[01:10] <cerebrate> how do i open cli emacs with the termanil?  as if by default it chooses to open the gui version o emacs
[03:05] <cerebrate> winetricks from menu shows no gui interface on taskbar
[03:05] <cerebrate> app manager
[03:05] <cerebrate> rather
[03:47] <cerebrate> hi holstein
[03:48] <cerebrate> *terminal
[03:48] <holstein> cerebrate: o/
[03:48]  * cerebrate sniffs the pit o..o
[03:48] <holstein> cerebrate: winetricks is an add-onc AFAIK.. it'll do things to wine, but you dont run "wine tricks"..
[04:10] <redtape-renegade> software center is now working .. only took 3 hours to download the packages !!
[04:12] <holstein> i would expect an internet issue server or client side
[04:21] <redtape-renegade> hi holstein , had a funny dream (it's 4:20am)so decided to see what was bugging me .. seems to have sorted itself out  .. thanx.
[04:25] <cerebrate> still didn't find a way to activate CLI emacs
[04:28] <redtape-renegade> no nor do I mate. Is there an urgent bug list for Lubuntu that I can ponder over to see what needs doing.. while I wither away the wee small hours away of Tues. morn ??
[04:31] <redtape-renegade> holstein: Qu. ^
[04:32] <holstein> redtape-renegade: the normal ubuntu ones... you can search lubuntu specifics
[04:32] <redtape-renegade> searching.. somewhat slowly ..
[04:34] <redtape-renegade> holstein: Also .. http://www.playdeb.net/software/SuperTuxKart  I'd like to get 'getdeb' up and running in my system .. any ideas how ? .. i.e. so I can download from their site ?
[04:36] <holstein> redtape-renegade: you can try downloading and installing the .deb's
[04:37] <holstein> you shouldnt need it
[04:37] <holstein> this is how it used to work http://www.ubuntugeek.com/playdeb-installing-games-in-ubuntu-made-easy.html
[04:38] <holstein> here is the super tux cart ppa https://launchpad.net/~stk/+archive/dev
[04:43] <redtape-renegade> I've forgotten how to install from launchpad :(  .. how's it go again ??
[04:44] <holstein> redtape-renegade: you add the PPA
[04:44] <holstein> !ppa
[04:44] <redtape-renegade> dunno the commands...
[04:46] <holstein> redtape-renegade: when you are loking at the page i linked https://launchpad.net/~stk/+archive/dev you'll see (Read about installing"
[04:46] <holstein> you'll see how it , and i suggest using the sudo add-apt-repository command
[04:48] <holstein> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:stk/dev *use at your own risk understanding how to remove this PPA and knowing what a PPA is, and does*
[04:48] <wxl> how does one change default gui editor?
[04:49] <Unit193> export VISUAL="scite" in yer .bashrc
[04:50] <wxl> it's not alternatives?
[04:51] <Unit193> That too, was thinking the other style of default. :P
[04:54] <wxl> now i have to remember how to use update-alternatives :)
[04:55] <Unit193> update-alternatives --get-selections  will list (most?) them.  And of course you know --help. ;)
[06:30] <cerebrate> how do i ease my computer life into a more CLI and terminal based operating?
[06:32] <wxl> cerebrate: ctrl-alt-t
[06:32] <cerebrate> i need a simpler less intense monitor output for my sensitive eyes i think & thanks
[06:33] <TheLordOfTime> cerebrate, remove the GUI.
[06:34] <TheLordOfTime> but you won't have graphical applications then
[06:34] <alainus> is lubuntu onis installing lubuntu from zero the same as installing it through the Synaptic Package Manager as suggested in http://ubuntuhelp.tumblr.com/post/1301847558/is-there-a-way-i-can-switch-from-my-installed-regular, or just installing the lxde desktop while having a regular ubuntu installation?
[06:35] <alainus> woops sorry for the error there
[06:35] <TheLordOfTime> forgive me but I wouldn't trust random tumblr blugs.
[06:35] <alainus> erase the first "is lubuntu on"
[06:35] <wxl> i thought tumblr was the official site of lubuntu
[06:36] <TheLordOfTime> inswell i don't trust a blog called "ubuntuhelp" on tumblr.
