[05:43] <Kilos> morning all
[05:54] <nuvolari> o/ mornings
[05:57] <Symmetria> *laugh* so, cloudflare (which carries 1/10th of the worlds net traffic)
[05:57] <Symmetria> died yesterday
[05:58] <nuvolari> :o
[05:58] <nuvolari> that might explain my slow intertwebs
[05:58] <Symmetria> and all the articles about what happened are all focusing on the fact that they pushed a rule out that crashed all their routers... except... the articles are neglecting to say "you pushed a stupid rule that shouldn't be possible because your packet detection method is broke"
[06:34] <inetpro> good morning
[06:41] <superfly> morning inetpro
[06:44] <Symmetria> hahaha @ amazon getting into crap over selling highly offensive t-shirts
[06:45] <Symmetria> the reality is though, I've seen far more offensive things than the shirts they were selling, but because they were more subtle and took half a brain to figure out what they were saying, no one screamed
[07:43] <Squirm> Symmetria: surely Amazon can sell what they want to?
[07:44] <Squirm> walk into a shop like JayJays over here, there's some pretty funny stuff on those shirts
[07:47] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:47] <superfly> morning mazal
[07:48] <superfly> and Squirm, jrgns, Vince-0 and ThatGraemeGuy :-)
[07:48] <jrgns> morning superfly, all
[07:48] <jrgns> Squirm: are you guys talking about the carry on and rape t-shirts?
[07:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning :)
[07:57] <Symmetria> Squirm you would think so
[07:57] <Symmetria> but some people are way to sensitive
[07:58] <Symmetria> like hahahhaa that anc mp who is pissed because zille made a fat joke about her
[08:07] <Vince-0> Haai
[08:14] <Vince-0> Hey Symmetria, did you see the Team GhostShell 'leader' interview on softpedia
[08:16] <Symmetria> nope? whats he had to say
[08:18] <Vince-0> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Exclusive-Interview-Team-GhostShell-Leader-Takes-a-Break-from-Hacking-333609.shtml
[08:18] <Vince-0> He's taking a break
[08:19] <Symmetria> lol probably a good thing, I have never agreed with TGS's tactics
[08:21] <Vince-0> chops
[08:49] <magespawn> morning all
[09:09] <Squirm> jrgns: ok, Symmetria said they were offensive, but I never knew what they said. that is quite hectic
[09:12] <jrgns> Squirm: yup. but the fact is that it wasn't Amazon, but a reseller, and that it was an algorithm that generated them. Pretty much - Keep call and [verb] on
[09:13] <Squirm> I see
[09:13] <Squirm> supposedly scripted
[09:13] <Squirm> “Keep Calm and Rape a Lot” and “Keep Calm and Rape Them”.
[09:13] <Squirm> I mean, really
[09:14] <jrgns> http://boingboing.net/2013/03/02/how-an-algorithm-came-up-with.html
[09:17] <Squirm> that's a good idea as well :P
[09:17] <Squirm> you just need to remove the really offensive verbs
[09:24] <jrgns> yup
[09:32] <Symmetria> hrm
[09:32] <Symmetria> http://www.takealot.com/computers/computer-components/thermaltake-level-10-gt-gaming-chassis-extend-atx-full-tower,9755985
[09:32] <Symmetria> thoughts on that thing?
[09:32] <Symmetria> thinking of getting me one
[09:37] <tonberry352_> looks silly to me
[09:38] <Symmetria> heh, it has hotswap drive bays
[09:38] <Symmetria> which I like 
[09:38] <confluency> As some of the commenters point out, not all the possible combinations (which should logically be generated by suc an algorithm) are there, which suggests some degree of oversight.
[09:38] <Symmetria> and its got extremely good cooling which I need
[09:39] <confluency> My response to anything like this is "show me the algorithm, or STFU". People like to blame all kinds of things on "computer error" even when it makes very little sense, seemingly hoping that most people don't know enough about computers to question the explanation.
[09:40] <Symmetria> heh
[09:40] <Symmetria> I cannot believe they print shirts
[09:40] <Symmetria> with random sayings on them
[09:40] <Symmetria> without first checking what they print
[09:41] <Symmetria> because you print the wrong thing, you could have a costly mistake, that becomes stuff you throw away
[09:46] <confluency> I'd call this a fauxpology, but I think the writer's English is just not very good: http://www.solidgoldbomb.com/pages/our-apology
[09:48] <confluency> I had to lol at the algorithm "explanation" which basically seems to be "the cloud did it".  I guess they combined word fragments which commonly occur together in large samples of data, which could explain things like lack of gender symmetry.
