[18:00] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:01] <mdeslaur> hello!
[18:01] <jjohansen> \o
[18:01] <tyhicks> Hi
[18:01] <sarnold> o/
[18:02] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar  4 18:02:18 2013 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:02] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:02] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:02] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Announcements
[18:02] <jdstrand> UDS is this week. Be sure to check the schedule for things to attend and subscribe to blueprints
[18:03] <jdstrand> atm, we are leading just one session on webkit, but there is a lot of others to attend
[18:03]  * jdstrand is leading the webkit one
[18:04] <jdstrand> we decided not to rehash the stuff we are currently working on and will just plan for the months based on what we have, since it is all still relevant
[18:04] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:04] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:04] <jdstrand> I'm on community this week
[18:05] <jdstrand> this week is mostly about planning and UDS for me
[18:05] <jdstrand> I'm also on the books to patch pilot (I may do that late in the week)
[18:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: you're up
[18:05] <mdeslaur> I'm in the happy place this week! :P
[18:06] <mdeslaur> this week, I'm working on python-django, and will be attending UDS
[18:06] <mdeslaur> I have a couple of bugs to investigate
[18:06] <mdeslaur> and will pick something else off the CVE list time-premitting
[18:06] <mdeslaur> that's it for me
[18:06] <mdeslaur> sbeattie: you're up
[18:06] <sbeattie> I'm on apparmor again this week.
[18:07] <sbeattie> Still working on the display manager prototype.
[18:07] <sbeattie> I'll also be prepping for ad attending UDS.
[18:07] <sbeattie> s/ad/and/
[18:07] <sbeattie> that's it for me, tyhicks?
[18:08] <tyhicks> I need to do some prep for UDS today (and obviously attend it tue and wed)
[18:08] <tyhicks> I am finishing the kernel and libapparmor query interface patches
[18:08] <tyhicks> That's probably about it
[18:08] <tyhicks> jjohansen: you're up
[18:09] <jjohansen> well I am prepping for and attending UDS this week
[18:10] <jjohansen> after which I will be syncing up with tyhicks on the new query interface and testing dbus with the base socket labeling
[18:10] <tyhicks> Oh yeah, I'll also be updating the dbus code to use the socket based labeling
[18:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: I see that a new raring kernel is out, so I'll also rebase our apparmor patches in the dbus-dev PPA
[18:11] <jjohansen> and if there is time I will also work on fixing some of the stacking problems when the stack is split across a namespace
[18:11] <jjohansen> sarnold: your up
[18:12] <sarnold> I'm on triage this week, uds of course, and going through John's patches (yay, I'm past rcu :)
[18:12] <sarnold> I'm looking forward to some tyhicks's patches too :D nom nom nom
[18:12] <sarnold> jdstrand: back to you
[18:13] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:13] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:13] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:13] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/beaker.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/gnustep-base.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/cobbler.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/squidclamav.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/qmail.html
[18:13] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:13] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:21] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:21] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar  4 18:21:42 2013 UTC.
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[18:21] <jdstrand> mdeslaur, sbeattie, tyhicks, jjohansen, sarnold: thanks!
[18:21] <sarnold> thanks jdstrand :)
[18:21] <tyhicks> thanks!
[18:22] <jjohansen> thanks jdstrand
[18:22] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:22] <mdeslaur> thanks jdstrand!
[20:58] <kees> \o/
[20:58] <pitti> hello
[20:58] <jbicha> o/
[20:59]  * pitti moderates soren's apology
[20:59] <kees> based on email, cjwatson is not available for this meeting.
[21:00] <kees> ah, okay, soren too.
[21:00] <kees> #startmeeting
[21:00] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Mar  4 21:00:09 2013 UTC.  The chair is kees. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[21:00] <kees> so, Apologies from cjwatson and soren. stgraber, here?
[21:01] <kees> [topic] Action review
[21:01] <kees> seems like UbuntuKylin is on its way. were there any unresolved actions from that?
[21:02] <pitti> I'm still not fully happy with the fcitx thing
[21:03] <pitti> but I guess that's a matter for debate and decision/testing within the Kylin community
[21:03] <pitti> the other issues were clarified AFAICS
[21:03] <kees> but it's in progress, right? I guess I mean, are there any things the TB needs to examine during this meeting?
