[01:59] <len_1304> shai_halud, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2013/03/03/%23ubuntustudio-devel.html
[02:00] <len_1304> Its all logged
[02:01] <shai_halud> got it bookmarked. thanks
[02:02] <shai_halud> will be in raring in a few minutes
[02:03] <shai_halud> however,,, download is "hung" at 99%
[02:05] <shai_halud> going to try writing it anyway
[02:08] <len_1304> If it is not complete use zsync to correct it.
[02:08] <len_1304> better than redownloading the whole thing.
[02:15] <shai_halud> checksum looks good
[02:15] <shai_halud> off i go
[02:15] <shai_halud> bbs
[02:15] <shai_halud> might boot into live and install frmo there
[02:35] <shai_halud> that didn't go well at all
[02:38] <Len-nb> How so?
[02:38] <shai_halud> Len-nb, : the live session loaded, had no functionality other then the clock ticked. So I attempted install, I went to bathroom while partitioner formatted.. When I got back, the macciniss wallpaper was up, and the busy icon, nothing else. So i opened a tty and ran top,  .. and crap, i forget the error now. but it said something like no such something
[02:39] <shai_halud> i can try again and write it down
[02:39] <Len-nb> The live session should be fully functional
[02:40] <shai_halud> it looked fine, just had no interactin
[02:40] <shai_halud> interaction
[02:41] <shai_halud> if md5 was good should i bother seeing if zsync will make a difference
[02:41] <shai_halud> ?
[02:42] <Len-nb> I am pretty sure, zsync goes by md5, but it does so in smaller chunks
[02:42] <shai_halud> i will try live again and see if keyboard has any interaction
[02:42] <shai_halud> bbs
[02:58] <shai_halud> Len-nb,  ok, same thing this time, but i got error in live when i tried to run top in tty. error was "squashfs error failed to read block c9ebo97/ unable to read fragment cache entry bash: usr/bin... I/O error
[02:59] <shai_halud> tthe desktop flahed in and out when i tried clicking and right click on desktop caused flash every time, like dumping and reloading desktop
[02:59] <Len-nb> Try throwing zsync at your image
[03:00] <shai_halud> k
[03:00] <Len-nb> that says that it tried to access part of the ISO that wasn't there
[03:00] <Len-nb> The partition on the iso is a squashfs format
[03:10] <shai_halud> right
[03:10] <shai_halud> i'm aware of that, and it leads me to believe that unetbootin didn't burn correctly
[03:10] <shai_halud> er write
[03:13] <shai_halud> zsync reading seed file now
[03:13] <shai_halud> had a few hiccups. maybe was incomplete
[03:15] <shai_halud> ok target 100% complete. will try to write image again, from terminal this time
[03:19] <shai_halud> there is a 1.9MB PART file i the dir now. is this what was downloaded/missing?
[03:21] <shai_halud> both old and new are exact same size
[03:22] <shai_halud> rewriting anyway
[03:24] <shai_halud> ok write complete. rebooting
[03:24] <shai_halud> bbs
[04:44] <Len-nb> ok. I'm back
[04:45] <Len-nb> shai_halud, I'm not sure where to go with this.
[04:46] <Len-nb> Mint is a derivative of ubuntu or debian?
[04:47] <Len-nb> is the iso to usb stick the same as we use?
[04:49] <shai_halud> yes
[04:49] <shai_halud> i have installed with it about 15 timesw
[04:49] <shai_halud> several windows, several linux installs
[04:50] <shai_halud> never had issue
[04:50] <shai_halud> i tested disc from unetbootin/live and no errors were reported
[04:51] <Len-nb> strange. As I say I can't test the same iso, as I have 32 bit machines
[04:52] <shai_halud> i don't know if it is simply fs error on the part of unetbootin or the flash drive, but i have no reason, based on the track record, to expect errors from it
[04:52] <Len-nb> Mine is a week old and worked fine, so I will download a new one.
[04:53] <shai_halud> should i log the errors in launchpad?
[04:53] <shai_halud> and my hardware profile?