[09:53] <Symmetria> considering the amount of porn on the net, if that were the case they woulda been coming up with crap like "keep calm, and suck dick" 
[09:53] <Symmetria> ;p
[09:58] <Vince-0> lols
[10:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.turnitaround.co.za/news/news_article/1998/r140m-for-fstate-website-report-sanews
[10:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> I think it's time I learned wordpress :)
[11:00] <tonberry352_> yeah
[11:00] <tonberry352_> should be quite lucrative
[11:23] <superfly> WordPress "developers" totally boil my blood
[11:23] <superfly> I told our work not to get a WordPress site, they did, and now we're suffering for it
[11:24] <Symmetria> *laugh* you dont need to learn wordpress for it to be lucrative, you just need to be related to an anc member
[11:24] <superfly> WordPress is like the language it is written in... it makes wannabes think that they're for real
[11:24] <Symmetria> or be willing to share the profits with one anyway
[11:24] <Symmetria> ;p
[12:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> at R140m for a simple site like that, I'd happily agree to a split
[12:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> just give me 10% of it :)
[12:03] <tonberry352_> I'd be happy with 0.5%
[12:09] <Squirm> ThatGraemeGuy: I don't beleive that article
[12:09] <Squirm> bloody SA
[12:09] <Squirm> someone is pocketing a fair sum
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, its sad
[12:28] <magespawn> R140 million for a website?
[12:34] <magespawn> some more info here
[12:34] <magespawn> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/71700-r140-million-for-government-wordpress-website.html
[12:35] <magespawn> looks like most of the other  articles are repeat of the sowetan
[12:37] <magespawn> perhaps we could set up our own company to do websites and use some of the money to fund our own events
[12:37] <magespawn> lol
[12:55] <griffin_> Hi every1
[13:00] <superfly> hi griffin_
[13:09] <Kilos> afternoon superfly inetpro and others too
[13:09] <Maaz> Kilos: By the way, inetpro on freenode told me "tell Kilos hi" 6 hours, 35 minutes and 7 seconds ago
[13:09] <Kilos> yo maiatoday
[13:10] <Kilos> oh sposed to say hiya maia
[13:10] <inetpro> wb Kilos
[13:10] <superfly> afternoon Kilos
[13:10] <Kilos> ty sir 4 installations later
[13:11] <Kilos> kde running and nm working
[13:11] <Kilos> only this one dont want to up the screen size
[13:12] <Gripen> Hi everyone
[13:14] <superfly> hi Gripen
[13:14] <Kilos> hi Gripen
[13:14] <Kilos> you got spelling probs again
[13:14] <Kilos> lol
[13:14] <Gripen> Im new to Ubuntu and Freenode - so please forgive me if I step on someone's toes..
[13:15] <Kilos> oh my welcome to ubuntu-za
[13:15] <Gripen> thanx
[13:15] <Kilos> just step gently my toes are old
[13:15] <Kilos> can we help you?
[13:16] <Kilos> hi jr
[13:16] <Kilos> grr
[13:16] <Gripen> Can I give some background before I just jump in?
[13:17] <Kilos> yes please do Gripen
[13:18] <Gripen> I'm an IT Service Manager for a non-profit organization  - and are looking into moving to Ubuntu for obvious reasons - free and efficient OS
[13:19] <Gripen> ..but simple support issues are preventing its progress to implementation
[13:20] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos o/
[13:20] <Kilos> lo nuvolari
[13:20] <Kilos> Gripen: state what support you need and the guys will help you out
[13:21] <Gripen> We use quite a lot of Brother Printers - Brother MFC 7440 N - cant get it to work with Ubuntu 12.04
[13:23] <Gripen> There seems to be a MFC 7450 N driver - which I tried to make use of - but failed. Followed the instructions on Brother's site for Linux as well. I used the CUPS wrapper, etc to manage it - it's a network printer so need to point to an IP. It picks up the printer and shows as online - but when you start printing, it just pops out a 100 blank pages..
[13:24] <Kilos> Gripen: just hang around and when one of the brains gets a break he will help you
[13:24] <Kilos> im a noob
[13:25] <Gripen> he he - thanx - The Brain
[13:27] <Kilos> which release of ubuntu are you using ?
[13:27] <Kilos> then we can check so long what our bot finds in goole
[13:27] <Kilos> google too
[13:29] <Kilos> Gripen: look here meantime
[13:29] <Kilos> http://www.brother-usa.com/mfc/modeldetail.aspx?PRODUCTID=MFC7440N
[13:29] <Kilos> sorry this one
[13:29] <Kilos> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1939744
[13:33] <maiatoday> Hi Kilos
[13:35] <griffin_> Hi Gripen. Have you looked at the video for the Brother 7450: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YekdBoF7vlY
[13:38] <Gripen> Ok - Im gonna look at that now
[13:39] <Kilos> wbb now now
[13:40] <griffin_> Kilos AFK
[13:40] <Symmetria> heh I love how takealot, you order something the first time, they take the money for the order and *THEN* ask for proof of ID 
[13:40] <Symmetria> surely its a good idea to ask for the ID *before* you take someones money
[13:40] <Symmetria> ;p
[13:41] <Symmetria> lol oh well, now gotta sit waiting a week for new case to arrive
[13:42] <Gripen> I followed the process as per Youtube clip - and it used the same driver as on there - but then the printer does not respond at all
[13:42] <griffin_> Borther printers......