[21:03] <kees> okay, coll
[21:03] <kees> er, cool
[21:04] <kees> [TOPIC] Brain storm review
[21:04]  * stgraber waves
[21:04] <kees> I didn't see any new replies...
[21:04] <pitti> kees: not that I c an see
[21:04] <pitti> kees: no; TBH, I think at this point we should call this round "done"
[21:04] <kees> okay
[21:04] <pitti> but wrt. to this, I don't think that even this round was terribly useful
[21:04] <kees> yeah, it seemed pretty quiet.
[21:05] <pitti> even the most favorite one only got some 60 votes or so
[21:05] <kees> should we do one more cycle starting in may and if it's similarly quiet, just drop it?
[21:05] <pitti> we could also bury it now and see whether anyone complains
[21:05] <pitti> but we should perhaps do this when we have more TB members
[21:06] <pitti> bonsoir stgraber
[21:06] <kees> agreed. let's bump it until we have >3 at the meeting :)
[21:06] <kees> [TOPIC] Scan the mailing list archive
[21:06] <kees> only thing here might be the release cycle changes
[21:07] <pitti> I think we should defer this until after UDS
[21:07] <kees> yeah, agreed.
[21:07] <pitti> although I guess most things already popped up on the ML
[21:07] <pitti> (which was actually a really good discussion IMHO)
[21:07] <kees> I'm going to go through the ubuntu-devel thread a little more carefully and see if I can comment usefully on any of it
[21:08] <stgraber> I believe the plan is for someone to e-mail the TB with a real proposal shortly after UDS, we can pick it up from there
[21:08] <kees> ok
[21:08] <kees> I also see "Flavor Review Request for Ubuntu GNOME"
[21:08] <pitti> oh right, I was meaning to reply to that, but forgot, sorry
[21:08] <kees> yeah, me too :P
[21:09] <stgraber> ah yeah, jbicha poked me about that one on IRC... should have followed up too
[21:09] <kees> I'm generally in favor of it. I'd like to see the same for a MATE flavor once it's all the way in Debian too.
[21:09] <stgraber> and slangasek asked me to check the current state of Kylin and start creating the packageset and matching teams for it
[21:09] <jbicha> hi :) the rolling thing is a bit disruptive but I think we still want to go ahead with our proposal for now
[21:09] <pitti> hey jbicha
[21:09] <mdz> kees, MATE?
[21:09] <kees> mdz: yes, Gnome 2 fork. It's wonderful.
[21:10] <pitti> jbicha: with "All of the packages we need have been in Ubuntu since last September." you mean all the build deps for the gnome3 PPA?
[21:10] <pitti> jbicha: as I understand it, the gnome PPA is actually delivering what you want, or do you envision the current raring gnome (i. e. mostly 3.6) as that remix, and just use different default settings with it?
[21:10] <jbicha> pitti: I meant things like ubuntu-gnome-meta and ubuntu-gnome-default-settings (which contains our minimal artwork)
[21:11] <pitti> jbicha: ok, so ubuntu gnome == what's in the distro, and the PPA is the staging area for contributors still?
[21:12] <jbicha> the PPA does not provide us with daily image builds or recognition as an equal flavor with like Kubuntu or Xubuntu which is nice for marketing purposes
[21:13] <jbicha> there is demand for images with the GNOME3 PPA pre-installed...I don't know if we want to discuss that at this meeting?
[21:14] <pitti> so in general I'm very favorable of this; we should cross-check it against the list of requirements for flavours
[21:14] <pitti> stgraber, do you happen to have that link handy? ^
[21:14] <kees> yeah, no PPAs in an official image, please. :)
[21:14] <pitti> ^ + 1
[21:15] <jbicha> kees: ok, I wasn't planning to discuss that today either :)
[21:15] <stgraber> pitti: one sec
[21:15] <pitti> jbicha: but for the RR we'll eventually have the same problem of having these kind of staging areas which are eventually landed in the distro; I guess that'll use a very similar model like the gnome3 ppa
[21:15] <stgraber> pitti: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecognizedFlavors
[21:16] <jbicha> by the way we do have a staging ppa now too for stuff that isn't ready for the Ubuntu archives https://launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3-staging/+packages?field.series_filter=raring
[21:16] <kees> stgraber: thanks. yeah, it seems like this qualifies easily.