[04:53] <shai_halud> i'm done fooling with it tonight, but i will get to it tomorrow
[04:54] <Len-nb> You can try that. I will ask one of the others to download and at least make sure the live session runs
[04:54] <Len-nb> (with 64 bit)
[04:54] <shai_halud> one sec and i will give you the link i used
[04:55] <shai_halud> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/raring-dvd-i386.iso
[04:55] <shai_halud> er
[04:55] <shai_halud>  wait
[04:56] <shai_halud> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/dvd/current/raring-dvd-amd64.iso
[04:56] <shai_halud> let me double check and make sure that's the one i used
[04:56] <Len-nb> Thats the right place.
[04:57] <Len-nb> I use the i386 one
[04:57] <shai_halud> yes. that's the one ( i meant to make sure i got amd64)
[04:58] <shai_halud> i just hope i can correct whatever is wrong with wifi in my ubuntu studio 12.10
[04:58] <Len-nb> That sounds odd.
[04:58] <shai_halud> at least i know the wifi card isn't borked. something changed in the configuration though, in U.S.
[04:59] <shai_halud> yes it does 
[04:59] <Len-nb> Can it see your AP
[04:59] <shai_halud> no
[04:59] <shai_halud> none appear
[05:00] <shai_halud> typically that install is online as soon as de loads
[05:00] <Len-nb> is enable wi-fi checked?
[05:00] <shai_halud> i have had no complaints
[05:00] <shai_halud> yes
[05:00] <shai_halud> something to do with the mac address
[05:01] <shai_halud> it's different in Mint
[05:01] <shai_halud> going to make a note of the configuration from here and try to set US the same way
[05:03] <shai_halud> well, i'm off for the night. will make log in launchpad tomorrow
[05:03] <shai_halud> cheers
[06:17] <smartboyhw> zequence_, nice page on ubuntustudio.org + posts
[07:04] <Mick_> hi all
[07:04] <smartboyhw> hello Mick_ 
[07:05] <Mick_> Hi again :)
[07:05] <smartboyhw> LOL
[09:21] <zequence_> smartboyhw: Thanks
[09:22] <zequence_> Mick_: Hi. I prepared a page yesterday, which basically says what we went through yesterday https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/JoinTheTeam
[09:23] <Mick_> oh thanks, yes i figured that I would hang around and get an idea of things
[09:24] <smartboyhw> Mick_, :)
[09:24] <smartboyhw> zequence_, so what are we going to do at UDS?
[09:24] <smartboyhw> UDS-1303 I mean
[09:26] <smartboyhw> zequence_, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/xubuntu-desktop/+spec/contingencies is interesting
[09:29] <zequence_> smartboyhw: Any ideas? I can't think of anything right now
[09:29] <zequence_> At least we should keep track of the rolling release discussion
[09:29] <smartboyhw> zequence_, of course
[09:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, one thing I think of is that I rather suggest having at least one to two physical UDS per LTS cycle
[09:30] <zequence> A physical UDS for an LTS does make sense, yes
[09:32] <Mick_> the dependecy tree in the roadmap is hard to read, bit small
[09:32] <zequence> Mick_: Yes. I've put together an overview in the wiki
[09:33] <zequence> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/PermanentBlueprintOverview
[09:33] <Mick_> oh ok, maybe a note in there then?
[09:34] <zequence> Ah, right. I haven't added the link to the root. will do
[09:34] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:34] <smartboyhw> zequence, I really hope that shai_lalud can come todahy
[09:34] <smartboyhw> s/todahy/today/
[09:34] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, I really hope that shai_lalud can come today"
[09:34]  * smartboyhw needs to go through with him about the QA processes
[09:37] <zequence> smartboyhw: Seems like we'll be seeing more of him
[09:37] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[09:38] <smartboyhw> zequence, now with rolling release comes a problem: How do we fix the upgrades?
[09:39] <smartboyhw> Don't forget our metas....
