its future :) [08:03] bkerensa: yeah, the webpage can be improved a lot, even the ubunconla looks better to my eyes: www.ubuconla.org [08:04] chilicuil: I don't think Ubuntu.com's design looks bad... I just think it could use responsiveness so it displays nicely in all screen resolutions [08:06] good morning [08:07] morning dholbach [08:07] morning [08:07] AFTERNOON [08:08] hi philipballew [08:29] aloha [08:31] czajkowski, hello! [08:32] czajkowski, are you actually from Hawaii? [08:32] Aloha BTW [08:32] smartboyhw: nope but it's a timezone friendly greeting and it's very me [08:32] :) [08:32] czajkowski, LOL [08:32] all my emails start off with it unless I'm pissed off :) [08:33] lol [08:36] Hawaii sounds like a really nice place though [08:36] Its like america, but nice weather [08:36] * smartboyhw agrees [08:37] smartboyhw, where you from again> [08:37] philipballew, Hong Kong [08:37] smartboyhw, oh wow. Never been to asia. I should go [08:38] philipballew, :) [08:38] is the food good? Thats my main consideration for going anywhere. [08:39] philipballew, VEWRY [08:39] s/VEWRY/VERY [08:39] smartboyhw, The next time I have a spare thousand dollars ill have to consider it. [08:40] * philipballew can say that because it will never happen [08:43] czajkowski, I hope all is good? [08:44] my inbox suggests it's going to be a busy day/week so should be fun [08:46] philipballew, LOL [08:46] czajkowski, whatever makes you happy. :) [08:46] pretty much tbh :) [09:05] /52 [09:05] bah¬ [09:05] double bah! [09:05] * popey gets coffee and starts again [09:07] * dholbach moves to another place to work - see you in a bit [09:08] popey, !? [09:17] GUI!? [09:17] https://www.kernel.org/ [09:17] ..... === zequence_ is now known as zequence [09:31] smartboyhw: wut? [09:32] popey, new interface:P [09:32] popey, and for your bahs [09:35] GUI madness [09:35] * popey needs to dig out his VT101 [09:36] popey, ..... [10:14] one of the strangest blog posts I've seen in a long while. http://worldofgnome.org/waka-waka-this-time-for-canonical/ [10:17] somebody must have smoked too much crack [10:17] indeed [10:17] Nice picture of Shakira tho [10:17] it's very odd [10:30] post UGJ, LP is very busy, many questions and bugs filed against lP for ubuntu [10:31] this morning has been spent re targeting them to the right place [10:57] o/ [11:06] dholbach: hey, mind a quick pm? [12:40] hi cjohnston, it seems you located where it's triggered, but do you think we could do something about the "Oh, bugger" issue? -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/summit/+bug/1067442 [12:40] Launchpad bug 1067442 in summit ""Oh bugger!" message after scheduling a session" [Undecided,New] [12:40] it's becoming increasingly a pain now that we're scheduling all of our sessions manually [13:57] dpm: are you able to reproduce the error? I've never seen it myself [13:58] cjohnston, I've updated the description: I can reproduce it every time with Firefox [13:58] and very occasionally with Chromium [13:58] dpm: could we do a hangout and a screen share so that I can watch what your doing please? [13:58] cjohnston, I'm about to enter a call in 5 minutes, perhaps after that? [13:59] dpm: maybe ~one hour? I have a call in 30 [14:03] Daviey: do you know anything else about that bug? I wonder if its something that maybe we could make more descriptive [14:04] or if it is a generic error [14:06] cjohnston: it's a generic error, i was just listing the common one i used to come across [14:08] ok [14:19] I think we would like an IRC team UDS session on the wednesday in the community track if that is going to be possible [14:20] we don't really have much of a specific agenda for it, but we have been meaning to have a meeting via hangouts for some time and there has been some support for doing a UDS session [14:42] dpm: I can go whenever you are ready [14:59] jcastro, what lightning talks do we have now? [14:59] And why do I see two in the wiki? [15:00] there's one for the crash database [15:00] but they're 5 minutes each so we have a ton of room for more [15:03] jcastro, when is the time for them? [15:03] http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-1303/2013-03-06/ [15:03] oh [15:04] I need to