[19:24] <chris4585> apparently ubuntu will be moving away from x and wayland
[19:26] <wrst> chris4585: just saw that also
[19:28] <chris4585> not sure how I feel about this, but I just hope all the existing applications can work with it
[19:28] <chris4585> otherwise I see ubuntu digging a hole in the ground
[19:30] <wrst> yes
[19:30] <wrst> agreed
[19:30] <Unit193> I'm not impressed at all, but it is supposed to have an X compatibility layer in October '13
[19:30] <wrst> not for sure what i think exactly will be interesting for sure
[19:34] <chris4585> I'm not really concerned though
[19:34] <wrst> nah i can always just use arch :)
[19:36] <chris4585> exactly :)
[19:36] <chris4585> I'm not sure how that will go with nvidia / amd drivers
[19:37] <wrst> i really think the ubuntu rolling might really work well for me
[19:37] <chris4585> I doubt they would make such a switch without taking care of something like that first
[19:37] <chris4585> oh yeah I heard about that, I hope they do it
[19:41] <Unit193> 13.04 is too soon, and wouldn't go well for the flavors. :/
[19:42] <wrst> Unit193: they don't care about the flavors, or likely even ubuntu so much as the desktop goes they are drunk on mobile
[19:42] <Unit193> wrst: I know they don't.
[19:43] <wrst> so might as well look for another distro :)
[19:43]  * wrst migth not should say that here
[19:43] <Unit193> Always have a backup plan, but I don't feel like migrating stuff. :P
[19:48] <wrst> its all linux
[19:50] <chris4585> yep
[19:51] <chris4585> I'm happy on manjaro
[19:51] <chris4585> the new gnome if I'm not mistake actually has a menu similar to cinnamon now
[19:52] <wrst> Unit193: here you go http://www.thepowerbase.com/2013/03/gamer-rewrites-valves-steam-installer-for-debian/
[19:52] <wrst> chris4585: its available
[19:52] <wrst> not going to be default
[19:52] <Unit193> I'll read it, but can't run steam. ;)
[19:52] <wrst> Unit193: why not?
[19:53] <Unit193> Weak computer, same reason for staying away from Arch.
[19:53] <wrst> ahh well if you have a weak computer thats all the more reason to use arch
[19:53] <wrst> arch with xfce and you can run that on a calculator from 1982
[19:53] <chris4585> lol
[19:53] <chris4585> arch + openbox <3
[19:54] <wrst> if you have a a weak computer whay are you using any Ubuntu????
[19:54] <chris4585> wrst, manjaro came out with an openbox flavor and I haven't tried it yet, but I'm willing to bet its better than archbang
[19:54] <wrst> seems to be a pretty popular distro... I'm just a traditionalist I want to get arch working the right way, by banging my head against a brick wall
[19:55] <wrst> actually I can have it installed nearly as quickly as ubuntu with a desktop, no where near as complete but its running
[19:55] <wrst> Unit193: really if you are on less powerful hardware and with your knowledge why do you use ubuntu?
[19:55] <Unit193> Because it runs well on it?  I'd dip into aur way too much for it to be sane. :P
[19:55] <chris4585> that isn't really my kind of fun anymore tbh, I'm really loving manjaro, I believe they making a installer similar to ubuntu's
[19:56] <chris4585> lol
[19:56] <Unit193> wrst: Debian, except it doesn't care as much about open source or not.
[19:56] <wrst> Unit193: what is the difference in running the AUR vs a PPA other than the AUR stuff if you use a helper like yaourt is much cleaner?
[19:57] <Unit193> I don't generally use a ton of PPAs, and you compile AUR.
[19:57] <wrst> not necessarily
[19:58] <chris4585> not everything compiles, like themes and such, which is one reason I love aur, have the latest themes, without adding stupid ppas lol
[19:59] <wrst> me too chris4585
[19:59] <wrst> ppas can get out of hand pretty quickly
[20:00] <Unit193> chris4585: That's called git pull for me. :P
[20:00] <Unit193> wrst: Quite a lot of them aren't good.
[20:00] <chris4585> whatever works for you
[20:01] <Unit193> Yep, but this is a nice talk about differences.
[20:02] <chris4585> well that is another thing I do like about aur, they usually have the git or bzr version listed
[20:02] <wrst> Unit193: yeah and lots of AUR packages aren't good either its a little but of a gamble for either really
[20:02] <chris4585> so its nice and simple, no searching on http
[20:03] <chris4585> that is true, but usually there is a work around in the forums
[20:03] <Unit193> I have my handy little PPA up too, for my own stuff that I update, so it's handy for me. :P
[20:03] <wrst> you could do the same in the AUR ;)
[20:04] <wrst> but yeah i think both have their issues and going out of repos for anything is not desired
[20:06] <chris4585> eeh, not to be a downer, but I'm glad I cut ubuntu off a while ago, I just didn't like the direction its been going to, I wouldn't mind using it with cinnamon or just mint though
[20:07] <Unit193> Mint, ewww.... :P   Cinnamon is in the main repo for 13.04, if there is one.
[20:07] <Unit193> chris4585: And what works for you, works for you.  Glad you found whatever it may be.
[20:08] <chris4585> yes, I'm quite happy
[20:08] <chris4585> :)
[20:11] <wrst> yeah chris4585 I'm using it now but think I will likely go back to arch soon for my distro to work on
[20:13] <chris4585> good luck lol
[20:13] <chris4585> I think if ubuntu is successful with this on tablets first and then attempts to try it on desktops it may be a better solution than x, but we will see..
[20:24] <wrst> I agree, but that is a huge if