[09:39] <smartboyhw> Bug 1066401
[09:41] <smartboyhw> One thing too: one of the workitems of scott-work is to ask dick macinnis to lead art crowdsourcing which will be difficult since he would rather want to work on Dream Studio....
[09:43] <smartboyhw> And finally: We can easily clean up "add create-resources to seeds" item....
[09:44] <zequence> smartboyhw: It's better Scott handles his own tasks. I'm expecting to see him today
[09:45] <smartboyhw> zequence, I am too
[09:45] <zequence> We can add create-resources ourselves though
[09:45] <smartboyhw> yep
[09:52] <zequence> I still need to change our seeds and metas, so I will do that at the same time
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[09:52] <smartboyhw> zequence, that = putting create-resources in?
[09:55] <zequence> Yes
[09:55] <zequence> I'm not sure we should have an upgrade add two more metas
[09:56] <zequence> Or, if we do, the user should have a choice
[09:56] <smartboyhw> zequence, but then that will mean we're not giving them the experience + workflows they should get while upgrading
[10:45] <zequence> Len-nb: When modifying seeds, it's enough just to make a comment in bzr. I'd prefer having the seed files clean, and only use comments there for things that need attention
[10:45] <zequence> A comment in the bzr commit, I mean
[10:49] <zequence> Len-nb: Do you recognize this task from blueprints? "[ubuntustudio-dev] Make sure the custom menu has entries for "all" multimedia applications available to Linux"
[10:56] <zequence> Len-nb: I've postponed most of our tasks in our blueprints. We can still do some of those. Just cleaning up our stuff before feature freeze
[10:58] <zequence> I think the only thing I will have time for is prepare new metas (if I do that today). 
[11:13] <smartboyhw> zequence, what new metas?
[11:14] <zequence> smartboyhw: We're putting together all the audio metas into one
[11:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, oh
[11:14] <smartboyhw> zequence, /me wants to try.
[11:15] <zequence> smartboyhw: I need to learn this too. And, I figure you have enough to do already.
[11:15] <smartboyhw> zequence, not much today
[11:16] <smartboyhw> Basically nothing
[11:16] <zequence> Well, I won't save any time by showing you how
[11:16] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[11:16] <zequence> ..not right now at least
[11:17] <smartboyhw> OK
[11:18] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you can find something in the blueprint, even if it's postponed, that you think you can do, do it
[11:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, ok
[11:19] <zequence> There were some ideas about GRUB
[11:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, uh huh
[11:20] <zequence> smartboyhw: The three last items in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntustudio-r-misc
[11:20] <smartboyhw> I will try the 10-second thing first....
[11:51] <smartboyhw> zequence, hmm blender is now starting to being packaged for 2.66
[11:55] <zequence> smartboyhw: packaged, where?
[11:55] <zequence> Debian?
[12:17] <smartboyhw> zequence, yep:)
[12:18] <smartboyhw> zequence, didn't you follow the pkg-multimedia-commits mai list?
[12:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: I wasn't following the progress of blender being packaged, no
[12:19] <smartboyhw> zequence, you should (as a member of the Debian MM)
[12:19] <zequence> smartboyhw: The only person who needs to do that is the one maintaining it
[12:19] <zequence> Or, whoever has some interest in a new version
[12:20] <smartboyhw> zequence, well it is one of the requirements when joining the team I think
[12:20] <zequence> smartboyhw: To follow the progress of blender. no
[12:20] <smartboyhw> zequence, really?
[12:20] <zequence> I subscribe to the mail list. I don't keep track of individual packages, if I have no interest in them
[12:21] <zequence> Only if I have an interest in a certain update of a certain package
[12:21] <zequence> Like, if there is a really cool feature change, or an important bug fix
[12:21] <zequence> Then it might be interesting to sync it too
[12:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, no that's for ALL commit
[12:22] <smartboyhw> s/commit/commits/
[12:22] <kubotu> smartboyhw meant: "zequence, no that's for ALL commits"
[12:22] <smartboyhw> zequence, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/Join
[12:23] <smartboyhw> "have subscribed pkg-multimedia-commits mailing list.'