schedule the block, give me a sec [15:05] ok refresh [15:05] Uh oh sleeping time [15:08] cjohnston, I might have to leave it for later on in the day, I've got caught up with other work. Sorry for pinging you and then going away :/ [15:09] dpm: im around, just let me know [15:09] thanks cjohnston [15:18] dholbach, jcastro, dpm, mhall119, balloons hey [15:18] so where do you guys stand on session scheduling? [15:18] how complete are you? [15:18] knee-deep [15:18] jono, done [15:19] balloons, ok, please get this completed ASAP [15:19] jono: all done, just one plenary left. [15:19] dholbach, thanks [15:19] jcastro, thanks, how about lightning talks? [15:19] jono, yes, will be done asap today [15:19] jono: there's one so far, but those usually fill up quickly [15:19] thanks balloons [15:20] jcastro, could you blog about it today? [15:20] we never really did scheduling of lightning talks before [15:20] dholbach: there are community track sessions in the foundations room, was that intentional? [15:20] to help get people queued up [15:20] I sent a mail out to -devel about it [15:20] mhall119, erm - I don't know how they ended up there - let me check [15:20] jcastro, right, but we never really did online UDS before ;-) [15:20] I can get a blog out after my charm call with Mark [15:20] jcastro, btw, Adobo was *awesome* [15:20] aka. I am all yours in 1.5 hours [15:20] thanks jcastro [15:21] good, glad it turned out ok, I've never used it as a rub before, I was anxious [15:21] jono, all the appdev sessions we discussed are scheduled, but I've got some spare slots and I'm going to try to get some more community participation today [15:21] mhall119, wow - I'll find out who scheduled them -toolchain in "community" sounds ... interesting, fresh and new - but maybe a bit wrong as well [15:21] thanks dpm [15:22] dholbach: it sould have been slangasek doing them before we added the foundations track [15:22] s/sould/could/ [15:22] mhall119, yeah, but the title of the BP sounds wrong already :) [15:24] mhall119, community-1303-plusone-maintenance looks like a mix of community and foundations somehow [15:25] but toolchain looks wrong [15:26] To jono one suggestion: If you guys are going to implement rolling releases, it would be a good idea to implement a physical UDS per year... [15:27] smartboyhw: why per year, when LTSs will still be every 2 years? [15:27] mhall119, or maybe 2 years. [15:27] 1 year is better I think [15:27] dholbach: are you saying we need engineers or something for toolchain work? [15:28] smartboyhw: I'd rather we figure out how to make online UDS as productive as physical ones, and do them much more frequently [15:28] mhall119, no, I think it was a misunderstanding [15:28] mhall119, how about 2 years really? [15:31] smartboyhw: what would be the benefit of a physical UDS every 2 years that we can't get from virtual UDS every 3 months/ [15:31] ? [15:32] mhall119, well you see. After a release an UDS isn't just simply well planning. It is also celebration.... [15:33] smartboyhw, I see the UDSs and rolling release as orthogonal entities [15:33] uh huh [15:33] but I do see LTSs as planning milestones [15:33] it's too small to be a celebration, only a fraction of the community got to be there [15:33] so I don't see why a yearly UDS is needed [15:34] but I do see how we need to plan for LTSs [15:34] I am just not sure if a physical event is required [15:34] who knows, lets see how the online events go [15:34] jono, mhall119 Ok........ [15:34] * smartboyhw really doesn't like having entirely NO physical UDSes.... [15:34] smartboyhw, why? [15:35] jono, difficult to explain, sort of an inter-personal relationship thing [15:35] smartboyhw: anybody who got to go will certainly miss it, but the question is whether or not they were more useful and beneficial than more frequent online ones [15:35] smartboyhw, bear in mind that those folks who can't attend a physical UDS don't get that opportunity for an inter-personal relationship [15:35] smartboyhw, I am not denying the benefits of face-to-face time [15:36] jono, mhall119 another thing is that you shouldn't leave such a short gap (2 days) between the new UDS annoucement and the rolling release thing [15:36] It is