[13:44] <Gripen> Oh Brother...
[13:44] <Gripen> Oh Brother...
[13:45] <Symmetria> http://www.takealot.com/computers/computer-components/thermaltake-level-10-gt-gaming-chassis-extend-atx-full-tower,9755985 <[13:46] <griffin_> Gripen: Another thread that talks about the blank pages and a possible solutions can be found here as well: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1283741
[13:47] <griffin_> They indicated it could be a problem with the printer driver (from experiance even in windows I know this) and I think you should try a older or newer model driver so tes
[13:47] <griffin_> *test
[13:53] <Gripen> ok - will try that.
[13:54] <Gripen> Thanx for all the help - will come back when I tried some tests
[13:57] <griffin_> Cheerz everyone. On my way home
[14:05] <Gripen> Cheers
[14:06] <superfly> Gripen: we have a Brother printer in our office, and it doesn't work for me either
[14:06]  * superfly would kick it if he could
[14:06] <Gripen> Quit
[14:06] <Gripen> I share your pain
[15:11] <nuvolari> Olivetti works ok
[15:11] <nuvolari> I didn't know they are still in business
[15:11] <nuvolari> :P
[16:07] <zeref_debian> hmmmm
[16:08] <zeref_debian> there is something strange, in my vlc, who you gona call?
[16:09] <Vince-0> apt-get remove?
[16:11] <zeref_debian> heh
[16:11] <zeref_debian> volume @ 100% is like 0%, volume at 200% is like 100%
[16:12] <Vince-0> ah, check the other volume settings in the OS
[16:12] <Vince-0> could also be the file
[16:14] <somaunn> Hello everyone !
[16:14] <Vince-0> Gd'eve
[16:19] <zeref_debian> Vince-0: vol is on max
[16:22] <somaunn> zeref_debian, have you tried to put it to max with alsamixer on the cli?
[16:25] <zeref_debian> hmmm
[16:25] <zeref_debian> lemme try
[16:33] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[16:33] <Kilos> lo kbmonkeyyou here too
[16:33] <Kilos> wooo
[16:39] <Cantide> hey Kilos :)
[16:40] <Kilos> hi henk Cantide
[16:41] <Kilos> oh bye henk
[16:41] <Cantide> :p
[16:41] <Cantide> how are you, Kilos ?
[16:41] <Kilos> im on konversation and trying to find a manly sound 
[16:41] <Kilos> im ok ty and you?
[16:41] <Cantide> lol
[16:42] <Cantide> i'm okay :)
[16:42] <Cantide> i'm nursing a nice sunburn from a weekend of fishing and cycling
[16:42] <Kilos> vinegar helps
[16:42] <Cantide> i've heard..
[16:43] <Cantide> i went into the garden and scavenged some aloe
[16:43] <Cantide> hahaha
[16:43] <Cantide> not sure if it helped
[16:43] <Kilos> and you only smell sour for 5 mins
[16:43] <Kilos> hehe
[16:43] <Cantide> but it sure was messy :p
[16:43] <Cantide> it's Monday, i'm allowed to be sour for at least another 5 hours '-';;
[16:43] <Kilos> lol
[16:44] <Cantide> i caught 2 bass on Saturday '-';;;
[16:44] <Cantide> and cycled about 30 km off road
[16:44] <Cantide> and that's after getting a whopping 1 and a half hour's sleep on Friday night
[16:44] <Cantide> haha
[16:44] <Cantide> so i'm resting now :p
[16:45] <Kilos> ow
[16:45] <Cantide> Kilos, what's your opinion on the rolling release speculation?
[16:45] <Kilos> did you eat the bass?
[16:45] <Cantide> nah
[16:45] <Cantide> threw them in the bucket with my friend's fish
[16:45] <Cantide> not even sure what happened to them
[16:45] <Cantide> i heard they taste like mud :p
[16:45] <Kilos> i think it might be better as long as they dont rest more and leave updates and fixes till released again
[16:46] <Kilos> no bass is lekker to eat
[16:46] <Kilos> they live on insects 
[16:46] <Cantide> yeah, i also like the idea of rolling releases and just LTS versions
[16:46] <Cantide> ah :)
[16:46] <Kilos> barble tastes bit muddy and some carp
[16:46] <Cantide> "This tastes like carp!"