[06:36] <Unit193> Not quite, but you can....
[06:36] <TheLordOfTime> s/inswell/well/
[06:36] <Unit193> !purexde
[06:36] <TheLordOfTime> !purelxde
[06:36] <Unit193> !purelxde
[06:36] <TheLordOfTime> Unit193, i iz ninja
[06:36] <TheLordOfTime> loljk
[06:37] <alainus> so the general recommendation for ubuntu users is to just do a clean install
[06:37] <alainus> ?
[06:38] <wxl> alainus: let's ask a deeper question. why WOULDN'T you do a clean install?
[06:39] <cerebrate> can i modify a script to make the startup start with a cli so i can activate with start* something like a gui?
[06:39] <alainus> wxl personally because i was hoping i could just try it first and then choose whether to install it
[06:39] <hyperair> wxl: why would you?
[06:39] <hyperair> it's so much simpler to just sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[06:39] <hyperair> it's the same base at the end of the day
[06:40] <Unit193> cerebrate: Yep, remove  quiet splash   and replace it with   text  in /etc/default/grub
[06:40] <cerebrate> hyperair i have doubts about that statement
[06:40] <wxl> alainus: why not just try the live cd then?
[06:40] <hyperair> that way you also get to save your partitioning setup, your bootloader setup, your dmcrypt and whatever else setup..
[06:40] <hyperair> cerebrate: why, what else is there to lubuntu that's not in the archive?
[06:40] <wxl> hyperair: you assume you have such a set up
[06:40] <hyperair> wxl: i'm talking about my own laptop here, so there's no assumption.
[06:41] <wxl> uh
[06:41] <wxl> alainus = hyperair ?
[06:41] <hyperair> well you said "you"
[06:41] <alainus> wxl, i guess i could do that yeah. although i like the idea of having the possibility to switch between desktops at login, that way I could use my own applications in lubuntu and see if it's right for me
[06:41] <wxl> hyperair: so did you
[06:41] <hyperair> naturally when you say "you assume you have such a set up", i'd assume that "you" and "you" refer to the same person.
[06:41] <cerebrate> makes sense :D
[06:41] <cerebrate> ty yall
[06:42] <alainus> wxl alainus != hyperair
[06:42] <hyperair> in any case, i'm just telling you that there are merits in not doing a fresh install.
[06:42] <hyperair> this ubuntu installation predates this thinkpad.
[06:42]  * hyperair rsync'd it over from the previous laptop
[06:43] <hyperair> and my rsync'd backup hard disks are bootable via usb.
[06:43] <alainus> TheLordOfTime, would you trust this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/44062/how-do-i-install-lxde-lubuntu
[06:44] <alainus> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install lubuntu-desktop
[06:44] <TheLordOfTime> that i would, but only if you want to install lubuntu stuff alongside the Ubuntu stuff
[06:45] <TheLordOfTime> if you want PURE Lubuntu/LXDE, you may want the link from the factoid.
[06:45] <TheLordOfTime> or just clean install.
[06:45] <alainus> TheLordOfTime, yeah that's my first choice... of course i don't want a minified/incomplete version of lubuntu if that's what you're saying
[06:46] <TheLordOfTime> that's not what i was saying...
[06:46] <TheLordOfTime> but meh
[06:46] <TheLordOfTime> (that askubuntu result will work though)
[06:47] <alainus> ok it's settled then thanks =)
[06:50] <hyperair> alainus: one thing i noticed when i had both GNOME and KDE installed together -- your GNOME startup applications tend to pollute that of the next DE, so if you really want to see how a vanilla install looks like you could try starting up a temporary user account to see how it is.
[06:50] <hyperair> (basically starting from a clean $HOME)
[06:50] <alainus> DE ??
[06:50] <alainus> aah
[06:50] <alainus> desktop environment
[06:52] <alainus> ok thanks for the tip
[07:49] <lxle> anyone available for beta testing?
[07:50] <cerebrate> i guess i could lxle
[07:52] <lxle> working on a respin of lubuntu, pretty close to letting it out
[07:52] <cerebrate> sounds gorgeous
[07:52] <cerebrate> but i dont have a bootstick or a dvd to put it on
[07:52] <cerebrate> maybe vbox?