difficult for the community to adopt..... [15:36] but the question is whether face-to-face time for the few is more desirable than accessiblilty and transparancy for the many [15:36] smartboyhw, the rolling release thing is a proposal [15:36] thats all [15:36] nothing is cast in stone [15:36] so again, I see those as orthogonal [15:36] smartboyhw: the announcements are all made now, the short timeframe was a once-off thing [15:36] and also, we wanted to announce the proposal *before* UDS so people can discuss it there [15:36] mhall119, we don't have time to wait around [15:37] we need to make Ubuntu successful now while we have the convergent opportunity [15:37] if we sit around waiting MS or Apple might beat us to it [15:38] jono, and you guys should at least push out 13.04, try if deleting 13.10 works and then fully implement it for 14.04 [15:38] 1 MONTH doesn't hurt.... [15:39] smartboyhw, you should make your feedback known on ubuntu-devel [15:39] jono, I will make my point tmr on a blog post... [15:39] To Planet Ubuntu [15:39] smartboyhw, I think our engineers would have their time better spent on building a rolling release rather than maintaining a release that few people tend to use [15:39] smartboyhw, I saw it [15:39] and I responded to it [15:39] smartboyhw, but I am saying that you should participate in the discussion on ubuntu-devel [15:40] that is where the community is discussing how we move forward [15:40] jono, 1. that's a new one and 2. I'll post the blog post to ubuntu-devel [15:41] s/that's/that is going to be/ [15:41] smartboyhw, cool [15:41] :-) [15:41] smartboyhw, I want to make sure you can get your feedback to the right people [15:41] I don't make any decisions around the release process, so this is why I recommend ubuntu-devel [15:42] Anyway, good night to the Canonical Community Team et. al. [15:42] and joining the rolling release proposal sessions [15:49] http://everytimezone.com/ [15:49] ^^^ if anyone needs a time zone conversion thing for UDS [15:49] it's basically ninja [15:50] we should probably look again at making managed user profiles with timezone conversion again, now that we're going virtual [15:52] jcastro, thanks a lot! [16:11] mhall119: my UGJ http://i.imgur.com/we8oesT.png [16:12] daker: oh? what is this? [16:13] mhall119: recurrent events for LTP [16:13] oh, nice! How are you going to store that in the database? [16:15] mhall119: each event has a set of occurrences and i use rrule from dateutil package [16:23] jcastro, can you schedule Robbie for the first plenary tomorrow [16:23] he will do a Cloud Keynote [16:23] sure [16:23] that books us up [16:23] for an IRC team session should I propose a blueprint? [16:24] thanks jcastro [16:24] AlanBell, absolutely :-) [16:24] AlanBell, propose it and I will get it scheduled for you today [16:24] well, scheduled today for UDS this week [16:24] lol [16:25] jcastro, for the plenaries - will there be someone to relay questions from #ubuntu-on-air or something? [16:26] I was assuming that would be me [16:27] yeah, jcastro can do tht [16:28] it beats running around! [16:28] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1303-irc-team [16:29] thanks jcastro [16:34] AlanBell: accepted the irc team session - any preferred slot? [16:37] wednesday, any time dholbach if possible [16:41] dholbach, thanks for taking care of this [16:41] jono, no worries [16:48] JoseeAntonioR, do we have a session scheduled at UDS for Ubuntu On Air? [16:50] JoseeAntonioR: ping [16:52] AlanBell, wednesday 14 utc? [17:06] <-- lunch, bbi ~30 [17:16] cool, thanks dholbach [17:27] hi all! [17:28] jono, how is canonical going to evaluate how the new format of uds worked? [17:29] jono, if it's a survey and you are doing it, i'm reminding you that there are still people in the community who are willing to help on crafting the survey to be able to get the most out of it [17:39] knome, yeah, I think we will work on a survey, but also just see how well the sessions run and how many issues people run into [17:39] are you talking about technical issues? [17:40] since the point is to be accessible, it would be good to know how people think the change in the format advances it [17:41] and it would be very useful to