[16:46] <Cantide> haha
[16:46] <Kilos> but a clever cook can make barbel lekker too
[16:47] <Cantide> there is a Thai restaurant near my house that has "Crap soup" on the menu :p
[16:47] <Kilos> lol
[16:47] <Cantide> well, i can get infinite bass if i like
[16:47] <Kilos> bass is lekker
[16:48] <Kilos> bass and trout are you best fresh water fish to eat
[16:48] <Cantide> we were encouraged to go back and fish again because there are too many small bass in the dams '-'
[16:49] <Kilos> oh if they wanna get rid of more small ones then catch lots and just braai or fry the fillets
[16:49] <Cantide> interesting :p
[16:49] <Kilos> normally one puts little ones back
[16:49] <Cantide> we fed about 20 of them to the dogs
[16:50] <Kilos> lol
[16:50] <Cantide> yeah, but the farmer complained that there are too many little ones
[16:50] <Kilos> you dunno what you missed
[16:50]  * Cantide shrugs
[16:50] <Cantide> i'm going back for some cycling sometime though
[16:50] <Kilos> then just fry some fillets and see for yourself
[16:50] <Cantide> nice tracks through sugarcane farms and along the edge of the gorge
[16:51] <Kilos> ians moms father was a sugar cane farmer at illovo
[16:52] <Cantide> cool
[16:52] <Kilos> but bass are inland fish
[16:52] <Cantide> i went to Port Shepstone
[16:52] <Cantide> and fairly close to the coast, too
[16:53] <Kilos> by bike?
[16:53] <Cantide> no no
[16:53] <Kilos> whew thats far
[16:53] <Kilos> ah
[16:53] <Cantide> it's an hour and a half drive from where i stay
[16:53] <Cantide> just took my bicycle along :p
[16:53] <Kilos> yeah
[16:53] <Kilos> ian was born there
[16:55] <Cantide> i'm going to miss SA
[16:55]  * Cantide sighs
[16:55] <Kilos> where you going and when?
[16:56] <Kilos> yo theblazehen
[16:56] <theblazehen> hi Kilos 
[16:57] <Cantide> Kilos, it's still not certain when, but South Korea :)
[16:57] <Kilos> whew
[16:57] <theblazehen> whtas that?
[16:57] <Kilos> Cantide: is moving to south korea
[16:57] <Cantide> my immigration plans
[16:58] <theblazehen> ok
[16:58] <Cantide> assuming i fulfill them this year
[16:58]  * Cantide is still waiting for UNISA
[17:00] <Kilos> lol theblazehen i tried 3 fresh installs of unity and no 3g connection so tried kubuntu again and it works
[17:00] <Kilos> didnt last 4 tries
[17:00] <theblazehen> Nice :) 
[17:00] <Kilos> weird stuff happens here
[17:00] <theblazehen> what u mean > didnt last 4 tries
[17:00] <theblazehen> does kubuntu fully work now?
[17:01] <Kilos> i tried kubuntu and unity yesterday about 8 times between them
[17:01] <Cantide> o_o
[17:01] <Kilos> lol
[17:01] <Cantide> are you okay?
[17:01] <Cantide> haha
[17:01] <Kilos> what you mean fully theblazehen
[17:02] <theblazehen> does it always work on kubuntu?
[17:02] <Kilos> yeah i like kde even though its a bit slower than unity
[17:02] <theblazehen> you can apt-get install unity-desktop i think
[17:02] <Kilos> nope last 4 tries kubuntu didnt see the 3g either
[17:03] <theblazehen> sucks:( does it work on windows?
[17:03] <Kilos> what?
[17:03] <theblazehen> does modem work on windows?
[17:03] <Kilos> the modem?
[17:03] <theblazehen> yea
[17:03] <Kilos> yes it installs fine
[17:04] <theblazehen> maybe share the connection via wifi if you have another laptop
[17:04] <Kilos> i dont have windows on anything here but got 2 ubuntus sharing 3g with ssh before
[17:05] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[17:05] <Kilos> bbl
[17:05] <theblazehen> ok bye
[17:11] <theblazehen> $((12-6+5))
[17:12] <theblazehen> oops wrong terminal
[17:12] <Cantide> :)
[17:17] <Kilos> lol
[17:19] <Kilos> inetpro: waars jy
[17:21] <theblazehen> hey griffin_ 
[17:21] <Kilos> zeref_debian: you abandoned ubuntu?
[17:21] <Kilos> yo griffin_
[17:21] <theblazehen> was just about to /whois you
[17:21] <theblazehen> Tried ubuntu touch
[17:21] <griffin_> Hi theblazehen, Kilos
[17:22] <griffin_> Information... touch... need.... now...
[17:22] <theblazehen> Port to the s2 sucks so far, but as far as i can tell it will work well on supported harware
[17:23] <theblazehen> UI is nice to use
[17:23] <theblazehen> Sliding between open apps quite nice
[17:23] <zeref_debian> Kilos: yes
[17:24] <griffin_> Can you explain what that dotted circle in the middle does? I just cant find out exactly what its meant for
[17:24] <theblazehen> on the unlock screen?
[17:24] <griffin_> yes
[17:24] <nlsthzn> it will change as info changes ....