[07:54] <lxle> one sec, quick update
[07:55] <Unit193> Respins aren't supported in here, though.
[07:55] <lxle> understood, not lookin for support, just a tester
[07:56] <lxle> site i threw up, which is not complete but should do is,,, http://www.lxle.net
[07:56] <lxle> can find download in the about section
[07:56] <Unit193> Those are borderline at best.
[08:00] <lxle> if anyone is able to boot it and stuff, in a vbox or whatever, let me know of any issues
[08:00] <lxle> if you have the time that is lolol
[08:06] <Unit193> lxle: I recommend you read http://blog.freenode.net/2008/04/registering-a-channel-on-freenode/ and create ##lxle
[08:08] <lxle> ok, sorry to break any rules, innocently lookin for testers, won't happen again
[08:14] <Unit193> I understand that, and the need for testers.  Thanks for your understanding.  Statement that it exists would be better suited for #lubuntu-offtopic, but you'd have to be very careful to not advertise (fine line)
[08:15] <cerebrate> i read in an ancient chinese text to not parade around merits but to let people discover them spontaneously :D
[08:17] <lxle> thx, maybe i'll try there then
[11:55] <cerebrate> for now the lxle website redirects irc support to here
[11:55] <cerebrate> soon corrected
[11:55] <cerebrate> thank you
[14:09] <intmain> Good morning, after and apt-get update yesterday, I now have duplicate desktop icons on both of my displays? but deleting the icon from my secondary display deletes it from the primary as well.
[19:11] <tata_> is it possible to switch off  authenticate-authentication ?
[19:12] <wxl> tata_: on any and everything universally? probably not
[19:12] <wxl> tata_: is there something specific you'd rather not provide credentials to?
[19:14] <tata_> when I mount other partition, sda1 or sda2...
[19:15] <wxl> you could automount them
[19:16] <wxl> it appears pmount can do it too
[19:16] <wxl> but i've never tried
[19:16] <wxl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Mount/USB#Using_pmount
[20:24] <bluefox_> hi guys
[20:24] <bluefox_> anyone here?
[20:25] <bluefox_> :/
[20:25] <wxl> !ask
[20:25] <bluefox_> okay, so i have msi vr602 computer have 1gb ram and when i boot lubuntu from usb, it freezes when i want to start it live mode
[20:26] <wxl> is it possible to use a dvd or cd instead?
[20:26] <bluefox_> nope :/ i don't have now
[20:27] <wxl> in that case, have you verified the md5 of the usb against the iso file and both of those against the published values?
[20:27] <bluefox_> it freezes after [4.771988] key type trusted registered
[20:28] <bluefox_> yep i downloaded it from official site and 12.10
[20:28] <wxl> if the copy is one bit off it could cause a total difference
[20:28] <wxl> i didn't ask you if it was official
[20:28] <wxl> i asked if you verified the md5
[20:28] <wxl> !md5
[20:34] <bluefox_> yes i verified it
[20:34] <bluefox_> same
[20:35] <bluefox_> what i will do now?
[20:35] <wxl> bluefox_: you verified the usb itself? you'd need to use dd to do this.
[20:36] <wxl> bluefox_: it's explained here tho it says cd https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#Check_the_CD
[20:37] <bluefox_> don't get angry, i am sorry but i installed it from lubuntu site and installed usb with lili
[20:37] <bluefox_> i verified the md5sum of the .iso file
[20:37] <wxl> not angry at all, just speaking from personal experience
[20:38] <wxl> i once had an iso that matched up but the usb burn didn't
[20:38] <wxl> it may be the whole cause
[20:38] <bluefox_> bu at another pc that lubuntu works
[20:38] <wxl> oh now that's an interesting fact
[20:38] <wxl> you mean that you can put the usb in another pc and it loads to live?
[20:39] <bluefox_> yes with no problem
[20:39] <bluefox_> but at msi vr602
[20:39] <bluefox_> i have that problem
[20:39] <bluefox_> thats an old computer so i decided to install lubuntu but..
[20:39] <wxl> so when you get to the frozen screen, can yo uget to a tty? tryto hit ctl-alt-f2 and see if it gives you a text login
[20:40] <wxl> it's not that old. i have lubuntu running on machines designed for xp :)
[20:40] <bluefox_> i will try
[20:40] <bluefox_> can u w8 a min pls?