see how the results differ inside different groups like "canonical employees", "subcontractors" and "community members" [17:42] knome: we always run a survey after UDS that asks for evaluations of the process and tools [17:44] mhall119, that's good to hear [17:45] mhall119, it would be great to see some correlated data, not just a data dump of every question separately [17:47] mhall119, in that sense, i think one of the most interesting aspect would be how different groups in the community/canonical generally experiences the change, as i mentioned before [17:53] knome: that gets a little blurry [17:54] how does it get blurry? you will still get the results from different questions separately [17:54] you only need to ask to which group(s) somebody belongs and correlate that question with other questions [17:56] knome: I mean it's blurry whether a person is there as canonical or as community [17:57] mhall119, if they have multiple hats on, they should be able to pick multiple groups [17:58] and there are people like me, who's job is to be community [17:58] i can't see how that makes it blurry [17:58] then there are canonical folks who attend UDS for reasons outside of their job [18:00] then it should be specified that they should answer based on that - if they are attending uds as community members, they should pick that option. [18:04] another possibly interesting aspect is how people from different continents experience the new format; how easy it is to adjust their schedules accordingly, does the change in the format make it easier or harder to attend, can they minimize the distractions at the given day of time to be able to focus on the sessions enough (that's interesting even without the continent-correlation), ... [18:08] cjohnston: pong [18:08] JoseeAntonioR: I have a bug that you should be able to do pretty easily [18:08] jono: we don't have a session for ubuntu on air up to now, but I'd still need to confirm if I'll be assisting, school gives me a response tomorrow morning [18:08] cjohnston: go for it [18:09] JoseeAntonioR, no worries, I will schedule something [18:09] JoseeAntonioR: bug #1144757 [18:09] Launchpad bug 1144757 in Summit "Identify removed sessions on the meeting page" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1144757 [18:10] so, what's to be done in there? [18:15] cjohnston: how can I fetch the status of a meeting to check if it's removed? [18:15] if I get that, I can do an if [18:15] meeting.aoorived [18:15] approved [18:16] so, if meeting.approved show page, else show message [18:17] no [18:18] all right - I'll see you tomorrow! :) [18:18] on a meeting page you have a meeting title, right? [18:18] below the navigation links [18:19] dholbach: before you run off - you want UDS on forum? [18:19] elfy, ah yes, that might be good [18:20] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2013-February/001018.html should have the relevant info [18:20] okey doke [18:21] thanksssssssssssss [18:22] doing it - will be done when you wake up :p [18:22] JoseeAntonioR: look at the bug again [18:22] cjohnston: sure, one sec [18:25] dholbach: done now even [18:26] thanks a bunch elfy! [18:27] cjohnston: mind giving me a couple minutes? need to package some things urgently [18:27] k [18:28] "Application authors relying on Qt/QML, GTK3, XUL etc. should be prevented from any sort of porting effort and we will work on providing Mir integration for the most prominent toolkit choices." [18:28] prevented?? [18:28] I think someone has used the wrong word there, but I can't quite see what was intended [18:29] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec [18:29] * popey passes that on [18:29] ta [18:31] Yeah, reusing the term MIR is not helpful [18:33] Daviey: I look forward to the MIR for Mir. [18:33] AlanBell: I think it means we shouldn't make app-authors port their code, we should be working to make their toolkit portable instead [18:33] fixed AlanBell [18:34] ah, that makes more sense [18:35] I was thinking "protected from" might have been what they were trying to say [18:35] jcastro: hah.. Mind you, maybe ArchiveReorg will be done by then [18:35] :) [18:37] Daviey: LETS NOT GET CRAZY. [18:39] * AlanBell looks forward to activating