[17:24] <theblazehen> think it shows notifications
[17:24] <theblazehen> yea, amount of notifications then
[17:25] <nlsthzn> sometimes it will give an impression  of how many messages you got, sometimes something else
[17:25] <nlsthzn> a visual representation of how many hours you have wasted on the phone etc :p
[17:25] <theblazehen> OK. on the install i got it only showed tweets, network wouldn't work
[17:26] <nlsthzn> tech demo is demo
[17:26] <griffin_> Because I saw the amount of dots and just could not think it was just for messages and notifications
[17:26] <theblazehen> ok
[17:26] <griffin_> So not 3G for testing or do you mean wireless>
[17:27] <theblazehen> no 3g or wifi
[17:27] <griffin_> Well that sort of sucks. But at a glans is it worth waiting for?
[17:28] <theblazehen> Yea :) giving the port a week before I try it againb :)
[17:28] <griffin_> So they are doing weekly updates?
[17:29] <theblazehen> Don't know. Hopeing the person who is working on the s2 fixes it up in a weeks time
[17:30] <griffin_> A yes.. hope... So other than that what you guys up 2?
[17:31] <Kilos> ?
[17:32] <theblazehen> not much here
[17:33] <griffin_> I have firewall updates tonight. So its a 6pack and a few hours of updating...
[17:33] <Kilos> i wonder if that new guy came right with his printer
[17:34] <griffin_> I hope so. Think if he changed to a different driver that printer would print
[17:34] <theblazehen> which new gut?
[17:34] <theblazehen> guy*
[17:34] <griffin_> A Gripen dude that was here earlier
[17:35] <theblazehen> ok
[17:35] <griffin_> Anyone here use smoothwall?
[17:47] <theblazehen> griffin_, appears that ubuntu release is daily - http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-touch-preview/daily-preinstalled/current/quantal-preinstalled-phablet-armhf.zip
[17:58] <magespawn> evening all
[17:58] <griffin_> hi magespawn
[17:59] <magespawn> hey
[18:01] <ironscf> I am still fumbling around so just observing tonight
[18:01] <theblazehen> ironscf, you new?
[18:02]  * magespawn is busy reading 'A Guide to SQL'
[18:02] <ironscf> newbie on irc for sure
[18:02] <magespawn> welcome then ironscf
[18:02] <theblazehen> Welcome :)
[18:03] <theblazehen> hi grantw 
[18:04] <magespawn> Kilos: ping
[18:04] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[18:05] <magespawn> hey Kilos new peeps
[18:05] <Kilos> hi ironscf
[18:05] <Kilos> welcpome to ubuntu-za
[18:06] <magespawn> ironscf completely new to irc?
[18:06] <Kilos> ironscf: what you fumbling with
[18:06] <ironscf> Thx I need to learn how this meeting works. I did see the agenda
[18:07] <magespawn> the meeting is only monthly next one 18 th of march
[18:07] <Kilos> haha magespawn many more installs later kde is working and seeing 3g
[18:07] <Kilos> now im tempted to try unity again
[18:07] <theblazehen> Kilos, good luck
[18:08] <theblazehen> might want to stick with kubuntu base
[18:08] <ironscf> So I diarised the wrong date. Sorry.
[18:08] <Kilos> lol ty theblazehen
[18:08] <magespawn> Kilos: you going to wear out the hard drive or the cd
[18:08] <Kilos> ironscf:  you can visit here all the time not just at meets
[18:08] <magespawn> no problem ironscf, stick around and chat if you want
[18:09] <Kilos> np
[18:09] <Kilos> one of the 6 ya
[18:09] <theblazehen> magespawn, everyday i'm forced to boot off a cd - schools computers won't boot in USB2 mode so i need to use plop boot manager
[18:10] <Kilos> or maybe do what theblazehen suggested and install unity on a working kde
[18:10] <magespawn> theblazehen: no network boot available?
[18:10] <Kilos> aw that sucks theblazehen
[18:10] <theblazehen> Don't have access to DHCP. just a student
[18:11] <magespawn> which school? if i may ask.
[18:11] <theblazehen> http://southdownscollege.co.za
[18:11] <magespawn> are they running everything on windows?
[18:12] <theblazehen> Yea :( except the proxy
[18:12] <theblazehen> and the proxy blocks tar.gz files :/
[18:13] <theblazehen> magespawn, why?
[18:13] <magespawn> just wondering
[18:13] <theblazehen> ok
[18:13] <theblazehen> Don't know of any schools that run linux
[18:13] <magespawn> very hard to get schools off windows
[18:14] <theblazehen> yea. Last year i did a science expo on which linux DE is best, and some of the teachers I tested couldn't even use KDE and LXDE
[18:15] <magespawn> ppl get stuck in what they use
[18:16] <theblazehen> yea. However i often see dtories of conversion on reddit.com/r/linux
[18:16] <theblazehen> stories*
[18:16] <Kilos> never mind them theblazehen you are on the right track
[18:16] <Kilos> just spread the word to all the younguns
[18:16] <magespawn> one of my personal gripes is with teachers who do not want to learn new things
[18:16] <theblazehen> Thats what i'm doing :) bring me a usb and walk out with it loaded with mint
[18:17] <theblazehen> magespawn, I agree
[18:17] <Kilos> lol
[18:17] <magespawn> i use a 16 gb with a full ubuntu install for converting people
[18:17] <theblazehen> I should probably burn some mint DVD's. No offence to ubuntu but i think mint is more similar for the majority of people.