[21:17] <pitti> community interest (point 1) is certainly there
[21:17] <pitti> jbicha: did ricotz, darkxst, and you sign the CoC? (I assume so)
[21:17] <jbicha> the GNOME3 PPA was for stuff that we thought was ready for Ubuntu but sharing the archives with Unity meant we had to wait longer
[21:17] <pitti> jbicha is in ~u-desktop, so that covers upload
[21:17] <jbicha> pitti: yes all 3 of us have
[21:18] <stgraber> yeah, I'm pretty sure that Ubuntu GNOME qualifies.
[21:18] <pitti> and all three of you have been active for a long time already
[21:18] <stgraber> they'll still need to talk to the cdimage team to make sure that there's enough space and resources to build the images, but that's a separate matter
[21:18] <pitti> "follow release process" is somewhat in the air now :)
[21:18] <pitti> but given that GNOME defined our original one, that's also ok :)
[21:18] <pitti> right
[21:19] <pitti> so as for "Guidelines to become and remain a recognized flavor", I think you're all set
[21:20] <pitti> so +1 from me
[21:20] <kees> yeah, I've emailed my +1.
[21:20] <kees> sabdfl gave his +1. mdz, stgraber: ?
[21:21] <mdz> I think i need to abstain, lacking context
[21:21] <mdz> multitasking right now also
[21:21] <stgraber> +1
[21:22] <kees> what is the next technical step? emailing IS?
[21:22] <pitti> I think so; we need sign-off that there's enough space, and then ask the release team to set up daily isos
[21:23] <stgraber> so I'm going to go ahead and create packagesets + upload teams for both Kylin and UbuntuGnome
[21:23] <stgraber> the respective teams can then apply with the DMB to get upload rights
[21:23] <kees> okay
[21:23] <stgraber> if they wish to get daily builds, they'll have to contact the cdimage team to check for space and resources for the build
[21:23]  * kees nods
[21:24] <stgraber> and the cdimage team may ask IS to check for space on the build machines, mirrors, tapes if required
[21:24] <kees> [ACTION] stgraber to create packagesets + upload teams for Kylin and UbuntuGnome
[21:24] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to create packagesets + upload teams for Kylin and UbuntuGnome
[21:24] <stgraber> so I think we just want to highlight in the minutes that we have two new flavours, point to their wiki pages and I'll work with them to get everything setup
[21:25] <kees> [TOPIC] Check up on community bugs
[21:25] <kees> sounds good, yeah
[21:25] <kees> we have no open bugs...
[21:25] <stgraber> we don't add new flavours everyday, so I expect I'll have to make part of the process as I go ;)
[21:25] <kees> [TOPIC] other business?
[21:25] <kees> heh
[21:26] <kees> *crickets*
[21:26] <kees> next chair? mdz?
[21:26] <pitti> nothing from me
[21:27] <JackYu> hi, I am Jack from UbuntuKylin team. Is there anything we should go ahead?
[21:27] <kees> JackYu: I think you're okay for the moment. stgraber will be pushing some buttons to finalize things.
[21:27] <stgraber> JackYu: I think we have everything we need to proceed and start setting up your flavour
[21:28] <kees> mdz: if the next meeting time isn't good for being chair, feel free to update the wiki. :) I'll mark you down for now.
[21:28] <JackYu> Great. Thanks!
[21:28] <kees> I think that's it for this time. Anything else?
[21:29] <mdz> kees, it's fine, thanks and sorry
[21:29] <kees> heh
[21:29] <kees> np
[21:29] <kees> alright everyone, thanks!
[21:29] <kees> #endmeeting
[21:29] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Mar  4 21:29:17 2013 UTC.
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[21:29] <mdz> I think it's during pycon but I'll manage
[21:29] <pitti> thanks everyone
[21:29] <pitti> good night!
[21:29] <kees> g'night!
[21:30] <JackYu> good night!