[12:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: Yes, and it is good to subscribe to the mail list. But, it isn't important to keep track of packages that aren't meaningful to you
[12:24] <smartboyhw> zequence, no I just saw it through the mailing list anyway so I tell it to you:P
[12:24] <zequence> smartboyhw: Let me ask you. Why would you want to become a Debian multimedia member?
[12:25] <smartboyhw> zequence, to help packaging new apps.
[12:25] <smartboyhw> For example, remember the app I told you before (vModSynth)?
[12:25] <zequence> Yes
[12:25] <smartboyhw> I want to package it to Debian (as you suggested) and it would be good for me to join the team
[12:25] <smartboyhw> As one of the MM guy suggested
[12:26] <zequence> Well, that's all good. But, what I'm after is this: The reason why we do anything is to improve free software. While it is fun to do some things, we will only do them, if we are improving something
[12:27] <smartboyhw> We are aren't we!?
[12:28] <zequence> Forget I mentioned anything. It's a very tricky subject anyway
[12:28] <zequence> smartboyhw: If you happen to know a new version of a Debian package fixes something for us, I would be happy to know about it
[12:29] <zequence> Otherwise, I get all that mail too
[12:29] <smartboyhw> zequence, OK
[13:25] <zequence> There was a nice peak of user activity after posting on fb. It's nice being able to see some statistics, even if they don't really tell all that much in the end
[13:25] <zequence> It does help making posts anyway
[13:26] <zequence> People will pass the posts along, which could make a world of difference
[13:27] <smartboyhw> zequence, :)
[14:01] <zequence> I just got a mail from someone wanting to join
[14:01] <zequence> He will probably not have much time, but seems adequate in many areas. I need to post on non-audio mail lists too
[14:01] <zequence> Otherwise, we'll only have audio experts and no one who knows a thing about anything esle
[14:02] <smartboyhw> zequence, good
[14:03]  * smartboyhw isn't an audio expert:P
[14:04] <zequence> smartboyhw: Well, you are instead more interested in all the administrative work
[14:04] <smartboyhw> zequence, !?
[14:04]  * smartboyhw isn't
[14:05] <zequence> What do you call maintaining packages?
[14:05] <zequence> Or, administering source
[14:05] <zequence> It's all administration
[14:05] <smartboyhw> ...
[14:06] <zequence> And audio enthusiast might not know how to create a package, but knows exactly what the application should do
[14:06] <zequence> If you as a packager don't know what you are packaging, you will need someone else to help you giving feedback
[14:08] <zequence> Being a packager, or even a project leader is nothing more than being a secretary
[14:08] <zequence> You are serving the community with your skills in administration
[14:09]  * smartboyhw puts zequence in a community leadership conference alongside Jono Bacon :P
[14:20] <len_1304> zequence, feel free to purge comments from seeds. At least the audio part as you work on it. I will do the desktop when you are finished.
[14:21] <len_1304> I am not sure how that add all known audio/art apps to the menu got there.
[14:21] <len_1304> I think the idea is to make sure if the user installs something from the repo it ends up in the correct submenu.
[14:22] <zequence> len_1304: The problem I'm having is getting what that workitem is about. Is it to add an entry that has all the multimedia apps in it?
[14:22] <zequence> What for?
[14:22] <len_1304> It is a lot of work though as it requires installing _everything_
[14:22] <len_1304> Then checking where the app ends up in the menu
[14:23] <len_1304> I think the better way is to wait for it to get bugged. and then do it.
[14:24] <len_1304> Call it postponed if it is raring and maybe change or remove other wise
[14:24] <zequence> Ok, well. This is why I'd rather use standards, and just add variables in the menu entries, for the most part
[14:24] <len_1304> Like I say we should just wait till a user installs and files a bug report.