[18:18] <theblazehen> magespawn, nice :)
[18:18] <theblazehen> All my stuff is on a single 4 GB
[18:18] <theblazehen> no compression
[18:18] <magespawn> theblazehen: have you heard of scratch?
[18:18] <Kilos> magespawn: lots of them battle to keep up with what they know anyway
[18:18] <Kilos> the world is advancing in leaps and bounds
[18:18] <theblazehen> magespawn, heard of it but don't know much
[18:19] <theblazehen> Kilos, True, also my school is moving to windows 8 *shudder*
[18:19] <Kilos> b=bit B=byte
[18:19] <Kilos> thats sucks even worse magespawn
[18:19] <magespawn> sort of like a visual programming ide -ish
[18:19] <magespawn> brb
[18:20] <theblazehen> magespawn, OK. might look into it
[18:20] <ironscf> Good hunting all. I must quit.
[18:20] <theblazehen> magespawn, Don't really enjoy the visual languages myself though
[18:21] <magespawn> http://scratch.mit.edu/
[18:22] <theblazehen> looking now, Think i saw it installed on one pc.
[18:22] <Kilos> cheers ironscf call again anytime
[18:22] <Kilos> you didnt even tell us about yourself
[18:23] <theblazehen> looks quite easy
[18:24] <theblazehen> thinking of maybe teaching some of them with this : http://www.3drad.com/
[18:24] <theblazehen> windows only :(
[18:24] <magespawn> Kilos ironscf is a comlete new guy, even to irc
[18:25] <Kilos> ah
[18:26] <Kilos> good thing he found us then. lotsa peeps spend years on ubuntu and dont know about us
[18:26] <theblazehen> I only found it because i was looking for a relatively small chanell
[18:27] <Kilos> lol
[18:27] <Kilos> yeah the main ubuntu is rather hectic
[18:27] <theblazehen> yea
[18:27] <Kilos> and not as helpful to noobs
[18:28] <theblazehen> yep
[18:28] <Kilos> they kept giving me commands to try things but not one said use sudo
[18:28] <magespawn> i remember somemof the channels on Dalnet i used to go to, never less then 200 people
[18:28] <theblazehen> when in doubt add a sudo
[18:29] <Kilos> eeeek
[18:30] <magespawn> don't let the fly or the pro hear that
[18:30] <theblazehen> magespawn, the sudo thing ?
[18:30] <Tonberry> sudo make me a sandwich
[18:30] <theblazehen> Tonberry, Okay :(
[18:30] <magespawn> yup
[18:30] <theblazehen> lol
[18:30] <Kilos> yeah i know it now theblazehen but when starting i didnt even know there was such a thing
[18:30] <magespawn> lol
[18:31] <Kilos> the fly got me from the lists to here
[18:31] <Kilos> yo Tonberry
[18:31] <Squirm> evening
[18:31] <Tonberry> hi
[18:31] <theblazehen> Kilos, funny - when i wanted to get into linux i had no pc so i had to just read books and vnc into a chroot on my phone
[18:31] <Kilos> hi Squirm
[18:33] <Kilos> i had a p3 with no usbs or anything
[18:33] <Kilos> they battled to get me going
[18:33] <Kilos> and all my pcs are other peeps scrap or discards
[18:34] <theblazehen> Kilos, that sucks
[18:34] <Kilos> first p4 took a dive out of a second floor window and was then given to me for spares
[18:34] <theblazehen> currently on a dual core 1.6 GHz netbook
[18:34] <theblazehen> lol
[18:34] <Kilos> but i have learned stacks with the battling
[18:34] <Squirm> I've had my little dual core 2GHz desktop for good on 7 years
[18:34] <theblazehen> nice
[18:35] <theblazehen> Squirm, bet you never had to battle without video drivers
[18:35] <Squirm> though I did upgrade to 2Tb hdd space and claimed a 512mb gfx in place of payment
[18:35] <theblazehen> currently using xf86-video-fbdev
[18:35] <theblazehen> Squirm, payment for what?
[18:36] <Squirm> theblazehen: ever used an ati gfx?
[18:36] <theblazehen> Squirm, nope
[18:36] <theblazehen> ever use PowerVR?
[18:36] <Kilos> theblazehen: you like playing with linux distros hey?
[18:36] <theblazehen> I had to COMPILE the drivers!
[18:36] <Kilos> have a look at tinycorelinux
[18:36] <Squirm> theblazehen: I fixed someones pc, it sat at my house for about a year before I claimed it :/
[18:36] <theblazehen> theblazehen, jsut sticking with arch
[18:36] <Squirm> I was only contacted maybe 1.5 years later asking what happened to it :/
[18:36] <theblazehen> Kilos, That super small one?