[20:40] <wxl> i'm working so i'm not just sitting here twiddling my thumbds :)
[20:43] <wxl> so you don't even get to any graphical screen before the freeze, right?
[20:45] <bluefox_> i tried ctrl alt f2
[20:45] <bluefox_> choices coming, run lubuntu from that usb
[20:46] <bluefox_> then some texts are coming
[20:46] <bluefox_> than that texts freeze
[20:46] <wxl> when the text freeezes, that's when to try ctrl-alt-f2
[20:46] <wxl> not before :)
[20:46] <bluefox_> that freezes always at key type encrypted registered
[20:46] <bluefox_> i tried when that freezed
[20:46] <bluefox_> nothing came
[20:47] <wxl> ok
[20:47] <wxl> bizarre
[20:48] <wxl> i'm stumped
[20:48] <wxl> i would maybe suggest trying 12.04 and/or 13.04 and see if you get the same results
[20:49] <bluefox_> i tried xubuntu, same run from that usb than no text came
[20:49] <bluefox_> after that choice
[20:50] <wxl> did it boot up?
[20:50] <bluefox_> yes
[20:51] <bluefox_> i selected language
[20:51] <wxl> ok so that's good
[20:51] <wxl> but
[20:51] <wxl> xubuntu != lubuntu
[20:51] <bluefox_> i know
[20:51] <bluefox_> i tried that
[20:51] <bluefox_> another os
[20:51] <wxl> so that's not a fair comparison
[20:51] <bluefox_> wil be run
[20:51] <bluefox_> problem is my computer or the os
[20:51] <wxl> but if you try 12.04 or 13.04 and don't have the problem then the problem must lie in 12.10
[20:51] <bluefox_> maybe
[20:51] <wxl> else the problem lies universally in lubuntu
[20:51] <bluefox_> downloading
[20:51] <bluefox_> 12.04
[20:55] <wxl> and make extra sure to check those md5s :)
[20:56] <bluefox_> after 5 min i will give report :D
[20:58] <wxl> ok
[21:03] <bluefox_> i will go crazy
[21:03] <bluefox_> still freezes
[21:04] <bluefox_> >.<
[21:04] <bluefox_> 12.04
[21:05] <bluefox_> dude r u here?
[21:05] <bluefox_> Q_Q
[21:06] <phillw> bluefox_: give me a couple of minutes to read the logs so I'm up to speed on what you are asking.
[21:06] <bluefox_> ok
[21:10] <bluefox_> phillw: let's take it from begining, i have msi vr602 laptop and i want to install lubuntu from usb
[21:10] <phillw> so, does 12.04 boot?
[21:10] <bluefox_> nope
[21:10] <bluefox_> freezed
[21:10] <bluefox_> again
[21:11] <bluefox_> i selected run from that usb
[21:11] <bluefox_> some white big texts came
[21:11] <bluefox_> than that texts stopped to load
[21:11] <bluefox_> i waited for couple mins but
[21:11] <phillw> let me just look at the specs for your laptop.
[21:11] <bluefox_> i have nothing now :/
[21:14] <phillw> bluefox_: have a read of the msi forum at http://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=129872.0 I suspect that may have the solution
[21:15] <phillw> he seemed pretty happy with the solution :D
[21:16] <bluefox_> OV YES :D
[21:16] <wxl> no acpi kind of sucks
[21:16] <bluefox_> thnx man
[21:17] <phillw> wxl: from the msi sute, it appears to be a firmware issue. I trust the manufacturers' sites on these issues. Sure, it is a bug... but whos' ?
[21:18] <phillw> s/sute/site/
[21:18] <wxl> da
[21:18] <wxl> still sucks; i digress
[21:19] <phillw> wxl: that's as good as I could find in 60 seconds :) black-belt at google-fu, I may be... master of all bugs I am not :)
[21:19] <wxl> well you did better than i did
[21:26] <phillw> it was 2009 dated, I cannot guarantee it will still work, but if he has a bootable system at least we have a chance to investigate.
[21:30] <wxl> didn't know there was one
[21:30] <wxl> oops