[14:25] <len_1304> Then we can make a patch for the source and run it upstream as far as someone is willing to listen
[14:25] <len_1304> A patch for the *.desktop file is trivial
[14:31] <zequence> Ok, was able to redo the ubuntustudio-meta source. All is working but the audio meta, but I haven't changed the seeds yet
[14:31] <zequence> Our metas might get broken for a little while now
[14:31] <zequence> I'll try my best to sort it out withing a couple of days
[14:32]  * smartboyhw really doesn't understand why he is running for membership again...
[15:21] <zequence> len_1304: Actually, what I most want to do is to have less tasks when installing from alternate media
[15:22] <zequence> On some afterthought, people will probably want to at least have a plugins meta
[15:22] <zequence> on top of the audio one
[15:25] <zequence> I'd be willing to create a bunch of metas, but not so they appear as tasks
[16:05] <zequence> Ook. Managed to change the seeds
[16:06] <zequence> Had some problems building the meta source after that, but I seemed to have fixed it. The ISO will hopefully build fine tomorrow
[16:06] <zequence> Now, only thing that remains to be seen is if the metas look the way they should, and if tomorrows ISO has the correct set of tasks for the installation (and if our DVD is including it all)
[16:08] <zequence> len_1304: I've revived an old branch, which only had one revision before (used to create the initial meta I suppose) https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-meta/ubuntustudio-meta
[16:08] <zequence> Using it to update the meta
[16:09] <zequence> len_1304: And, added a build recipe for it, so we can build new versions when we want https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/+archive/ubuntustudio-meta-testing
[16:09] <zequence> ..to that PPA
[16:10] <zequence> problem is, the recipe seems only useful for making it build daily. There's a 7 hour wait now, and therefore, I'm building on my own PPA now just to test the meta
[18:01] <zequence> micahg: I've been messing around with seeds and metas today :)
[18:01] <zequence> micahg: Been testing a new meta source, and it seems to work
[18:02] <zequence> The ISO remains to be seen, but I'm not expecting much trouble there
[18:04] <zequence> micahg: I've put the source here https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev/ubuntustudio-meta/ubuntustudio-meta
[18:06] <zequence> micahg: I was hoping you could upload it. The changelog is a little weird, as it was autogenerated
[18:07] <micahg> zequence: let's wait for the ISO, if it's good, I'll upload the meta
[18:07] <zequence> micahg: Alright
[18:07] <zequence> micahg: though, the metas won't be on it, of course
[18:08] <zequence> But, I guess all the packages will install anyway
[18:08] <zequence> Just not the metas themselves. 
[18:08] <micahg> yeah
[18:08] <zequence> Or, something
[18:21] <zequence> hmm, the build just failed
[18:23] <zequence> The metas are probably fine, but something with the seeds. It built the minimal system, and then - nothing
[18:59] <micahg> oh, hrm, I might need to upload fixes to make the images work again, I keep forgetting what order it needs to happen in
[19:21] <zequence> I didn't add anything new, that there didn't exist metas for already. But, I might have messed up the seeds file anyway
[19:22] <zequence> I'd love to be able to test this locally
[19:25] <zequence> When using germinate, both audio and audio-plugins were not containing much, but that much was expected
[19:25] <zequence> germinate -s ubuntustudio.raring (fills your current dir up with lots of text files)
[20:27] <zequence> Ah, well. Some metas have no seed files, but I wonder if that would break the build then?
[20:28] <zequence> -recording and -generation metas exist for this build, but the seed files they're looking for don't exist
[20:28] <zequence> so, don't know if that could cause any problems
[23:08] <Len-nb> zequence, Re. seeds, audio common is required by video, you may need to add its apps there. (it supplies jack for the video apps that need it for one)
[23:10] <zequence> Len-nb: Ah
[23:10] <zequence> Ok, that could be it
[23:11] <Len-nb> Might be good to check other deps :)
[23:11] <zequence> Len-nb: nope
[23:12] <zequence> I guess you mean ffmpeg-common
[23:12] <Len-nb> There is at least one program that needs jack
[23:13] <zequence> Then I think it's in the dependencies for that particular package
[23:14] <Len-nb> xjadeo. but I don't see the dep as you say.
[23:17] <zequence> It has libjack as its' dependency