[18:37] <theblazehen> Squirm, nice
[18:37] <theblazehen> magespawn, and the drivers only compile to a 3.2 kernel
[18:37] <Squirm> it's been hit by lightning since I've had it though. still works, quite a few things don't render well though
[18:37] <Squirm> in games
[18:37] <Kilos> yeah the one that runs from cd is 12 meg and the installable is 66 meg
[18:37] <theblazehen> that sucks
[18:38] <theblazehen> Kilos, Can't give up my current package manager ...
[18:38] <Kilos> only prob is you need cable internet till you can install mobile broadband
[18:38] <theblazehen> Also running xfce or lxde isn't too bad
[18:38] <magespawn> that can't work too well
[18:38] <theblazehen> magespawn, yea
[18:38] <Kilos> it will fit on a 1 or 2 gig stick
[18:39] <Kilos> i have it working on a 1.2gB drive
[18:39] <theblazehen> magespawn, removed the drivers and is now about 8 FPS on minetest
[18:39] <theblazehen> Kilos, nice - need good package manager though
[18:39] <theblazehen> magespawn, used to do about 40
[18:40] <theblazehen> magespawn, 2d is faster without the drivers
[18:41] <inetpro> uh
[18:41] <Kilos> it has everything
[18:41] <Kilos> just kinda raw. 
[18:41] <Kilos> but very cute
[18:41] <Kilos> lo inetpro
[18:41] <inetpro> good evening
[18:42] <inetpro> Kilos: I'm always here, what's up doc?
[18:42] <Kilos> i need some kde help
[18:42] <theblazehen> hi inetpro 
[18:42] <Kilos> i installed so many times i eventually made it boot without asking for password
[18:42] <Kilos> now how do i get it to ask again
[18:42] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:43] <theblazehen> Kilos, do you need password when you log onto a virtual terminal?
[18:43] <theblazehen> accidentally wiped /etc/shadow once...
[18:43] <theblazehen> perhaps look in the kdm config
[18:43] <inetpro> Kilos: system settings | login screen | convenience
[18:44] <Kilos> lees man
[18:44] <Kilos> hows things your side uncle
[18:44] <Kilos> no when i boot 
[18:44] <Kilos> you know when grub boots and asks for password
[18:44] <Kilos> that one
[18:44] <inetpro> check that "Enable Auto-Login" is off
[18:44] <Kilos> ah
[18:45] <inetpro> off = unticked
[18:45] <Squirm> Kilos: that's a grub setting
[18:45] <Squirm> /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:45] <Squirm> will have to find the flag though
[18:46] <inetpro> Squirm: I guess he means the kde login screen
[18:46] <Squirm> .:Kilos:. you know when grub boots and asks for password
[18:46] <inetpro> grub doesn't ask for password by default
[18:46] <inetpro> I dount that he ever had that enabled
[18:46] <Kilos> \ya that
[18:46] <inetpro> doubt 
[18:47] <Kilos> done will see on reboot ty inetpro
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: ahh, it was ticked?
[18:47] <Kilos> the first time it asks for password thats what i mean
[18:47] <Squirm> :P
[18:47] <Kilos> there by the black/white counting dots
[18:47] <Kilos> ya
[18:47] <inetpro> Kilos: for the record, that has nothing to do with grub
[18:48] <Kilos> so now i have no unity anywhere
[18:48] <Kilos> oh ya its after grub menu
[18:48] <Kilos> forgive my ignorance
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: nice, now keep it that way and stop those regular re-installs
[18:49] <Kilos> you gonna help noobs on unity?
[18:50] <inetpro> Kilos: what noobs?
[18:50] <Kilos> and its not me that wants to install all the time man
[18:50] <inetpro> :-)
[18:50]  * Squirm lolz at Kilos using the word 'noobs'
[18:51] <Kilos> 2 kde installs today upgraded then hung at the counting screen after upgrading
[18:51] <Kilos> then in ctrl+alt+f2 aptitude removed packages with quantal in
[18:51] <Squirm> Kilos: do you have a seperate /home partition?
[18:51] <Kilos> like griffin_was a while back
[18:52] <Kilos> now he is helping other noobs already
[18:52] <Kilos> there was a new noob today
[18:52] <Kilos> yes
[18:52] <Kilos>   /, /boot, /home
[18:53] <Squirm> cool
[18:53] <Squirm> I usually just have / and /home
[18:54] <Squirm> real reason is just so I can format my OS without losing my data
[18:54] <Kilos> ah havent tried it that way yet
[18:54] <Squirm> ag, it'll save a few mb between / and /boot
[18:54] <Kilos> boot is tiny
[18:55] <Kilos> under i meg
[18:55] <theblazehen> Kilos, using grub?