the Mir cube with wobbly windows [18:39] * popey waves goodbye to compiz [18:40] as long as the CPU isn't pushing pixels I am cool with it [18:41] and text tracking zoom is I am sure designed into this [18:42] drop shadows done by dropping a shadow \o/ [18:44] has unity-lens-photo been a crashy pos for anyone the past few days? [18:44] or just me? [19:09] cjohnston: is summit.name a defined value? [19:09] it might not be summit.name, i dont know what it is, look in the summitmodel.py [19:15] best comment ever [19:15] I agree. This is why I dislike Ubuntu. It constantly tries to appeal to Mac and Windows users. [19:16] * pleia2 wonders who it's supposed to be appealing to [19:17] aliens! [19:17] dinosaurs! [19:17] i was about to say that [19:19] pluit could be alien dinosaurs [19:22] AlanBell: I lost my buffer from the weekend [19:22] what was the TLDR on that test conversion you did? [19:32] cjohnston: I'm going to test the changes I've done now [19:33] I'm setting up the env [19:33] Does anyone know if will quickly be moving forward or will something be replacing it? [19:34] slowly [19:35] it uses Glade and GTK though currently; correct? [19:40] cjohnston: there's no actions bonx [19:40] box* [19:41] ? [19:49] cjohnston: was that ? for me? [19:50] cprofitt: no [19:50] k [19:50] the slowly wsa thought... ;-) [19:50] I thought so :) [20:07] AlanBell: I'd suggest "relieved from" instead of "prevented from" or "protected from" (although I think it would be even better to completely rephrase that sentence...) [20:08] it has been [20:09] I didn't read the whole article yet ☺ [20:10] cprofitt: quickly itself is rather agnostic, but it has templates to make pygtk applications at the moment, I guess it needs new templates [20:10] might need a bit more if we invent a new packaging spec next [20:23] Mir might not be the best name for a new open source project BTW: it's already used by e.g. the MirOS BSD project (and several subprojects of it) [20:40] thanks AlanBell === jared_ is now known as jared [21:03] jono: dude forget that lambo car, check this out: http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/aston-martin-reveals-3-000-baby-stroller-article-1.1275703 [21:04] jcastro, that is nuts [21:04] soon to be covered in really posh vomit [21:04] jill sent me the link [21:04] jono: can we schedule a CC session at UDS please for as late as possible on the wednesday please [21:04] I wonder if she's trying to say something [21:04] czajkowski, sure, one sec [21:05] czajkowski, 6.15pm UTC work? [21:06] anything later [21:06] trying to get the USA folks on the CC on there as well [21:12] czajkowski, that is the latest slot [21:12] we only have earlier [21:12] ok will take that so [21:12] thanks [21:12] czajkowski, can you file a BP for it? [21:12] pleia2: cprofitt ^^ [21:13] I thought we dont need BPs to have sessions any more? [21:13] and name it community-1303-community-council [21:13] czajkowski, how will you track the work items? [21:13] we usually just talk about feedback from the community [21:13] this is what we've done for the last two UDS [21:13] granted one session was on the revision of the CoC we just used the etherpad [21:14] czajkowski, right, but I assume there are work items from that review? [21:14] I'll create it [21:14] one tick [21:14] thanks czajkowski [21:14] and then I will schedule it for you [21:14] great thanks [21:15] thanks czajkowski [21:20] czajkowski: I am scheduled to be in the Ubuntu Friendly session at the same time on Wednesday [21:20] I'm due to be at a training session :/ [21:21] will take notes for you cprofitt [21:21] thanks czajkowski [21:22] jono: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-1303-community-council [21:25] thanks for doing that czajkowski [21:25] np [21:32] thanks czajkowski [22:00] balloons, I had to move your session Wed at the end [22:00] I promised czajkowski that slot :-) [22:00] jono :-) hmm [22:02] can you swap me with one of the 1400 slots on weds? [22:03] balloons, check wed now [22:03] does that work? [22:05] jono, yes ty sir [22:07] balloons, np [23:06] jono: with the google support thing we can do more than 10 people in a hangout right? [23:14] jcastro, I think 9, but Im not sure