[16:37] <AlanBell> interesting looking HP all in one with Ubuntu on it
[16:38] <AlanBell> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/hp-launch-ubuntu-all-in-one-pc-for-349
[16:39] <AlanBell> skype and adobe reader preinstalled
[16:40] <AlanBell> overall the description seems accurate and pretty good
[16:41] <AlanBell> "HP recommends Windows." just above the purchase button, but meh
[16:44] <Pici> I wonder what support resources they provide for it.
[16:50] <Calinou> AlanBell: all in one
[16:50] <Calinou> can you see?
[16:50] <Calinou> shit mobile hardware inside
[16:50] <Calinou> do like the real men, build a desktop
[16:50] <Calinou> where you put actual parts and no noname stuff
[16:51] <Calinou> you can upgrade these too
[16:51] <Calinou> AlanBell: btw, they're being paid for their famous "x recommends windows" ;)
[16:58] <IdleOne> such hostility
[17:16] <AlanBell> Calinou: yeah, I know how it works, it is actually worse than the fact that they are paid for it
[17:17] <AlanBell> they get audited and if every page of every brochure and every page of their website doesn't contain it then they lose their discounts and co-marketing funds
[17:19] <Calinou> IdleOne: I'm hostile to people who make poor computer choices
[17:20] <IdleOne> It rarely gets you the desired outcome though
[17:20] <IdleOne> least in my experience
[17:32] <rasher> Hi, so. I find it mildly offensive that the download page shows me a skull graphic if I choose not to donate.
[17:32] <rasher> Loud noises.
[17:33] <IdleOne> link?
[17:33] <rasher> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/questions?distro=desktop&bits=64&release=latest
[17:34] <IdleOne> is this before or after you click the Pay with paypal button?
[17:34] <IdleOne> I see no skull
[17:34] <rasher> move all the sliders to 0
[17:35] <rasher> same graphic is displayed briefly (until the browser moves on) if you click "Not now, take me to the download"
[17:36] <IdleOne> hmm yeah I see
[17:38] <IdleOne> I suppose you could email canonical at the contact us link
[17:39] <IdleOne> it does seem odd they would use a skull for $0
[17:41] <Calinou> rasher: there's a "download for free button" if you're scared of .pngs
[17:43] <rasher> Calinou: you mean the "Not now, take me to the download" link? That still changes the icon to the skull (while the next page loads). And I'm not scared, I just think it's rude, considering Ubuntu is built on mountains of free software.
[17:44] <Calinou> it's a joke
[17:44] <Calinou> skulls don't always mean "u dead"
[17:45] <Calinou> if you're not happy, enjoy your debian with its rusty, stale or broken packages
[17:45] <rasher> Huh? I realise it's a joke, but it's a bad one.
[17:45] <rasher> Do you have any useful input?
[17:46] <Calinou> lol, debian user's excuse, saying people are useless
[17:46] <IdleOne> doesn't appear to.
[17:47] <Calinou> IdleOne: I know a lot of debian users which use the same kind of excuse, just go to #debian-offtopic @ espernet, see by yourself
[17:48] <IdleOne> What does that have to do with Ubuntu?
[17:48] <Calinou> ubuntu is based on debian
[17:48] <IdleOne> Calinou: are you trolling?
[17:48]  * Calinou presses K
[17:49] <Calinou> please don't ban me :(
[17:49] <IdleOne> Don't act like a fool :)
[17:52] <IdleOne> Anyway, rasher I am not personally bothered by the graphic but I can see why it would bother some people. best advice I can give is contact Canonical and explain your concerns
[17:52] <rasher> Yeah, I just might.
[17:53] <Calinou> more like, they're even requesting donations... they're a company
[17:53] <Calinou> if you don't want to donate: no "ad" is going to make you change. just like any other ad
[17:54] <rasher> I never said I don't want to donate.
[18:43] <AlanBell> seen the Mir thing?
[18:44] <AlanBell> rasher: there is a bug about the skull thing
[18:44] <IdleOne> skimmed the specs real quick
[18:44] <AlanBell> well in theory it is all openGL to put stuff on screen
[18:44] <IdleOne> I'm not technical enough to make an informed decision on it
[18:45] <AlanBell> so things like dropshadows will be *actually* shadows rather than the abomination that is the top panel shadow at the moment
[18:45] <IdleOne> What I did get from it is that somewhere around May 2014 I should maybe expect my desktop to explode
[18:45] <rasher> AlanBell: Sweet, thanks! (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website-content/+bug/1066792 for the curious)
[18:48] <AlanBell> I am not expecting the bug to get fixed any time soon
[18:49] <AlanBell> I think that doing a transition from X to mir in a rolling release will be . .  brave