[18:55] <Squirm> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[18:55] <Squirm> /dev/sda1        19G  4,3G   14G  25% /
[18:55] <Squirm> /dev/sdb1       917G  840G   31G  97% /media/disk2
[18:55] <Squirm> /dev/sda5       838G  777G   19G  98% /home
[18:55] <Kilos> i make it 2 gB just in case it grows
[18:55] <theblazehen> Kilos, my initramfs is larger tahn 1 MB
[18:56]  * inetpro uses a separate /data partition in stead of a separate /home
[18:56] <inetpro> in my /home/user I create a soft link to /data/my for all my data
[18:56] <Kilos> i will check and let you know tomorrow
[18:57] <Kilos> im sure boot section only uses about 550 meg
[18:57] <Kilos> i used to have a /storage but it died yesterday
[18:57] <Kilos> 80g drive too small for that too
[18:58] <Squirm> Kilos: in terminal, df -h
[18:58] <Kilos> my home is 32 gig
[18:58] <inetpro> /home/user/my -> /data/my
[18:58] <Kilos> 37 sorry
[18:58] <Squirm> my home is 777Gb, but it's got all my music and movies on. disk2 has my series and a few game ISO's
[18:59] <inetpro> when I re-install I always start with a clean /home folder and just copy across the specific configs and data from a previous version
[18:59] <inetpro> but that's just me
[18:59] <Kilos>   /dev/sdb7       1,9G   95M  1,7G   6% /boot
[18:59] <Kilos> see its tiny
[19:00] <Squirm> .:Squirm:. ag, it'll save a few mb between / and /boot
[19:00] <Kilos> thats a good idea inetpro
[19:00] <Squirm> see, that's 100Mb, when you could have saved 1.6Gb
[19:00] <Squirm> not much, just a little space
[19:00] <Kilos> inetpro: konversation plings even when focussed
[19:01] <Kilos> quassel can take lessons
[19:01] <Kilos> still prefer bloep though
[19:01] <inetpro> ai!
[19:02] <Kilos> i found all the kde sounds in konversation now i wanna try drag/drop bell.ogg into there
[19:03] <Kilos> kde is for peeps that dont need hearing aids
[19:04] <Kilos> yeah Squirm i coulda made  /boot 500 meg
[19:05] <Kilos> or even smaller
[19:05] <magespawn> coming up for a reinstall on the one laptop
[19:06] <Kilos> dunno how to make maaz find 6 % of 2g
[19:09] <Squirm> 6% of 1G is 60mb
[19:09] <Squirm> so 6% of 2G is 120mb
[19:10] <Squirm> and it's there
[19:10] <Squirm> the 95M figure
[19:10] <Squirm> if you look at the top of df -h you will see headings
[19:10] <Squirm> Filesystem      Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[19:15] <Kilos> too small to see that
[19:22] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:22] <Kilos> ty Squirm
[19:24] <Kilos> ok then night all. sleep tight
[19:25] <Squirm> night Kilos
[19:26] <Squirm> I feel like popcorn
[19:27]  * Squirm puts the pot on
[19:27] <magespawn> just felt like a disco here the power went off and on so quickly
[19:28] <magespawn> Squirm: what does popcorn feel like? all warm and crunchy?
[19:30] <Squirm> mmmm
[19:30] <Squirm> magespawn: on Friday, the power went off and on so quickly, my work machine stayed on(no UPS), but all the lab machines reset
[19:30] <Squirm> it did it 3 times within like 30min :(
[19:31] <magespawn> yoh
[19:31] <magespawn> madness
[19:31] <Squirm> the power in this town is horrendous
[19:31] <Squirm> dies 3 times today, longest one was 25min, the other 2 were about 5
[19:32] <griffin_> Squirm: Our power is so bad on a permanent basis that I had to install a 3000w inverter and 6 car batteries + solar panels just to continue working over a weekend
[19:33] <Squirm> wow...
[19:33] <Squirm> our inverter has..
[19:33] <Squirm> 8 car batteries
[19:34] <Squirm> no solar panels though, it's not that bad. though we've lain all the power cables to stick a geni in
[19:34] <magespawn> like Hluhluwe, the power goes off when gravity comes, or the sunshines, or it rains, or the wind blows or doesn't blow
[19:35] <griffin_> megaspawn lol. Power problems suck for so many different reasons
[19:35] <magespawn> from HawkiesZA on twitter http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/canonical-announce-custom-display-server-mir-not-wayland-not-x
[19:36] <magespawn> good for the pc repair business though
[19:36] <griffin_> Not when it's my pc that needs repairing.....
[19:39] <magespawn> indeed
[19:39] <Squirm> phew, enough aromat
[19:40] <Squirm> griffin_: 'tis when you invest in a small UPS
[19:42] <griffin_> Squirm: I've got 4 on line ups'es but they can only handle so much
[19:42] <Squirm> just to kill the surges
[19:50] <magespawn> surge arresting plugs
[20:07] <magespawn> good night all
[20:10] <griffin_> cheerz magespawn
[20:52] <Trixar_za> I must come here earlier