[04:52] <luc37> will Mir be available on *BSDs? ;)
[05:07] <duflu> luc37: I think that will be a direct function of Mir's success on Linux first. But there's no reason why not... eventually :)
[05:10] <luc37> haha! I think Mir sounds too wonderful to be real
[05:11] <luc37> or everyone hates the x server, i guess ;)
[05:24] <luc37> duflu: well, if it's a simpler solution than wayland, let's hope the best for Mir
[07:10] <tvoss> Good morning :)
[07:12] <llstarks> why go mir instead of iss or opsek?
[07:12] <llstarks> canonical is living the past
[07:13] <llstarks> lololololololol according to slashdot et all
[07:13] <llstarks> *al
[07:43] <zAo^2_> Which license is used for Mir?
[07:44] <RAOF> GPL3 for the core; LGPL3 for the client libraries.
[07:52] <zAo^2_> Thanks RAOF
[08:10] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:10] <AlanBell> why doesn't libgl1-mesa-dri in the ppa contain libgallium.so.0?
[08:15] <tvoss> RAOF, can you help AlanBell?
[08:15] <tjaalton> likely because it's based on an older packaging
[08:15] <tjaalton> we have 9.1 on a staging ppa with the shared libgallium build sorted out, iirc
[08:20] <tjaalton> yup
[08:22] <tjaalton> that's canonical-x/x-staging ;)
[08:22] <tjaalton> without the mir bits
[08:31] <zAo^2_> Can someone explain to me how Canonical make the schedule for Mir?
[08:33] <tvoss> zAo^2_, happy to explain. What are you interested in especially?
[08:34] <zAo^2_> tvoss: well, how can such a small team complete such a huge project within a year?
[08:36] <tvoss> zAo^2_, first, the team is small in terms of numbers right now. That might change in the future. Second, number of developers is not always a good measure for efficiency
[08:37] <zAo^2_> tvoss: True, but still; it's a major task don't you think?
[08:38] <tvoss> zAo^2_, sure, I do fully agree, but we are confident about our timelines
[08:40] <zAo^2_> tvoss: I really hope you make it. X needs to be put to rest. When can we expect the first alpha that can run (any sort of) desktop apps?
[08:44] <tvoss> zAo^2_, thank you :) in between May 2013 and October 2013, we are focusing on the Ubuntu touch use-case right now, aiming for full convergence by April 2014
[09:03] <AlanBell> tjaalton: ok, so it doesn't work without that it seems
[09:09] <AlanBell> hmm, I had it complaining about the lack of libgallium.so.0 earlier, now it just segfaults
[09:53] <Cheery> I read about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirSpec today.
[09:53] <Cheery> and this might interest anyone working with Mir: https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/529486/general-graphics-programming/direct-rendering-access-on-linux/
[09:58] <Cheery> I don't know.. but it feels to me that nvidia pretty much ignores anything that's related to opening a display context through any other way than glx.
[09:59] <Cheery> I just wonder how you're going to do it.
[10:00] <RAOF> Via the magic of EGL :)
[10:01] <RAOF> More seriously, as mentioned on the MirSpec page, we're in discussion with nvidia.
[10:07] <Cheery> if you're smart, I guess you'll try to come up with an API that would work also for wayland and whatever anyone else is doing.
[10:08] <Cheery> anyway I'd hope I'll get some announcement once you get results.
[10:10] <RAOF> If all goes well, yeah.
[10:11] <AlanBell> anyone got it working on Raring?
[10:12] <RAOF> I'm using it right now; xmir-on-mir-on-ati.
[10:12] <AlanBell> ok, the client just segfaults for me
[10:13] <RAOF> But I'm not sure if I'm using the same stuff as has landed in the public PPA :)
[10:13] <AlanBell> I am using mir from trunk
[10:13] <zyga> alf_: hey :)
[10:13] <alf_> zyga: Hi!
[10:13] <AlanBell> mesa from https://launchpad.net/~mir-team/+archive/staging/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=raring
[10:14] <zyga> alf_: good work, to all of the team :)
[10:14] <alf_> zyga: thanks
[10:18] <Cheery> can I try out Mir on my desktop already?
[11:06] <vibhav> Is it possible to have libx11\libxcb wrappers for Mir?
[11:06] <vibhav> We could probably support more software/drivers then.
[11:07] <tjaalton> you have xmir for that
[11:09] <vibhav> tjaalton: ah, thanks
[11:16] <AlanBell> Cheery: if you are on raring you can add the PPA to get the patched mesa packages and download and build the source from trunk
[11:16] <AlanBell> it segfaults for me, but I would be interested in someone else's results from doing this
[11:17] <AlanBell> I am astonished that there are no screenshots or videos to say how wonderful it is
[11:18] <tvoss> AlanBell, working on that :)
[11:25] <vibhav> I should start contributing to this project now
[11:25] <jjardon> Hi, is the code for the GTK+ backend available somewhere?
[11:26] <tvoss> jjardon, nope, not yet
[12:45] <tvoss> AlanBell, ping
[12:50] <AlanBell> hi tvoss
[22:39] <chenxiaolong> Hi Mir developers!
[22:39] <chenxiaolong> Does anyone know when the XMir code will be released? lp:~rocket-scientists/xserver/xmir
[22:45] <RAOF> chenxiaolong: Ah. I haven't pushed that publicly yet? Whoops
[22:47] <RAOF> chenxiaolong: You should be able to get just the source, but not the branch, from the PPA though?
[22:56] <chenxiaolong> RAOF: I'm not seeing the source in the PPA yet
[22:56] <chenxiaolong> You're talking about ppa:mir-team/staging, right?
[23:00] <llstarks> RAOF, are we taking bets on whether mesa-devel accepts your proposal?
[23:05] <RAOF> I don't really expect significant pushback on that.
[23:05] <RAOF> It's self-contained, there are already 3 other platforms.
[23:17] <llstarks> cool
[23:56] <llstarks> RAOF, does mir work with edgers?
[23:57] <RAOF> No; you need some mesa patches.
[23:57] <llstarks> okay i'll downgrade